Is America the Russians' Antichrist?

Richard Stanley

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The following excerpts are from a long article on Putin's Russia and its relationship to The Russian Orthodox Church and its emphasis on apocalyptic End Times. With Putin giving the launch orders for a nuclear war exercise recently.

The article opens focusing on their perceived Satanic cultural degradation of the West, and that ironically Russia's long struggle against Soviet Communism fortunately distracted them from such, and now the Orthodox Church has filled the vacuum once more.

It also remarks on the Russians' disdain for such as the recent American "politically correct" concern over the abusive treatment of women in the workplace, as: "In Moscow, this looks like madness, punishing powerful men for doing what powerful men have always done. Their [Russian -rs] late-night TV uses our [American - rs] sex panic as a punchline, proof that Americans are weak and feminized, held hostage to radical ideology."

Perhaps unwittingly the writer has characterized Putin as an 'actor', much like we have characterized Trump, of whom the two seem awfully chummy, their both having a common nexus to the KGB for about 30 years (about when Trump starts demonstrating ambitions for the Presidency). He mentions the present fondness of apocalyptical minded American evangelicals for such as Putin.

The Russians have even rebuilt a new monastery in Moscow, called the New Jerusalem Monastery, to serve as the spiritual foundation for Third Rome. Their version of the Third Temple?

I have taken to frequently mentioning Flavio Barbiero's book, The Secret Society of Moses, and he gives a great explanation of the 'schism' between the Roman Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church(s). It was all a politically dog and pony show. More 'divide and conquer', by people with a much longer focus than everyone else.

Red highlights below are mine.

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Denouncing the West as godless and decadent is a venerable tradition in Russian Orthodoxy with deep historical roots, and it’s been reborn after Communism with gusto. Patriarch Kirill, the head of the ROC, frequently breathes fire on post-modern Western ways, and a couple weeks back he shared them with John Huntsman, the newly arrived American ambassador in Moscow, in an awkward meet-and-greet that turned into a theology lecture.

Simply put, Kirill explained, America today is doing to itself what the Bolsheviks did to Russia: forcing a godless, secular ideology onto society. “Christian values are being destroyed… The West is abandoning God, but Russia is not abandoning God, like the majority of people in the world. That means the distance between our values is increasing,” he stated bluntly. Kirill’s insistence that America and the West are the outliers here, with Russia and most of the world on the side of traditional religion and values, is an important point that merits pondering.

The traditionalist nature of Putinism, always present, has grown more intense in recent years as the Kremlin has sought to enshrine an official ideology as confrontation with the West has grown. Whatever Vladimir Putin may actually believe, he has played the public role of an Orthodox believer quite effectively. He has cultivated senior ROC clerics, who provide regime-endorsing soundbites as needed, and the church gives Putin legitimacy in the eyes of average Russians, who aren’t especially religious in terms of church-going, yet they see an Orthodox identity as reassuring and plausible in Communism’s wake.

Putin has returned the church’s affection, stating that Russia’s “spiritual shield”—meaning Orthodoxy—is as important to the country’s security as its nuclear shield. In turn, Orthodox leaders portray Putin’s as a God-given figure, divinely sent to bring the country back to faith and great-power status out of the wreckage of atheistic Bolshevism.

Prominent here is Konstantin Malofeev, a hedge-fund billionaire turned militant Orthodox nationalist, who created Tsargrad TV, a 24-hour cable new network, to push those values to the public. Malofeev, like the Blues Brothers, thinks he’s on a mission from God, and his network is basically the Russian Fox News, if FNC focused on theology and mystical nationalism instead of blonde newsreaders.

Malofeev’s affection for Russia’s president and his system is clear: “We believe that Putin is the best and the only leader [for Russia]… He is trying to make Russia the state where Christians can live and can save their souls for eternal life.” While the deeply Eastern nature of Orthodoxy means it has little appeal for Western Christians, there’s no doubt that Kremlin messaging is reaching some, especially American Evangelicals, whom Moscow sees as potential allies abroad.

The notorious gadfly Aleksandr Dugin goes further: “Simply said, the Antichrist will not come before there will not be anymore supporters [of Orthodoxy]… What is the coming of Antichrist? It is secularism. It is modernization. Westernization. Materialism. Scientific development. The concept of progress.” He added that Putin is “exactly” the figure who is resisting the Antichrist on earth.

