He Judges Me, He Judges Me Naught..y

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Richard Stanley, Feb 4, 2018.

  1. Richard Stanley

    Richard Stanley Administrator


    This forum thread will form the basis of an eventual blog page post, or posts, on the Biblical Judges and on to King Saul. Of which, these episodes ultimately transitionally led to the infamous kingship period recorded in the Old Testament, especially that of David and his son Solomon. These 'judges' literally 'prepared the way' for the new order of the day, at least, from the Judaic perspective. Oddly, this dynamic dynastic duo were the only two of a longer monarchy that 'united' both Judea and northern Israel. All that Moses, Joseph, and the judges did for centuries for the creation of a Promised Land ostensibly for all of the Hebrews fell to naught with the deportation of the so-called Lost Tribes.

    Fell to naught, that is, except for certain elite Jews, Benjamites, and Levites who will from then on all go under the more (c)atholic banner of Jewish.

    As such, this thread will knit together with a prior related thread that soon morphed into commentary on the later judges, and that started out by discussing the Egyptian origins of Freemasonry and even the Jews themselves. On that thread and others I have discussed various related material from such as the Sabbah brothers Secrets of the Exodus, Flavio Barbiero's Secret Society of Moses, Robert Feather's Copper Scroll, Ralph Ellis's numerous books, Ahmed Osman's same, Sigmund Freud, and even Immanuel Velikovsky. All of which note an intimate (and controlled opposition) relationship between the foundations of Biblical Israel and the actions of the very active 18th and 19th Egyptian Dynasties. And all of which bookend the collapse of the Late Bronze Age, where all east Mediterranean and Mesopotamian societies collapse ... except that of Egypt.

    The Sabbah brothers, French rabbis, even noted that the name of the personal prelature priesthood of Amenhotep III, father of Akhenaton, was that of the Yahud. Not a people, but a priesthood. Indeed, in my yet work-in-progress series of The Genesis of the False Dialectic of Western Civilization (of which this is a part) I posit that the creation of Biblical Israel (much like the modern creation) was a highly propagandized creation of a controlled opposition to so-called goy societies. The inside cynical joke, then, is the frequent use of the term 'Gentile', whose etymological roots denote the elites of society.

    In this context we can see the 'judges' as forming a centuries long cultural engineering process that would extend well past David and Solomon, transforming previously pagan peoples into monotheistic converts, much like later Christianity and Islam would do, under the rubric of 'convert or die'. Islam would allow so-called Peoples of the Book to go on as before if they paid a tax to do so. Christianity would similarly allow defanged Jews to go on as oxymoronic, reformed (Orthodox) Rabbinic Jews.

    The central sardony of sardonies of the Judges period is in the overweaning importance of maintaining faithful and fearful adherence to the fearfully loving commandments of Yahweh, as related by Moses and Aaron to them. Repeatedly before, during, and after the Judges period the Hebrews are told how to properly behave, and further they are presented with supernatural events and bloody punishments, yet they constantly are drawn by the lure of the pagan's gods and goddesses ... and their pagan human lovers. As with the old saw of "Me thinks ye protest too much", perhaps the biblical scribes had the Hebrew 'backslide too much'?

    The 'post-Conquest' biblical judges are called to their office by the various Hebrew polities to deal with arising issues with various neighboring pagan 'natives'. Doubly sardonically, we find out in the first stages, that the issue is that God has placed the 'Israelites' under the thumb of some of these various pagan neighbors. Why? To punish them .... for being naughty.

    One judge fulfills his lifetime commitment and as soon as he dies, the Israelites are back to schlepping with the enemy. This interregnum period of naughtiness is allowed to go on for arbitrarily neat periods of 40 years and such, before a new emergency threshold is reached, and a new judge is elected.

    The office of 'judge' functions martially like a king with the exception that it is not hereditarily dynastic. There is a theocratic aspect in that the core of the problems that need to be dealt with arise from sin against Yahweh. In this case an avatar for the veiled, real political power, just as Christ would later be an avatar for the collective Caesars - who became de jure red-headed pharaohs themselves.

    As first noted, we'll end with Kind Saul, and with the the later transition to the Roman power paradigm, we'll see yet another Saul play a key role, importantly changing his name to Paul. A few judges before King Saul, we'll see the legendary Samson, and see numerous amazing topical parallels with a certain chaotic, bombastic, narcissistic, nazarite with strange hair.

