Infiltration and Control of Internet is here on this form? Or any where there is thinking people

lorenhough

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Jerry Russell

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"Infiltration and Control of Internet is here on this form?"

Is that a question, Loren? Or is it an accusation?
 

Jerry Russell

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Yes, I suppose it's a good question. So what do you think? Has this forum been infiltrated & controlled, and if so, by whom?

While we're asking questions, Loren, I'm curious about something. Usually your posts here are almost incoherent with grammatical errors, spelling problems and so forth. But in this rant you posted the other day, your message is eloquently stated, with no mistakes. What happened? Did you bring in your father's secretary just for this part of your post?

Did you know that evacuees still have to pay for their home-mortgages even though they can't live in their abandoned homes anymore?

It is truly awful how victims of the nuclear meltdowns are treated.

First they lose their homes and all of their physical property.

Then they often lose their health.

Then their taxes are increased to pay for the meltdown clean up.

Then their electricity rates are increased to pay for the meltdown clean up.

Then they are told stress is the cause for their radiation-induced ailments.

Then they are pressured not to talk about radiation.

Then what little money they were getting for evacuating their radioactively-contaminated homes is taken away from them.

Then they are lied to about the amount of radiation around their homes and schools.

Then they are forced to eat radioactively contaminated food.

Then radioactive waste is burned all around them, giving them little chance of NOT being exposed to radioactive-contamination.

Then a States Secret Act is imposed on them so people can no longer protest or find out from the media what's going on…
 
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lorenhough

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A question we all must ask always now days. Yes?
. To those who love to learn.

Jan says 90% of all media is dirty.

Episode 228 is a “cross-interview” with Prof. James F. Tracy, titled: “From Spies in Academic Clothing to Sandy Hook”. – we’ll be interviewing each other. This episode is being released Saturday, May 16, 2015, and was recorded May 13.

This episode is about my new article released this week: Spies in Academic Clothing, and the Trivium; and also on James’ work on Sandy Hook, and “Conspiracy Theories”..

James Tracy is a media scholar, educator and political analyst located in South Florida. He received his PhD from University of Iowa. Tracy's work on media history and politics has appeared in a wide variety of academic journals, edited volumes, and alternative news and opinion outlets. He achieved national notoriety in 2013 for questioning the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre and Boston Marathon bombing, and has since conducted extensive research on those events, available at his website, memoryholeblog.com. Tracy also hosts a weekly interview program, Real Politik, on TruthFrequencyRadio.com, and is an affiliate of Project Censored.

http://memoryholeblog.com/

[jr: snipped....]

Please make other forms of donations here: please help Jan if you can he is a good man.
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Loren
 
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Jerry Russell

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Hi Loren,

I agree, Jan is very good, and deserves to be supported. For brevity, I've taken the liberty of deleting some of the cross-post. Those interested can see the material at Jan's website.

Jan says 90% of all media is dirty.
Perhaps it might be useful to make a distinction between media that is "dirty" because the providers are actually on the CIA payroll, or some other dirty oligarchical source which is controlling the content; vs. media which is "dirty" only because the providers have been confused by one or more of the many false dichotomies or other falsehoods thrown up by the controlled media.
 

lorenhough

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. To those who love to learn.

Jan says 90% of all media is dirty.

Episode 228 is a “cross-interview” with Prof. James F. Tracy, titled: “From Spies in Academic Clothing to Sandy Hook”. – we’ll be interviewing each other. This episode is being released Saturday, May 16, 2015, and was recorded May 13.

This episode is about my new article released this week: Spies in Academic Clothing, and the Trivium; and also on James’ work on Sandy Hook, and “Conspiracy Theories”..

James Tracy is a media scholar, educator and political analyst located in South Florida. He received his PhD from University of Iowa. Tracy's work on media history and politics has appeared in a wide variety of academic journals, edited volumes, and alternative news and opinion outlets. He achieved national notoriety in 2013 for questioning the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre and Boston Marathon bombing, and has since conducted extensive research on those events, available at his website, memoryholeblog.com. Tracy also hosts a weekly interview program, Real Politik, on TruthFrequencyRadio.com, and is an affiliate of Project Censored.

http://memoryholeblog.com/

[jr: snipped....]