Putin has returned the church’s affection, stating that Russia’s “spiritual shield”—meaning Orthodoxy—is as important to the country’s security as its nuclear shield. In turn, Orthodox leaders portray Putin’s as a God-given figure, divinely sent to bring the country back to faith and great-power status out of the wreckage of atheistic Bolshevism.

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This month, Putin was present for the grand reopening of the New Jerusalem Monastery outside Moscow, a sprawling 17th century complex that was destroyed by the Nazis in World War II and was rebuilt from the ground up over the past decade at great expense. It did not go unnoticed that the monastery was originally constructed to glorify the Third Rome idea, the centuries-old religious myth that Moscow is the sole successor to Rome and Byzantium, which has long served as a driver of Russian nationalism and imperialism.

Then, last week, Patriarch Kirill warned of coming Armageddon. After a service at Moscow’s Christ the Savior Cathedral, he made a stunning statement: “One must be blind not to see the approach of the terrible moments of history about which the Apostle and Evangelist John the Theologian spoke in his Revelation.” Adding that the world’s end is in the hands of humanity, and something that Russians and all nations must stop, Krill warned of Earth imminently “slipping into the abyss of the end of history.”

These are the comments of a top cleric, not the Ministry of Defense, but it should be noted that the Russian military is now practicing for global thermonuclear war in a manner it hasn’t done since the last Cold War. Last month, in an apparent continuation of September’s Zapad mega-wargame, Russia’s strategic nuclear forces conducted a huge exercise that involved Putin himself. This exercise involved all three “legs” of Russia’s nuclear triad: land-based ballistic missiles, long-range bombers, and submarines with ballistic missiles. In all, several cruise missiles were fired while three ballistic missiles were launched—and Putin personally gave the launch orders. ...

http://observer.com/2017/11/russia-conducts-nuclear-exercises-amid-orthodox-end-times-talk

Yes, the "world's fate is in the hands of humanity". This seems rather odd consider that our loving God has said this is all going to happen come Hell or high water. Maybe Patriarch Kirill meant that this was all a script that we could just stop running, just Dorothy and friends telling the old man behind the curtain to stop what he was doing?
 
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Richard Stanley

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The following video further discusses the relationship of Putin with the Russian Orthodox Church and the massive shift back to extreme conservatism, including the support of a patriarchy that includes the beating of wives and children. The state cannot interfere in your family, unless someone is suspected of being homosexual or not konform in some other way. People are awarded for having 7 children, doing God's will, and providing Mother Russia with more cannon fodder to deploy against the apostate West, and China.

 

Seeker

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Indeed, I see the parallels between "Father" Putin, with the family values of the Third Rome, and Augustus of the First Rome, the Father of His Country, who also tried to restore family values. However, the Imperial bloodline of the Third Rome was inherited by Prince Philip, the father of today's British Royal Family, and from them it has passed to the USA, actually the spear tip of "Rome" today, through the marriage of his grandson Prince Harry to American Meghan Markle, and the birth of an heir, which reminds me that Sir Winston Churchill also had an American mother, but in the male line he was ultimately a Spencer, as Prince Harry's mother, Princess Diana, was. All's well that ends well!
 
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The video is wrong about Russia's falling population for 20 years. It is more like 30 years plus, with the population drop commencing in Gorbachev times and before. As for the Russian Orthodox Church it is at least straightforwardly Christian, not the hypocritical cesspool we call Judaeo-Christian which has raddled the English-speaking world with the modernized Jewish culture of speculation, economic and intellectual, this spearheaded in science by Einstein's speculative manner of thinking and in the arts via the Frankfurt School by their guru, Edmund Husserl, someone even Genuine Joe (not to be confused with Slumpy Joe Biden) had not uncovered.

If after the USA wins a nuclear first exchange with Russia but then finds that it has to send in US troops to try to prevent a Putin-inspired Russian resurgence, they'll have to send the Antifa Judaeo-Christian Evangelical "soldiers" and BLM thugs to crush the rising Ruskies. And when the Ruskies hit back with the support of their own racists calling the invading White Evangelicals "race traitors" and "hypocrites" and the BLM thugs "n****r scum" before killing them as invading vermin unworthy of life, then perhaps the Antifa army of morons might start to understand - or if not, just die off without issue as it well deserves. I.e. the rottenness of the Far Left has already gone far enough!

