Globalist Warming Denial & the Green New Deal

Jerry Russell

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So far it had been clear to me that data have been altered to provide a false correlation between C02 increases and temperature increases and that simulations have been used to support the catasthophic scenario which has not come true. These are facts and not opinions.
Emma, in this thread I've been trying to show that the relationship between CO2 increases and temperature increases is a fact. The alleged "data alterations" were simply attempts to compensate for well known and understood issues with the raw data.

No doubt it's true that powerful economic incentives come into play on both sides of the debate, making it difficult to trust anything. But we do the best we can to sort out what's reliable.

One can interpret that image as a praise of the jewish State to be able to penetrate American politics in such a profound way !
There's no possible way to interpret the image as praise of the Jewish state. The implication was that American politicians have been turned into monsters as a result of Jewish influence. There was no way to miss the expression of ethnic based hatred.

Our analysis is that the Jewish state, and the Jews, are only scapegoats for far larger, more powerful interests working behind the scenes.

The Ariel Sharon quote allegedly came from an Israeli radio broadcast, translated from Hebrew. But, a source for the radio station denied that Sharon ever made the statement. So, it's probably fake news. See: https://www.camera.org/article/false-zionist-quote-sharon-quote-is-fabricated/

I'm letting the image remain because it doesn't show the manifest hatred that I saw in the first cartoon. But it's ultimately wrong in the same way.
 

Emma Robertson

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There is enough interest from both sides to lie.
Actually 3000 times more interest to lie for the alarmists ones...

And to counter the accusations of “Big Oil” funding the sceptics, he must have relished demonstrating with stark evidence how the green activists have received over 3,000 times more funding than all the climate change sceptics put together.

https://www.amazon.com/Watermelons-Environmentalists-Destroying-Stealing-Childrens/dp/1849544050
 

Richard Stanley

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I remember Richard Stanley mentioning the motivations behind Al Gore's support to MMGW theory as a monetary drive, having invested in renewable energies.

I also remember myself trying to undestand the global motivations for inventing and supporting MMGW theory despite the evidence against it. I asked here: is it possible that ALL people supporting it are people with investments in green energy? That did not seem much likely.
What other reasons could there be? I did not get an answer.
I never implied that this was the sole motivation. In fact, when I created this thread I purposely used the term 'Globalist', which implies not only financial considerations but other aspects. Such also applies to my new thread Alfie and Omega, What's It All About?, where I have coined the term Precession Driven Climate Change (PDCC) on the latest post there. And my latest post on Getting Your Ice Age Off and On, which shows the effect of precession on massive changes in sea levels, if not ice ages.

Financial considerations of massive amounts of money always play into such analysis, as this is what was at the center of prior episodes of 'globalization'. In general, raising the standard of living for second and third tier countries would benefit everyone, including making sure that the global population peaks at 9 billion.

But, we will still have to contend with Climate Change, even though it occurs for other reasons.

As such, maybe one might want to consider that all of the fakery and chaos of the day is meant to hide from the global public that climate is more cosmic driven than CO2 driven? And then who benefits by this?

All this is the subtext of Ruby's Bible, the one that we weren't supposed to be reading in the first place, at least until their was a season for it. But no one told those farmers how to interpret it. Thus there is no precession, and the 'zodiac, mentioned in the Good Book - according to them.
 
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Ruby Gray

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But, we will still have to contend with Climate Change, even though it occurs for other reasons.

As such, maybe one might want to consider that all of the fakery and chaos of the day is meant to hide from the global public that climate is more cosmic driven than CO2 driven? And then who benefits by this?

All this is the subtext of Ruby's Bible, the one that we weren't supposed to be reading in the first place, at least until their was a season for it. But no one told those farmers how to interpret it. Thus there is no precession, and the 'zodiac, mentioned in the Good Book.
Finding your last paragraph rather obscure, Richard!

The over-riding message of that user's handbook is that there is a sovereign God in charge of his creation, able to influence it in ways that we cannot hope to affect with our puny outrage.

