Group Think

[Richard Stanley]

Christianity is not the problem we face today, however; Jewish mysticism and the occult, however is far more dangerous.

What I am trying to understand is the morality of those who wish to rule as I believe strongly they are pushing an agenda to force us all into accepting it. The video I presented earlier about the Kabballah is but a glimpse at how society is being conditioned to legitimize the occult not only within the spiritual or religious realm, but within the scientific and philosophical realms as well. I hope to describe this more in another post as it pertains to the growing Lubavitch movement.

Now about the New Age agenda. I do not believe it is due to biblical prophesy as you claim is my position, however this is how it is contextualized by various Messianic groups. The agenda is very real but it is through the works of fraudulent mystics that it is being carried out. Einstein is an example of such a mystic who has led the scientific community into believing increasingly bizarre theories. It is all bullshit but sadly sheep are beginning to make the false connection between Kabbalah and modern science.
This is the tactic known as "seeding" and is often employed by "hidden hands" to inspire people to delude themselves.​

It appears that you have a much better handle on this than I do, and while I agree with you that Kabbalah is not science, it has been more aptly described by Nicholas De Vere, at least and for all his enigmas, as just one society's parallel cultural elaboration derived from a prior and much more widespread system of viewing (not control of) of the workings of existence. As such, are you now going to tell us that the shamen of South America, and elsewhere, who describe various such phenomenon (e.g. DNA) that match current science are Lubavitchers? Is Fritjof Capra's Tao of Physics part of this same conspiracy, or is that an Aryan one that also includes Confucius?

I was once classified a reductionist for having views like yours, but am now forced to conclude that I must expand my prior conception of Reality than just the Cartesian sandbox you want to stay in. If not, you might force me to conclude that electrons don't exist, and that metal objects can't fly or float. Or that nuclear reactions, and explosions, are a Jesuit illusion (like the Big Bang). They can all be explained by homotrons. If I can't see it, it doesn't exist.

Of course, most of your (and our) personal 3D space is filled with the Void, and science says that the only reason that you can see your otherwise hidden hand, is that via its illumination by wavelengths sufficiently long that it can interfere with the elusive 'matter' that makes up the incredibly small portion of an atom's nucleus. Without which, you could not see anyone, much less your hand, and would think they are all spooks (pun intended).

The meme "Inside Job" is just another attempt at demonizing the United States and deflecting blame from the Zionists who actually carried out the operation along with the Rockefeller clan that fateful day.​

Regarding my aforementioned unwanted demons, I have tried everything under the illuminated sun, and maybe more, to expel them excepting voodoo and acid. Well, I have tried several acids, actually, but I mean that other kind. Maybe it is time that we both tried. Short of a miracle, my illuminating wick has been cut short, and they say that it provides comfort, at least, to many. Though I think that this really applies to those who have been so have not yet managed to fully escape the delusional Bad Cage that Augustus and Titus put us in. I have already escaped, so in addition to just being an interesting trip, perhaps my demons might decide on seeking a new home.

The United States, and all nations (your precious nationalities) are just a human abstraction, a manner of a cage. The Buddhists teach that you must detach from your 'attachments' before you can grasp the extent of living and experiencing fully. Release yours and this will allow you to see more clearly.

But take us on a trip, one way or another, as all this has been been useful nonetheless, and time is short. I don't care what thread you want.

 

[Collectivist]

I find the electric universe concept quite interesting and I do believe the relativists are losing some ground in their monopoly of physics. I do not confess to being an expert in this field, however I do think measurements and so-called evidence can be manufactured to validate most anything if enough funding and pressure is employed to maintain the status quo. We need only look at the global warming scam and climate-gate to see that the scheme to tax carbon took the guise of a global calamity.

In terms of Hollywood movies, we must be very careful of the predictive programming techniques employed by the reality builders to shape our belief systems. The synchronicity you speak of in such films are planted for the purpose of blurring the lines between fantasy and reality. Staged events sometimes mirror the script played out on screen and the mind becomes conditioned subconsciously, preparing it to accept the story at some level.

Consider the case of Elisa Lam and the similarities with the movie Dark Water. When you follow this deeper it takes you into the work of Alister Crowley's writings. I think these coincidences are done purposefully and sometimes not for the general public but for a certain audience to add shock and awe to seed them into a certain belief system. The sandy hook references in the batman movie is another example.