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
Quite right Seeker, Putin is trying to stabilize the country - but there is no Western way in which this can be done. You are still to understand the Jewish-inspired ideology that underpinned both Yeltsinite and Bolshevik Russia before that, an ideology that manipulated and destroyed the crude Tsarist regime.

To emphasize what I wrote to Richard above, read Yuri Slezkine's book (which I had discovered on this website) since he shows how Russian intellectuals in the 19th century - those opposed to Tsarism - became Jewish-inspired and began to think in a Jewish way - culminating in Bolshevism. After this they gradually came to understand that Jewish values are not Russian ones and that the Russians were being misled. Hence the Jews began fleeing Russia en masse as communism crumbled, the decisive moment being from Stalin's hysteria of the Doctors' Plot in the early 1950s - a situation actually arising from the declaration of Israel which the Communist Russians had stupidly supported, thinking that Israel would be a Communist and not a capitalist state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

Richard Stanley

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Another way of looking at it Claude, is that ultimately everyone is playing their proper roles ultimately taken from the book of memes, the Judaeo-Christian Bible, in order to achieve its final synthesis. Of which the goal is repeated overtly 200 times, but in a manner which is effectively subtext. The witting and unwitting operatives insist they are acting as nationalists, because this is what animates them and takes over their focus.

The tip of the Roman spear, the USA, achieved a mini-version of the final synthesis, by becoming "one Christian nation under the Jewish God". But to some zealous and rebellious perspectives, it is a collection of (nation-)states ... under the Jewish God (with Roman symbology). What is missing under the final synthesis is the complete bowing down to the Jewish god, of which Putin is faithfully fulfilling. However, some yet insist that he is a Jew ... for YWYH's sake!!!

They're just doing their job Claude, so don't get too mad at them, keep it balanced. Divide and Conquer takes a partner, at least behind the curtain.
 

Jerry Russell

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If after the USA wins a nuclear first exchange with Russia but then finds that it has to send in US troops to try to prevent a Putin-inspired Russian resurgence, they'll have to send the Antifa Judaeo-Christian Evangelical "soldiers" and BLM thugs to crush the rising Ruskies.
What bizarre lengths you go to, to imagine a scenario in which your reactionary heroes emerge victorious.

Since when are Evangelicals signing up for Antifa? Why would Marxist BLM fighters join the US capitalist army? And how is anybody going to organize an overseas invasion when all major cities are smoldering ruins, and the few survivors struggle to keep themselves alive by eating cockroaches?
 
In the wake of nuclear war, there will be massive reorganization. Even with WW1 some leading socialists (e.g. Plekhanov) and anarchists (Kropotkin) suddenly came out as Russian chauvinists wanting to destroy Germany.
Since when are Evangelicals signing up for Antifa?
Antifa's controllers will readily sign up with Evangelicals to attack those designated (by the US elites*) as fascists e.g. Putin and those who would support him!
Why would Marxist BLM fighters join the US capitalist army? And how is anybody going to organize an overseas invasion when all major cities are smoldering ruins, and the few survivors struggle to keep themselves alive by eating cockroaches?
Clearly I have presumed some sort of intact USA after the nuclear war. Nationalism will be rampant, and the surviving USA will want to ensure Russia's and China's PERMANENT subjugation - and thus a post-war economic expansionist new deal government will be needed to win over US and other Western minorities by promising them the earth if e.g. disaffected Blacks (not just BLM chumps) join up with the US army to fight the residual Ruskies! I.e. the Judaeo-Christians well know how to manipulate the rabble, simply by downplaying capitalism, which will be done via hyper-nationalism during WW3 when the masses start turning left (just as they did during WW2) - and thus in this post-WW3 scenario there will be full employment for the survivors in the USA, even though this will essentially consist of soldiers, occupation forces and US-based factory workers producing munitions etc. even though these optimistic conditions will only be temporary until the new more degraded situation takes hold with economic and military stabilization and subsequent mass re-creation of a new underclass.

