Inspiration is not cancelled out by inerrancy. A Case for Christianity as a universal Religion

Does the Flavian theory invalidate the Jungian archetype of the Jesus Concept?

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Richard E

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If we are talking about the same Church of Christ, I thought that they literally followed the New Testament teachings, without addition or subtraction. For example, they have no instrumental music in their churches, because it is not mentioned in the New Testament.
After realizing what Jesus taught, this proved Paul a liar. Church of Christ doctrine is flawed because they place the teaching of Paul on equal par to the Teachings of God and Jesus. Your noting about no instrumental music is a good example to note the difference.

With the Teachings of Jesus, one has to accept God gave good info and Teachings and will not lie or defy His word.
So if God approved of instruments in the Hebrew Scripture, and even the Psalms, such as 150 - they are certainly permitted. God had unquestionably allowed their use in worship. For the Church of Christ to then deny the Teaching and Word of God on the subject - was based on things written by Paul - not any teaching of Jesus. In effect, they spurned the words of God to follow Paul - as they do the rest of their doctrines.

My brothers are still Church of Christ preachers. They are struggling with the new virus crisis because Paul said "not to forsake the assembly of the saints", especially as the see "the day approaching". For them, to miss a single service is to forsake the gospel of Jesus, because Paul said so. They believe Paul was sent by God for us poor Gentiles because the whole Jewish Law thing is just too much for our poor gentile souls to grasp!!! Paul was such an ignoramus that he didn't even know there is no singular "seed" in Hebrew - it's always plural, nor did God say man was "fallen" at Eden.

The whole non-instrumental thing goes back to the Civil War false accusations of the Southerners against the Northerners - over a simple little Melodian reed organ brought in to assist the congregation with singing hymns. Violation of testifying falsely of a fellow, as well as their coveting not having the means to attain their own Melodian or Reed Organ.

They, as the rest of Christianity, are deluded because they don't know God gave the Everlasting Covenant for men of all nations the day it was spoken by Him at Sinai. Those Teachings of God are easy to understand, do, and thereby realize God continues to bless those who do them and honor Him as the one true God.

I never realized these things until taking the Teachings of Jesus as literal and looking for ways to implement them into what I did and how I viewed various things in life. God has blessed me beyond what my imaginations were. Reality is much superior to blind faith and faith without substance.
 

Richard Stanley

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From what I've discovered I don't think Jesus was invented by Rome because what he taught in the Hebrew Matthew has too deep of roots and fact to the Hebrew Scripture and the Teachings of God that Rome and Zionists deny and reject. The context of every teaching of Jesus appears to me to be the Ten Decrees and the spoken words of God in the Hebrew Scripture and being careful with what God said. Proof of this is noted throughout the Sermon on the Mount in my book, as well as the pagelink to the Hebrew gospel of Matthew. The context of the beatitudes are all to the Law and Prophets and Pslams - in the Hebrew. Why would or could Rome foment such a simple and true Jewish Jesus? Especially since we can see Rome allowed or supported alteration of the Jewish Jesus into a paganized Zodiac rendition as taught by Paul - who opposes everything the Jewish Jesus taught?
As you have indicated in your prior paragraphs, you have painfully embarked on a journey out of the cesspool of lies we were all cultured [sic] in. There is only one Truth worth knowing, and that is that Truth will set you free. But, you must first understand what Truth is and what being 'free' really is, not what Americans were led to believe: the "pursuit of happiness" in the most unhappy and vapid land on Earth, aka Rome 5.xx.

As such, all you did was painfully peeled back one layer of the metaphorical onion and now believe that you have found the bedrock of Truth. No, this is only your new personal Truth. You are still operating on the legacy and worldview of your prior biased teachings.

One truth, which may not deny, is that the axis of the Earth wobbles on a ~26,000 year cycle, and this has profound importance to life on Earth. Yet, your Romanized Church, and schooling, and even the Romanized Jesus, at least, has blocked you from knowing.