    In the Judge's Song of Deborah and Barak, we find out that Samson's tribe of Dan lives offshore on their ships, being unsettled in Israel yet. They are immigrants, having come, yes, from Egypt, but via Greece and known there as the Danaoi.

    Barak, naughty strumpets, and naughty trump..ets?
  2. Richard Stanley

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    Part 1, Judges Chapter 1

    Judges Chapter 1 is basically the Book of Judge's introduction to the subsequent chapters that detail the serial narratives of the various 'judges'. It's main theme is in further detailing the narrative at the end of the Book of Joshua in explaining that Canaanites and other pagans were yet widely left in all the new Hebrew tribal lands of Israel. As can be seen below in some places it seems that the Canaanites were completely annihilated, yet in most places the Canaanites or others were still left living amongst the various Hebrew tribes and their respective allotted lands. The tribes had been awarded their lands by allotment, except the lands for Ephraim, Manasseh, and Levi. These first two (half) tribes are the descendants of Joseph (Ephraim and Manasseh), the favored son of Jacob. The priestly tribe of Levi is not allotted any regional territory, but rather is granted the 48 largest cities throughout all Israel (Joshua 21, Numbers 35), no small deal.

    Despite the premier status of Ephraim and Manasseh even they are left with Canaanites living amongst them, of course paying them the traditional 'tribute' owed to a conqueror.

    And so despite the blustering rhetoric of Yahweh and his spokemen about how he provides so much support for his chosen people in militarily taking over the Promised Land, their combined efforts are inadequate to allow most of Canaan cum Israel to be taken fully. This circumstance then becomes the central tension for hundreds of years, long exceeding the entire period of the Judges. The problem described is that, despite the dire punishments continually meted out by jealous Yahweh, the Hebrews continually return to various intercourse with the pagans and the pagan gods. One judge will do his assigned duty, and then almost immediately upon his death (and the end of his judgeship) and the Hebrews are back to playing with the Canaanites. They never, ever learn, yet Yahweh, while ever ticked off, can't seem to effect the desired result despite all the bloodshed.

    From Judges 1 KJV:

    Places Presumably Completely Conquered
    8Now the children of Judah had fought against Jerusalem, and had taken it, and smitten it with the edge of the sword, and set the city on fire. 9And afterward the children of Judah went down to fight against the Canaanites, that dwelt in the mountain, and in the south, and in the valley. 10And Judah went against the Canaanites that dwelt in Hebron: (now the name of Hebron before was Kirjatharba) and they slew Sheshai, and Ahiman, and Talmai.

    16And the children of the Kenite, Moses' father in law, went up out of the city of palm trees with the children of Judah into the wilderness of Judah, which lieth in the south of Arad; and they went and dwelt among the people. 17And Judah went with Simeon his brother, and they slew the Canaanites that inhabited Zephath, and utterly destroyed it. And the name of the city was called Hormah. 18Also Judah took Gaza with the coast thereof, and Askelon with the coast thereof, and Ekron with the coast thereof. 19And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. 20And they gave Hebron unto Caleb, as Moses said: and he expelled thence the three sons of Anak. 21And the children of Benjamin did not drive out the Jebusites that inhabited Jerusalem; but the Jebusites dwell with the children of Benjamin in Jerusalem unto this day.

    22And the house of Joseph, they also went up against Bethel: and the LORD was with them. 23And the house of Joseph sent to descry Bethel. (Now the name of the city before was Luz.) 24And the spies saw a man come forth out of the city, and they said unto him, Shew us, we pray thee, the entrance into the city, and we will shew thee mercy. 25And when he shewed them the entrance into the city, they smote the city with the edge of the sword; but they let go the man and all his family. 26And the man went into the land of the Hittites, and built a city, and called the name thereof Luz: which is the name thereof unto this day.

    Places Not Conquered
    27Neither did Manasseh drive out the inhabitants of Bethshean and her towns, nor Taanach and her towns, nor the inhabitants of Dor and her towns, nor the inhabitants of Ibleam and her towns, nor the inhabitants of Megiddo and her towns: but the Canaanites would dwell in that land. 28And it came to pass, when Israel was strong, that they put the Canaanites to tribute, and did not utterly drive them out.

    29Neither did Ephraim drive out the Canaanites that dwelt in Gezer; but the Canaanites dwelt in Gezer among them.

    30Neither did Zebulun drive out the inhabitants of Kitron, nor the inhabitants of Nahalol; but the Canaanites dwelt among them, and became tributaries.

