If that's what 'fascism' is, why are you so eager to associate yourself with it? Although in my definition, I would also includes elements of extreme and arbitrary authoritarianism, hyper-masculine militarism, and assertions of divine right.
Global Neoliberalism and the Rigged Government / Capitalist Enterprise
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If that's what 'fascism' is, why are you so eager to associate yourself with it? Although in my definition, I would also includes elements of extreme and arbitrary authoritarianism, hyper-masculine militarism, and assertions of divine right.
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At one time Claude was going to do himself, and maybe us, a favor and employ a different term (I think it was Hierarchicalism for his racist yet non-racist gene based 'meritocracy') than Fascism.
In any case, I would argue that Neoliberalism is a sly form of fascism practiced by the corporate right and left. They control the state and the state effects policies and wars that profit the corporations. It is so perverse that Capitalism doesn't even fulfill the role it was first envisioned for, i.e. to facilitate and/or increase the production of useful goods. Instead, most of the Capitalist enterprise today is based upon so-called Financialization, in other words, making money by speculating on money or other 'derivative' abstractions.
But because Claude thinks 'clearly' by avoiding Einsteinism, almost Biblically, he has a superior insight to that only his non-racist, race based meritocratic hierarchy of competing strongmen, and hence a strongman of strongmen, can solve the world's problems. I'll bet this uber strongman will even emerge from a spaceship.
Yes, it makes no sense to have a meritocracy of ability (on a foundation of equal access to quality education, nutrition, health care, etc., which we've NEVER HAD) when we can rely on the tried and true of traditional Biblical society, where meritocracy is based upon who has the best access to and ability to project hierarchical organizing power regardless of any other factors. Just as God would determine a persons guilt or innocence by whether they drowned or not, God will deliver us with the best prinzling. As such, we can all stop arguing and become productive.
In any case, I would argue that Neoliberalism is a sly form of fascism practiced by the corporate right and left. They control the state and the state effects policies and wars that profit the corporations. It is so perverse that Capitalism doesn't even fulfill the role it was first envisioned for, i.e. to facilitate and/or increase the production of useful goods. Instead, most of the Capitalist enterprise today is based upon so-called Financialization, in other words, making money by speculating on money or other 'derivative' abstractions.
But because Claude thinks 'clearly' by avoiding Einsteinism, almost Biblically, he has a superior insight to that only his non-racist, race based meritocratic hierarchy of competing strongmen, and hence a strongman of strongmen, can solve the world's problems. I'll bet this uber strongman will even emerge from a spaceship.
Yes, it makes no sense to have a meritocracy of ability (on a foundation of equal access to quality education, nutrition, health care, etc., which we've NEVER HAD) when we can rely on the tried and true of traditional Biblical society, where meritocracy is based upon who has the best access to and ability to project hierarchical organizing power regardless of any other factors. Just as God would determine a persons guilt or innocence by whether they drowned or not, God will deliver us with the best prinzling. As such, we can all stop arguing and become productive.
Whether he calls it fascism or hierarchicalism, it's still based on der Fuhrerprinzep. And, as Rudolf Hess defined the Fuhrer Principal: “Hitler is Germany and Germany is Hitler. Whatever he does is necessary. Whatever he does is successful. Clearly the Führer has divine blessing.”
It seems to me that Claude is right, to draw a distinction between real full-blooded fascism, and our current neoliberal regime. Trump may be doing his best, but it's hard to see him as "out-Trumping" a real messianic prinzling delivered to us from out of God's spaceship.
If I can't be a Postflavian pundit, my productive days are over.
Richard Stanley
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Claude may likely be operating on the notion that the Nazis, or whom they were working for, won the war. He simply wont let us in on the 'secret' that he knows this.
Since Trump did not step out of anybody's spaceship, obviously he can't trump a real fuhrerprinzip. But he did achieve the greatest deal ever today, Peace between Israel and ...? Just don't forget: "No Hitler, No Israel!!"
Since Trump did not step out of anybody's spaceship, obviously he can't trump a real fuhrerprinzip. But he did achieve the greatest deal ever today, Peace between Israel and ...? Just don't forget: "No Hitler, No Israel!!"
Richard Stanley
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Here is a great and concise treatment of corporations showing what they have morphed into in the Neoliberal era. The original intent of corporations to ultimately serve the public good, albeit indirectly, was subverted by corporate management by the lure of all those profits, which were supposed to be plowed back into growth or distributed for other uses. Instead, the corporations (and their major stockholders) decided that they would buy lawmakers, making it possible to grant themselves stock ownership in lieu of standard pay and other shenanigans.
As the Mad Blender discusses, corporations are a legal construct dependent upon government fiat for their existence, which is an inherent contradiction with the unicorn of Free Market Capitalism. As she shows in another video, which I have posted on the Trump thread, the consequent excesses of (especially unrestrained) Capitalism leads to the impetus for Fascism, and in this century it is essentially global Fascism (even though its delusional foot soldiers are nationalists).
As the Mad Blender discusses, corporations are a legal construct dependent upon government fiat for their existence, which is an inherent contradiction with the unicorn of Free Market Capitalism. As she shows in another video, which I have posted on the Trump thread, the consequent excesses of (especially unrestrained) Capitalism leads to the impetus for Fascism, and in this century it is essentially global Fascism (even though its delusional foot soldiers are nationalists).
Mono-party, exactly. The illusion of free choice. The engineered double-bind.