There is a fantastic video I think you would like that shows how psy ops are used in movies and news to shape perception

 

[Collectivist]

Hi Collectivist,

If you'd like to understand our views on Christianity and its ethics, you might start here:

http://postflaviana.org/introduction-flavian-origins-theory-christianity/

Thanks for the link Jerry,

So after reading through that article seeking for an honest criticism of Christian morality, what I was left with instead was a small comment about pacifism and obedience to Rome. Perhaps I missed it in the article so I will try again: Where in that link does it describe the criticisms of Christian virtues and morals? Tell me in simple terms what is so offensive? For my part, I have already explained that it is the practice of idol worship, the elevation of Christ's divinity that is so corrosive. Too many Christians concentrate on this aspect of their faith and often neglect Christ's humanity and rebellious nature. In fact, I tend to believe "pacifism and obedience" was something added shortly after the death of Jesus by those with an agenda to redefine and disarm the original message.

The apostle Paul never had any direct relationship with Jesus and it was only through Paul's mystical visions that he was able to modify Christianity in such a way as to disarm this Jewish sect. This was because the message was indeed dangerous to both the Jewish and Roman establishment. I think there is strong evidence to suggest that the early teachings of Christ's message were meant for his Jewish followers and not for the Gentiles. The purpose of the first Christians, those who knew the man directly such as his immediate family and first converts, was to challenge the spiritual monopoly of the high priests of the Jewish faith at the time, specifically their corruption as well as opposition to Roman oppression.

Consider how this "pacifist" deals with the money changers within the temple:
Then Jesus went into the Temple, threw out everyone who was selling and buying in the Temple, and overturned the moneychangers' tables and the chairs of those who sold doves.
Yes, obedience to "God" remains and this was simply a carry over from the Jewish faith but there was more to this early movement that has managed to survive, even today. There exists something more endearing, virtuous, moral and ever dangerous to the establishment; you just have to sift through the revisionism that continues to this day by Catholics, Evangelicals, Protestants and, yes, sadly, PostFlavian forum members including myself.

To the credit of many Christians, they have done an admiral job of exposing the corruption and wickedness in the world today at great personal risk. The courage to do so may very well be a product of their faith and the teachings found in their holy books, as compromised as they may be. I myself cannot be labeled a Christian because I do not subscribe to Christ's divinity and I do not accept him as my Lord but unlike many on this forum, I have an admiration and respect for many of the teachings found within this religious faith. Some of the best researchers, intellectuals and thinkers are devout Christians who are to able to persevere in this terribly liberal, post-modernist, collectivist politically correct environment and thank goodness for that. I find it rather cowardly, the reaction of some to the videos I posted simply because it covers matters that are uncomfortable but it is what it is.

With regards to Christianity and the substance of its original message, I examine the Letters of James who was in my view in opposition to Paul but Christians themselves would never admit to that since the New Testament is revered in its entirety and it also seems to speak to Jew and Gentile alike. James and the movement he carried forward shortly after his brothers death demonstrates a very Jewish position and, as such, represents a sect of the existing Jewish faith as it was understood and reinterpreted by Jesus and those who inspired him.

LISTEN TO EVERYONE, FOLLOW NO ONE

So when I "listen" to James's message, I see much in there that I agree with, some of which not so much. Here is a short excerpt of one's interpretation:

Why is James so important?
The book of James looks a bit like the Old Testament book of Proverbs dressed up in New Testament clothes. Its consistent focus on practical action in the life of faith is reminiscent of the Wisdom Literature in the Old Testament, encouraging God’s people to act like God’s people. The pages of James are filled with direct commands to pursue a life of holiness. He makes no excuses for those who do not measure up. In the mind of this early church leader, Christians evidence their faith by walking in certain ways and not others. For James, a faith that does not produce real life change is a faith that is worthless (James 2:17).


What's the big idea?
In the opening of his letter, James called himself a bond-servant of God, an appropriate name given the practical, servant-oriented emphasis of the book. Throughout the book, James contended that faith produces authentic deeds. In other words, if those who call themselves God’s people truly belong to Him, their lives will produce deeds or fruit. In language and themes that sound similar to Jesus’s Sermon on the Mount, James rails against the hypocritical believer who says one thing but does another.

For James, faith was no abstract proposition but had effects in the real world. James offered numerous practical examples to illustrate his point: faith endures in the midst of trials, calls on God for wisdom, bridles the tongue, sets aside wickedness, visits orphans and widows, and does not play favorites. He stressed that the life of faith is comprehensive, impacting every area of our lives and driving us to truly engage in the lives of other people in the world. While James recognized that even believers stumble (James 3:2), he also knew that faith should not coexist with people who roll their eyes at the less fortunate, ignore the plight of others, or curse those in their paths.