    31Neither did Asher drive out the inhabitants of Accho, nor the inhabitants of Zidon, nor of Ahlab, nor of Achzib, nor of Helbah, nor of Aphik, nor of Rehob: 32But the Asherites dwelt among the Canaanites, the inhabitants of the land: for they did not drive them out.

    33Neither did Naphtali drive out the inhabitants of Bethshemesh, nor the inhabitants of Bethanath; but he dwelt among the Canaanites, the inhabitants of the land: nevertheless the inhabitants of Bethshemesh and of Bethanath became tributaries unto them.

    34And the Amorites forced the children of Dan into the mountain: for they would not suffer them to come down to the valley: 35But the Amorites would dwell in mount Heres in Aijalon, and in Shaalbim: yet the hand of the house of Joseph prevailed, so that they became tributaries. 36And the coast of the Amorites was from the going up to Akrabbim, from the rock, and upward.

    As such, could there be something else going on besides what is related in the surface narrative? The following from the last chapter of Joshua tells us that the Hebrew's patriarchs had all worshiped pagan gods. And, Moses was forced to implement 613 laws of cultural inversion (excepting the 10 Commandments) that came to differentiate the Hebrews from all other peoples, excepting when the were constantly backsliding that is. One strong logical implication here is that before Moses supposedly doing so, these people were all really pagan from the git go.

    2And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods. (Joshua 24 KJV)

    14Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD. 15And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. (Joshua 24 KJV)

    And as I have discussed elsewhere, it appears that many of the "twelve tribes" were really of the original Canaanites that were compelled to convert to the sole worship of Yahweh, their prior father (of the Canaanite pantheon) god being El, who was then conveniently merged (syncretism) with Yahweh in the later Jewish canon.
  3. Richard Stanley

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    Part 2a, Judges Chapter 2

    Judges 2 can actually be seen as a second Introduction, after Chapter 1. It transitions us from the conqueror Joshua to the institution of the 'judges', a poor equivalent of a republic period, most distinguished by its focus on not having a dynastic monarch. This quality is most notable for the Roman Republic's disdain for a king, as well as the attitude of such as the American revolutionaries against a tyrannical king.

    Just before Joshua ben Nun gives up the ghost at age 110, a messenger of the Lord appears to the people of Israel and curiously informs them that, after their supposedly conquering all of Canaan, that he will not drive the native Canaanites out, but rather he will leave them amongst the conquering invaders to act as a thorn in their side, for generation after generation. Oh dear, the Israelites wailed and wept upon hearing this news.

    1And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you. 2And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this? 3Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you. 4And it came to pass, when the angel of the LORD spake these words unto all the children of Israel, that the people lifted up their voice, and wept. 5And they called the name of that place Bochim: and they sacrificed there unto the LORD. (Judges 2, KJV)​

    The theme of Judges, and continuing for long afterward is the continual failure of the Hebrews, and later 'Jews', to maintain the commandments of the Lord. They are thus intermittently punished mightily for these transgressions. YET, the messenger of the Lord, ans thus presumably the Lord himself, already not only knows that they will transgress him, but acts to ensure that they do transgress him. What does this say about the nature of this god? In most contemporary contexts this would be considered perverse behavior.

    But perhaps if we consider the true identity of the Biblical "Lord" and his angelic messenger within the less credulous contexts of Postflavian and other alternative researchers, then perhaps we can see that this described behavior is really masking something rather different than what we are being led to believe from the surface narrative. Simply seeing the "Lord" as the contemporaneous pharaoh of the day, and that the Lord's various angels are his military and diplomatic envoys allows for a much clearer picture with a far better sense of verisimilitude.

    And so before we go much further, let's first examine some prior instances of interactions with the Lord and his agents. (Especially since we planned on skipping such as the Conquest of Joshua, as being fairly obvious as to what is going on.)

    13And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? 15And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so. (Joshua 5, KJV)​

    In the above, it is important to note that the term 'host' means an army. Is this a heavenly army, or is it an actual contingent of pharaoh's earthly army, coming to assist Joshua in the establishment of the new buffer state desired by Egypt? We suggest the latter in light of such as the thesis of the Sabbah brothers' Secrets of the Exodus and others looking at the intention and aftermath of the Amarna period. The Sabbah brothers implied, we believe correctly, that the 18th and 19th Dynasty pharaohs were employing the principle of controlled opposition in establishing the 'synthesis' of Israel, using the remnants of the manufactured(?) Aton schism.

