Inspiration is not cancelled out by inerrancy. A Case for Christianity as a universal Religion

Does the Flavian theory invalidate the Jungian archetype of the Jesus Concept?

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Richard E

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It's going to take me some time to get caught up, but I'll reply here.

As Jerry replied, how can you prove the authorship of the Protocols, regardless of whether or not the intentions detailed within are coming true or not? It's besides the point to us in any case, because we have detailed that the entire construct of Jews versus goys (specifically) is an artifice, part of the false dialectic started with the schism over Aton versus Amun. And the false dialectic has been cynically employed from then till today.

I'm not sure what you're getting at by referring to Exodus 30, but it's rather interesting to me that YHWH's tabernacle and mishkan is an exact replica of a typical pharaoh's military campaign tent, and the detailed description of the ark is a typical pharaoh's ark. Exodus is the next book after Genesis where, Joseph colluded with pharaoh to corner the free markets and enslave the free Egyptians. At least, if you believe the narrative provided in the Good Book.

Now, you are complaining about actions being undertaken to fulfill the Protocols? What, prey [sic] is the difference? Perhaps you should consider that certain 'Hebrew' elites (Joseph) colluding with the Gentile (meaning an Elite) pharaoh is being recapitulated with the Protocols? They're just following the same playbook, so why are you complaining?

John XXIII stated to the elite Jews after WWII that he was their 'Joseph'. The Rothschilds got their start doing the bidding of the Prussian nobility, somewhat like Marx, and then they became the bankers for the Vatican. Yet we have to listen constantly to the partisans that the tail is now wagging the dog, whether it is the Jews or the Jesuits. So your solution is to parse the Bible into what makes you comfortable, instead of seeing the grand deception for what it really is.

But the Elect don't give a damn who you blame as long as they can fulfill the script and the (200) Biblical assertions of global hegemony.

Your humble carpenter from Nazareth is no more than that grain merchant from Stratford who is claimed to have written the works of Shake-speare.
Well, I must say those are very good points to consider historically to have been useful if so. Where is the evidence for the Ark and Temple matter?

Regardless of that - we also have the Instruction of God that says certain actions are evil and not of Him, and that if they do such things He will be avenged of His enemies, who are first those that take His NAME in vain. I really believe God is not mocked, but have to remember the passage about "those that wait upon YHWH will renew their strength."
 

Richard Stanley

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The Ark is rather easy, as you can look at the pictures of King Tut's ark, or go visit it in the Cairo Museum. You can also see temple and tomb wall depictions of other arks that match closely. As for the tabernacle, I have mentioned the tabernacle many times on the forum, and somewhere there is a link to an article about this aspect, along with a photo of a full-sized replica somewhere in Israel today.

BTW, there are 3 mutually exclusive descriptions of the ark in the Bible, which one is true, or does it matter?

One might be dismissive of just these two items but pretty much every aspect of the Exodus story and such as Joseph can indeed be found in Egypt, as well as extending back to the area of Harran, the city of the Sabean star watchers, Harran. So, yes, the Bible is more accurate than many will acknowledge, but the fundamentalists should beware what they acknowledge.

How can this god claim authorship of all evil and yet it "not be of him"?

As for this YHWH, it seems to me that he was originally just a junior member of the Canaanite pantheon, whose heavenly father was El. As tablets discovered in Canaan era Israel, this YHWH had a wife named Asherah and a son. It woulds seem that for a considerable period of time that YHWH based communities were peacefully interspersed with such as Ba'al communities as was the general widespread polytheistic practice.

As I have discussed before, when the Late Bronze Age collapsed, apparently with the collusion of the Egyptian pharaohs and nature (precessional climate change and such), it was decided to create an inverted culture (or you could call if Backwards Millennia) by the imposition of the Mosaic Laws, and so they selected this junior god and promoted him to the level of El (and the Elohim 'gods'). They imposed their priesthood into the 48 cities of Canaan over the existing tribes, which became known collectively as Hebrews. This priesthood was originally the personal prelature of Amenhotep III (father of Akhenaton), known as the Yehud, and then became known as the Levites.

When your god gets upset against his chosen people, who does he call on, the Ghostbusters? No, he call upon his iron rods, the Egyptians or the Assyrians or the Babylonians. This should be telling you something deeper about what is really going on.

Why can't your god come down to Earth ... again ... like he did when he had barbecue with Abraham, but now just tell everybody to just get along, like Rodney King pleaded? Because last time, he sent his two angels to see Lot and Lot chivalrously sent his two daughters out to save the honor and virtue of the angels.