And that's why Malcolm X was assassinated, because he had woken up to it, so if he were alive today, he would caution BLM to curb itself and learn - just as even George Floyd's own brother warned BLM! And this will happen unless you wake up to the regnant disempowering parochial short-termism inherent in the levelling agenda spouted by the Left - the nonsense of democratic socialismo_O - as if the degraded pornography-sozzled masses know best. :eek:

Yours faithfully
Claude

*And by this I don't even include the Daffy Ducktator or Porky Pompeo. If he survives the election and eventually comes to bait Putin, Putin will bite the end off his gun and Daffy tell us something along the lines of "probably didn't get his iron today." He's Daffy for sure, but no conscious warmonger, which is more than I can say for postmature Democrat leaders like Slumpy Joe and Killary.
 
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Richard Stanley

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If the BLM boys and girls are such great provocateurs then why are right-wing extremists (crisis actors) and the police jack-boots needed to create the property destruction and other excesses done in the 'name' of the evil lefties (more generally)? It's not too hard to motivate people to constitutionally protest (in some fashion or other) when the police are gleefully murdering and maiming people on camera. This is more of 'create the problem and provide the (Boss's) solution'.
 

Jerry Russell

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If the BLM boys and girls are such great provocateurs then why are right-wing extremists (crisis actors) and the police jack-boots needed to create the property destruction and other excesses done in the 'name' of the evil lefties (more generally)?
It's impossible to tell how much of the violence coming from the left wing is genuine, and how much is false-flag provocation by governments and corporations and foundations. But many "white allies" are reluctant to criticize violence allegedly coming from the left, because they're frustrated with peaceful protest and the political process. So the action of the provocateurs creates a double bind.

He's Daffy for sure, but no conscious warmonger, which is more than I can say for postmature Democrat leaders like Slumpy Joe and Killary.
I'll agree that if the Democrats win the next election (and Trump honors the results), then Joe and Killary might indeed be able to get BLM and Antifa activists to sign up for some overseas military adventurism.
 
Don't get me wrong! I'm agreeing with what you say, Jerry, in post #11 - as it is very insightful, especially as your opinion on these matters counts more than MY opinion because I am NOT a US citizen, only an external observer and occasional visitor. Of course, this genuine insight of yours does not make me happy overall (hence the :(), nevertheless the other fact is that your genuine insight in the post makes me very happy indeed.:):cool:

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
The US police are clearly heterogenous in composition, not some blind united force overall bent on repression.
If the BLM boys and girls are such great provocateurs then why are right-wing extremists (crisis actors) and the police jack-boots needed to create the property destruction and other excesses done in the 'name' of the evil lefties (more generally)?
Yet rather than zeroing in on offending officers and particular precincts run badly, there was merely screaming about "defunding the police", a stupid notion that I now think even the left are starting to wake up to. So as you say:
It's not too hard to motivate people to constitutionally protest (in some fashion or other) when the police are gleefully murdering and maiming people on camera. This is more of 'create the problem and provide the (Boss's) solution'.
But the police have only a secondary role - as they are there only to uphold the laws of the capitalist system in the USA. A system which will not be overthrown by merely overturning statues and looting stores - which is why the elites channel mass anger into such unproductive pursuits, since it will - and already has - led to mass confusion, frustration and exhaustion. And the masses can also see this from reading Malcolm X, who goes out of his way to show that the police harbour many good and conscientious people, otherwise he would have died 15 years before he did.

Yours faithfully
Claude

PS: I think you also realize that when I had Trump claiming Putin lacked his daily iron, I was referring to "pumping iron" in the form of exercise.:D
 

Richard Stanley

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But the police have only a secondary role - as they are there only to uphold the laws of the capitalist system in the USA. A system which will not be overthrown by merely overturning statues and looting stores - which is why the elites channel mass anger into such unproductive pursuits, since it will - and already has - led to mass confusion, frustration and exhaustion.
This is the kind of city police we have in the USA. I don't know what you're talking about.

 

Richard Stanley

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The following documentary discusses the nature of Putin's return to 'conservative' Christian family values in conjunction with the Orthodox Church. Note the use of the paramilitary 'Forty Forties' thugs in Moscow. Yes, volks this is true Christianity, fascist, brutal, and Caesarian.