How do I apply this?
More than any other book in the New Testament, James places the spotlight on the necessity for believers to act in accordance with our faith. How well do your actions mirror the faith that you proclaim? This is a question that we all struggle to answer well. We would like to point to all the ways our faith and works overlap but too often see only gaps and crevices.

As you read the letter from James, focus on those areas that he mentioned: your actions during trials, your treatment of those less fortunate, the way you speak and relate to others, and the role that money plays in how you live your life. Allow James to encourage you to do good, according to the faith you proclaim.

 

[Jerry Russell]

Hello Collectivist,

Thanks for reading my article. The variety of "Christian morals" that we specifically have a problem with, is the type of pro-Roman ethics based on deception, as found primarily in the Gospels and Pauline epistles. Even in those books, there is also much valuable (or at least harmless) moralizing.

Perhaps to distinguish itself from Catholicism or mainline Protestantism, the ethics you are espousing should be called "Jamesian" or "Sicariian" or even "Zealotry". I personally don't have any big problem with Zealots, aside from saying that James is very ancient, and other writers might be able to put this philosophy into a more modern form of expression. As Richard says, contextualization is important, and calling this ethic by the name of "Christianity" may be confusing, if not worse.

Attributing this philosophy to Jesus Christ opens another world of controversy. How can you claim to recover any truth about the "historical Jesus"? Whose apple cart was being upturned at the Temple, and why?

I can't especially recommend Richard Carrier's new book, except to say that it does do a pretty good job of demolishing the idea that we can know very much about this "brother of James" who might have been a leader or Messiah figure of the radical Jewish movement that fought the Romans in the 1st century.

Thanks to the wonders of Google, I was able to find out that your quote about James came from "The Bible-Teaching Ministry of Charles R. Swindoll". In the future, when you post quotes from other authors or websites, could you do us the courtesy of citing the source? Here is what Swindle says about the Book of Revelation:

http://www.insight.org/resources/bible/revelation.html

Why is Revelation so important?
The book of Revelation provides the clearest biblical portrait of the events of the tribulation, dealing with the specifics of that terrible time (chapters 4–18). The tribulation will be a time of judgment, a time when those left on the earth after the rapture will suffer deeply for their nonbelief. John pictured this judgment as a series of twenty-one events—inaugurated by the breaking of seven seals, the blowing of seven trumpets, and the pouring out of seven bowls. This grand judgment on the sinfulness of humanity shows the seriousness with which God views sin—payment will be exacted from those not covered by the blood of Jesus Christ.​

What do you think about that, Collectivist? Are you among the ones who will be raptured into heaven, or are you going to "suffer deeply for your nonbelief" along with us? As an agnostic leaning towards theism, perhaps you have some sort of opinion about that.

With your praise of the "best researchers, intellectuals and thinkers" who are "devout Christians", would you also praise those "devout Christians" who conquered the New World, committed genocide against the natives, and extracted a slave population from the humiliated continent of Africa? What they did was easily worse than Hitler. You haven't responded at all to Richard's analysis of "traditional American values" from that legendary time when America was allegedly "exceptional".

How dare you call us "cowards" for complaining about your Swastika-emblazoned video, when you are still cowering behind your anonymous moniker? Are you at risk of losing your cushy job if your identity is revealed as some sort of Nazi? Or conversely, what about all the brave Christian martyrs? The three of us operating this website, are posting under our own real names.

 

[Richard Stanley]

Great comments Jerry.

And my compliments to you Collectivist for realizing that there may have a real 'truth seeker' named Jesus amongst all those numerous Jesi that Josephus named. and that, if nothing else then that it appears Paul was a great deceiver. One might be able to find the remnants of that Jesus in the claims of the Roman infiltration of that movement, ala Paul, in the schism between the Ebionites and the Nazarenes.

If true, that Jesus would be just a man, like you or me. And there is obvious evidence that there were many early believers in that type of Jesus.

Thee was a really great society, if we can believe the accounts, called the Cathari, who because they had a more nuanced interpretation of old texts, in a continuous lineage including the Bogomils and others, were exterminated, or perhaps nearly so, by the Catholic Church. Supposedly even the nobility of the region sincerely participated. But this all was a challenge to the addiction of the Roman / Venetian system to the grossly disproportionate accumulation of wealth.

Similarly, there were communities of early Americans that did commendable things, and perhaps they were part of that underground stream. But the sad facts of European exploitation of the New World and elsewhere reveal consistently dark motives underneath the nice and exceptional rhetoric.