Wait a minute!!! ... "those that wait upon YHWH will renew their strength." Doesn't this imply that something BIG is going to happen, ... eventually? The pope came to visit the USA on September 25, 2015 and stared down into the Bottomless Pit, then it was announced during mass, in Spanish, that the new savior was immanent via Isaiah 9, and then flew back to Popeville while watching a blood red moon from his plane window. Then, unlike those SDA quacks, the new savior was born on September 23, 2017. You can witness this unique event on your computer, for free.
 

Richard E

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The Ark is rather easy, as you can look at the pictures of King Tut's ark, or go visit it in the Cairo Museum. You can also see temple and tomb wall depictions of other arks that match closely. As for the tabernacle, I have mentioned the tabernacle many times on the forum, and somewhere there is a link to an article about this aspect, along with a photo of a full-sized replica somewhere in Israel today.

BTW, there are 3 mutually exclusive descriptions of the ark in the Bible, which one is true, or does it matter?

One might be dismissive of just these two items but pretty much every aspect of the Exodus story and such as Joseph can indeed be found in Egypt, as well as extending back to the area of Harran, the city of the Sabean star watchers, Harran. So, yes, the Bible is more accurate than many will acknowledge, but the fundamentalists should beware what they acknowledge.

How can this god claim authorship of all evil and yet it "not be of him"?

As for this YHWH, it seems to me that he was originally just a junior member of the Canaanite pantheon, whose heavenly father was El. As tablets discovered in Canaan era Israel, this YHWH had a wife named Asherah and a son. It woulds seem that for a considerable period of time that YHWH based communities were peacefully interspersed with such as Ba'al communities as was the general widespread polytheistic practice.

As I have discussed before, when the Late Bronze Age collapsed, apparently with the collusion of the Egyptian pharaohs and nature (precessional climate change and such), it was decided to create an inverted culture (or you could call if Backwards Millennia) by the imposition of the Mosaic Laws, and so they selected this junior god and promoted him to the level of El (and the Elohim 'gods'). They imposed their priesthood into the 48 cities of Canaan over the existing tribes, which became known collectively as Hebrews. This priesthood was originally the personal prelature of Amenhotep III (father of Akhenaton), known as the Yehud, and then became known as the Levites.

When your god gets upset against his chosen people, who does he call on, the Ghostbusters? No, he call upon his iron rods, the Egyptians or the Assyrians or the Babylonians. This should be telling you something deeper about what is really going on.

Why can't your god come down to Earth ... again ... like he did when he had barbecue with Abraham, but now just tell everybody to just get along, like Rodney King pleaded? Because last time, he sent his two angels to see Lot and Lot chivalrously sent his two daughters out to save the honor and virtue of the angels.

Wait a minute!!! ... "those that wait upon YHWH will renew their strength." Doesn't this imply that something BIG is going to happen, ... eventually? The pope came to visit the USA on September 25, 2015 and stared down into the Bottomless Pit, then it was announced during mass, in Spanish, that the new savior was immanent via Isaiah 9, and then flew back to Popeville while watching a blood red moon from his plane window. Then, unlike those SDA quacks, the new savior was born on September 23, 2017. You can witness this unique event on your computer, for free.
There are similarities, and they were in Egypt, but I'm unaware of proofs of lineage as you site - where might I find these?

The main difference is whether or not there is a true God who gives reliable Instruction to live by - or not. What did the Pharoah's put in their "ark"? What did God tell Moses to put in the Ark of the Covenant? The greatest wealth, according to YHWH is the Ten Decrees as given, and that keeping them would be the source of His blessings - which are either valuable - or not.

I find great value in each, but some seem more valuable than others in practical terms of reflection of relationship with God and fellow men being the primary focus of their meaning and application.

How could the same God create good and evil and then say that evil is not of Him?

He created everything and Instructs us how to tell the difference - then we choose to see if what He said is true - or not.
If what He decreed good can be proven not good, or if what He decreed evil, can instead be proven to be good - that would be something to prove.

He created poison oak, but didn't say to use it to roll around in.

I think the whole of it is for our benefit - that we are here to become more than mere dust to dust - and there will be an accounting, because there is a purpose. I believe their purpose is to cause growth to the individual soul, as to the corporate, and thereby reflect all the way through care for the earth and its creatures.

What is your world view on this, if I may ask?
 

Richard E

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A very peculiar statement. The reason anyone believes they were "made up" is because it's a proven fact. The structure as well as extensive portions of text of the Protocols were plagiarized from Maurice Joly's Dialogue in Hell.



This exercise would demonstrate that some orthodox Jewish rabbis have expressed ill will towards non-Jews. So what?? What does that prove about the Protocols of Zion, or anything else?
Because there are similarities were written in a book beforehand doesn't mean they are not real. One can also read things like "1984" and decree the book proves there has never been anyone seeking to take over as "Big Brother". Therefore I have to express that in reply to the first comment.