I find it informative to see the continuum of climate disasters recorded therein over the millennia of the bible's composition, independent of those beneficent atmospheric molecules H2O and CO2, cycling through the ages, and foretold to play their apocalyptic part in the future. Certainly the cosmic contribution in last days prophecy is very prominent, and also a recapitulation of conditions from Noachian and Mosaic eras.

Apparently it is the sun causing the warming, as you say Richard, according to this verse :

Revelation 16:8,9
The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun,
and it was allowed to scorch people with fire.
They were scorched by the fierce heat,
and they cursed the name of God who had power over these plagues.
They did not repent and give him glory.

Many other atmospheric disasters to come apparently, nothing at all to do with carbon dioxide levels.

Interesting that the Wikipedia article makes the connection between NOAA and Noah, here :

"The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA, /ˈnoʊ.ə/ like Noah) is an American scientific agency within the United States Department of Commerce that focuses on the conditions of the oceans, major waterways, and the atmosphere."
 

Richard Stanley

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Finding your last paragraph rather obscure, Richard!
OK, I fixed it. Now it says: "Thus there is no precession, and the 'zodiac, mentioned in the Good Book - according to them."

Yes, the Bible, and the older sources they cribbed from were telling of us of cosmically derived catastrophe's in their own cryptic and mythological fashion. The sovereign god in that book decided that his ultimate creation (in his image), humans, was only worth flushing down the drain via an act of divine genocide, except that is, for that one man that was a drunk on his ass wine maker, and his family. His family, where one of them had some untoward action via his father and thus this god decided that the descendants of that son should be slaves in perpetuity.

This god seems to have had as big a problem judging character as Donald Trump does, or 'seems' to. But that's for another thread.

But, here you tell us, that we can prevent the effects of billions of years of solar cycles, if only we repent and give him glory. Why can't he just admit that his actions here are a bit much, in terms of overkill response? This god is only concerned with self-aggrandizement, instead, he could have just snapped his fingers and booyah, no more problems. Well, except for evil humans that is. But, he has other means for dealing with evil humans, like using his 'iron-rod' to smite them more selectively.

Instead, Carlson, a Freemason ... and architect, claims that it is the challenge for humanity, to apply the collective brains we were given, however, to the challenge of preventing cosmic impactors, and figuring out how to adapt globally to natural climate change.

Conversely, American Christian fundamentalists and other Xians are drunk on the whine of the master fornicator and liar. They may understand that CO2 doesn't cause much warming, but they consider themselves to otherwise be in a climate Paradise for eternity. That is, if only they could get rid of the poor and tired.
 

John

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Hi Jerry - haven't had time to read the whole thread but if you haven't run across the work of Sabino Cortez and his Serengeti Grazing work you might find this interesting. His brother was a neighbor back when we lived south of Austin, TX and I got to meet him at a family gathering. I was an old Acres reader, so it really fun to talk with him. He has a product that includes urine from lactating cows that is dramatically effective against fire-ant mounds. His brother is an old Kerrville Folk Festival guy and they use it extensively the week prior to campers arriving. He's a master at composting and compost tea among other things.

http://nebula.wsimg.com/3312bb570f029b7eb9866dc9a54cbefa?AccessKeyId=EB8CC95A0CE5D7DCFCF4&disposition=0
 

Jerry Russell

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But, here you tell us, that we can prevent the effects of billions of years of solar cycles, if only we repent and give him glory.
Where did Ruby say that? I thought she specifically acknowledged the "continuum of climate disasters" of the past, and supports prophecies of scorching fierce heat in the near future. There might be some benefits to repenting and giving God glory, but not to the extent of preventing climate disaster.

I will admit to being confused here about the prophecies. I had thought that based on Milankovich and other archaeological climate science, the prediction was that our currently benevolent warm climate should soon be replaced by a new ice age. If you look at the sawtooth graph of temperature trends over the last half million years, it seems painfully obvious what's coming next.

Whereas if we move into a period of fierce heat, much higher than today, the only possible explanation is that the Earth's climate has been driven away from its expected course, by massive human introduction of CO2.

This was explained, for example, by Richard himself in this post from last December, where he wrote "that Earth is in a very long term cooling trend, with concomitant wider short term extremes. And so MMGW has saved us from returning to a time of massive ice caps, and keeping beach front properties near the beaches."

if you haven't run across the work of Sabino Cortez and his Serengeti Grazing work you might find this interesting.
Thanks John!
 