    Just prior to these verses we are oddly told that the conquering Israelites must undergo a mass circumcision. Why? Because, somehow in the process of wandering in the desert wilderness for 40 years since leaving Egypt, the present generation of Israelites had escaped undergoing this ritual just after birth, despite all the dramatic punishments inflicted upon them by Moses and the 'Lord'. Here, Moses had to dramatically impress upon the people of the new order his 613 laws of cultural inversion, implying that the real audience had been various pagans all along, cum Hebrews. And yet, the parents of Joshua's conquerors neglected to circumcise their boys just after birth? Again, a sign that there is more to the conversion than we're being told.

    A similar odd armed interaction with an angel of Lord occurs with the story of Baalam's Ass in Numbers 22:23. Then, again, later with King David in 1 Chronicles 21:16.

    Next we see that the death of Joshua is reiterated from the Book of Joshua, and that he is buried in his city on mount Ephraim, which contains the colonial, psuedo-republic capitol of Bethel / Shiloh, that is, until King David establishes Jerusalem as such. He his frequently attributed as "servant of the Lord", whom we count the latter as being 'pharaoh'.

    End of Part 2a
  4. Richard Stanley

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    Part 2b, Judges Chapter 2

    The Death of Joshua

    See also: (Joshua 24:29-33)

    6And when Joshua had let the people go, the children of Israel went every man unto his inheritance to possess the land. 7And the people served the LORD all the days of Joshua, and all the days of the elders that outlived Joshua, who had seen all the great works of the LORD, that he did for Israel. 8And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of the LORD, died, being an hundred and ten years old. 9And they buried him in the border of his inheritance in Timnathheres, in the mount of Ephraim, on the north side of the hill Gaash. 10And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers: and there arose another generation after them, which knew not the LORD, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel.
    (Judges 2, KJV)​

    In Joshua 24, he finishes recounting the history of his Conquest with the assembled tribes by saying:

    12And I sent the hornet before you, which drave them out from before you, even the two kings of the Amorites; but not with thy sword, nor with thy bow. 13And I have given you a land for which ye did not labour, and cities which ye built not, and ye dwell in them; of the vineyards and oliveyards which ye planted not do ye eat. (Joshua 24, KJV)​

    Interestingly, the 'hornet' forms a linkage with Vespasian, the 'wasp', who would later conquer Palestine with his son, Titus. In the prior historical case, the new regime had placed the Levites in absolute control over the 48 largest cities (Joshua 21), leaving the other conquering tribes otherwise without them. This seems to form something of a parallel with what the Norman Conquest would effect in Britain. This where the prior Saxon populace stayed in place as from before. During the period of the collapse of the Late Bronze Age, archaeology has noted that it appears that the breakdown of the Canaanite cities directly led to the creation of seemingly 'egalitarian' communities in the rural highland areas, at least. And these people were likely either pre-existing in those areas or were escaped slaves and such from the chaos of the cities.

    Judges 2 goes on to kvetch that the Israelites are unfaithful, forming the predicate for the need for the 'judges' to come.

    16Nevertheless the LORD raised up judges, which delivered them out of the hand of those that spoiled them. 17And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them: they turned quickly out of the way which their fathers walked in, obeying the commandments of the LORD; but they did not so. 18And when the LORD raised them up judges, then the LORD was with the judge, and delivered them out of the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge: for it repented the LORD because of their groanings by reason of them that oppressed them and vexed them. 19And it came to pass, when the judge was dead, that they returned, and corrupted themselves more than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them, and to bow down unto them; they ceased not from their own doings, nor from their stubborn way. 20And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel; and he said, Because that this people hath transgressed my covenant which I commanded their fathers, and have not hearkened unto my voice; 21I also will not henceforth drive out any from before them of the nations which Joshua left when he died: 22That through them I may prove Israel, whether they will keep the way of the LORD to walk therein, as their fathers did keep it, or not. 23Therefore the LORD left those nations, without driving them out hastily; neither delivered he them into the hand of Joshua. (Judges 2, KJV)​

    Thus, the Lord pharaoh's contract with the children of Abraham is indeed transactional, and he uses the continued presence of the indigenous peoples and their gods to test the measure of his Chosen People. Of whom, would be continually found wanting, and today the descendants of the conquerors of the New World are being found wanting, currently being chaotically led by a new Samson, our 'judge' seeking an occasion against the 'Philistines' within.

