Hitler England & USA. His puppet master, then Who killed the jew?

Richard Stanley

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I've been binge watching the numerous documentaries produced in the last few years. The latest, for me, is a 5 part 2010 series, Hitler and the Nazis, and besides all the video footage it includes a lot of interviews with people who were supposedly eyewitness to aspects of it all. In the segment covering the beginning of Operation Barbarossa, one German soldier states that the Soviets were indeed caught off guard, and ... that it appeared that the Germans had beat them to the punch by days. According to Suvorov, it was by two weeks.

One of the other interesting details mentioned in the various docus that cover the road up to the beginning of WWII, is the impact that the Wall Street Crash of 1929 played. Economic conditions had been improving in Weimar Germany for several years, and thus there was not as much for the Nazis to rally around. But in the period after the Wall Street crash, and its subsequent spread to Europe, the Nazis took full advantage of this in their propaganda and recruiting.

And to digress somewhat: In the Depression years after the 29 Crash, Joseph Kennedy Sr., the former liquor bootlegger, was made the first chairman of the SEC (1934). Later FDR would make him ambassador to England in the pre-(American involvement)-War years. Kennedy's ambassadorial career ended, during the 1940 aerial Battle of Britain when he declared that "Democracy is finished in England".

Kennedy had some strange associations with Father Coughlin, the Nazi agitator, and Kennedy would later be made a Knight of Malta (Templar/Hospitaler) for his various efforts. In addition to his association with Father Coughlin, Kennedy had a close relationship to Sen. Joe McCarthy, and thus with Roy Cohn, an interesting nexus with Fred and Donald Trump. Back in the McCarthy days, the Kennedy boys also had their interesting relationships with McCarthy. The Wikipedia link also mentions Joseph Kennedy Jr.'s 'terminal' association with a WWII effort, Operation Anvil, to use remote control to fly bombers into enemy targets in France.

All of these factoids are even more interesting in regards to Miles Mathis's theories about such as the Kennedys. In any case, the common thread with Kennedy Sr. is the traditionalist Catholic antipathy to liberal democracy, ... and the Jews (except for such as Roy Cohn).
 
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Richard Stanley

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This video discusses the so-called Ostwall, or East Wall, and it raises some interesting questions about Hitler's actions as did Suvorov's Icebreaker analysis about why Stalin had abandoned the Soviet's defensive wall. The failure to (re)fortify the Ostwall late in the war, allowed the Soviets relatively easy (4 days?) entry through the relatively narrow width of the main (invasion) route to and from the two regions.

Unlike such as the French Maginot Line, the Germans had built an extensive network of connecting tunnels between the positions, allowing for protected reinforcements.

 
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Richard Stanley

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Yes, this from Mathis is good:

You may also want to ask yourself this nagging little question that no “real” historian ever asks: since the Germans had attacked west through Belgium and Holland both in WWI (1914) and the Franco-Prussian War (1870), why were the French and English so sure they wouldn't do it again in 1940?
Why did they end the Maginot Line at Luxembourg, leaving the Belgian and Holland borders open?
 

Suchender

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You may also want to ask yourself this nagging little question that no “real” historian ever asks: since the Germans had attacked west through Belgium and Holland both in WWI (1914) and the Franco-Prussian War (1870), why were the French and English so sure they wouldn't do it again in 1940?
Even more interesting is why the French army (which was the strongest in all of Europe at that time) didn't knock out Germany in Sept. 1939 (after declaring war on Germany in Sept. 3) by advancing into the industrial heart of Germany (marked with the yellow circle in my map) ????

This they could easily do in 1 week ! Or even in 3 days !

Look to the east, where almost all of German Wehrmacht was engaged in Poland - for 1 month !

And now look to the west, where French army made the 'advance' (red arrow) !
Instead of puting an end to Hitler's plans for World Domination (LOL), the French advanced for a few miles - and STOPED !!!
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Suchender

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Today's Israel, like the original, is a synthetic political creation, and it was created from the sacrificial blood of WWII. Without its creation there is no way to complete the Futurist stage production of the End Times as so many Christian and Islamic fundamentalists (and messianic Jews) are hoping for.... This ... is God's Will.
This thesis of 'sacrificial blood' of the Jews is the only conclusion, in my opinion, which can be considered after reading what Hjalmar Horace Greeley Schacht wrote in his book 'The Magic of Money' in 1967 (pages 59-60) :
https://www.filosofiadeldebito.it/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/schacht_the_magic_of_money.pdf