Jerry Russell

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Actually 3000 times more interest to lie for the alarmists ones...
I'm not feeling inclined to pay to buy that book. And without the information contained therein, it's hard to reply specifically to the figures.

But you might consider that doing real climate science is expensive. Weather stations need to be built and maintained. Ice core samples are taken and sent for lab evaluation. Satellites and hot air balloons are sent into the skies. Expeditions are sent to the far reaches of the planet to evaluate the condition of local ecosystems. None of this research comes for free. And nearly everybody who actually does this sort of research, is in agreement about what's going on.

Whereas all the oil companies and Koch brothers need to do, is provide funding for propagandists to bloviate on you-tube. Which is obviously a lot cheaper.
 

Richard Stanley

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Where did Ruby say that? I thought she specifically acknowledged the "continuum of climate disasters" of the past, and supports prophecies of scorching fierce heat in the near future. There might be some benefits to repenting and giving God glory, but not to the extent of preventing climate disaster.
Revelation 16:8,9
The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun,
and it was allowed to scorch people with fire.
They were scorched by the fierce heat,
and they cursed the name of God who had power over these plagues.
They did not repent and give him glory.
Ruby quoted this, and I have to presume that she endorses the view that if only each and every one of us, left alive after the fundamentalist eschaton immanentizers help get rid of the evil-doers first, that God will lovingly stop these punishments.
Whereas if we move into a period of fierce heat ... by massive human introduction of CO2.
IF
Of course, one must explain why temperatures have gone higher in the past with less CO2.
This was explained, for example, by Richard himself in this post from last December, where he wrote "that Earth is in a very long term cooling trend, with concomitant wider short term extremes. And so MMGW has saved us from returning to a time of massive ice caps, and keeping beach front properties near the beaches."
Well, that was before I learned from Carlson about the Energy Paradox. And, Miles Mathis is probably correct to interpret the typical length of interglacials as just shy of a half precessional Great Year. Therefore, the Holocene is not atypical, but in any case, near the end of it's expected span.
I'm not feeling inclined to pay to buy that book. And without the information contained therein, it's hard to reply specifically to the figures.
Not caring to question the weakness of your admitted new geopolitical global religion?
But you might consider that doing real climate science is expensive. Weather stations need to be built and maintained.
Huh? Weather stations have been drastically reduced and/or not properly compensated for such as heat island effects. This, so as to align with the crap climate models. So no Ruby and I don't need to consider that.
None of this research comes for free.
The massive billions they are spending to promote these lies are a drop in the bucket considering the geopolitical stakes involved for them.
And nearly everybody who actually does this sort of research, is in agreement about what's going on.
Yes, the honest ones who disagree have been forced to retire, for the most part getting no funding.
Whereas all the oil companies and Koch brothers need to do, is provide funding for propagandists to bloviate on you-tube. Which is obviously a lot cheaper.
The alarmist propagandists get all the free coverage they want in the MSM and in the curriculums of elementary schools.
Hi Jerry - haven't had time to read the whole thread but if you haven't run across the work of Sabino Cortez and his Serengeti Grazing work you might find this interesting.
I suppose we should have a separate thread for stuff like this, like Allan Savory.
 

Jerry Russell

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I have to presume...
No, you don't have to presume. You could make inquiries, or perhaps even give her the benefit of the doubt.

... that if only each and every one of us, left alive after the fundamentalist eschaton immanentizers help get rid of the evil-doers first, that God will lovingly stop these punishments.
Hmmm... It's painful to admit that our opinions, as individuals, are just about equally as irrelevant whether we're talking about cosmic events or mere human causes.

That is, the evil doers don't care what we think, and are not about to change their ways, any more than the asteroids and the constellations will be reading Postflaviana and deflecting their courses.

And all the evil doers are, collectively, the same in that regard. That is, whether you agree with us that the "evil doers" are such as the Catholic Church, Zionists, or whether you agree with the New Testament that the "evil doers" are those (like us) who refuse to give God the glory -- in either case those "evil doers" are convinced of their righteousness, and they're not about to change. Maybe once every ten years or so, some individual somewhere changes their mind, but this is very rare.