What was your Jesus doing denying access to that Greek 'pig', where even the dogs eat from the master's scraps? According to the Bible, Saul was sent to destroy the images of animals ... and the practices of the Galileans. Well, I suppose you'll tell me that the Zodiac mosaics on the synagogue floors of Galilee did not have anything to do with Jesus and his Galilean sect. But this doesn't change the fact that the Earth wobbles. So if your Jesus is telling you to ignore this, then what do you want or need from me?
Seems most likely that Jesus did, as Isaiah 42 prophecied, that keeping the Teachings of God as given by God at Sinai and before - is honorable for men of all nations. I take this a step further to note we have inherited lies, and that the Teachings need to be restored to their rightful role.
The most important Truth for you to fully understand is that which comes from Isaiah 45:7 (Specifically the KJV or the Hebrew). This is where Jesus's heavenly father tells us that he created everything, and thus that he is ontologically the author of all that is Good, and all that is Evil. How can this not be so?

You have the Free Will to do good or to do evil. You have the Free Will to determine your Personal Reality in the casino of life - and to live with or suffer the consequences, sooner or later.

Why wouldn't the Romans create Jesus of Nazareth, the tekton? He tells you to pay your Roman taxes, so that Rome can pay its soldiers to support the empire. From some peoples' perspective this is a good thing, and maybe in some ways it is. But what is the empire up to (these days), and what does it mean to "support the empire"? As it stands, the Christian OT has 120 assertions of global domination, and the NT has 80. Irrelevant?

Let's invoke a parable:

An important man with orange hair and skin implores you and your friends to disregard the Deep State (actually Rome 5.xx), but he doesn't tell you that he is really an agent of said Deep State. He tells his rapt followers that a deadly virus is really a hoax meant to bring him down, knowingly allowing his followers (whom he really despises as 'Greek pigs') to engage in unsafe social behaviors. This, while his real friends, who have already been profiting from him by trillions of dollars, sell off their stock equities at highly inflated prices. But, his deluded followers of true believers yet think he is the messiah.

I wonder what your Jesus thought about his fellow Nazarite, Samson, and all the people that Samson killed, including his wife and father-in-law? Why didn't Samson, the Nazarite go and teach these pagans what the right way was, without killing them?
 
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Seeker

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Ha Ha, Thank You, Richard, I was thinking Version 5 of Rome, but thought the two x's were Roman numerals for years ago, i.e. the year 2000 "Millennium", representing the US dominating this century. From memory, a long time ago, I read that Worldwide Church of God founder Herbert W. Armstrong named the 7 head rebirths of Rome with an 8th yet to come, after the original Roman Empire of Augustus , as the "Roman Empires" of Constantine, Justinian, Charlemagne, Otto the Great, Charles V Habsburg, Napoleon (Emperor of the French and King of Italy), and King of Italy (and Emperor of Ethiopia) Victor Emmanuel III (backed by Mussolini, in turn backed by Hitler). The Eighth to come he predicted would be the European Union, but I believe this was written before President George Bush the Father proclaimed the "New World Order", so we can fit the US in as Rome 8 (all of us sheep behind the 8 ball?) if we like. Father Bush supposedly proclaimed this on Sept. 11, 1991, exactly ten years before the Sept. 11, 2001 attack, that took place during the Presidency of George Bush the Son, a Skull and Bonesman like his Dad.
 
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Seeker

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I see your point, and I believe that Father Bush also mentioned "a thousand (millennial?) points of light".
 

Richard Stanley

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Yes, I'm pretty sure this was an allusion to Biblical millennialism. More precessional astrology encrypted in the Bible, as with Ezekiel.
 
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Claude Badley

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Greetings, RIchard E!
We must also learn to distinguish between what is a Jew, who is a faithful Jew, and who is Zionist - each is absolutely distinct from the other.
We need to realize their "rabbi's" are dangerous to listen to - even Jonathan Cahn... lies in the name of God are lies - whether from Jew or Gentile.
Your statements while containing a vital kernel of truth, are wildly optimistic. Zionists can be atheistic Jews, but, in the main, are evangelical Christians by sheer numbers. Most Jews I know consider Zionism to be a key link in holding the faith together - clearly not the case in 1850 after Zionism had been concocted - hence they will object to being categorized in the above way. Neturei Karta members are totally different of course since they oppose Zionist Israel as essentially anti-Jewish.

Yours faithfully
Claude Badley
 

Richard Stanley

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a key link in holding the faith together
A "link in holding the faith together" or holding the Jewish ethnic identity construct together? To wit, Shlomo Sand's The Invention of the Jewish People.

For Richard E, if it appears to those like me that all of the Bible, OT and NT, is just a recapitulation and amalgamation of older pagan elements, then what did this Jesus of Nazareth, a carpenter contribute that was newly revealed? Even the 10 Commandments had their predecessor in Egypt.