Please make other forms of donations here: please help Jan if you can he is a good man.
http://www.gnosticmedia.com/donate/


Loren
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Greetings to all who take the time to read or hear and watch the posts I put up. I thank you! As I believe this work here is so important!

I always read, hear and watch what is posted some times more then once those post before I comment or ask questions.

I would please ask that those who want to comment or ask questions about what I post to please read and here or watch, before commenting or asking questions unless I make a mistake in my grammar. This way we don't waste my time. Having to say what was already said. From the source. So we are not put words in anyone's mouth. Etc.

Those who remove any thing i post, I thank them for letting me know.

1:14 min in jan makes it clear what he means by "dirty media". Here is the link to podcast;

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gnostic-media-podcast/id405186177?
mt=2&i=342374834


Here is link to gnostic Media with Jan;
http://www.gnosticmedia.com
 
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Jerry Russell

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Wow, at 1:14 in Jan's podcast, he claims that media is 90% controlled across the board, including alternative media, bloggers, whatever. This seems unlikely to me, just because of the sheer numbers of people doing alternative media, and the small audiences reached. I would guess that alternative media & bloggers are much less likely to be directly under control.

Jan mentions "idiots" who are unintentionally making false statements. That would have to include most if not all of us, at one time or another.

Loren, thanks for being gracious about my edit to your post. In my view, copying & pasting entire web pages is seldom appropriate. Copyright laws allow limited excerpts for educational & critical purposes, and I'm OK with pushing the limits of that when there's a good reason. But, off-topic material just clutters up the page, and can be easily accessed from the original source.

So, getting back to the question Loren raised at the onset of this thread: has Postflaviana been infiltrated and controlled?

For illustrative purposes, let's consider my position on radiation and its relation to the die-off in the Pacific. I understand that plankton and algae populations have collapsed, that the population of fish such as herring and abalone that feed directly off marine microorganisms have also collapsed, and that marine mammals and larger fish are under stress as a result.

My position is that I can't explain this on the basis of Fukushima radiation, because the measured radiation levels off the coast of the USA and Canada are many orders of magnitude below what would normally be expected to cause such a die-off. Whereas I can explain it on the basis of ocean acidification, and ocean temperature change driven by global warming, exacerbated by nutrient runoff, putrefaction, pesticides & herbicides and so forth -- although it's an odd coincidence that all this is coming to a head at the same time as Fukushima radiation is reaching North American shores. There could also be local concentrations of radioactive pollution operating as contributing factors in some areas.

Now, I would be the first to admit that every single word that I've written here, could be wrong.

First of all, I am relying on multiple sources, both official & unofficial (alternative media) for the belief that marine populations are collapsing. But, I haven't personally gone out to the ocean to verify the stories. Considering the widespread nature of the sources, including photographic evidence -- it's hard for me to believe that it's all fake, but stranger things have happened before.

Next problem: reports of radiation levels are coming from research labs that are affiliated with the government in one way or another, so that information is much more suspect and could easily have been distorted or falsified -- although very simple calculations using worst-case estimates of Fukushima radiation release would show that the radiation should have been tremendously diluted by the ocean.

It's also possible that even very small amounts of radiation could be concentrated by marine organisms in ways that we don't understand, and create toxic effects at levels far below what has ever been seen before. Dispersal of large amounts of particulates, possibly encapsulated in carbon "buckyballs", could act in unexpected fashion. But, scientific method expects natural laws to act in uniform ways, so I'm reluctant to postulate these unknown and unexpected physical effects.

So this is how I see it. And all you out there who might be reading this site, can look at my reasoning & logic and decide whether it makes sense. It could be that I'm wrong and that Loren is right, and that there's some error in my data or reasoning -- but an honest error, not driven by an oligarchs' agenda. Or, you can also decide whether I'm likely to be a spook on the CIA payroll. I'm posting under my real name here, and I'd be happy to send anyone a copy of my resume on request.