It is well known that after Hitler's take-over in Austria a large number of Jews from Vienna and Budapest managed to escape persecution by obtaining permission to emigrate in return for payments to the party. They bought their political freedom with substantial amounts of foreign exchange.
After the shameful events of November 1938 which culminated in the destruction of the Jewish synagogues, I publicly declared my repugnance at these acts of terrorism. My attitude makes it plain that I had the strongest desire to find a solution to the Jewish question which Hitler would find acceptable.
I put it to him that the terrorist treatment meted out to the Jews was a political error, and that he ought to use other means if he would be rid of the German Jews. I pointed out to him that the Reichsbank had estimated the value of Jewish property in Germany at around six billion Reichsmark.
I suggested that this Jewish property should be administered by an international trust committee, and that on the basis of the security of this property at its valuation of 6 billion, a dollar loan amounting to some 1,5 billion Reichsmark should be raised. Jews all over the world would be invited to subscribe to this loan. I thought that the taking up of such a 1,5 billion loan should not prove too difficult for the many well-to-do Jews living abroad.
Out of the Dollar proceeds of this loan the trust committee would give each German Jew who intended to emigrate a suitable amount which would enable him to make a new life for himself in another country. This would not only serve the interests of the emigrating Jews, but also those of countries which hesitated to grant entry to penniless Jews. The German Government would guarantee payment of interest in Dollars, and undertake to repay the loan within 20 years.
Hitler agreed to this suggestion, and authorised me to negotiate with my London friends in order to ascertain whether such a plan were feasible. Accordingly, early in 1939 I went to London, and first of all put the plan to Montagu Norman, governor of the Bank of England. He approved of my proposals, and arranged for me to discuss them with one of London's most prominent Jews, Lord Bearstead, the chief of the well-known firm of Samuel & Samuel. He signified his agreement to the plan, but remarked that he would have to discuss it with the spiritual leader of the London Jews, Chaim Weizmann. Two days later he returned to tell me that unfortunately he could not accept my proposal, because Weizmann had been vehemently opposed to the plan. No reason was given.
I have never understood why my plan was rejected.
The fact that Hitler agreed to it shows that at that time, at the end of 1938, he was still prepared to reach a compromise. Whether the Jews of the world would have been in a position to save their German brethren from the fate which later overtook them will always remain a debatable point amongst people of good will everywhere. The monstrous idea of the 'Final Solution' obviously came to fruition only at a later date. Even if at that time there was no suggestion of such a thing, the desire of many Jews to leave Germany was understandable. The refusal of the leading Jews to entertain my suggestion led to much discussion and dispute in Jewish circles too.

Chaim Weizmann :
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Richard Stanley

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Ultimately a plan, and several more, were agreed to between the Jews and the Nazis. Edwin Black (a Jew) documented the first one in his book The Transfer Agreement. Schacht was wrong, however, about the solidarity of worldwide Jews with the German Jews, especially between the Jews of Eastern Europe with their richer German cousins, the latter living in what had been seen as a virtual paradise for them. It was Schacht who set up the Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland, which allowed 'Allied' corporate funding of Germany, before and during the war, and yet today, and so likely the 'transfer funds' were settled through the BIS.

Under that agreement, German Jews were supposed to place a fixed amount into a fund that legally enabled their transfer to Palestine. That money was then supposed to be used to buy German materials, such as steel, for the building of infrastructure and such in Palestine. According to Black, many German Jews were not able to make good on their payment, the funds being used by other Jews from other countries. Black stated that the proto-Mossad assisted the Gestapo in locating Jews to emigrate to Palestine. I wonder what the criteria was in 'transfering' versus 'concentrating'?
 
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Suchender

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Even more interesting is why the French army (which was the strongest in all of Europe at that time) didn't knock out Germany in Sept. 1939 (after declaring war on Germany in Sept. 3) by advancing into the industrial heart of Germany ????
The largely unknown Allied invasion of Germany in September 1939 :
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Jerry Russell

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The largely unknown Allied invasion of Germany in September 1939 :
Hello Suchender, nice to hear from you. The video suggests that the French invasion failed partly because of a lack of resolve, but also because the Soviet Union's entry into Poland allowed Hitler to re-direct his forces to the south and defeat the French. Does that explanation seem credible to you?
 
Your map is confusing Suchender; it misrepresents the order of attack.
This may help ? :
The Maginot line, a fixed structure, was built opposite Germany itself with minor extension opposite Luxemburg. It did not extend to cover the Belgian border in any significant way. That Germany would attack thru Belgium was a foregone conclusion due to the fact that the Vosges and Jura Mountains on the French/German border block effective infantry action. This too is why Waterloo was fought in what is now Belgium - flat open country suitable for rapid travel.

The map is particularly wrong because as the Germans were breaking the fixed fortifications in Belgium, they also struck with main force through the Ardennes Forest, breaking the Western defence opposite that point and driving right across to Abbeville on the Channel Coast - the Modified Schlieffen Plan - cutting off the French 5th Army (the most well-equipped army) and the BEF from the rest of France. Hence the Dunquerque evacuation.

In fact however French pilots, flying AT NIGHT over the whole attack front before the major attack in France was launched, and combining their observations, discovered a double line of military vehicles, 120 km long, stretching back into Germany from the Ardennes Forest in Belgium where the army had just broken through. The French High Command dismissed this discovery as a ruse, rather than rushing their reserve forces towards the Meuse opposite the Ardennes Forest!

