Group Think

"it's just easier to let the Church decide what [he] should think."
Welcome Marcilla,

Who is [he] might I ask? God perhaps? It's mostly from the manner of the words "what he should think.

What I had stated is part of my interpretation about Communion. The Christian eucharist has roots in older beliefs and was distilled down to what it is today, and of course, as such the Church has its own sanitized explanation for what it all means and what it is supposed to do for one. Did the priest explain that as well as what transubstantiation itself is? And was he giving the Church's explanation, or his?

'IKR', that's a new one on me, thx.
 
Who is [he] might I ask? God perhaps?

You are quite welcome, and thank you for the greetings.

With regard to your question, I'm sorry I did not say that more clearly. The "he" in question was the speaker - the priest. It was easier for the priest to let the Church decide for him what he should believe, rather than try to figure it out for himself.

Personally, I find that a far less rewarding prospect, but then again, people tell me I have a tendency to "overthink things." In any event, I recognize that my own values do not invalidate the "logic" of the priest's statement.

I do not recall the priest saying much more about the ritual. Then again, I was confirmed in the United Methodist Church, which is closely related to the Roman Church in the Western liturgical tradition, so I received the official story at some point.

In my understand, the ritual of communion has a consistent logic. The supplicant takes the host and the cup, symbolizing the body and blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. In doing so, the supplicant ritualistically becomes one with the body (and blood) of their Lord. Biologically, the consumed elements are integrated into the supplicant's body (and blood), therefore the contents of the host and cup become part of the literal body of one who (by their ritual consumption of the elements) is, in turn, part of the body of Christ (figuratively).

As for the roots, I presume they are to be found in the Mystery Cults? But my understanding is that all detailed knowledge of them has been lost
 
With regard to your question, I'm sorry I did not say that more clearly. The "he" in question was the speaker - the priest. It was easier for the priest to let the Church decide for him what he should believe, rather than try to figure it out for himself.
Oh, OK, that makes sense. But of course, the Roman Church (and some others) wants the same thing for the parishioner as well as the priest. That is, to be the sole interface to God, and to be the sole interpreter of the message(s), like the oracles of before and such.
In my understand, the ritual of communion has a consistent logic. The supplicant takes the host and the cup, symbolizing the body and blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. In doing so, the supplicant ritualistically becomes one with the body (and blood) of their Lord. Biologically, the consumed elements are integrated into the supplicant's body (and blood), therefore the contents of the host and cup become part of the literal body of one who (by their ritual consumption of the elements) is, in turn, part of the body of Christ (figuratively).

As for the roots, I presume they are to be found in the Mystery Cults? But my understanding is that all detailed knowledge of them has been lost
Generally speaking, yes, it is connected to such as the communion rite of Dionysus. But in reality I think it extends back much further, as does the Jewish concept of the scapegoat, which roots can still be witnessed in primitive societies today. Certain tribal people would consume preparations of such as a deceased relatives brain so as to maintain reverential contact with them. Warriors would consume the blood of their vanquished enemies so as to garner their power. (Donald Trump would likely say why would he want to garner the power of a loser though.)

Ironically, the concept of everyone becoming one with Jesus, and thus with God, seems at odds with the Roman Church's insistence on being the sole intermediary. In any case, I believe that like secret society rites, including initiations, and including such as Greek fraternities and sororities, that such a rite is intended for increased bonding through the respective perversity of the rite. In one regard who can complain about people wanting to create unifying principles? My problem is that there is something wrong with the object of focus, even if sanitized.
 
Hello Marcilla and Collectivist, thanks for your comments.

religion itself can be harmful but to throw the baby out with the bath water is wrong. There is something within Christian, Islamic and Judaic faith that is fundamentally important for a society to function morally while at the same time, certain elements that make it corrosive.

Perhaps this is the guiding principle behind the evolution of these practices. That is, if there is some magical benefit to consumption of human flesh, perhaps early reformers hoped that the same benefit could be obtained by symbolically consuming a wafer and grape juice, without needing to actually kill anyone.