 

[Jerry Russell]

It's also worth mentioning that this zealous historical Jesus, if he existed, would have been Jewish. Would Collectivist then hold that the Romans were justified in everything that they did against this Jesus and his compatriots, because (as Collectivist said): "the poison of religion has infected Jews to a greater degree than some of the others. Indeed it is some of their beliefs and customs that have driven them out of so many Christian nations in the past."?

I wonder if Rome of that time was a "Christian nation", at least in the same way that any other nation persecuting the Jews collectively as a race could be called "Christian", even though Christianity as we know it, had not yet been invented? Collectivist's syntax in his above quoted statement is rather interesting, in that it is the "beliefs and customs" that have done the driving, rather than the people of those "Christian" nations.

Also, many people find a lot of wisdom & spiritual value in the writings of the Lubavitcher Rebbe. Should we then praise the "best researchers, intellectuals and thinkers" among the "devout" Lubavitchers, even though Chabad is ultimately such a reactionary fundamentalism?

 

[Richard Stanley]

Just to show that you can learn something every day, I was just informed that the Muslims believe that Jesus (we know as Christ Caesar), not Mohammed, will return as part of their End Times scenario. ISIS has apparently taken the town where part of this must occur. They want the troops of the West (really Christ Caesar's) and someone from eastern Persia to come kick their ass down to a remnant of 5,000, from which they will find their way to Jerusalem for the final battle, where they and Jesus (Christ Caesar) will then be globally victorious.

Now they are crowing that they are in reach of attacking Rome. Hmmm

All the little good sheep will come rallying to the aid of Christ Caesar, so that he can attack the Muslims.

But, first all the sheep must make sure that they have eaten their Jesus wafers and RITUALLY become 'fine young cannibals'. And because it is Rome under threat, the most faithful will be those that are sure that they are really eating a special part of Jesus, from the one part of his body that fits this geometric profile. This is how Christ Caesar mocks those who vainly believe they are members of his household and thus the 'Elect'.

All the saints salute you, chiefly they that are of Caesar's household. Phillipians 4:22​

Sounds like an interesting script, but Collectivist is 'agnostically' certain that this is all mumbo jumbo that we can ignore, except for the fine Abramic morals that he shares with all of them. Nothing to see here, move on, and look for some Lubavitchers, so that we wont wonder about what Christ Caesar is planning for our children.

Moloch > MLK > king = Caesar

Islam
Main articles: Jesus in Islam and Islamic eschatology
In Islam, Jesus (or Isa; Arabic: عيسى‎ ʿĪsā) is considered to be a Messenger of God and the Masih (messiah) who was sent to guide the Israelites (banī isrā'īl) with a new scripture, the Injīl.[43] The belief in Jesus (and all other messengers of God) is required in Islam, and a requirement of being a Muslim. In the Qur'an, the second coming of Jesus is heralded in surah Az-zukhruf as a sign of the day of judgement.

And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way. 43:61[44]

In his famous interpretation of the Qur'an or Tafsir al-Qur'an al-Azim, Ibn kathir also uses this verse as proof of Jesus' second coming in the Qur'an. [45]

There are also Hadiths that clearly foretell of Jesus' future return such as:[46] Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 43: Kitab-ul-`Ilm (Book of Knowledge), Hâdith Number 656:

The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).

According to Islamic tradition, Jesus' descent will be in the midst of wars fought by the Mahdi (lit. "the rightly guided one"), known in Islamic eschatology as the redeemer of Islam, against the Masih ad-Dajjal (literally "false messiah", synonymous with the Antichrist) and his followers.[47] Jesus will descend at the point of a white arcade, east of Damascus, dressed in yellow robes—his head anointed. He will then join the Mahdi in his war against the Dajjal. Jesus, considered in Islam as a Muslim (one who submits to God) and one of God's messengers, will abide by the Islamic teachings. Eventually, Jesus will slay the Antichrist Dajjal, and then everyone from the People of the Book(ahl al-kitāb, referring to Jews and Christians) will believe in him. Thus, there will be one community, that of Islam. Sahih Muslim, 41:7023

Sahih al-Bukhari, 3:43:656: Narrated Abu Hurairah:

Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (Mariam) (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts)."