    End of Part 2b
  5. Jerry Russell

    Jerry Russell Administrator Staff Member

    Of course, the "mainstream" rejects all of this conspiratorial theorizing, based on an alternative set of facts & interpretations that need to be addressed somehow.

    The first problem is that during the entire period of the 18th and 19th dynasties, and into the rule of Ramesses III, the Levant was already firmly in the Egyptian sphere of influence. This was enforced by military campaigns by Thutmose I, Thutmose III, Amenhotep II, Seti I, Ramesses II, Merneptah and Ramesses III. During the time of the Amarna letters (Amenhotep III, Akhenaten) there were challenges to Egyptian dominance, but Egypt was not defeated in any conclusive way. In any case, Egyptian hegemony over the region was firmly reasserted by Seti I.

    After the Bronze Age collapse circa 1177 BCE, during the reign of Ramesses III, Egypt's Hittite, Kassite and Amorite rivals suffered complete collapse. Egypt alone was left standing, but with greatly reduced circumstances. Beginning at this time, according to conventional history, a sort of power vacuum opened up in the Levant. Regional tribes such as the Philistines and Canaanites were able to create an independent existence. This period continued until 925 BCE, when the Egyptian pharaoh Sheshonq I invaded the area and carried away a great booty. And around 740 BCE, Tiglath-Pileser III of Assyria arrived to subjugate the region.

    Meanwhile, during the period from 1550 to 1150 BCE, there was a dearth of any settlements at all in the region later known as the kingdoms of Israel and Judah. Then, starting around 1150 BCE, a Canaanite people moved into the region. These Canaanite/Israelites were distinguishable from other Canaanite cultures, only by their aversion to pork. And even this limited distinction is controversial.

    Furthermore, there's no evidence that this early Israelite society was wealthy enough to support a literary culture. The earliest archaeological indication of any significant urbanization is the cities with six-chambered gates, such as at Gezer, Lachish and Megiddo. These were once dated to King Solomon, but now are considered to belong to the Omride period, approx. 880 BCE.

    The Old Testament was written even later than this. According to Richard Elliot Friedman, a prominent modern advocate of the Documentary Hypothesis, our Pentateuch is a composite of several identifiable source documents known as J, E, P and D. Friedman thinks that J was written before the fall of Judah in 722 BCE, but probably not much before that. The D source (Deuteronomist) seems to be the "Book of the Law" allegedly discovered by Josiah about 641 BCE. And, finally, these early sources were edited and redacted under the Achaemenid Persians at the time of Ezra and Nehemiah, who had yet another political agenda.

    So the questions are: if the Israelite culture was created by some Exodus event around the time of Akhenaten (ca. 1350 BCE), then where did it exist until 1150 BCE when the first archaeological evidence of Israelites is found? Why are the Israelites so nearly identical to Canaanites when they do turn up in the archaeological record? How could any reliable written record of the Exodus or the period of the Judges survive for hundreds of years in a semi-literate, semi-nomadic culture?

    The mainstream holds that it's impossible, and that the books of Exodus, Joshua and Judges are basically imaginative fictional reconstructions rather than actual history.
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2018
  6. Richard Stanley

    Richard Stanley Administrator

    This is a problem? No, this is a good thing.

    I believe I discussed in the first part of the Judges analysis that it is impossible to determine the historicity of the Judges narrative. And even if the various elements were cobbled together and re-purposed from prior historical accounts of such as pre-existing Canaanite and Philistine kingdoms it is impossible to determine if the serial order is accurate.

    The Amarna Letters are proof that Canaanite kingdoms, and their cities (as with similar northern sites like Ugarit and Nuzu) existed that communicated with such as Akhenaton and his father. After this time, for a considerable period then, it is possible to create whatever narrative one wants to explain how Canaanite culture was replaced with Israelite and Judean 'Hebrew'culture. As such, I am left with examining the narrative that was provided to us to see what it might tell us, or where problems with it exist. And then to compare how both archaeology and alternative accounts of the 18th and 19th Dynasty might assist.

    The latter provide the likely entry points and theological vectors into what became the Biblical account, unless one chooses to take the Biblical account on face value.

    Where did the Israelites hang out? Funny that the first two judges are preceded by periods where the 'Israelites are under the control of foreign (non-Egyptian) kings, because the Lord is mad at them.