Readers can also consider Loren, and the way he evades my questions, and the way he is continually attacking me and my integrity. Is his analysis thorough and correct about the radiation issue, and I'm being an idiot or worse? Or are Loren (and his friends Dana, Ms Milky, ENE News etc) pushing an agenda?

Where did Loren get that text beginning "Did you know that evacuees still have to pay for their home-mortgages?..." Did he suddenly become lucid enough to write that, and if so, how? Or did he "borrow" it from somewhere, without attribution? Google didn't find that text anywhere on the web. Or does Loren have a "handler"?

So: right here on my own forum, where I have authority to edit / delete posts -- Loren is asking whether this forum has been infiltrated or controlled, like 90% of the alternative media. Cheeky, if you ask me. Then he acts like he forgot he ever asked.

So I'm turning the question right back at you, Loren: How do we know that you're not part of the 90% that's been controlled?

Let me add, though, that my own opinion is that the alternative media consists of 90% people who are confused in one way or another; that is, "idiots" in Jan's terminology, though I would be kinder. My most likely guess is that Loren and I are just having an honest disagreement about radiation effects.

But, Loren, I still want to know: did you write that text about the evacuees from nuclear events? Or did someone else write it?
 

lorenhough

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may 25, 2015. Joe atwill wrote to me.

Hi Loren
I so not always see eye to eye with Rick and Jerry and truly appreciate your work on our site.
Hope you and Jerr can put all the conflict behind us as there is serious work to do.
I will try and work out a process with Jerry to try and make it easier for us all to move forward.
Joe

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Loren Wrote: to joe atwill

Joe

Happy to post things I think will help you and others.

Maybe it would be good if jerry would not comment on my post. As you know I have asked him to take any thing down I put up that he doesn't like.

I find jerry muddying the water that you give us.

I hope he would not ban me from your site but u all wish 2 do so
I understand
I will put your stuff up on my site as have.

Your friend goo goo goo

Loren
Joe atwill was kind of enough to ask me to be on his podcast; if you the take time to here the podcast; I ask who lucid and who is not? Who gets and who does not? Also joe says on the podcast "Loren is a good guy! "


Here is podcast:

http://postflaviana.org/podcasts/


I can not count the many question I have asked on this form not to get answered !!!
 

lorenhough

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Joe atwill was kind of enough to ask me to be on his podcast; if you the take time to here the podcast; I ask who lucid and who is not? Who gets and who does not? Also joe says on the podcast "Loren is a good guy! "


Here is podcast:

http://postflaviana.org/podcasts/


I can not count the many question I have asked on this form not to get answered !!!
ENENews. Comments I found this;

522 comments to Officials: 6,000% cancer rate increase in Fukushima children’s thyroids — Expert: Urgent countermeasures against the suspected outbreak are necessary — Professor: Gov’t stopped me from checking thyroid exposure levels after 3/11 (VIDEO)
« Older Comments 1 2 3 Newer Comments »
from a distance
May 21, 2015 at 10:05 am Log in to Reply
Did you know that evacuees still have to pay for their home-mortgages even though they can't live in their abandoned homes anymore?

It is truly awful how victims of the nuclear meltdowns are treated.

First they lose their homes and all of their physical property.

Then they often lose their health.

Then their taxes are increased to pay for the meltdown clean up.

Then their electricity rates are increased to pay for the meltdown clean up.

Then they are told stress is the cause for their radiation-induced ailments.

Then they are pressured not to talk about radiation.

Then what little money they were getting for evacuating their radioactively-contaminated homes is taken away from them.

Then they are lied to about the amount of radiation around their homes and schools.

Then they are forced to eat radioactively contaminated food.

Then radioactive waste is burned all around them, giving them little chance of NOT being exposed to radioactive-contamination.