After the death of the Mahdi, Jesus will assume leadership. This is a time associated in Islamic narrative with universal peace and justice. Islamic texts also allude to the appearance of Ya'juj and Ma'juj (known also as Gog and Magog), ancient tribes which will disperse and cause disturbance on earth. God, in response to Jesus's prayers, will kill them by sending a type of worm in the napes of their necks.[47] Jesus's rule is said to be around forty years, after which he will die, (according to Islam Jesus did not die on the cross but was taken up to heaven and continues to live until his return in the second coming). Muslims will then perform the Salat al-Janazah (funeral prayer) for him and bury him in the city of Medina in a grave left vacant beside Muhammad.[46]

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[Collectivist]

The variety of "Christian morals" that we specifically have a problem with, is the type of pro-Roman ethics based on deception, as found primarily in the Gospels and Pauline epistles. Even in those books, there is also much valuable (or at least harmless) moralizing.

I find too that Christians are usually on the right side of some politically incorrect issues that atheists, for one reason or another, are incapable of dissecting on any deep meaningful level. For example, most Christians were far ahead of the game in pointing out the problems of the feminist movement and, what is well understood today as the homosexual agenda. There has been some blow-back, and rightfully so, that even some secular folk are realizing the liberal agenda, and secular humanist agenda in general, is a tool to undermine the moral fabric of society. Even the Roman Catholic church is on the right side of some of these points. I guess the evil Jesuits never got the memo. That said, I prefer to examine each position and accept or reject it on its own merits. Some of the more redeeming aspects of Christianity, Judaism and Islam are now being rejected and this is what is leading to the moral decay in secular society. It is far more constructive, and revealing, if we concentrate on specific positions within a given faith and debate the moral and ethical implications of the position.

... Perhaps to distinguish itself from Catholicism or mainline Protestantism, the ethics you are espousing should be called "Jamesian" or "Sicariian" or even "Zealotry".

Why do you feel you need to redefine this as you see fit? It is more constructive to point to specific moral and ethical positions held by Christians today and critique them individually rather than packaging them all up like some partisan politician. This reminds me of a two day corporate event I was at where this "guru" of the human potential movement tried to define everyone as one of four types of people. He went on to brainwash my coworkers into accepting his classifications as gospel. He went on telling them how each group should behave to better communicate with the other types and what their strengths and weaknesses were. People praised this guy unaware of the conditioning that was being levied on them. He then went on to say that any individual who exhibited traits in two or more of the for classifications was schizophrenic. Those familiar with NLP programming know fairly well this type of manipulation. He didn't take kindly to my small protest that he was using NLP in a deceptive manner to push his stupid ideas.

How can you claim to recover any truth about the "historical Jesus"? Whose apple cart was being upturned at the Temple, and why?

As I stated to you earlier, these events are subject to revisionism since they occurred so long ago. The purpose of the temple quote was to demonstrate to you that your claim that Christianity demands obedience to man's law (Roman law) can be interpreted differently. Just because you guys can quote a few authors and provide anecdotal evidence to support your world view doesn't mean I have to drink your kool-aid

...What do you think about that, Collectivist? Are you among the ones who will be raptured into heaven, or are you going to "suffer deeply for your nonbelief" along with us? As an agnostic leaning towards theism, perhaps you have some sort of opinion about that.

There you go again. I think the whole rapture meme is another revisionist addition to Christianity and I think its full of crap. If it isn't a new idea, I still reject it. Did you actually think I would defend it? Seriously? The fact that many Christians believe this nonsense is my fault too?

With your praise of the "best researchers, intellectuals and thinkers" who are "devout Christians", would you also praise those "devout Christians" who conquered the New World, committed genocide against the natives, and extracted a slave population from the humiliated continent of Africa? What they did was easily worse than Hitler.

I should have given examples. I was thinking of G Edward Griffin and Eustace Mullins when I made this statement. Both Mr Griffin and especially Eustace Mullins have had the courage and fortitude to speak truth to power. I cannot say for sure whether this was a product of their religious faith and code of ethics however it is possible. If there is a specific Christian, Muslim or Jewish individual who has used his faith in an immoral way, he or she should be exposed. If there is some generally accepted custom or position held sacred within a given faith that is immoral, these too should be exposed.

It helps nobody to resort to logical fallacies and straw man arguments to support your position. Those Christians who conquered the New World were as Christian as those Zionist Jews who conquered Palestine were Jewish. As I stated earlier, it is best to do away with the labels and focus on the individual positions, crimes, beliefs, morals and ethics. Guilt by association is a lazy argument we all make from time to time and so is cherry picking information to support an argument. I am guilty of it just as much as others and it adds nothing to a discussion.

We are living in a dangerous time right now and I am trying to make sense of it all within the context of today's events. Revisiting historical events definitely is an important ingredient in the investigative process but for me, analyzing current events will bear more fruit in uncovering the truth.