Or, one might speculate that at one time it was seen as necessary to castrate one's male slaves, and that circumcision might have evolved as a kindler, gentler means of asserting the Lord's dominance.

And in historical perspective, I would agree that these were great steps forward. But I'm not sure I understand how they are still helpful today.

Is it possible to be more specific about the aspect of Abrahamic faith that is essential for society to function morally? I feel on the contrary, that paying homage to any of these ancient religions in any form, serves only to enable the worst, most reactionary and fundamentalist elements.

There are many Christians who find the infiltration of sexual deviants into the church a disgrace. But I must ask you the following ... what other organized religion condones disgusting rituals such as metzitzah b'peh?

Perhaps we have unwittingly triggered a Catholic vs. Protestant dialectic here. Within the Catholic church, it doesn't matter much what "many Christians" think, since the institution is operated hierarchically, and the Pope and the bishops, while not exactly making child abuse an officially sanctioned practice, have virtually "condoned" it by virtue of the extremely limited steps taken against it. Protestants have generally allowed the clergy access to typical heterosexual mating strategies, which I see as another big historical step forward.

I'm not a fan of circumcision in general, but in the context of the ancient world, it was an improvement over castration. As to metzitzah b'peh: saliva has antiseptic properties and enzymes that promote healing, so in that ancient context, it probably often saved the lives of infants who couldn't lick their own wounds. With modern medical technology, it does seem outmoded -- but I think your insinuation that pedophilia is the primary motive, is is unfair even today.

And in general I think it's counter-productive to put much effort into proving that one version of Abrahamic fundamentalism is much better or worse than another.

I don't look for them in Wikipedia (sorry Jerry but your constant referencing of that site as a source of truth is laughable).

Sorry if I'm giving the impression that I would view it as a source of "Truth". It is, however, a convenient way to get an overview of most any topic, albeit slanted towards a "mainstream" perspective.
 
Canadian Jerk Judge Protects Christians who kill their Child with Maple Syrup

The jury convicted the parents, but the Jerke let them off easy, even letting the wife attend church.

The maximum penalty for failing to provide the necessaries of life is five years in prison. Justice Rodney Jerke did not set a sentencing date. That’s to be decided at a court appearance on June 13. The Stephans were not taken into custody.

“This case is not yet over, but a big chapter has come to a close,” Jerke said. He noted that you only had to look at the faces of the jurors to tell “this was a difficult case.”

Crown prosecutor Lisa Weich said the charge of failing to provide the necessaries of life ensures that people who cannot care for themselves receive the minimal standard of care expected by society. “They definitely, definitely loved their son but as stated in our closing arguments, unfortunately sometimes love just isn’t enough,” Weich said outside court. “Parents still have to follow a standard of care as set by criminal law.”

Did you catch that? The maximum sentence was 5 years in prison. The actual sentence, which came down this week, wasn’t even close to that. A father has been sentenced to four months in jail and his wife to three months of house arrest after being found guilty of failing to provide the necessaries of life for their 19-month-old son, who died from bacterial meningitis.



Justice Rodney Jerke said the Stephans were caring parents and neither intended to put the boy’s life at risk. So their well-intentioned homicidal ignorance resulted in a more lenient sentence. By the way, Collet’s “house arrest” isn’t even that. She’s allowed to leave the house to go to church.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...with-maple-syrup-get-super-lenient-sentences/

I only use real maple syrup from Vermont.
 
As the Trump administration enters the second week of rule, I think it is becoming obvious that Donald was not just talking but acting on his promises to reform the nation.

The Zionists are now in somewhat of a panic as their plans to destabilize western countries and ethnically cleanse the native people from their lands in the name of "equality" and "human rights" is being exposed for what it truly is. Of course there will be the impressionable PC youth who will be used as useful idiots to perpetuate the Zionist agenda and lies, as Yuri Bezmenov accurately described but with time, even these idiots will become marginalized (hopefully) as criminals such as Soros and his ilk will be held responsible for the destructive riots they finance.