Then a States Secret Act is imposed on them so people can no longer protest or find out from the media what's going on…

Etc, etc, etc


I never said I wrote this
I put the above in google and found it mmmm who can't find what and why?
LH
 

lorenhough

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ENENews. Comments I found this;

522 comments to Officials: 6,000% cancer rate increase in Fukushima children’s thyroids — Expert: Urgent countermeasures against the suspected outbreak are necessary — Professor: Gov’t stopped me from checking thyroid exposure levels after 3/11 (VIDEO)
« Older Comments 1 2 3 Newer Comments »
from a distance
May 21, 2015 at 10:05 am Log in to Reply
Did you know that evacuees still have to pay for their home-mortgages even though they can't live in their abandoned homes anymore?

It is truly awful how victims of the nuclear meltdowns are treated.

First they lose their homes and all of their physical property.

Then they often lose their health.

Then their taxes are increased to pay for the meltdown clean up.

Then their electricity rates are increased to pay for the meltdown clean up.

Then they are told stress is the cause for their radiation-induced ailments.

Then they are pressured not to talk about radiation.

Then what little money they were getting for evacuating their radioactively-contaminated homes is taken away from them.

Then they are lied to about the amount of radiation around their homes and schools.

Then they are forced to eat radioactively contaminated food.

Then radioactive waste is burned all around them, giving them little chance of NOT being exposed to radioactive-contamination.

Then a States Secret Act is imposed on them so people can no longer protest or find out from the media what's going on…

Etc, etc, etc


I never said I wrote this
I put the above in google and found it mmmm who can't find what and why?
LH
. Jerry wrote;
Hi Loren,

The articles & comments at ENENews are very helpful. It seems that sardine populations crashed last year, so it stands to reason that sea lions would be in trouble this year. Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute claims that levels of radiation in the ocean are safe, but this is ridiculous on at least two levels: first, they shouldn't need crowdfunding support to take these basic measurements; and more importantly, they also should be testing radiation levels in plankton & fish feeding from plankton. This would show whether radiation levels are being concentrated to dangerous levels in the food chain.

As soon as possible after the Fukushima disaster, I bought a geiger counter for my house. It's never indicated anything out of the ordinary. But, I read that instrumentation to test radioactivity in food & water would be much more expensive, perhaps tens of thousands of dollars for "Multi-Channel Analyzers". Surely Woods Hole could afford this equipment? How about anyone at ENENews?


Can you saw contradictions ?

con·tra·dic·tion
ˌkäntrəˈdikSH(ə)n/
noun
plural noun: contradictions
  1. a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.
    "the proposed new system suffers from a set of internal contradictions"
    • a person, thing, or situation in which inconsistent elements are present.
      "the paradox of using force to overcome force is a real contradiction"
    • the statement of a position opposite to one already made.
      "the second sentence appears to be in flat contradiction of the first"
      synonyms: denial, refutation, rebuttal, countering
      "a contradiction of his statement"
 
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Jerry Russell

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Hi Loren,
Joe atwill was kind of enough to ask me to be on his podcast; if you the take time to here the podcast; I ask who lucid and who is not? Who gets and who does not? Also joe says on the podcast "Loren is a good guy! "
Thanks for being on the podcast. I appreciated your thoughts about the Guidestones, and I thought it was a good show. I confess that I have some issues with verbal tics and pauses on the podcasts, and that we don't always put in the amount of time into research that I feel would be ideal.

I never said I wrote this
I put the above in google and found it mmmm who can't find what and why?
Perhaps I didn't find it in Google because I didn't choose the same search terms as you did. I'd appreciate if you routinely give sources & links for materials that you quote from others in your posts.

Can you saw contradictions ?
I've learned a few things since I wrote that post. Although it's true that the headlines at ENE News are sometimes useful, at the same time it happens all too often that they're distortions or outright inversions of the original source. I hadn't learned that when I wrote the above.

I still believe Woods Hole should be testing plankton & fish for radiation levels. "Multi-Channel Analyzers" are necessary to identify the specific radioactive isotopes, and are also more sensitive to alpha emitters -- but the data from standard geiger counters is better than nothing.