The events of 911 are so important because there is so much material from where we can build a case as to who was involved, what was the motive, how was the operation carried out and why was it carried out in New York. Trying to answer these questions by examining Greek and Roman mythological parallels is interesting but not an area I personally wish to divert most of my attention to. Personally, I am more interested in how the main stream media was complicit in adding Computer Generated Imagery (planes) and the nuking of the WTC. From here, we can examine who controls the media outlets and the WTC complex (and its construction) and also look into first hand accounts offered up and go from there.

That is how I connect the dots instead of of reading Castor and Pollux.

 

[Jerry Russell]

Hi Collectivist,

The world of "Christianity" is fragmented into hundreds of competing denominations and sects. Catholicism is by far the largest denomination, but it too is fragmented into many ideological camps. The Bible itself is composed of many books (both OT and NT) with widely divergent ethics and viewpoints. The idea that there is some single or consistent "Christian ethics" is an abstraction or generalization that seems pretty useless to me.

I did expect that you would reject Swindle's interpretation of the Revelation, and the colonialist version of Christian ethics. (Or at least, I hoped you would.) That was my point: that these are just as much a part of "Christianity" as the ethics you espouse.

When it comes to connecting the dots on 9/11, don't you think it's interesting that the perpetrators patterned their criminal activity on ancient Greek and Roman mythological models? That is, if you accept that these parallels were intentionally constructed, rather than coincidental.

 

[Collectivist]

Hi Jerry

Symbols are interpreted differently depending who you prefer to listen to. For example, one Mark Passio in his lecture describes the events as an occultic ritual sacrifice from the perspective of Kabbalah, Tarot and Freemasonry. He describes the twin towers falling as the symbolic destruction of two pillars of truth and consciousness (based on the tree of Sephiroth). Each tower representing the masculine and feminine aspects with tower one's antenna representing the male phallic symbol. With the destruction of the two towers we arrive at the spiritual awakening, represented by the freedom tower; a sort of dialectical synthesis.

While interesting, we can only guess which interpretation is correct. It is quite ironic that Paul Laffoley, an architect who worked on the world trade center and quite the expert on the Kabbalah, even admits to the influence Kabbalah has on his designs and thinking. He is influenced by Rudolph Steiner, who pushes the New Age agenda through his Waldorf schools and books. Steiner believed those who have the "seed" within them would be able to initiate the more advanced members of humankind. Funny how Laffoley discovered that he has some kind of metal implant in his brain which was found during an X-Ray and he has no idea how it got there. Now that's what I call seeding

There is an hour long interview of Paul Laffoley on YouTube, in it he discusses the original design of the buildings, the involvement of the bin laden construction company and, most surprisingly, he admits the twin towers were designed to be demolished before the design was even completed (including building 7) which validates Khalezov's claims. He also admits the buildings were to represent a large 11, the buildings were to be designed close to each other and dedicated to Nelson and David Rockefeller. He also gets into aliens, spirituality and other truly bizarre topics.

In his article, "Utopian Space", he describes, in dialectical language .. "...the goal of our present endeavor is to produce a transdisciplinary world-view which will sustain human existence into a continuous future"

His solution is necessary as he warns ...

''Time moves swiftly, and Fuller’s kairos (or crisis point) is now upon us. Decisions that will influence everyone are now inevitable and unavoidable. They must and will be made."

Incredibly, in true predictive programming style, Laffoley made these comments just 3 months before September 11, 2001. The New Age religion is a deliberate, and well planned agenda that the elite will use to usher in one world government. Here, Paul Laffoley, the great facilitator, explains further:

Utopic Space, which is this new reality, has been waiting for humanity since the beginning of time. It is the source of all mystical traditions from the East to the West. Since Utopic Space is completely at one with itself, it can merge all theological positions that appear contradictory in traditional spaces such as: theism, atheism and agnosticism (both dogmatic and methodological). In Utopic Space, it is possible to have a real religious syncretism combined with a personal faith commitment.

An attempt in this direction has already begun. The end of the 19th century witnessed the formation of two proto-utopic styled religions:

First, Theosophy, which was created in New York City in 1875, attempted to integrate the findings of contemporary science with traditional Buddhist and Hindu theories of Pantheistic evolution.

Second, in 1889, a new religious movement began in Iran which emphasized the spiritual unity of all Human kind that described itself as glory on earth, The Baha!

Again we see New York City as a key center of inspiration for these Kabbalists. (Like Rav Berg from my previous video post). From a symbolic perspective it is quite obvious to see the parallels with Jewish mysticism, not Roman mythology.