Trump's recent moves include banning citizens from certain nations from entering the US. The propagandists will of course use this as evidence he is a racist but the reality is Trump MUST do this to prevent the carnage now taking place in Europe.Just take a look at what awaits the US if it does not follow through with its tough stance on immigration and yes, the wall which should be built.
The actors on both sides of this divide have been carefully molded by Zionist supremacists to divide and conquer the US from within. Unfortunately, Trump understands that the situation is dire and that his actions must be swift and decisive because the globalists will fight him tooth and nail on the the issue of immigration.

So far so good Donald, but one week is not enough to prove to us that you are truly sincere in fighting the globalist threat but as I have said in the past, I will judge him by his actions, not words.
 
So Agent Orange is just screwing the Christian Zionists like the Bushes and the others did? If so, what are all those Zionists doing in his administration. Especially Bannon and Pompeo? And his Jewish daughter and son-in-law?

I thought the 9/11 attackers came from Saudia Arabia as well as Yemen? Why not Egypt as well? It's because he has business interests in those countries, which he should be impeached for.

The seven nations targeted for new visitation restrictions by President Donald Trump on Friday all have something in common: They are places he does not appear to have any business interests.

The executive order he signed Friday bars all entry for the next 90 days by travelers from Syria, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia and Libya. Excluded from the lists are several majority-Muslim nations where the Trump Organization is active and which in some cases have also faced troublesome issues with terrorism.

According to the text of the order, the restriction applies to countries that have already been excluded from programs allowing people to travel to the United States without a visa because of concerns over terrorism. Hewing closely to nations already named as terrorism concerns elsewhere in law might have allowed the White House to avoid angering some more powerful and wealthy majority Muslim allies, such as Egypt. ...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...immigration-conflicts-20170128-story,amp.html
Does Agent Orange inspire you to give up on hunting child abusers, given his low moral record? He stated on the air that he would like to date his daughter. Would you like to date your daughter? He knowingly walked into a dressing room full of naked teenage girls. Would you like to do so, because it was "your capitalist right". Or are you able to compartmentalize?

Isn't the Christian religious corpus essentially globalist, if not downright Zionist (Revelation 14)? Maybe you don't really understand what's going on? Or worse, maybe you do?

Agent Orange said nothing when the Israelis announced more housing construction in the West Bank. He's talking about moving the American embassy to Jerusalem. Maybe he's doing all this because this will precipitate the military conflict that he and his Jesuit staff want. As I have posted elsewhere, his personal moral opposition to 'Christ' is all to distract the focus from his and his puppeteers real aims. He is the Zionist's apocalyptic Trojan wHorse, and you just let him in the gates to Troy.
 
Well, it appears that we agree on one thing, at least. And that thing is that all this is about globalism versus nationalism.

Actually, you can find lot's of 'liberal' MSM discussion about globalism versus nationalism (besides that of the progressives or Progressives). Your common hangup about liberals versus conservatives prevents you from seeing your own internal contradictions. This is what allowed the oh so Christian Germans to be pulled under the Nazi's sway, and they paid a heavy price.

Don't worry, the Christian canon asserts that there will indeed be 'nations' at the end. They will all answer to one authority. And the cronies will prevail. But, only because the nationalists rally behind faux populists, false messiahs. That's what the Jewish nationalists did vis-a-vis the Maccabees. The Maccabees were really Hellenists. Thanks to your Alexander.
 
Have you been sealed? A Zionist secret society? From the last book of the Christian Bible:

1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. (Revelation 14)​


4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. (Revelation 7)​
 
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Nationalism means different things to different people. The knee-jerk reaction is to associate it with Nazi Germany, who were indeed nationalist but so too were the founding fathers who warned against foreign entanglements.