What is the significance of these Jews being founded by the stoked lust of Judah for a fake prostitute, his disguised daughter-in-law, Tamar? Poor Tamar was only trying to obtain her rights under the Levirate marriage contract, which Judah would not grant via lawful connubial access to his remaining son.

Why is Judah and his descendants always doing such negative things, like selling his brother into slavery and Judas selling his 'brother' before the crucifiction? Perhaps there is something else to be discerned here?
 

Claude Badley

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Bingo! You got the real implication, Richard.
A "link in holding the faith together" or holding the Jewish ethnic identity construct together? To wit, Shlomo Sand's The Invention of the Jewish People.
The answer of course being whether one means Judaism as a religion or a national-ethnic construct - but the blurring is still more than this of course due to the evangelical Christian Zionist horde!
For Richard E, if it appears to those like me that all of the Bible, OT and NT, is just a recapitulation and amalgamation of older pagan elements, then what did this Jesus of Nazareth, a carpenter contribute that was newly revealed? Even the 10 Commandments had their predecessor in Egypt.
Of course there are older Pagan elements everywhere since moral commandments of some sort are required for social interaction everywhere. As for Jesus, I already revealed in #57 that He was invented by the Romans to control the Jewish moneylenders, that job having being foisted upon them by the very same Romans.
What is the significance of these Jews being founded by the stoked lust of Judah for a fake prostitute, his disguised daughter-in-law, Tamar? Poor Tamar was only trying to obtain her rights under the Levirate marriage contract, which Judah would not grant via lawful connubial access to his remaining son.
The eternal us-&-them mentality since Judaism requires non-Jews as slaves and also requires patronage i.e. the Anglo-American cultural agenda now led by the nose by modern Judaism.
Why is Judah and his descendants always doing such negative things, like selling his brother into slavery and Judas selling his 'brother' before the crucifiction? Perhaps there is something else to be discerned here?
Indeed there is, since Judaism forever preaches and teaches human equality i.e. egalitarianism, coupling this to Greek democracy to create the fantasy of modern democracy. But in practice of course the chosen people only preach egalitarianism to further their own interests by disarming the chumps. And the Saudi leadership have proven willing chumps too.

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

Richard Stanley

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I have not watched the following yet, as I just now saw that it was posted, but Richard E may find this useful - how the Gospels were cribbed from the works of Homer, the Greco-Roman Bible prior to the Christian Bible:

 

Richard E

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You are welcome for my kind comments, as I appreciate and understand what you've described going through. We do share a belief in what Paul's mission was that is perhaps the, or a, common core of how we are otherwise separated from our society.

That said, I'm not sure how one can identify who the real gospel Jesus was exactly from what has been added by others. For instance, how does one address the similarity of the Beatitudes to the teachings of the contemporaneous Cynic's, itinerant philosophers?


Well, one can argue, as I do, that the world is currently falling apart, because under the Futurist eschatology fomented by the Jesuits at their founding, and passed into the Evangelical and Pentacostal polities, that its Omega time is here - after which the Alpha time for the next Global age and revelation is to be delivered from the Heavens, by 'Space' Jesus and and his army of UFO's (and holograms and such). Even I cannot deny that Space Jesus was born on September 23, 2017 exactly and uniquely (for over 2,000 years - I checked) just as Revelation 12 has it.

There should be no surprise about the rabbis, as a consequence of the Jewish War one school of Pharisees was exterminated while the second was converted into what became today's Rabbinic Judaism. Originally they were placed under a Roman appointed ethnarch who answered to the imperial court, much like Josephus Flavius, who claims to be a Hasmonean Maccabee, did. Such is why Rabbi Singer will go silent.

We assert that the Western world was built upon a false dialectic, perhaps as its figurative spine. And that this is consistent with the thesis of the late Tupper Saussy in his Ruler's of Evil, who provides a coherent rendering of actual history of the West, including the colluding role of the Masons and Jesuits in the founding of the USA. And then you can understand why Jesuit based Catholics now have a strangehold of the three branches of the federal government, and the republic is about to collapse as the Roman one did with Julius Caesar, the first typological JC, as well as true and actual Pontifex Maximus of the Roman Church.

As you can see by our other discussion, we believe that 'Jesus' was both a grandson and greatgrandson of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra VII, whom the Talmud cryptically (as a locust, kamza, and son of a locust) accords as fomenting the war with the Romans, over the contrived issues of taxation, and nationalism versus globalism of the day.