And, if American places like Los Angeles are too libertine, we at least have our own Brown Shirts trying their darned best to keep order (see prior post). You step out of line and these good Christians are gonna fuck you up. This is why liberal California has a bigger prison population than some states have people. But I digress.

 
Very right about California - but how does this apply to Russia? Especially after 70 years of Leninism and 10 years of Yeltsinite kowtowing to the West!
The following documentary discusses the nature of Putin's return to 'conservative' Christian family values in conjunction with the Orthodox Church. Note the use of the paramilitary 'Forty Forties' thugs in Moscow. Yes, volks this is true Christianity, fascist, brutal, and Caesarian.

And, if American places like Los Angeles are too libertine, we at least have our own Brown Shirts trying their darned best to keep order (see prior post). You step out of line and these good Christians are gonna fuck you up. This is why liberal California has a bigger prison population than some states have people. But I digress.
I'd rather true Christianity - however Fascist - compared to the likes of the 'Left-fantasist' Judaeo-Christian scum controlling the USA. After all, as I told Jerry, if the USA wins a nuclear war then has to send in troops against a Russia rising under a new Putinesque Fascist regime, the invading US troops can expect to be slaughtered unmercifully by the Russians, who, having survived the first nuclear war, would then turn on the invader with homicidal fury. Why?

Remember the D-Day landings in 1944. Of the five landing groups one was Canadian. At one stage some Canadian troops, all young, about 19, surrendered to a fierce Nazi counter-attack. What to do? Having to retreat otherwise as the front was collapsing, the Nazis couldn't take the prisoners with them - and if they released them they would soon rejoin their fellow North American invaders! Most people don't seem to understand battlefield conditions!*

Things were different in the desert war between Rommel and British troops as the back & forth fighting led to battlefield hospitals falling under one or other army - and I have spoken to at least one Australian who was there as part of an aircraft ground crew. Wounded soldiers from both sides, along with orderlies, continued as before, being supplied by whoever (German or British) was in charge of the hospital at the time. This is a complete contrast to the D-Day invasion of 1944 when Germany was fully committed to fighting Communism and regarded the Anglo-American invasion as a Stab-in-the-Back, just as non-Communist Russia is being stabbed in the back by Anglo-America today! No wonder Stalin meekly closed down the Comintern when Roosevelt asked him to in 1943!

The Canadians were soldiers but didn't seem to understand what this implied (even if they had heard about the desert war in Libya and Egypt, since soldiers are normally indoctrinated to fight first of all). Whereas Hitler shot himself as a losing warrior should when all is lost, the pathetic Canadians merely cried and whinged for their mothers as the Nazis finished them off with bullets - the incident famously denounced as a war crime!!!!! Hence US (Evangelical or Black-&-White Antifa) troops can expect exactly the same treatment when they invade eastern Europe to help Poland** after the nuclear war, when Russia, Belarus and Germany (dependent on Russian oil & gas) attack and destroy Poland in the wake of Poland's stationing some of the very US nuclear weapons used to attack European Russia in the first place!

Yours faithfully
Claude

*Another good example is the Abraham Lincoln Battalion in the Spanish Civil War which suffered over 20% dead and injuries to most of the survivors, demonstrating that real Fascists, not Mussolini's demoralized masses, will fight fiercely for their nation against an invader - but who can blame them when their enemy is the ZOG of UK-USA?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Battalion

**Presuming here, perhaps unkindly, that Poland will remain the reactionary Catholic nation it has been for decades previously - and also showing that I am no crypto-Catholic!
 
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Richard Stanley

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Very right about California - but how does this apply to Russia? Especially after 70 years of Leninism and 10 years of Yeltsinite kowtowing to the West!
I was being sarcastic about Los Angeles' Brown Shirts.
I'd rather true Christianity - however Fascist - compared to the likes of the 'Left-fantasist' Judaeo-Christian scum controlling the USA. After all, as I told Jerry, if the USA wins a nuclear war then has to send in troops against a Russia rising under a new Putinesque Fascist regime, the invading US troops can expect to be slaughtered unmercifully by the Russians, who, having survived the first nuclear war, would then turn on the invader with homicidal fury. Why?
We're not interested in making the lesser-of-two-evils arguments.
This is a complete contrast to the D-Day invasion of 1944 when Germany was fully committed to fighting Communism and regarded the Anglo-American invasion as a Stab-in-the-Back, just as non-Communist Russia is being stabbed in the back by Anglo-America today! No wonder Stalin meekly closed down the Comintern when Roosevelt asked him to in 1943!
Too bad the Germans didn't consider that the Lil Austrian corporal was stabbing them in the back all along.