Huge difference

It remains to be seen which of the two interpretations of nationalism the current president abides by. His strong anti-refugee views, to me, is a practical one given the horrendous migrant crisis sweeping Europe. I believe the founding fathers, under similar circumstances, would have adopted a similar agenda to save the Republic.

Migrants are being used as a weapon, by the globalists, to usher in revolution and instability across all western countries. Those who cannot see this obvious fact should seriously research this deeper. Trump needs to eliminate the threat through proper vetting of immigrants and ignore the media outcry that his actions are 'un-american'.

As for Trump, I think many people under-estimate him on so many levels and although I could be wrong about him, he might be looking to complete the job JFK was unable to finish. To me, if he challenges the Federal Reserve and has plans to back the US currency to gold and silver after a currency crisis, he will definitely have my attention.
 
Migrants are being used as a weapon, by the globalists, to usher in revolution and instability across all western countries. Those who cannot see this obvious fact should seriously research this deeper. Trump needs to eliminate the threat through proper vetting of immigrants and ignore the media outcry that his actions are 'un-american'.
Well, I agree with you again ... that migrants are being used as a weapon, by the globalists. How about that?

The problem for you and your millions of followers is that this is the very strategy and tactic that was used to populate the New World. Because I know in advance, by experience with others like you, that you will compartmentalize history. Thus, seeing yourself as the proper Chosen People (instead of the Jews), that you have the Postmodernist dispensation to ignore anything outside the Box that you want to, that you find inconvenient to your perceived cause. Therefore, you can ignore the plight of the American indigenous people, because they don't matter. Only your civilized selves are capable of determining which children should be raped, killed, and groped versus others.

500 years ago, instead of the Muslims being whipped into a frenzy and being forced to flee, it was the common people of Europe (the ancestors of those you now profess to care so much about) who decided they needed to flee Europe because of the 'other' crazy Christians, whichever side they were on.

From my perspective, my America, the one that I grew up in, disappeared long before Trump. This is because the descendants of the same assholes that created the migration 'problem' 500 years ago, decided (programmatically) to ecumenically heal (and forget) the past religious wounds. Back in the day, my day, Catholics were considered moral degenerate scum. They were drunkard, adulterers who sacrificed their children to child raping priests. They did the latter because they were ashamed that the same thing had happened to them.

Now, after Vatican II ecumenicism and the degeneracy campaign that Joe Atwill rails about, occurring at the very same time, just who runs this country now Collectivist? All branches of the government (right or left) are controlled by Jesuit influenced Catholics, the (right and left) MSM talking heads, and the alt-right agit-prop machine. Probably much of the wacko extreme left as well.

I understand that this is the realpolitik, but you, like a programmed robot, want to convince us that your delusions are reality. That is, when you're not out protecting children with your neoNazi media materials.

Unlike you, I know that Trump will not touch the Fed. The only thing that would convince me that he is not a globalist is him actually returning all the Catholics to their country of origin. Even better, all the Christians. Trump would not have a conundrum here, because he is not a Christian, just a degenerate.

You are a globalist and don't know it.
 
From my perspective, my America, the one that I grew up in, disappeared long before Trump. This is because the descendants of the same assholes that created the migration 'problem' 500 years ago, decided (programmatically) to ecumenically heal (and forget) the past religious wounds. Back in the day, my day, Catholics were considered moral degenerate scum.

Isn't this just another version of the "degeneracy" scenario? You're asking us to envision some golden age that we've degenerated from, and picturing a way of life that is being lost?

You're asking us to picture "my America" as one where "mainstream Protestants" anchored the country, and prevented the "degenerate scum" Catholics from emerging from whatever ghettos they were captured in? But, weren't those same mainstream Protestants among the leaders in the ecumenical movement?

For that matter, weren't at least some Protestant leaders ~500 years ago, complicit with the Catholics in creating those religious schisms? Didn't Protestant leaders benefit from colonialism? Minor doctrinal quibbles aside, how has Protestantism ever been anything other than a form of crypto-Catholicism?