 

[Jerry Russell]

Thanks Collectivist, this is very interesting information. The Tree of Sephiroth is said to have three pillars? But maybe building 7 could be the third pillar. Seems like a stretch. Wiki thinks that Tree of Sephiroth "derives from Christian and esoteric sources and is not known to the earlier Jewish tradition", would you agree? More generally, there are fairly intimate links between Greek and Roman mythology, Jewish mysticism, Freemasonry, and their roots in ancient Babylonian and Egyptian religions. It can be easy to recognize some sort of ancient mythological influence, but much harder to tease out exactly where it comes from.

Rick thinks the Castor and Pollux myth is a pretty explicit match, because of the alleged flight paths of the impacting airplanes (that is, if indeed they existed at all). I'm not sure what other details might add weight to the parallelism.

Personally I'm inclined to believe that at least one of the WTC impact planes existed, because of the number of people who were staring at the scene and watching with riveted attention at the time.

 

[Collectivist]

I commented some time ago that Zionists have been working very hard to destabilize Europe through socialism, multiculturalism and more recently refugees.

The various marxists governments of Europe, the US and other nations have been carefully planted to foster revolution as a means of destabilization. If at first they don't succeed, they will try again using different tactics ...

... examine more critically your knee-jerk admiration of democracy as it is applied not only in Greek society, but all over the world. Democracy, like other collectivist based ideologies, are the weapons of choice for the internationalists. Once levels of indoctrination have reached critical mass, the mob always gets it wrong and democracy empowers them to vote in their own enslavement.

The influential ideas espoused by the politically correct progressives and so-called intellectuals have been carefully defined to push a socialist agenda and one world government.

Collectivist, Sep 2, 2015

These banksters have also tried desperately to bring about war in Iran and their efforts in Syria (using their ISIS creation) have not played exactly as they wanted (and that is a good thing) but I feel Europe is where these Jewish supremacists command greater influence and control so I am fairly confident it will play out as I have stated. The refugees flooding into Europe is another example of their designed plot to expedite Europe's demise through revolution using other actors if necessary -- Whatever it takes.

Collectivist, Sep 5, 2015

The goal to all this of course is world government. Agents such as Barbara Lerner Spectre are quite candid about these plans ...

Europe has not learned how to be multicultural, and I think we are going to be part of that transformation which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century.

Jews are going to be at the center of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make and they are now going to be in a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of our leading role, but without that leading role and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.

Recent events add credence to all this. For a detailed and well cited article about what I am talking about, here is another excellent perspective:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/0...d-to-destroy-europe-through-massive-refugees/

 

[Jerry Russell]

Hi Collectivist,

Thanks for the links and references. I agree that you were ahead of us, and ahead of the curve, in your predictions.

 

[Collectivist]

Hi Collectivist,

Thanks for the links and references. I agree that you were ahead of us, and ahead of the curve, in your predictions.

It isn't too difficult when you consider the conspiratorial view of history as opposed to what the intellectual class holds true. It is quite unsettling when you take it all in but when you do, you see the lies everywhere and the truth can no longer be concealed. Personally, when I am sitting in, say, a public cafeteria with the news spewing propaganda from a nearby TV, it is so blatantly obvious to me what is being communicated and the true agenda behind every scripted line from the broadcaster that I sometimes find it staggering that the others around me don't see it for what it truly is.

For if they did, these predictions would not be difficult to foresee.

In the meantime dear Jerry, keep buying physical silver (and thank me later) You will be amazed at what is just around the corner ...

 

[lorenhough]

It isn't too difficult when you consider the conspiratorial view of history as opposed to what the intellectual class holds true. It is quite unsettling when you take it all in but when you do, you see the lies everywhere and the truth can no longer be concealed. Personally, when I am sitting in, say, a public cafeteria with the news spewing propaganda from a nearby TV, it is so blatantly obvious to me what is being communicated and the true agenda behind every scripted line from the broadcaster that I sometimes find it staggering that the others around me don't see it for what it truly is.

For if they did, these predictions would not be difficult to foresee.

In the meantime dear Jerry, keep buying physical silver (and thank me later) You will be amazed at what is just around the corner ...

Try to eat silver. Food for silver better to have food and or to get out before the war.
Gold can help if you have enough to get out of country ..
Tough times are coming be prepared

SYRIA FOOD SHORTAGE! In Syria, hungry residents sell gold for food

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Jan 20, 2016
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In Syria’s eastern city of Deir el-Zour, supplies are running brief that distressed residents are selling their gold, valuables as well as their houses for an exit or food permit letting them escape a siege by Islamic State militants and both government troops. The extremists have blockaded government-held areas of the city for more than some of its 200,000 residents are slowly starving while, and annually troops and President supporting militias Bashar Assad use their anguish.