And so, one must ask themselves, did the Virgo birth in Revelation 12 come to pass by divine agency, or via that its author was privy to such as the so-called Antikythera Mechanism?

https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/the-revelation-of-the-antikythera-mechanism.2610/
Regarding the Zodiac and the gospel - have you read books by Siess from the 1800's? His was a critically flawed analysis, but for the time was a decent overview of the Zodiac being "signs" for the history of man as declared by God from the beginning. "Virgo" was the origin, the opening "chapter" of the message - originally.

This is my first discusion on the gospel in perspective to the Jungian viewpoint - what caught my eye was the Flavian angle, which was what I was searching for on the internet to find this site - and evidence was that the Western Christian world is deceived by the Flavian input and support. What was said about why the Rabbi goes silent is very helpful to understand the hows and whys things are the way they are.

From my review, all seems to fit the principle that man was created in the image of God, and therefore the given "owners manual" of the Ten Decrees and the recorded "Spoken" word of God are within our human "nature" because we need to be taught - instructed - about how to live a just and reasonable life - from the individual, the family, the corporate, the national and the world-view model. Humans need to be taught, perhaps more than any other creature on earth, and what we've been told to believe by the "Church" denies the Instructions given by the Builder and foists a owners manual that is crazy, and perhaps at least laughable!

God did not say man is " fallen " and incapable of doing good - men have been languishing in bad instructions and the resultant disintegration and friction caused by those who foist lies in the NAME of God. Note the Hebrew words to Cain that repenting and doing what is right is the pathway to both forgiveness and life. Why do Rome and the Protestants all give us perverted/altered Scriptures? Better yet, why do Jews reject the same Ten Decrees to follow fake teachers and put their fake teachings on equal par to the words of God? (Tanach and Talmud)

I think Jesus' focus was teaching by word and example that God wants mankind to repent of evil and obey the simple and just Instructions from God.

What do you make of the fact that God and the Prophets said God forgives without the shedding of blood, but that repenting to do justice and mercy are required, and that those who do this can trust that God will forgive and bless them as told in Isaiah 1 and Ezekiel 18?

What manner of man will forgive his enemy only if his son is sacrificed so he sprinkle his dead son's blood upon his enemies that are still his enemies? That sounds totally crazy to me that God would have ever said such a thing or planned such a thing as the "gospel".
 
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Richard E

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As you have indicated in your prior paragraphs, you have painfully embarked on a journey out of the cesspool of lies we were all cultured [sic] in. There is only one Truth worth knowing, and that is that Truth will set you free. But, you must first understand what Truth is and what being 'free' really is, not what Americans were led to believe: the "pursuit of happiness" in the most unhappy and vapid land on Earth, aka Rome 5.xx.

As such, all you did was painfully peeled back one layer of the metaphorical onion and now believe that you have found the bedrock of Truth. No, this is only your new personal Truth. You are still operating on the legacy and worldview of your prior biased teachings.

One truth, which may not deny, is that the axis of the Earth wobbles on a ~26,000 year cycle, and this has profound importance to life on Earth. Yet, your Romanized Church, and schooling, and even the Romanized Jesus, at least, has blocked you from knowing.

What was your Jesus doing denying access to that Greek 'pig', where even the dogs eat from the master's scraps? According to the Bible, Saul was sent to destroy the images of animals ... and the practices of the Galileans. Well, I suppose you'll tell me that the Zodiac mosaics on the synagogue floors of Galilee did not have anything to do with Jesus and his Galilean sect. But this doesn't change the fact that the Earth wobbles. So if your Jesus is telling you to ignore this, then what do you want or need from me?

The most important Truth for you to fully understand is that which comes from Isaiah 45:7 (Specifically the KJV or the Hebrew). This is where Jesus's heavenly father tells us that he created everything, and thus that he is ontologically the author of all that is Good, and all that is Evil. How can this not be so?

You have the Free Will to do good or to do evil. You have the Free Will to determine your Personal Reality in the casino of life - and to live with or suffer the consequences, sooner or later.

Why wouldn't the Romans create Jesus of Nazareth, the tekton? He tells you to pay your Roman taxes, so that Rome can pay its soldiers to support the empire. From some peoples' perspective this is a good thing, and maybe in some ways it is. But what is the empire up to (these days), and what does it mean to "support the empire"? As it stands, the Christian OT has 120 assertions of global domination, and the NT has 80. Irrelevant?