What it is related to is deliberately elevating themselves and devaluing the rest of humanity - the original KKK.

Are we supposed to join the KKK to make the world a better place?

Related to this is those who control education and publications and news.

Deliberate lies and covering up the truth - are you saying none of that matters? If we explore thought and reason - should that be criminal?
 

Richard Stanley

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There are similarities, and they were in Egypt, but I'm unaware of proofs of lineage as you site - where might I find these?
My From Cleopatra to Christ and From Chrest to Christ threads are discussions of the works of others and my attempt to reconcile differences between them. The former is centrally focused on the efforts of researcher Ralph Ellis who has written several books each on the Old Testament and about the real 'Jesus' (whom the Muslims also know as the prophet Isa, who did not die on a cross).

I also have a thread that, among other things, compares Donald John Trump to Samson. Samson the Danite, of which we know today these non-Hebrews [sic] did the mercenary bidding of the Egyptian pharaohs in establishing the new transitional order, i.e. what was to come after the collapse of the Late Bronze Age order. Samson's program of chaos led to the age of the kings. DJT is doing his chaotic job to destroy the evil republic (modeled upon the Roman one) and deliver humanity back to kingship, just as the Good Book demands. For how can your Jesus be a king of kings if there be no kings?
The main difference is whether or not there is a true God who gives reliable Instruction to live by - or not. What did the Pharoah's put in their "ark"? What did God tell Moses to put in the Ark of the Covenant? The greatest wealth, according to YHWH is the Ten Decrees as given, and that keeping them would be the source of His blessings - which are either valuable - or not.
Why in the world would anybody need to keep some stone tablets inscribed with 10 commandments in an ark? If they are so important why not tattoo them on every child's forearms, five on each side? In an attractive script of course. The purpose of this story is to make a dramatic impression on the audience, with not just the manner in which the stones were engraved, twice, but all the accoutrements of power in the day. There were no more important symbols than those of the pharaohs.

And this god loves his people so much, that when they are drawn back to their habituated (lifetime generational cultural) temptations that they must be summarily slaughtered and their gold confiscated (for whose benefit?).

As described, the ark is much more than a repository for the tablets, but it is some kind of advanced weapon of war and a communication devise, a radio of sorts, to communicate with the god, even though he lives in the tent which they also haul around with them.
He created poison oak, but didn't say to use it to roll around in.
Well, there are different categories of Evil, and I'm not sure that poison oak, or similar, qualifies as any one of them.

I have no problem with the construction in Isaiah 45:7 KJV from a metaphorical understanding, but I do have a problem with the literalist approach, claiming that they are then justified in determining capital and other extreme punishments from possibilities and temptations their god created. Or with this god using his iron rod to mete out his distemper, all of which actually reveals the underlying geopolitics of the MAN.

Poison oak, or poodle dog bushes are not a temptation, at least to me. But there is now Tecnu, which is a great new salve for these outdoorsman matters. I have no affiliation with them BTW.
I think the whole of it is for our benefit - that we are here to become more than mere dust to dust - and there will be an accounting, because there is a purpose. I believe their purpose is to cause growth to the individual soul, as to the corporate, and thereby reflect all the way through care for the earth and its creatures.

What is your world view on this, if I may ask?
I've already told you. We are dealing with the world of mistaking metaphorical stories, mixed with some elements of history, for literal reality. This stories are cobbled together with element of pre-existing pagan myth, which were authored for the exact same reasons. And, the original authors had to deal with two audiences, the (mostly non-working, educated) ones who understood the metaphors and those superstitious ones who either did not, or refused to, understand the metaphors and myths.

Don't you find it ironic that you saw the problem with Protestants believing in the Nicene Creed and the bible handed down to them from the murderer Constantine versus that now you're telling us that we can do the same thing with the Old Testament handed down to us by these people you are disparaging. Disparaging because they are faithfully performing the dialectic role of the Suffering Servant for over 2,000 years. This is how the West was Won, literally. YOUR GOD MADE THEM DO ALL THIS, AND NOOOOW YOU ARE COMPLAINING? Oh, of course, you know how to pick and choose the true wheat from all the chaff of the Old Testament and the New Testament.

My cosmocreator is ineffable and he/she/it would laugh, in some unimaginable way, at this name of YHWH, who lives in a tent. Yes, my job is to constantly improve; and some used to, and still do, call this the real alchemy.

So, from my perspective you have one foot in one room and one in another all while you're trying to close the door.
 