    7And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and forgat the LORD their God, and served Baalim and the groves. 8Therefore the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hand of Chushanrishathaim king of Mesopotamia: and the children of Israel served Chushanrishathaim eight years.
    9And when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised up a deliverer to the children of Israel, who delivered them, even Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother. 10And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel, and went out to war: and the LORD delivered Chushanrishathaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand; and his hand prevailed against Chushanrishathaim. 11And the land had rest forty years. And Othniel the son of Kenaz died.

    Ehud Delivers the Israelites
    12And the children of Israel did evil again in the sight of the LORD: and the LORD strengthened Eglon the king of Moab against Israel, because they had done evil in the sight of the LORD. 13And he gathered unto him the children of Ammon and Amalek, and went and smote Israel, and possessed the city of palm trees. 14So the children of Israel served Eglon the king of Moab eighteen years. (Judges 3, KJV)​

    In the period of these first judges, at least, it is likely before the collapse of the Late Bronze Age in any case, as the chronology is accounted.
  7. Jerry Russell

    Jerry Russell Administrator Staff Member

    But aren't we claiming that our core narrative is indeed historical? That is, we say that Egypt was covertly and intentionally creating the "twelve tribes of Israel" as a controlled opposition force in the Levant. And, we argue that incidents in which the Israelites were "smote" because of their backsliding into Pagan ways, represent real bloodshed that was cynically doled out by the Egyptian-loyalist priesthood to enforce their monotheistic Yahud religion on the reluctant locals.

    I think the mainstream view is that Israel, as the political and theological construct described in the source documents of the Pentateuch, was basically invented in the 8th century BCE as anti-Egyptian propaganda. As such, it met the needs of the new Assyrian rulers of the region. According to that view, the Israelites were basically indistinguishable from ordinary Canaanites. But considering the complexity and subterranean mendacity of the putative J and E source narratives, my response is that "you can't make this stuff up." It's so twisted that it must be true in some sense.

    But if the narrative in Exodus and Judges is historical, it's odd that it seems so disconnected from the archaeological picture.
  8. Richard Stanley

    Richard Stanley Administrator

    I'm pretty sure what you are referring to here is not the entire region known as Canaan and sometimes as Phoenicia, but rather the highland portions of these regions. The lowlands were always occupied in those earlier times by the various Canaanite kingdoms. Silberman and Finklestein's work was discussing the ebb and flow of these highland peoples in thousand year cycles apparently driven by climatic factors. This phenomenon encompassed an even greater area than Canaan, as identical ebbs and flows occurred at the very same time in neighboring areas. Nomadic tribes, as with today's Bedouin, would trade that lifestyle with a settled pastoral style in these highland regions, because they and their herds could now survive from the now available conditions.

    We also need to remember that even though Egypt was the main Lord of the vassal state kings of the region, the closer one got to such as Mesopotamia and Hatti that individual vassal states would commonly dither in their allegiances to Egypt, playing off the various powers to gain the best advantage for themselves. They would also play for political advantage against their neighbors, creating constant problems for the respective vassal Lords. So, while in control of the Canaan proper why not take a different tack and create one polity out of the many, i.e. E PLURIBUS UNUM? Hmmm

    And, as the above first episodes detail, the Egypto-Lord can use the sinful situations of their new peeps to create pretexts against the various neighboring political powers at the same time. A Two-for.

    The Mycenaean era Danaoi tribe originated in Egypt, of which Ralph Ellis makes a good case (in Scota) that this immigration (forced exile) occurred in the same exact time from of the Amarna debacle. So, for these 'Hebrews to be, they ended up in Greece, before continuing to serve the EgyptoLord in Canaan, as the tribe of Dan. Some of these Danaoi also ended up in Ireland, and then what is now red-headed Scotland.

    Partially, as I have suggested, they were always in Canaan, simply living as various Canaanite communities, worshipping El, their traditional heavenly head of the Canaanite pantheon .. who fathered Ba'al and likely a convenient younger brother, Yahweh. Israeli archaeologists have discovered artworks depicting Yahweh with his wife Asherah, and son. These crude depictions found in Yahweh communities that were interspersed amongst Ba'al communities.

    As such, the real conversion of these people was made much easier because they were already familiar with El, and they had fellow, long contemporary 'citizens' of neighboring Yahweh communities, who had long intermarried with them. Such interspersed towns and villages were the polytheistic norm in most all places like Egypt and Mesopotamia. Each community had a god or goddess that they paid favorite homage to, but respected their differing neighbor communities, because for one thing, they were all sibling gods and goddesses.
    Easy. The semi-nomads didn't write the records, but the priestly class did. This priestly class was either all Egyptian, from such as the Yahud priesthood of Amenhotep III or a mixture, that for a while, at least, included various Canaanite and even collaborating Philistine priests. After all, who wrote the Amarna Letters to Amarna?
  9. Richard Stanley

    Richard Stanley Administrator

    I'm only saying that we can't determine historicity directly from the Judges narrative, but rather in determining how the narrative might indeed make sense otherwise. And in doing so, then we can see how such as the tribe of Dan really fit the picture in making a good link to the Egyptians.