Let's invoke a parable:

An important man with orange hair and skin implores you and your friends to disregard the Deep State (actually Rome 5.xx), but he doesn't tell you that he is really an agent of said Deep State. He tells his rapt followers that a deadly virus is really a hoax meant to bring him down, knowingly allowing his followers (whom he really despises as 'Greek pigs') to engage in unsafe social behaviors. This, while his real friends, who have already been profiting from him by trillions of dollars, sell off their stock equities at highly inflated prices. But, his deluded followers of true believers yet think he is the messiah.

I wonder what your Jesus thought about his fellow Nazarite, Samson, and all the people that Samson killed, including his wife and father-in-law? Why didn't Samson, the Nazarite go and teach these pagans what the right way was, without killing them?
Good points, but it was Paul who taught against living a just and reasonable life - as Taught by God - to then pretend a new pathway to "life" that denies the reality of the purpose of our lives. Indeed, we must choose life to live, which is what God always said. I think modern Jewish thinking is extremely corrupted from how God said to live - and non-zionist Jews have been telling this story for about 200 years as the zionist Jews have done all manner of evils to their own before setting out to conquer the rest of the earth by the same game-plan used on the faithful Jews. Have you read up on "Jews against Zionism"? It was Paul who taught obedience to Rome, and that God had put ruling authority upon Secular Governments since the Teachings of God were "passed away".

Anyone who reads and thinks upon the Ten Decrees can easily see their validity to be just what YHWH was recorded by Moses to have said about them. If they are: 1. Not hard to understand. 2. Not beyond our ability to do. 3. Able to make us wise. 4. the promise of God to those who do them is that they will live and reside in His kindness and blessing. 5. By doing them men might be just - live justly, and reasonable - we would see they are very reasonable to apply to ourselves, society and large, and realize they were given by God because they are so just and reasonable and true. The Teachings are all observable - not some "spiritual mystery" that involves any "blind faith" or "grace" that defies their being true and good.

So yes, God did create good and evil, as well as darkness and light, as well as solids and plazma.

I'm not so sure we "forgot", but that our life has the purpose that we have the free agency to choose life - or to choose death.
The NAME of God is a verb; His NAMES declare His actions. I think he sees and knows us by what we do - not the "name" of our Church or any such organization. We define who we are - but lies in the Names of God and Jesus prevent us from seeing the truth - unless we go back and observe the Instructions from God about who He said to hear - and who He said to ignore.

Do tell me if you think this is in error!
 

Richard E

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I have not watched the following yet, as I just now saw that it was posted, but Richard E may find this useful - how the Gospels were cribbed from the works of Homer, the Greco-Roman Bible prior to the Christian Bible:

I'm watching it now and have listened to some of their other videos.
The Zodiac existed prior to all known civilizations to date - no one can trace who first made it up or received it. Everyone had it in one form or another - and it was altered over time - only from antiquity can we know it started with Virgo. Men came up with their interpretations, and these "beliefs" were largely the source for pagan deities. Pagan gods were not concerned so much with morality and were largely playing with men as a child does with toys.

This is wildly different from the Bible and original Teachings of Jesus. The "gods" supported the rules established by men - such as the code of Hammarabi, whereas in the Hebrew Bible we have an account that God appeared to a very large group of people at the same time to reveal what He said is the Code of life for those who "serve Him". Was it made up? I think there are ample reasons to take it seriously: reason, records, as well as the physical evidence of Mount Sinai being in Saudi Arabia. But that is not the same thing as "evidence" for "Christianity".

In the ancient records of Matthew, Jesus came to "renew" the Covenant - not to give a "New Testament". Who changed that?
In Matthew Jesus made no claim to be a demi-god or God manifest in the flesh, or to be the once for all blood sacrifice for sin, or that his righteousness would be imputed to anyone else but himself!!!

I think Jesus is the most misunderstood and falsely testified about man in the history of the earth!
 

Richard E

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I think Mr. McDonald has yet to realize the Hebrew Matthew is the "real thing" and the others are nonsense. The woman caught in adultery is spurious - added later.

Yes, Jesus taught about compassion and justice - which is also in line with the Teachings and Decree of God from the beginning as He was with the Decree from Sinai. Paul and his disciples knew nothing of God.
 