Richard Stanley

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The former is centrally focused on the efforts of researcher Ralph Ellis who has written several books each on the Old Testament
In his books Ellis demonstrates that:

  • David and Solomon are pharaohs of the Tanis era, that Jesse (of the Root of Jesse fame) is also the same.
  • Their mummies are hidden in the Cairo museum.
  • That Tanis is the Biblical Zoan, which you know better today as the real Zion.
  • The geographical range claimed by Solomon, from the Nile to the Euphrates is only known for one pharaoh, Thothmoses III(?).
  • Same for the extraordinary wealth, which evidence has not been revealed in Palestine.
  • That the names of the post-Diluvian patriarchs are also pharaohs, whose respective names match to the lesser known names of pharaohs, in the exact same order. The pre-Diluvian patriarchs match to Mesopotamian kings in the same fashion.
  • Such is why the Flood and earlier biblical myths parallel the Mesopotamian stories, again with cultural inversion as found with Moses's laws. For example, nomadic shepherds morally invert from bad to good.
This list can get quite long, and the same goes for the New Testament. In which case, you might want to question why your god is so adamant that you don't determine what is being communicated in these other systems, by summarily dismissing them. There is a difference between knowing and worshipping. In other words, the same people that bespoke your god into being had this god written into the script, in order to to tell you to ignore the mechanical workings of the cosmos and other matters. The question is why?
 

Richard E

Member
My From Cleopatra to Christ and From Chrest to Christ threads are discussions of the works of others and my attempt to reconcile differences between them. The former is centrally focused on the efforts of researcher Ralph Ellis who has written several books each on the Old Testament and about the real 'Jesus' (whom the Muslims also know as the prophet Isa, who did not die on a cross).

I also have a thread that, among other things, compares Donald John Trump to Samson. Samson the Danite, of which we know today these non-Hebrews [sic] did the mercenary bidding of the Egyptian pharaohs in establishing the new transitional order, i.e. what was to come after the collapse of the Late Bronze Age order. Samson's program of chaos led to the age of the kings. DJT is doing his chaotic job to destroy the evil republic (modeled upon the Roman one) and deliver humanity back to kingship, just as the Good Book demands. For how can your Jesus be a king of kings if there be no kings?

Why in the world would anybody need to keep some stone tablets inscribed with 10 commandments in an ark? If they are so important why not tattoo them on every child's forearms, five on each side? In an attractive script of course. The purpose of this story is to make a dramatic impression on the audience, with not just the manner in which the stones were engraved, twice, but all the accoutrements of power in the day. There were no more important symbols than those of the pharaohs.

And this god loves his people so much, that when they are drawn back to their habituated (lifetime generational cultural) temptations that they must be summarily slaughtered and their gold confiscated (for whose benefit?).

As described, the ark is much more than a repository for the tablets, but it is some kind of advanced weapon of war and a communication devise, a radio of sorts, to communicate with the god, even though he lives in the tent which they also haul around with them.

Well, there are different categories of Evil, and I'm not sure that poison oak, or similar, qualifies as any one of them.

I have no problem with the construction in Isaiah 45:7 KJV from a metaphorical understanding, but I do have a problem with the literalist approach, claiming that they are then justified in determining capital and other extreme punishments from possibilities and temptations their god created. Or with this god using his iron rod to mete out his distemper, all of which actually reveals the underlying geopolitics of the MAN.

Poison oak, or poodle dog bushes are not a temptation, at least to me. But there is now Tecnu, which is a great new salve for these outdoorsman matters. I have no affiliation with them BTW.

I've already told you. We are dealing with the world of mistaking metaphorical stories, mixed with some elements of history, for literal reality. This stories are cobbled together with element of pre-existing pagan myth, which were authored for the exact same reasons. And, the original authors had to deal with two audiences, the (mostly non-working, educated) ones who understood the metaphors and those superstitious ones who either did not, or refused to, understand the metaphors and myths.

Don't you find it ironic that you saw the problem with Protestants believing in the Nicene Creed and the bible handed down to them from the murderer Constantine versus that now you're telling us that we can do the same thing with the Old Testament handed down to us by these people you are disparaging. Disparaging because they are faithfully performing the dialectic role of the Suffering Servant for over 2,000 years. This is how the West was Won, literally. YOUR GOD MADE THEM DO ALL THIS, AND NOOOOW YOU ARE COMPLAINING? Oh, of course, you know how to pick and choose the true wheat from all the chaff of the Old Testament and the New Testament.

My cosmocreator is ineffable and he/she/it would laugh, in some unimaginable way, at this name of YHWH, who lives in a tent. Yes, my job is to constantly improve; and some used to, and still do, call this the real alchemy.