To the extent that the Jewish elite can even be distinguished from the Catholic Church and the Jesuits, whether on the basis of genetics or creed -- isn't your analysis downplaying the importance of the Jewish element?
 
Isn't this just another version of the "degeneracy" scenario? You're asking us to envision some golden age that we've degenerated from, and picturing a way of life that is being lost?
I'm not defending "My Lost America" Jerry, but I'm mocking Collectivist's, the populists', and the race nationalists' myopic POV. But, OK, if we have to roll back the clock, then it certainly does indeed need to be so that I can rightfully be at the top of the chimpig pile. I'm sure that Collectivist would agree with me here, even as he is riding his boat back to Greece. We don't need no stinking lazy Mediterranean types here.

Collectivist is a Liberal, who thinks that he and his family has some Right to come sponge off of us decent volk. BS!!!

You're asking us to picture "my America" as one where "mainstream Protestants" anchored the country, and prevented the "degenerate scum" Catholics from emerging from whatever ghettos they were captured in? But, weren't those same mainstream Protestants among the leaders in the ecumenical movement?
Two wrongs don't make a right, Jerry. I hope you're not going to bring up that George Washington slept in Catholic mansions. Don't go there Jerry.

For that matter, weren't at least some Protestant leaders ~500 years ago, complicit with the Catholics in creating those religious schisms? Didn't Protestant leaders benefit from colonialism? Minor doctrinal quibbles aside, how has Protestantism ever been anything other than a form of crypto-Catholicism?
How dare you!!!

To the extent that the Jewish elite can even be distinguished from the Catholic Church and the Jesuits, whether on the basis of genetics or creed -- isn't your analysis downplaying the importance of the Jewish element?
How so? By bringing up that the last book of the Christian Bible is Zionist and says that 12K each, of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi are amongst the 144K celibate male Hebrews in the secret society of the religion that Collectivist says does wonderful things? I mean, if it wasn't for these Egyptian religions he'd still be back in Greece, wondering about how his people got there from Egypt.

Besides, when Collectivist's conservative anarchist (oxymoronic) nations of 'peoples' take back control from the ZOG, they'll need people like Collectivist to fight off their neighbors, all sooner or later looking for their lebensraum, given that birth control will be off the menu. They'll still be subject to the whims of megalomaniac leaders, whether organic or staged.

The elites have understood the nationalist / globalist dynamic for a long, long time, going back to at least that phony red-headed Greek, Alexander. And they have understood how to play the populists, by such as providing them with their own trumpeting stooges, faux populists. In this case the current stooge is such an extreme caricature, that they are mocking us all, like they did on 9/11.

Unfortunately Collectivist does not want to take the time to learn what our position is, rather he superficially thinks that he understands better that there is some hope left in the Republic. It was all rigged from the beginning. Or he's just a low level actor, dutifully carrying someone else's water. Just reading the talking points, unable to to engage beyond incoherently resorting to irrelevant labels. Our founding fathers were 'liberals', ... just ignore that Biblically justified slave business though.

When the promised Biblical nations of peoples come about, you can be certain that there will be many 'peoples' that will yet be serfing the others. And all will answer to one, as this is the conservative agenda.
 
Ok, but even if the world is controlled by the Catholic Conspiracy, and the Catholic Conspiracy is secretly run by the Jesuit Conspiracy, and the Jesuit Conspiracy is secretly run by the Jewish Conspiracy, and the Jewish Conspiracy by the Kabbalist Conspiracy, and them by the Ephraimian Conspiracy, David Icke still says they're all subservient to the Reptillian Conspiracy, and science still says that even one's shiniest tin foil chapeau won't save them from the mind control techniques of the Toxoplasma Gondiian Conspiracy!

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Here you go Jerry, from a reply to Richard back in Feb 2015 ...

Speaking now about corrupt academics and intellectuals, there are not too many more dangerous than Noam Chomsky. This fraud has corrupted the minds of far too many so-called intellectuals and for good reason; that is his job. He is tasked with leading his flock away from so-called conspiracy theory where truth really resides. As a gatekeeper, he is no different than Alex Jones but serves up his brand of propaganda to a different type of audience. A far more influential class of sheep.