Once again, you're accepting and making arguments from surface narrative. And, your beloved fascism is just a placeholder for monarchism. Didn't you see what that leader of the the Russian group said, "I'm really a monarchist". That just goes in one ear and out the other of most people, but I take that seriously.

All that you're constantly kvetching about is what is coming out of their Machiavellian playbook. Joseph colludes with Pharaoh to corner the free markets and enslave the people, who happily sold themselves into slavery.

We're trying to get out of sheep systems A, B, and C, while you're constantly trying to select between them, favoring the one that leads back to the figurative pharaoh. You're wanting us to return to a system of rigid konformist behavior for the masses, while your shining ones continue to cavort around like Prince Andrew, who is no exception to the Rule, degenerate shepherds who have their way(s) with their sheep.
 
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Very good reply Richard as you have brought out the underlying questions.
I was being sarcastic about Los Angeles' Brown Shirts.

We're not interested in making the lesser-of-two-evils arguments.
But these are necessary to find the hidden presumptions - particularly those of one's own culture which it is all-too-easy to be blind to.
Too bad the Germans didn't consider that the Lil Austrian corporal was stabbing them in the back all along.
Very true, but this does not excuse damning the Nazis for everything they did or serve up a blanket condemnation of Fascist ideology (which ideology as I have shown, is quite variable, especially as Mussolini was experimenting with a new system).
Once again, you're accepting and making arguments from surface narrative. And, your beloved fascism is just a placeholder for monarchism. Didn't you see what that leader of the the Russian group said, "I'm really a monarchist". That just goes in one ear and out the other of most people, but I take that seriously.
"That leader" represents an extreme, not the average Russian - though if Russia is invaded post-WW3 (presuming no global holocaust) the average Russian, religious or not, will move closer to him, as he will come to express the most suitable form of Fuehrerprinzip for such a situation - a situation not yet the case, but one becoming much harder to avoid all the time.:eek:
All that you're constantly kvetching about is what is coming out of their Machiavellian playbook. Joseph colludes with Pharaoh to corner the free markets and enslave the people, who happily sold themselves into slavery.
But the masses continue to do so, and it is naive to expect everyone or even the majority to wake up - despite their increasing poverty and destitution, which is truly alarming.
We're trying to get out of sheep systems A, B, and C, while you're constantly trying to select between them, favoring the one that leads back to the figurative pharaoh. You're wanting us to return to a system of rigid konformist behavior for the masses, while your shining ones continue to cavort around like Prince Andrew, who is no exception to the Rule, degenerate shepherds who have their way(s) with their sheep.
Indeed we have to get out of sheep systems - but we also have to admit differential human character in that so many people would prefer to be sheep, and who can blame them, given their entirely understandable desire for a peaceful life.

But you mistake me entirely - perhaps as a joke - for implying that I merely want A for B for C etc., since what is needed is the understanding as to the type of elite rule necessary as opposed to no rulers at all! In contrast to the Western idea of elites disguising themselves by preaching egalitarian democracy and paralysing the masses with it through flattery (e.g. BLM virtue signalling). Rulers have to make hard choices with options not satisfactory to all (COVID a minor example of this). Antifa is the Western expression of exactly the opposite agenda - that of denying and decrying true leaders, instead levelling down the masses into inanition and terminal starvation while a Judaeo-Christian elite, hidden, rules from behind the stage.

Free markets are a temporary condition coming to an end, as Rosa Luxemburg predicted due to the lack of a non-capitalist world as the source of profit. However I rather suspect Joe Atwill does not understand this quite yet!o_O

To put the problem even more succinctly - the USA finally pulled out of Vietnam, but only did so because there was no clear ideological reason nor commitment to controlling Vietnam. After all is said and done, Jesus was not born in Vietnam! It is quite different re the Middle East, which will justify WW3 in Evangelical and Antifa eyes, the former more pro-Israel, the latter more anti-Putin. The scales are heavily loaded worldwide: The environment of the whole Earth is in one weighing pan, versus the Protestant Jesus Christ in the other.