So, from my perspective you have one foot in one room and one in another all while you're trying to close the door.
ROTHL!
Where did the ancients get their ideas of Deity? A common root may be the Zodiac, as it comes to us from such great antiquity as to avoid detection of who gave it to whom - legend is that it came from Enoch, and Enoch has been equated to some to have been the same as one of the ancient gods. The stars, according to Moses, who was reportedly schooled in the wisdom of Egypt, were given as a message - as "signs" are something we read every day when driving or walking around - the same "signs" are in the heavens today as there were in the days of Moses, Abraham, or whoever was here first. What is their message? No one would be able to randomly draw the Zodiac from dots of starts in the night sky - impossible, yet to also name them, group them, yet they are there. And for what?

For those who "lost" the knowledge, they invented their own interpretations.

As signs, they are prophecy - telling a story about mankind - and of great evils to be overcome.

Ancient Laws, such as Hammerrabi (sp?), were promulgated by men and supported by the gods.

The Bible account is that the one true God gave them before all preserved from Egypt to Mount Sinai - which is known and still has a burned top and stone pillars around it and an altar - just as the Exodus account said. Perhaps a million or more were present to hear what was then written on the stone tablets. We can say it was a story, but those who have told us that say there is no evidence - and now we can see the evidence of the Exodus and Mt. Sinai - so I have to sit in my side-chair and chuckle at those who foo-fooed the account as total fiction.

Perhaps Ron Wyatt was first to show the discoveries - but others have now seen the same things. He couldn't have made the evidence up.
I don't believe every claim of Ron, but can't throw out the evidence because it doesn't fit what I wanted to believe in spite of it...

People ignore obvious things all the time.

I have no problem to grasp the immense value of the Ten Commandments as unaltered in the Hebrew account.

After going backwards through them to understand them - they all fit and are perfectly doable from my understanding.

Which makes you not believe they are from "God"?
 

Richard Stanley

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A million or more were not present to not hear what is claimed to have been said on top of a mountain -- that others say is in modern day Saudi Arabia. No doubt you also believe that Jacob had an all night wrestling match with this same cartoon god that you deem to call God, after which Jacob's name was changed to Israel. Sounds a lot like ... Zionism 1.0 to me.

It does not take a god to formulate moral commandments. Believe it or not, but you have the innate capacity to decide to behave one way or the other. Societies also collectively learn what behaviors are more or less optimal, either for the society at large or for the elite's narrow benefit. I do understand the utility of having your god, which acts as a kind of security blanket, that transcends generations and kingdoms. But at the end of the day its all here because people don't like to be responsible, they prefer to be told when to stand and when to poop. So they figure its only right that they should have to be told that its wrong to kill, unless that is, that their leader anointed by their god tells them to kill.

Does your god's commandment say not to kill or not to murder?

Do you think that your god could beat Donald John Trump at wrestling?

If Space Jesus second comes in your lifetime, what do you think your fate will be, given that you have faithlessly rejected so much of the Holy Bible, including the last book that says Space Jesus is second coming (once again)?

Do you see the bottom of this pit Richard? Repent while you still can. Don't worry about me, I'm one of the Elect.

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Richard Stanley

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Until now, thanks to you Richard, I had never thought of the 10 Commandments sans Moses's and Man's Laws. Does this mean that as long as a man is not married that he can have sex with any and all unmarried and widowed women he wants?

Or, is the fact that god mentioned marriage imply that a man should or must be married? Does this imply that there are a number of (10?) Implications as well as the 10 Explications? If so, why didn't god just use a smaller font size on the tablets so that he could fit it all in.

Obviously, one must not covet another man's slaves, but what exactly is your position on the holy institution of slavery? Do you own slaves? If not, why? Wouldn't you and your (prospective?) slaves be better of living in this state that god ordained?

What about serfs? And what, BTW, is your begetage from the noble Elect or from serfdom and/or slavedom? You wont let this color your perspective will you?

If your god is the only god, then why does he say not to have the other gods before him? He is telling you that there are indeed other gods besides him, just not as great as he is. Which of these other gods is your favorite (after god that is :)) god?

Moses and Aaron turned the Nile red, but so did the Egyptian priests. The story is actually funnier than this. And not just because the Nile likely did turn red, but not because of Moses, but because of the Thera volcano. And not because we have been learning that the mechanical positions of planets control the Sun's activity, but matters on Earth like climate, volcanoes and earthquakes. Jupiter, Mars, Neptune, Sol, ...

Do you keep the Sabbath, Richard? On the day of the Sun, or on the day of Saturn?
 

Richard E

Member
Until now, thanks to you Richard, I had never thought of the 10 Commandments sans Moses's and Man's Laws. Does this mean that as long as a man is not married that he can have sex with any and all unmarried and widowed women he wants?