A lot of people live on water and bread — and there are long delays for both. Taps are shut off for days at a time, as well as the water that flows out for just several hours is brackish. The town has not had electricity with little fuel available for water pumps and generators.

The U.N. warned last week that living conditions have deteriorated considerably in Deir el-Zour. Pupils are often absent from school due to malnutrition. The sole civilian hospital that is staying wants staff as well as other materials, along with drugs.

Unverified reports mentioned up to 20 malnutrition departures, the U.N. said in its report. The Islamic State group encompasses Deir el-Zour and will not let equipment and folks in by land; the Syrian government, which controls part of its airport and the city, will not enable supplies to be brought in by air or let outside its people. Deir el-Zour is the biggest of about 15 besieged communities in Syria, cutting about 400,000 individuals from support. off U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said both the Syrian government and the rebels are perpetrating war crimes by deliberately starving civilians.

 

[Collectivist]

The recent "smear" campaign leaked from the Panama Papers against Mossack ("Mossad"?) Fonseca is another calculated move by the Zionist bankers to push their NWO plans to do away with cash and usher in centrally controlled digital money whereby people will be unable to escape their debt obligations to these parasites. These named puppets are simply useful idiots who will soon be sacrificed to further the next phase of the great master plan as orchestrated by the Rothschilds dynasty many generations ago . People are being brainwashed to equate nationalsim with corruption and cash the instrument of criminals (using the NLP technique known as anchoring, similar to Skinner's operant conditioning)... as to herd them into a one world global prison where everyone is centrally controlled (for our own good, of course)

Be very suspicious of those collectivist progressives (liberals) who would espouse such ideas or those on the other side who attempt to "poison" the well such as Trump... It's all just another Hegelian dialectic trap being played out.

Nationalism and culture is a good thing so long as other nations and cultures are also protected and respected. This of course will be spun differently my shills to push one world government as the "only" viable solution.

Let the theatre begin ...

 

[Collectivist]

Adding to my previous comment on the Panama Papers, this video posted a few days ago echos my sentiments but with greater detail. Incredible interview

I keep thinking back to the Jonathan May interview of many years ago and how prescient it was

 

[Collectivist]

And so starts the theatre ...

PANAMA CITY (Reuters) - Panama's attorney general late on Tuesday raided the offices of the Mossack Fonseca law firm to search for any evidence of illegal activities, authorities said in a statement.

The Panama-based law firm is at the centre of the "Panama Papers" leaks scandal that has embarrassed several world leaders and shone a spotlight on the shadowy world of offshore companies.

The national police, in an earlier statement, said they were searching for documentation that "would establish the possible use of the firm for illicit activities." The firm has been accused of tax evasion and fraud.

 

[Collectivist]

The BREXIT vote is in and what??!! UK to leave the Eurozone??

... I think not ...

There are many reasons why this disingenuous referendum was called but the most important one is to create an excuse to trigger a market meltdown. Cameron, upon the referendum result, was required to initiate the steps to make the decision legally binding (the referendum itself is nothing of the sort and parliament can decide to ignore it -- Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty is legally binding) How convenient that he resigns immediately after the BREXIT outcome!

Make no mistake about it, this market was destined to collapse and most astute observers pointed to this summer as the day of reckoning. Now that the Zionist banking families have their Hegelian dialectic prepared, expect the stock market to fall violently (you will be surprised what these satanists are capable of). The UK will be made an example of ... it is just the way the mafia operates.

Once enough punishment and despair is wrought upon the markets, there will be actions taken to reverse the BREXIT (possibly a follow-up referendum, who knows). The important thing to remember here is that all the theater yet to be played out has been planned well in advance.

Global governance is the dream of these supremacists and they will not rest until this becomes reality

 

[Marcilla Smith]

Hello =] de-lurking here (if people still announce such things)

I had the pleasure about four years ago to sit down with a Roman Catholic priest who explained transubstantiation to me. The look on my face must have conveyed something of my inner thoughts, as he responded by saying, "kind of takes your breath away, doesn't it," although the look on his face said something more along the lines of, "IKR?" I told him, "that's difficult for me to wrap my mind around."

Either in response to this observation, or perhaps at some other point in the conversation, I recall him saying that he had come to a place where he determined that "it's just easier to let the Church decide what [he] should think." Now while I certainly found this immediately to be unreasonable, upon further reflection, I had to admit a certain "truth" to his logic