    I think it is safe to say that the source documents were first compiled and redacted in these times and later centuries. And likely many of the elements, such as the various 'judges' were well known in their respective regions. Thus their respective stories, then centuries old, were tweaked for propagandic purposes, into a grand unified narrative, albeit I suggest that the Egyptians were indeed manipulating these 'proxy' groups to do their bidding. Just like is done today.

    Under the rules of 'controlled opposition' it would mandate that Moses's laws and the other texts would indeed vilify the Egyptians, as the true source cannot be revealed to those being manipulated and suffering the bloody consequences.

    Because so much is happening in the contemporaneous and long historical backdrop of climate change, it is my contention that a main motivating factor of the EgyptoLords were to transpose themselves generally northward and east and west. Hence such as Greece, Ireland and Scotland as well.

    As I alluded above, the record on the ground that you're referring to is the record of the people that don't leave records. We're concerned with the people that do write, edit, and control such records.
  10. Richard Stanley

    Richard Stanley Administrator

    Let's also remember the lessons from Martin Bernal, via his Black Athena Vol. 1, where he strongly details the history and motivations for the creation of the Romantic Movement, the very first intellectual product of the so-called 'modern scientific university' in Gottingen (sponsored by the 'German' king of England - George II). The motivations for the Romantic Movement were to distract focus for the origins of high European Culture away from Egypt, and onto Classical Greece. all the while denying that all the Classical Greeks didn't know what they were talking about as to the ultimately Egyptian origins of Classical Greek culture.

    This same bias exists today for the 'mainstream'. What, there are Freemasons in your Tea Party? Tea comes from China, not Egypt.
  11. Jerry Russell

    Jerry Russell Administrator Staff Member

    Yes, exactly.

    This makes a lot of sense as an Egyptian strategy. The originally fierce tribal and local loyalties could be subsumed into the corporate entity over time.

    But if the Yahud priesthood was in fact pushing Atenist (solar) or Yahwist monotheism during the entire period between the Amarna era and the Josiah reforms, it's hard to believe they would have so little success. During that entire time, there's no archaeological evidence of Hebrew monotheism being expressed by Yahuds (Levites) or anyone else.

    From the archaeology, the only tentative conclusion is that the Highlanders were being set apart culturally, with the pork taboo. If the Egyptian goal was to create a cohesive social entity from Canaanite tribal raw material, such a trivial cultural shibboleth might have been sufficient to do the job. That is, along with a network of Egyptian-connected priests who might plausibly leave no archaeology behind.

    The monotheistic idea could have been introduced by the Persians, and injected into the redacted version of historical source documents as a proxy for some actual dialectic. Such as, for example, a conflict between the native Canaanite religion and culture (as modulated by Yahud and Egyptian influence) vs. Hittite and Assyrian religion as introduced to the region by foreign invaders.

    I could also suggest that perhaps they felt an affinity to such regions, because that is where they originally came from. Thus, they felt more comfortable living among (and, presumably, ruling over) people of the same genetic makeup and general appearance.
  12. Richard Stanley

    Richard Stanley Administrator

    For the same reason as I mentioned just prior, we can't know exactly when the monotheistic push actually started. In any case, we know from current experience just how dogged some people are, especially less educated rural folk, to cultural changes of even a minor nature, much less to the core of belief.

    Cline's self-admittedly arbitrary date of 1177 BCE for the year of the collapse of the Late Bronze Age is also roughly in the middle of the Judges period, and we know that the LBE collapse was, in reality (and somewhat like the Judges narrative), a much longer process than one year. Besides a somewhat perfect storm of natural calamities, there also appears to have been the type of phenomenon of social violence solely targeted at the respective royals of the fallen kingdoms.