Or, is the fact that god mentioned marriage imply that a man should or must be married? Does this imply that there are a number of (10?) Implications as well as the 10 Explications? If so, why didn't god just use a smaller font size on the tablets so that he could fit it all in.

Obviously, one must not covet another man's slaves, but what exactly is your position on the holy institution of slavery? Do you own slaves? If not, why? Wouldn't you and your (prospective?) slaves be better of living in this state that god ordained?

What about serfs? And what, BTW, is your begetage from the noble Elect or from serfdom and/or slavedom? You wont let this color your perspective will you?

If your god is the only god, then why does he say not to have the other gods before him? He is telling you that there are indeed other gods besides him, just not as great as he is. Which of these other gods is your favorite (after god that is :)) god?

Moses and Aaron turned the Nile red, but so did the Egyptian priests. The story is actually funnier than this. And not just because the Nile likely did turn red, but not because of Moses, but because of the Thera volcano. And not because we have been learning that the mechanical positions of planets control the Sun's activity, but matters on Earth like climate, volcanoes and earthquakes. Jupiter, Mars, Neptune, Sol, ...

Do you keep the Sabbath, Richard? On the day of the Sun, or on the day of Saturn?
Adultery relates to humans, and reflects our relationship with God as well.

What does Leviticus 18 say adultery is?

It isn't masterbation, as some teach.
It isn't mutually concentual relations between unrelated adults.
I'll just let His instruction be sufficient and make my point to not violate any provision on it He gave - by adding to it or taking away from it..
Taking men as slaves is both theft and murder if you look the matter over carefully. Remember, the English from Greek or Latin is often wrong.
"Slavery" in practice for the most part was more akin to endentured servitude for a certain period of time - often to repay debt - and was not given to steal the life or family of men - that is why the debts were cancelled and transactions had to be based on when this was to take place.
i agree about much of the plagues - there are naturally occuring events there in much of it - the timing was due to the work God said He would do.

Yes, there are others that men consider "gods". God admits this - even tells us about them.
He also said there are gods that are nothing but the imaginations of men - and we should be able to tell the difference per His instructions.
Have you ever seen someone channeling demons? angels? spirits? Have you ever seen an angel or elemental? Have you ever seen visions? Have you ever experienced the impossible? Any of these? Just curious.
God was pretty clear about the Sabbath. The commandment said to do no work - and the priests worked on the Sabbath, children were circumcized on the Sabbath - and as Jesus taught, the Sabbath was made for man - not man for the Sabbath - and that it is LAWFUL to do good on the Sabboth - just not regular work -it was given as a day of rest. Do I make a rituals for the Sabbath? No.
 
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Richard E

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I really don't think Moses, or anyone reported to have been present, said: "Gooollllyyyy - imagine that - it's wrong to:
lie about someone
covet others property
steal the property of others
murder someone
or any of the rest either. As was told - they are within humanity to do - they are not against us if we are living justly or being kind or merciful.

So what's the big deal about them? Why do so many Christians preach they are no longer valid because Jesus' blood covers them?

It's obvious to me that most thinking people would consider Christians to be of the looney bin variety.
 

Richard Stanley

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Taking men as slaves is both theft and murder if you look the matter over carefully. Remember, the English from Greek or Latin is often wrong.
"Slavery" in practice for the most part was more akin to endentured servitude for a certain period of time - often to repay debt - and was not given to steal the life or family of men - that is why the debts were cancelled and transactions had to be based on when this was to take place.
Now I know that you'll think that I ambushed you here, but the following is your god's work and timing (check the time that the video was posted). The following interview debunks your common Xian claim. There are two different types of slavery for Hebrews to engage in. There is indentured servitude and chattel slavery, both practiced in the Americas by god fearing volk. They forgot to mention that god said that the descendants of Canaan were to remain in perpetual slavery because of the sins father Ham visited upon his father, the naked drunkard Noah.

Good thing god saved Noah from the asteroid crash into the Indian Ocean because Noah was so virtuous. Can we assume that being a lush is a virtue?


It isn't mutually concentual relations between unrelated adults.
So, how dost thee adjudge the carnal relations between Judah and daughter-in-law Tamar. They art related, no? Tamar was only pursuing her begetting rights under the Levirate marriage contract.

Should we return to the Levirate marriage contract? It would seem to have many positive benefits for women and the resulting children.

Yes, there are others that men consider "gods". God admits this - even tells us about them.
So which is it? There are other gods or not. If there are other gods, then Judaism and Christianity (even unitarian) cannot be monotheistic, but yet polytheistic and perforce pagan.