Similarly, some of us buy solar panels and wish that the "evil doers" would quit driving around in SUV's, while those SUV owners smugly pride themselves that they aren't buying into the "alarmism". Not to mention complaining about all the lithium that goes into every Tesla.

One might as well write threads about how the Sun needs to burn less hydrogen, for all the good it does to complain about "evil doers", and/or try to convince anyone to quit doing evil.
 

Richard Stanley

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No, you don't have to presume. You could make inquiries, or perhaps even give her the benefit of the doubt.
Well, I suppose that Ruby could have converted and not told me. Otherwise, my 'presumption' was intended to be a rhetorical device.
Hmmm... It's painful to admit that our opinions, as individuals, are just about equally as irrelevant whether we're talking about cosmic events or mere human causes.

That is, the evil doers don't care what we think, and are not about to change their ways, any more than the asteroids and the constellations will be reading Postflaviana and deflecting their courses.
As a Bible thumping atheist, I see these mythic Genesis Bible stories as crude retellings of real cosmic events, and here that God, the Creator of Good and Evil, is indeed a metaphorical construct. Humans, like ravens and such, are gifted with the ability to create tools to apply advantageously, or not. We have options, if we don't get hijacked by fundamentalist and others' hang-ups.
One might as well write threads about how the Sun needs to burn less hydrogen, for all the good it does to complain about "evil doers", and/or try to convince anyone to quit doing evil.
You mean like convincing the IPCC to stop doing evil?
 

Jerry Russell

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You mean like convincing the IPCC to stop doing evil?
Exactly. According to your analysis, the IPCC promotes MMGW because of the vast profits to be unlocked for Al Gore, George Soros, and probably the Pope. And because of the political power to be gained by convincing hoards of teenage girls to march in step with Greta Thunberg. The destiny of the planet is at stake. Or at least, the destiny of some white men wearing business suits.

Do you think the IPCC and all those teenage girls are going to stop listening to Greta and start listening to you, just because we have a website? Not any more than Koch Industries is going to stop burning fossil fuels just because I'm warning them of possible consequences.
 
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Richard Stanley

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Exactly. According to your analysis, the IPCC promotes MMGW because of the vast profits to be unlocked for Al Gore, George Soros, and probably the Pope. And because of the political power to be gained by convincing hoards of teenage girls to march in step with Greta Thunberg. The destiny of the planet is at stake. Or at least, the destiny of some white men wearing business suits.
No, you're being as selective as Emma. Collectively on different threads I have stated that is more than mere money at stake, but in furtherance of the underlying globalizing trend, that is embedded in the OT, the NT, and the Quran. An agenda thousands of years old, managed by chosen elites -- for the elites. And, in addition to money, global power and assets, the circus helps distract from that their are cosmic factors that we must take into account. Namely that, in metaphoric terms, the God of Abraham treats the Earth as his Etch-a-Sketch.

If most people ignore that there are certain factors to be accounted for, but an elect few do take such into account, then cui bono?
Do you think the IPCC and all those teenage girls are going to stop listening to Greta and start listening to you, just because we have a website? Not any more than Koch Industries is going to stop burning fossil fuels just because I'm warning them of possible consequences.
Where did I suggest that they would? But this should not stop me "from telling the truth, laughingly" (or otherwise).

BTW, I recently watched a video, a few weeks ago, where the Kochs were funding some group along with George Soros. As is my wider Postflavian thesis, the Western, at least, elites control both sides of most all significant divides.

Alarmist celebrities go private-jet-setting around the world telling the 'natives' to return to the jungle, and disease, and the urge to excessively multiply. Bill Gates buys a Porsche and Elon Musk gets upset. Go figure.
 

Jerry Russell

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Where did I suggest that they would?
Of course you're right. We've always been realistic about our impact, if any.

It just suddenly struck me as ironic that we spend so much effort debating about whether human or celestial factors are more important in determining the earth's climate, when both are equally beyond our control. I'm not so sure that "the elites" really have much agency either. It seems that even their actions are to a large extent pre-determined by the ancient agendas, as well as human nature.
 
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