    If I remember right the pork taboo was only in a subset of the new Israel region, but in any case, we can't be sure that this pork business started with early Moses like (Egyptian) proscriptions, or were later profitably co-opted by Moses's proscriptions canonized in such as the Persian era redactions.
    Ellis identifies the unnamed Egyptian prince of the Scotichronicon as likely being Ay. The story has this prince and his Egyptian princess being told to leave and they do so in a fair size naval flotilla. Meaning it was fairly organized. It is understood that the city of Akhetaton was abandoned in a rapid yet orderly fashion, meaning there was no military violence to this. If so, then the court of Akhenaton indeed had to go somewhere. If the character later known as Moses was indeed centrally involved in this 'exile' then such as the Muslims assert that this refuge was at the place that became Petra, in Edom (the land supposedly of red-headed Esau). And/or maybe Akhenaton spent some time with his royal ancestors in Mittani-land (later to become the source of the Aramaic language), also familiar to Abraham's roots.

    Perhaps the exiled court of Akhenaton became the impetus for the foundations of Zoroastrianism, of which then informed the Persian era redactions? We can be fairly certain that the merging and distillation process was not fully complete by the time of the final redactions because of the need to include such as the El and Yahweh doublets.
    Well, if the 18th and 19th Dynasties were indeed highly cuckholded by such as the Mittani and/or Hyksos, then perhaps there may be something to this. But I suspect it is more agenda driven.
  13. Richard Stanley

    Richard Stanley Administrator

    We must also remember that even inside Amarna itself that the workers constructing the city were generally not true believers, as many of their homes have been discovered with shrines to the traditional gods and goddesses. It was more likely that those interested in pushing the monotheistic agenda were upper class, either of the priest class and/or of the administrative and noble classes, even like-minded foreign diplomats attending court. As I discussed in The Genesis of Western False Dialectic in the Old Testament, excerpted below, it would be centuries later, yet still inside the latter-day Judges period that priestly texts emerged expressing such monotheistic expressions acosss a broad swath of geography near the same timeframe. Challenging religious forms is not only a big cultural problem for the masses, but by extension is is even more so for their ruling elites.

    Steps towards a Globally Harmonized Religion

    The elite have two great and long-standing ambitions, which were expressly stated many times in the ancient canonical literatures of the Hebrews, Greeks and Romans. The first of these long desired ambitions, the universal harmonization of spiritual beliefs and practices, could be seen as beneficial to wider humanity; that is, if such a uniform belief system for all mankind would be a suitable price to pay for those benefits. The second ambition, a pathological greed for accumulating great material wealth and power based on a sense of class or caste entitlement, seems obviously and mundanely crass. Conceivably there could be other motives, but that possibility will be beyond the scope of this series. Whatever the case, the first ambition serves and helps to disguise the second. Religion, as has been observed frequently by the more astute, is a tool of the political elite class that plays on the continuing neuroses of the gullible and/or to the wiles of ambitious sycophants. As such, the development of monotheism was an important part of this agenda.

    The global aspect of these ambitions can be traced at least back to ~1000 BCE. Thomas McEvilley in his The Shape of Ancient Thought (ch.2) discusses approximately simultaneous textual assertions from that time, demonstrating priestly desires for subtle transitions from polytheism to pantheism. That is, they began to poetically express the view that all the gods are merely different exoteric aspects (or parts of the body) of one underlying supreme god that permeates all existence. It is highly plausible that these texts were produced by collaborating priesthoods from India, Mesopotamia, and Egypt. Such a collaboration also implies, in our opinion, the existence of a parallel motive by the respective priesthoods’ secular ruling counterparts. Perhaps their goal was to establish (or re-establish?) a uniform global caste system. If so, this would encompass the second, greed-based motive within a spiritual cloak. Of course, the credulous can still claim that such expressions were only part of God’s planned process of gradual ‘revelation’.

    The gradual transition of religious form can also be seen when reading the Old Testament, or Tanakh. The oldest texts acknowledge the existence of all the polytheistic gods, but the focus gradually shifts jealously to the ‘one’ real god, confusingly known by several names. The plural elohim were originally part of the wider Canaanite pantheon. Yahweh was possibly a rank outsider, mirroring Abraham’s insinuation into Canaan. (For more on Judaic polytheism, also see Margaret Barker, The Great Angel: A Study of Israel’s Second God). The rise to the top by this junior sibling god is echoed in the Judaic narratives of Jacob and Joseph, among others. These were younger brothers who also arose to prominence, defying cultural norms of primogeniture. ...


    Additionally, we will soon meet not only the EgyptoLords' messengers, the angels, but an EgyptoLord's army will assist one of the judges against his adversaries. Did this army of the Lord come from Heaven, or from Egypt?

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