He has created a legion of globalist apologetic dunces who hang on to his every word and fail to see what his role truly is. Many might feel conflicted with Chomsky's unwillingness to embrace 911 truth or his lack of interest around the Kennedy assassination or any type of conspiratorial views of history. His utter contempt for people like Ron Paul is another red flag for me because Ron Paul's message does resonate with so many in the Chomsky camp but they are conditioned to steer clear from anything to do with Ron Paul.

I am sure followers of Noam Chomsky sometimes have a hard time reconciling their feelings because they fail to confront their cognitive dissonance. The blind adoration of the man is truly sickening. The man is dangerous because of what he selectively leaves out of his writing and commentary. You need to dig deeper and reading Chomsky alone will never get you there.

Chomsky's job is simple: To discredit and demonize the United States by placing blame on the world's problems at the feet of this abstract and faceless entity. This is by design to justify the adoption of one world government and it also explains why he often legitimizes globalist agencies such as the UN and World Court. His only condemnation of institutions such as the UN is that it is corrupted by nation states. If you are unable to pick up such nuances, you will be unable to understand Chomsky.

What Chomsky doesn't do is expose the men behind the curtain who truly run the various nation states through their various puppets and secret society networks. If you want to learn who the true power brokers are, you must examine the inner workings of the B'nai Brith lodge, the most influential and powerful of all mason lodges among the many that exist today along with the Hasidic Chabad Lubavitchers who secretly push the occult agenda in various ways to pollute the minds of Jew and Gentile alike. I will have more posts in the future with regards to the Zohar, Kabbalah and how Jewish mysticism is behind much of the decay we now see in society and culture.

Chomskites are the most indoctrinated, feeble minded folks I know because they are conditioned to never venture outside the boundaries set forth by their great messiah lest they be shunned and ridiculed. It is a very effective tactic and keeps the sheep in line. Alex Jones shares a similar modus operandi albeit with a different brand of sheep.

The truth is there, but you have to be prepared to break ranks with everyone and everything and develop strong critical thinking skills. Listen to everyone, follow no one.

Was I wrong Jerry?
 
Listen to the "shock" and "surprise" expressed by leftists such The Grayzone's Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate ...


I was NOT shocked and things are playing out exactly as the script calls for ...

Now ... re-read my 9 year old post above and I hope you can start to connect the dots by listening carefully at the language used by Max in his podcast and having the necessary context to understand what this "Righteous Jew" is trying to socially engineer us into ...

Max says in that podcast ...
I was shocked because the ICC is historically a tool of the West, it is a highly politicized court ... a case manufactured by the US State Department.
These globalist institutions who were once seen as a corrupting influence were "captured" by US influence. This narrative will now change as the globalist white knigts work tirelessly to dismantle evil nationalist fascism which is zionism and us hegemony...

Again, this is exactly what I said would occur ...
Chomsky's job is simple: To discredit and demonize the United States by placing blame on the world's problems at the feet of this abstract and faceless entity. This is by design to justify the adoption of one world government and it also explains why he often legitimizes globalist agencies such as the UN and World Court. His only condemnation of institutions such as the UN is that it is corrupted by nation states. If you are unable to pick up such nuances, you will be unable to understand Chomsky.
All theatre ... all false choices ...
 
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Was I wrong Jerry?

Did I say you were wrong, even back then? What I did, was to point out that Chomsky's views are not so different from yours, when it comes to the idea that Jews (and their allies) are among the most privileged and influential people, and they are seeking total control.

One theatrical aspect of this, is: the Zionist Jews (Chabad, Rothschilds, Bnai Brith, etc.) and their Christian Zionist allies, are willing to use either nation-states, globalist entities, or both, in service of their goals.