What about Jacob wrestling god? You ignored that. Wrestling was typically done naked back in those days, but maybe the Hebrews took exception here? Do you think that Jacob was some kind of superman, because I would have trouble wrestling with anyone more than a few minutes, in my prime. That is, if I was seriously wrestling, and I was pretty darn good. Or, do you think that the wrestling was fake, like Donald John Trump and that WWF guy? Or the 'wrestling' was a geopolitical metaphor for something else?

And Lot sending his unwed daughters out to have knowing relations with the Sodomites (to save the angels)? Why couldn't the angels just flap their wings and fly out the windows to save themselves?

Since Lot was now a widower, was having begetting with his daughters acceptable, even if they didn't really think they were the last humans on Earth? BTW, have you ever watched the TV show, The Last Man on Earth? Spoiler alert!! He ended up getting married.

Why do you call this god 'God'? Do you have permission to do so? And if so, where from? Isn't this taking this god's name in vain? Isn't it mocking him, akin to naming a dog 'Dog'?

Have you ever seen someone channeling demons? angels? spirits? Have you ever seen an angel or elemental? Have you ever seen visions? Have you ever experienced the impossible? Any of these? Just curious.
What is a hologram? Some people think that Space Jesus will appear out of the heavens with his righteous army, and that this will be at least partly some holograms ... projected by other human wizards.

Anything that 'happens', is therefore possible, therefore there is nothing that is supernatural. Scientists today claim that there are extra dimensions than the ones our senses can detect. Shamen guide people on visionary tours using hallucinogens, just like mentioned in the Bible about mandrake. The US government (or rogues within) tried mass mind control of certain people protesting profitable war using LSD and similar, an effort which backfired on those in the government.

Everything in existence is capable of being put to either good or bad use. Screwdrivers, bananas, etc..

I have never seen an angel or a demon or a UFO for that matter. Maybe they are afraid of me? But people claim that electrogravitics and such can enable such things that others call UFOs.

Do you remember in The Wizard of Oz, where Dorothy and friends found their way to the veil, and pulled back the veil? This was the veil of the tabernacle, and temple. Your god did not punish the Romans, even till today. And Frances Gump grew up in my town, her parents owned the movie theater.
 

Richard E

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Not sure if this can all be put in one post. The points should be evaluated individually, and the slavery issue is absolutely one of the greatest to consider, as it seems to be contradictory to the Ten Decrees being revisited by God later on in the Prophets words to Israel. I honestly believe the framework of these things must be kept in mind. First is the fact that the "laws' as defined by Moses were to be kept regarding the promised "Land." The Ten Decrees were given irregardless of the Land, as are the commandments about justice and principles of restitution that is just - according to God. That said, the Laws regarding the peoples in the Land were given a choice before they came in to them. Second, the laws regarding the Land were not for their implementation throughout the earth, as the "nations" they were to dispossess were limited to the "Land", not the entire earth - so "Christians" that read "slavery was approved of by God" fail to distinguish what God said about it - as they also fail to identify that Paul was a gross liar, and thereby a false apostle. Second to this is that there was a clause limiting generational issues to, I believe it was four generations - but will defer to what it was, as that is off the top of my memory. Christian Bibles are poorly translated in some places, and absolutely altered in others. We can also observe the Hebrew was altered somewhat - the DSS prove this point. So I also suspect the Jewish current account has been altered. The issue of the Temple and Ezekiel proves this - they did not return to God as Ezekiel told them, and thereby they didn't build the Temple then they re=arranged the chapters to defer to a future time - for what was left undone when God said "once more" He would call them back. In the Hebrew Matthew Jesus declares the kingdom torn from Israel to be given to nation who would give God His due.

In the Way-Back machine, the people in the land were warned first. then there is the matter that Israel never took full possession of the Land, and now they defy God in their stealing the Land and murder, destroy and deceive to get what God promised them? Therefore I have no use to pretend to be Jewish or Zionist. Both defy God and lie about History and the Ten Decrees and call the "prophet" condemned to hell - who is more ignorant? I'd rather do the best I can, but I certainly don't know it all.

They also defy the Instruction and commandments of God in their various banking schemes. God is not mocked - and I'm sure Israel will be burned because that is what Isaiah 42 says will happen at the end.
 

Richard E

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"So, how dost thee adjudge the carnal relations between Judah and daughter-in-law Tamar. They art related, no? Tamar was only pursuing her begetting rights under the Levirate marriage contract.

Should we return to the Levirate marriage contract? It would seem to have many positive benefits for women and the resulting children."