I can not count the many question I have asked on this form not to get answered !!!
Sometimes it can be hard to tell the difference between a rhetorical question (whose answer seems obvious) vs. a question that you would really like to have a discussion about. I'll try to do better about answering questions.
 

lorenhough

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. Jerry wrote;
Hi Loren,

The articles & comments at ENENews are very helpful. It seems that sardine populations crashed last year, so it stands to reason that sea lions would be in trouble this year. Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute claims that levels of radiation in the ocean are safe, but this is ridiculous on at least two levels: first, they shouldn't need crowdfunding support to take these basic measurements; and more importantly, they also should be testing radiation levels in plankton & fish feeding from plankton. This would show whether radiation levels are being concentrated to dangerous levels in the food chain.

As soon as possible after the Fukushima disaster, I bought a geiger counter for my house. It's never indicated anything out of the ordinary. But, I read that instrumentation to test radioactivity in food & water would be much more expensive, perhaps tens of thousands of dollars for "Multi-Channel Analyzers". Surely Woods Hole could afford this equipment? How about anyone at ENENews?


Can you saw contradictions ?

con·tra·dic·tion
ˌkäntrəˈdikSH(ə)n/
noun
plural noun: contradictions
  1. a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.
    "the proposed new system suffers from a set of internal contradictions"
    • a person, thing, or situation in which inconsistent elements are present.
      "the paradox of using force to overcome force is a real contradiction"
    • the statement of a position opposite to one already made.
      "the second sentence appears to be in flat contradiction of the first"
      synonyms: denial, refutation, rebuttal, countering
      "a contradiction of his statement"
Ms milky the clown; I know her name. do you? how many people do not use there real name on this site? etc. I AM SO SORRY ANY ONE WOULD ATTACK THE PERSON AND NOT GIVE EVIDENCE THAT SHE IS WRONG? HER YOUTUBE POSTS ARE ONE OF THE BEST PLACES FOR INFO ON FUKSHIMA AROUND. PLEASE SEE FOR YOUR SELF GO TO HER YOUTUBE CHANNEL AND LOOK. THIS WONDERFUL LADY DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE INSULTED THIS AWAY! THX lh
 
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Jerry Russell

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Hi Loren, all I said about Ms Milky is that she seems to be a friend of yours, Dana, ENE News etc. (and by that, I mean you seem to address many of the same topics and are complementary of each other) and asked if you all are pushing an agenda.

There's nothing wrong with having an agenda, especially if it's to speak up for the truth. Nobody is trying to suppress the truth here.

I think I've admitted many times that you could be entirely correct, and that Fukushima radiation is damaging the pacific in some way that I don't understand. I'm not trying to prevent anybody from accessing your website, or Dana's or Ms Milky's videos, or ENE News. On the contrary, they've been linked from here many, many times.

I watched the ms milky video. First it talks about plankton samples from within a few km of Fukushima, 669 bq/kg. What else would you expect from waters right near Fukushima? Then there's a documentary about a plankton research vessel, with no info about radiation. Then yellow-flashing out-of-context headlines from ENE News. Based on my past experience, most of these headlines will turn out to be falsified. Next came a news story about Fukushima victims suing Tepco, news items about earthquakes & aftershocks in Japan in 2015, a story about a new Tepco business partnership, and pictures of a supercomputer that simulates cyclones.

I wouldn't say there was anything "wrong" about ms milky's video, but it doesn't address the points I'm raising.

If you want to serve the cause of truth, then take my critiques to heart, look for real answers to my questions, and stop browbeating me.
 

lorenhough

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Ms milky the clown; I know her name. do you? how many people do not use there real name on this site? etc. I AM SO SORRY ANY ONE WOULD ATTACK THE PERSON AND NOT GIVE EVIDENCE THAT SHE IS WRONG? HER YOUTUBE POSTS ARE ONE OF THE BEST PLACES FOR INFO ON FUKSHIMA AROUND. PLEASE SEE FOR YOUR SELF GO TO HER YOUTUBE CHANNEL AND LOOK. THIS WONDERFUL LADY DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE INSULTED THIS AWAY! THX lh
4. Repeated exercises in the forms of good manners and politeness; based on the truth that politeness and civility are the foundation of all future relationships, all future alliances, and access to places that you might want to go.
 
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