And these words are twice as horrific when one realizes the meaning of the poem of that Freemasonic cesspit, Rudyard Kipling in his poem 'If'. (And to think that at age 17 my mother gave a copy to me as an inspiration, without understanding its hidden meaning, despite the fact that she was fiercely decrying the counter-culture when even Joe Atwill was pre-adolescent).

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you ...
(disregard the screamers, like Alfred Milner did when Lord Morley loudly opposed UK entry into WW1)
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
(i.e. be indifferent to humanity and the environment)
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,...
(not hard when the knaves are your willing & stupid employees)
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss
,...
(i.e. press the red button, Ronnie-2)

So it goes on to conclude :

If you can fill the unforgiving minute (well knowing that nuclear explosions take less than a minute from detonation)
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run, (getting down into the bunker before the retaliation)
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it (i.e. what's left of it),
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

Judaeo-Christianity - modernity - will therefore try to hold onto its winnings by any means, however reckless, and in order to hold onto power for evermore they have to be seen as real men! And hence their opponents have to be real men too (e.g. Putin) merely in order to survive - but don't have to share the Western ideology since real men can and do have various cultural backgrounds. What more need I say?:rolleyes:

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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Richard Stanley

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Indeed we have to get out of sheep systems - but we also have to admit differential human character in that so many people would prefer to be sheep, and who can blame them, given their entirely understandable desire for a peaceful life.
I do not deny that people are not equal. The problem is they are Equal.

As Bill Clinton would say, "Well, it all depends on what you mean by 'equal' ... or 'Equal'". Most people that you accuse of "leveling" are really only asking for an equal playing field, which yes, does include a guaranteed baseline of dignity.

You agree that half-black, law professor Obama is much smarter than professional grifter, Donald Trump, no? Or, do you believe that professional grifter, The Donald, is really smarter because he is a better actor at acting Stupid? Or is half-black, law professor Obama smarter because he really was acting too, just in a different way, for the same directors.

Your preferred Catholic fascists of Franco's Spain, all monarchists or crypto-monarchists were fighting to preserve the atrocious conditions of the neo-feudal peasants of the day, for the benefit of the OG Old Guard. Potatoes and such were not the cause of there being more Scots and Irish around the world than in Scotland and Ireland, but rather that the nobles desired this diaspora. Same for the religious wars driving serfs and gentry to the New World.

You love this argument that there is a genetic hierarchy, but this is a double edged sword. It is accepted that intelligence is accompanied by both deceit and the ability to perceive the same. And so, for any system it's problem is to identify and restrain such deceit.

It starts with "Hi, I'm Jesus and I'm here to help you". That morphs to "Hi, I'm from the Crown, and I'm here to help you". Which morphs to "Hi, I'm from the fake democratic republic government, and I'm here to help you". Which morphs to "Hi, I'm from the fake populist Fascist government, and I'm here to help you". Which leads to "Hi, I'm Space Fucking Jesus, and I'm here to genetically cleanse your asses, meet the New Boss". Rinse and repeat.
 

Seeker

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Indeed we have to get out of sheep systems - but we also have to admit differential human character in that so many people would prefer to be sheep, and who can blame them, given their entirely understandable desire for a peaceful life.
It is accepted that intelligence is accompanied by both deceit and the ability to perceive the same.
Interesting observations, I wonder if the life of Tupper Saussy was a personification of both of them? He is initially against the system, but is finally caught and jailed by the system, then released by the system, and writes a book called "Rulers of Evil" (helped by the system?), in which he displays intelligence in his ability to perceive deceit, but does he then use that intelligence in turn to deceive, as near the end of said book he encourages us to listen to "Paul", and obey the authorities while paying our taxes, and to become a "reconciliator" (did he learn that bitter truth through a "Christian" conversion, or through his own life experience?). Did he finally prefer (willingly or unwillingly) to be a sheep ("reconciled" to the present reality?) from now on, to give up fighting the system, and who could blame him, after all that he had been through, to finally accommodate himself to the "Rulers of Evil", in his "entirely understandable desire for a peaceful life"? No criticism or judgment implied, just trying to make an impartial observation of my own, on someone whose book I have read several times, trying to "reconcile" myself to what he is really saying there.
 
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