"Levirate"? Looks from historical time-line that this happened pre-Sinai, but it was addressed in the "Levirate" law. We may also ask it God condoned Abraham testifying falsely when telling others that Sarah was his sister and not telling them she was his wife. If Abraham was so "trusting" to "believe God" - why not tell the truth and count on God preserving both himself and his wife?

For this reason I don't view Abraham's deceptions to be blessed of God, and even the ones involved noted the evil of being deceived by Abraham and how wrong it was- and they didn't need the Ten Decrees to know that!

This is a pregnant issue that might give birth to other discussions. I think the account shows Abraham was not so perfect, not of hidden ways of God.
 

Richard E

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Everything in existence is capable of being put to either good or bad use. Screwdrivers, bananas, etc..

I have never seen an angel or a demon or a UFO for that matter. Maybe they are afraid of me? But people claim that electrogravitics and such can enable such things that others call UFOs.

Do you remember in The Wizard of Oz, where Dorothy and friends found their way to the veil, and pulled back the veil? This was the veil of the tabernacle, and temple. Your god did not punish the Romans, even till today. And Frances Gump grew up in my town, her parents owned the movie theater.
Glad to hear you have an open mind to consider others experiences - and willingness to not be blinded by fiction. One of my favorite movies - my two favorite songs are "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" - as an expression of the desire to freedom, beauty, joy and life at its best. What was the title of Louis Armstrongs song? "It's a Wonderful World"?
 

Richard E

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Still enjoying the video.

So last year I was meditating on the Law and God saying He would swiftly judge - yet here we are - all this evil - no one wanting to turn back to consider seriously the Instructions God gave - so I asked that He judge His enemies if He is true - prayed it.

Next few months the modern plague started.

Just sayin'
 

Richard E

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"So which is it? There are other gods or not. If there are other gods, then Judaism and Christianity (even unitarian) cannot be monotheistic, but yet polytheistic and perforce pagan.

What about Jacob wrestling god? You ignored that. Wrestling was typically done naked back in those days, but maybe the Hebrews took exception here? Do you think that Jacob was some kind of superman, because I would have trouble wrestling with anyone more than a few minutes, in my prime. That is, if I was seriously wrestling, and I was pretty darn good. Or, do you think that the wrestling was fake, like Donald John Trump and that WWF guy? Or the 'wrestling' was a geopolitical metaphor for something else?

And Lot sending his unwed daughters out to have knowing relations with the Sodomites (to save the angels)? Why couldn't the angels just flap their wings and fly out the windows to save themselves?

Since Lot was now a widower, was having begetting with his daughters acceptable, even if they didn't really think they were the last humans on Earth? BTW, have you ever watched the TV show, The Last Man on Earth? Spoiler alert!! He ended up getting married.

Why do you call this god 'God'? Do you have permission to do so? And if so, where from? Isn't this taking this god's name in vain? Isn't it mocking him, akin to naming a dog 'Dog'? "

Per the video - I think he erred on a point or two. The OT God is not a God of fire and brimstone. The God of the OT asks that men live upright lives that are just to their fellow man and the earth and its creatures - and that not living justly has just and reasonable consequences. One of the guys tends toward a world view of Marcion - not observing what God said about things.

"God" and "gods". Genesis and Enoch deal with this. There appears to be one God, but many lessor beings - such as the "gods of Egypt", that have powers to use for their beneficieries. Is human sacrifice justified? Can one give 'the fruit of the body for the sin of the soul."? Can one offer human sacrifice for the benefit of those who sacrifice the person? Mayans did. Satanists do. Some occultists do. Is it wrong to abort a child from the mothers womb and then tear the body apart and eat it or use it for anothers benefit??? If God created everything to reproduce after its own kind - is it wrong to genetically engineer? or put pig genes into grains so they are immune to Glyphosate?

We have history to observe, which includes records in scripture...and altered records, and totally biased and untrue history.
Jacob wrestling God? If he did - literally, it tells me that we need wrestle with God in our effort to realize our limitations... not His. Personally I think and angel was playing with him. I used to wrestle too, and I was always getting into trouble for not making "team" points, but just going out and pinning the opponent in seconds.

Lot wanting to send out his daughters was not at the request of the angels. They quickly took care of the problem.

Lot's daughters? Just a story - nothing more - meaning it was not set as an example to follow, but to show problems.

Why do I consider "God" to be "God"? That's a long story and based on personal experience and observing what He said - and what He didn't say.
I found the first teaching of Jesus to be the key, and to live by every word of God, one has to pay very close attention to what those were and the context of each, as well as the long distance overview - which has led me to believe the Teachings of Jesus in the Hebrew Gospel of Matthew must be taken in context to the Ten Decrees being given to men of all nations AND that Israel had failed in her role completely - to this day.

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