As such, Blumenthal and Mate correctly observe that the ICC (as well as the UN, WEF, WHO etc) are often simply co-opted by Zionist and nationalist interests, to the extent that it's often hard to tell any difference. The recent ICC action seems to go against this script, and so it seems very surprising, and so they applaud it.

You are saying that even when the ICC appears to go AGAINST the Zionists, seeking to bring criminal charges against Netanyahu and seeking to condemn the joint Israeli / US action in Gaza as a genocide, we need to step back and see this as merely a cynical ploy? That Chomsky, Blumenthal and Mate are Jewish Wolves in Sheep's Clothing, appearing to support the general public and the "global south" while in fact preparing a global Zionist takeover?

I suppose it's possible. How can one look in Max Blumenthal's soul (or Mate. or Chomsky) and find out what's really lurking inside? I can well understand that you'd be more comfortable with their sincerity, if they weren't Jewish.

The ICC prosecutor, Karim Ahmad Khan, also appears in your video. He is said to be half Pakistani, half British, educated at King's College and Oxford, and a member of the fundamentalist Ahmadi Muslim sect. It seems very likely to me, that elite Muslims are an integral part of this Zionist scam.
 
Jerry, you still don't get it ... Zionistm IS nationalism ... Israel was created so that it could be destroyed ... The founders of the state of Israel were the biggest anti semites and were not only the architects of Israel's creation, which is what WWI was about, but also responsible for the holocaust, to get Jews to populate Israel, and the SAME group responsible for its coming destruction ...

Please go read Pawns in the Game, and the Protocols ... Hopefully this stuff will eventually start to sink in ...
 
Hi Collectivist,

Jerry, you still don't get it ...

The question is: whether I don't get it, or whether I don't entirely agree with it? Or, possibly both. Let's see....

Zionistm IS nationalism ...

Zionism is a TYPE of nationalism. There are 193 nominally "sovereign" states in the UN, and each and every one of them is a center for its own unique brand of nationalism. Zionism is centered in the nation of Israel, and yet it attempts to co-opt any other nationality that it can, to further its goals. The existing government of the USA is controlled to a large extent by Zionists, and yet there is also a White Nationalist brand of American nationalism (typified by such as Andrew Anglin) which is distinct from Zionism and opposed to it.

Israel was created so that it could be destroyed ...

Perhaps, we shall see. Elite Jews and their allies are opportunistic. If they can meet their goals of world domination by using Israel and the USA as power centers, they'll do that. If Israel and/or the USA wind up destroyed, they will try to use the UN and globalist institutions to rise from the ashes if they can. I don't believe that the future is fully determined, or that either strategy is a guaranteed winner.

The founders of the state of Israel were the biggest anti semites

True in several senses. First of all, to the extent that the original Palestinian Arabs were the real "semites" and even the European Jews were more European than Semitic. Second, that the true founders of Israel were British and American, and it was founded as a military outpost, to control the oil wealth of the region. Third, that the founders were opposed to those Orthodox Jews who believed that there should be no return to Jerusalem until the coming of the Messiah.

But as "British Israelites", the Anglo founders believed that their destiny as Christian Zionists, was to help the Jewish founders establish their Jewish Zionist state. They were a team, and they conceived of themselves as the ultimate embodiment of pro-Jewishness. Even to the extent that they participated in the "holocaust", they saw this as a pro-Jewish long term strategy.

Please go read Pawns in the Game, and the Protocols ...

We've discussed Carr, the Protocols and the Pike letter before. They're interesting historical sources of dubious provenance, and I certainly don't accept them as some sort of authoritative prophesy or voice of God.

LOL!! Richard is the most highly venerated source here, and he predicted the coming of Space Jesus in a flying saucer. Did "Pawns in the Game" or the "Protocols" predict Space Jesus??? Carr and Fake Pike and the Elders of Zion are not fit to wash Richard's feet!!

And yet, I also tell you, Richard was just another bozo on the bus. I'll believe in Space Jesus when I see him coming on the clouds.
 
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