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

Suchender

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The video suggests that the French invasion failed partly because of a lack of resolve, but also because the Soviet Union's entry into Poland allowed Hitler to re-direct his forces to the south and defeat the French. Does that explanation seem credible to you?
No, The Wehrmacht was busy in Poland until end of September 1939. It would be impossible to re-direct that army to the west in a few days ! Less wth the wear on the equipment, especially german tanks. After that Poland campaign they needed a total overhaul !

The French offensive started 4 days after the declaration of war on Sept. 3rd.
They advanced for 5 miles and stoped !

You want to kill your enemy, and then swing the knife to stab him in the back, but then stop the movement when your knife touches his shirt ????
The whole world would apploud you were you killing the 'greatest evil' but you just decided not to stab him in the back ?!

1 week more of advance, and the French would have cripled ALL ambitions the Nazis ever had in mind by occupying the Rheinland !
No more war, less a World War !!!
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Correct, Suchender. These actions were in September 1939...
No, The Wehrmacht was busy in Poland until end of September 1939. It would be impossible to re-direct that army to the west in a few days ! Less wth the wear on the equipment, especially german tanks. After that Poland campaign they needed a total overhaul !

The French offensive started 4 days after the declaration of war on Sept. 3rd.
They advanced for 5 miles and stoped !
...whereas the attack on France I outlined above occurred in May 1940, the intervening period termed the Sitzkrieg or Phony War when Britain and France just sat there inactive over winter.

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

Jerry Russell

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You want to kill your enemy, and then swing the knife to stab him in the back, but then stop the movement when your knife touches his shirt ????
I have no answer to this. I think we can enter it into our list of very suspicious events leading up to WWII.
 

Suchender

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I have no answer to this. I think we can enter it into our list of very suspicious events leading up to WWII.
The answer is simple, Jerry.

Clearly it was not the plan to stop Hitler !

The plan was to create a large conflict in which many nations will be involved (a World War) with as much victims as possible (to make people scare again and again).

To re-shape the whole world to your liking a really big conflict is needed.

And we got 2 of them !
A dramatic change compared to the order of 19th century is the result !

Europe is no more directed by royal dynasties (is debatable), but rather by the populace/herd (so the simple people think).
All is great now !

Time to bring in other stubborn nations into this new paradise of Democracy !
 
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And to think I had just been writing about Oligarchical Collectivism on the Relativity thread!:)
The answer is simple, Jerry. Clearly it was not the plan to stop Hitler ! The plan was to create a large conflict in which many nations will be involved (a World War) with as much victims as possible (to make people scare again and again). To re-shape the whole world to your liking a really big conflict is needed. And we got 2 of them ! A dramatic change compared to the order of 19th century is the result ! Europe is no more directed by royal dynasties (is debatable), but rather by the populace/herd (so the simple people think).
All is great now ! Time to bring in other stubborn nations into this new paradise of Democracy !
By "other stubborn nations" we can readily guess that Iran, Russia and China are meant.:D

The real horror however is that the USA & Britain are happy to dispose of their own culturally debased masses in the conflict - which might not be true for the Chosen People who would rather be rid of the Palestinians once and for all, WW3 being a perfect excuse.

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

Richard Stanley

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No Justice, No Peace? No WWII, no Zion.
Time to bring in other stubborn nations into this new paradise of Democracy !
New Paradise of False Democracy!!

So, perhaps Claude could oblige us (better than pontificating on Einstein) how we would be immune from such wars if our societies were returned to a state of non-debasement. I was unable to get Joe Atwill to do so. See what I just wrote on another thread about Degradation:

Such considerations bring new light upon what Philo of Alexandria (and Josephus) were really up to. As such, I say that all of this is supportive of our widest claims regarding a larger project, which is playing out yet today. Call it NeoHellenism if you will.

But, as well, our thesis (made stronger here) is in direct contrast to the traditional Catholic and contemporary cultural Catholic POV which is inherently built upon the False Dialectic. It is like where, similar to an ouroboros, one first sucks on their own cock and then crows to high Heaven about various others' innovative perversions, the Degradation of their romantic [sic] Western High Culture (never once engaging in honest discussion about what exactly is being degraded unless using selective contextual boundaries).
 

Seeker

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Kennedy would later be made a Knight of Malta (Templar/Hospitaler) for his various efforts.
He was married to a Fitzgerald, supposedly descended ultimately from Tuscan nobility, and whom was created a Papal countess by Pope Pius XII. Their son, President John F. Kennedy, was assassinated the year he turned 46, and his Presidency came to an end. Emperor Napoleon of the French was also descended from Tuscan nobility, and his rule ended at the Battle of Waterloo, the year that he turned 46. Coincidence?
 
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Richard Stanley

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The following discusses the competing Nazi war plans for the conduction of Operation Barbarossa. As we've mentioned before on this thread, the top generals, at least, understood that this operation, and the whole war generally, was unwinnable. Did Hitler know, or were they afraid to tell him?

One would think that all those 'Allied' corporate interests that were dumping money into Germany before and during the war would have insisted on better results for their investments. Unless, of course, ... they win either way, and/or there is a Plan behind the plan.

 
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