Richard E

Member
Greetings, RIchard E!Your statements while containing a vital kernel of truth, are wildly optimistic. Zionists can be atheistic Jews, but, in the main, are evangelical Christians by sheer numbers. Most Jews I know consider Zionism to be a key link in holding the faith together - clearly not the case in 1850 after Zionism had been concocted - hence they will object to being categorized in the above way. Neturei Karta members are totally different of course since they oppose Zionist Israel as essentially anti-Jewish.

Yours faithfully
Claude Badley
Thank God someone else sees this! Maybe I'm wildly optimistic - but I have a drive to dig through the refuse to find the Rock.

YHWH is certainly not "King" in the State of Israel today - they treat those who do their best to remain true to God as their mortal enemies. That's no wonder given that Zionism was birthed by athiests, not God fearing Jews that were outspoken against Zionism. I got two or three of the books from Neturei Karta - very good reads.

What I've found in my Hebrew to English editions by Jews is they are told the Torah was for the Jews only - which defies what God said in their own published translations to English - so they don't really look closely at their own Scripture and continue to this day to do as they did in the days of Jesus - preventing those of other nations from knowing God. THis is why I suspect that they have undue influence on those that publish Christian "Scripture"? Was Gutenberg Jewish?
 

Richard Stanley

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Richard, it is clear that we seem to agree on the nature of Paul and Rabbinic Judaism in relation to the imperial Romans and the Roman Church built atop it.

In the ancient records of Matthew, Jesus came to "renew" the Covenant - not to give a "New Testament". Who changed that?
In Matthew Jesus made no claim to be a demi-god or God manifest in the flesh, or to be the once for all blood sacrifice for sin, or that his righteousness would be imputed to anyone else but himself!!!

I think Jesus is the most misunderstood and falsely testified about man in the history of the earth!
Many early 'Christians' were Arrians, believing that there was an otherwise normal human there. And, if so, how would this human be the CHRISTOS? Or, what does that even mean? The esoteric system has it that this term is a cryptic solar reference, part of the precessional construct also hinted at with the 12 tribes of the Elect surrounding God, aka the Sun (Aten, Amun), and the 24 elders representing the 24 half great months of the Great Year.

Amen Amun!!!

If the 10 Decrees are so important, comparative to everything else, and they didn't originate with Jesus, then what did 'real Jesus' do substantively? Again, I don't know what is left of 'real Jesus' after one sees what came before Jesus and Matthew.

When you say God visited mankind, talking to Moses, I see this as a either an 18th Dynasty pharaoh or a brother of such a pharaoh, providing guidance for the new expeditionary force that is to conquer and convert Canaanites into Hebrews. Let's say Moses was Ahmose I, and he's sending those Hyksos Semites packing back to where they came from. Yes, you're right, there is a stele of this time, of Ahmose I's, recording all the plagues of the Exodus period. The plagues were likely caused directly and indirectly by the volcanic explosion of the volcano at Thera/Santorini.

I think you should read the other materials on this site for gaining better context before continuing on about Matthew. Otherwise, an angel came to visit Joseph Smith, granting him access to the golden plates, and he has witnesses attesting to this. Will you gainsay them? Because, I will.
 

Claude Badley

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In one sense your highlighted words are incorrect, Richard E...
I think Mr. McDonald has yet to realize the Hebrew Matthew is the "real thing" and the others are nonsense. The woman caught in adultery is spurious - added later.
...in the sense that it was Mark's gospel, along with the Q sayings gospel, which comprise the framework for Matthew and Luke. In the deeper sense however you are quite right, as the 'Gospel of the Hebrews' seems to be a source for Matthew's gospel, which reveals sources quite different to Luke. In "The Evolution of the Gospel" John Enoch Powell - yes the very same "rivers of blood" British politician who invented Thatcherism before Thatcher - a Greek scholar, showed that in many ways Matthew is the first gospel, even though he asserts that the "mutilations" are of the other gospels and not the pristine Matthew.

Likewise the "words of Jesus" harmonize Roman and Ebionite rules...
Yes, Jesus taught about compassion and justice - which is also in line with the Teachings and Decree of God from the beginning as He was with the Decree from Sinai. Paul and his disciples knew nothing of God.
...but Paul is very different, being very philosophical and theological. This is because Paul came from Gnosticism, which religious movement is the basis for Christianity itself.

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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