Getting Your Ice Age On and Off

[Richard Stanley]

In the following video (Part 2) Ralph Ellis discusses his albedo theory of how such as Gobi Desert dust helps drive the Ice Age cycles, centering around the CO2 sensitivity of plants at higher elevations and the Milankovitch cycles. Of course, carbon soot (NOT the same as CO2) would do the same thing as dust. You can see in Ellis's graphs that sometimes CO2 leads temps and sometimes lags temps. CO2's main effect is upon plant growth, of which dust is an inverse function.

I suggest that this process works in addition to Carlson's impact theory, which separately seems linked to precession.

 

[John]

Have y'all seen this one from Mathis? http://milesmathis.com/ice.html

 

[Richard Stanley]

Hi John, welcome to the forum, and thx for the link.

I've read about half way through Miles' work and, while I am in agreement with the notion that the galactic environment likely plays a strong role in the solar system and here on Earth, Miles had made some mistakes in his argumentation.

The first is he misinterprets the term 'Solar Forcing'. The term doesn't not mean the Earth is forcing the Sun. In the Earth climate context, 'Forcing' of any type means a source of energy that drives Earth climate in one direction or the other.

Since Miles posted that paper in 2011, it has been discovered that there is a strong correlation in the combined angular positions of the major planets with respect to the Sun with the strength of the Sun Spot Cycles. If the Sun, the planets, and the whole solar system are essentially electrical dynamos, then what is cause versus what is effect?

It has recently been found that the solar system's heliosphere is under constant galactic bombardment by electrical plasma. This in addition to whatever the levels of Miles' galactic photons are. I have no idea what the relative differences in photons or plasma levels are in relation to either the Milky Way or its center versus other directions.

The significant effects of the combined Milankovitch Cycles have been found in ancient lake sedimentation layers, such as rock formations in New Jersey. One is left to argue the direct cause of those three different orbit cycles of the Earth with relation to the Sun, but the correlative effects upon climate are yet there. There is a theory that the precessional wobble of the Earth is caused by ... wind. And this could be so because the northern hemisphere has much more land mass than the southern hemisphere.

What concerns the likes of Carlson and the other cometary impact researchers is what can cause such sharp transitional spikes in temperatures and especially the rapid massive meltwater events seen from the last transition. The old theory of melt water being dammed up literally doesn't hold water. Ice is prone to leaking out such melting water, either out of fissures in the ice 'dam' or at the meltwater lake bottoms into the underlying ground. The massive drumlins left behind after the ice sheets retreated can only be formed via massive flows, not from typical glacial melt.

I've never read anything like Miles' claim of concentrated planar photons, while it has been demonstrated that the interconnected webbing seen in more recent images of the universe can be easily explained by Birkeland Currents of plasma flows, replicated in plasma physics labs.

 

[Richard Stanley]

The following graph was presented in the recent Carlson/Kosmographia presentation here.

The June Insolation variance appears to be a function driven mainly by the precessional aspect of the Milankovitch cycles. One can see in these so-called Younger Dryas-like periods (dark gray inside the light gray deglaciation periods) sharp cooling related phenomenon, followed (relatively) soon by drastic warming phenomenon, like sea levels and CH4 (methane) levels.

Note where the dark gray bands are in relation to their respective Insolation / precession cycles. The exact same timing.

This seems suggestive of the hypothesis that cosmic impactors (and similar) are indeed related to precession but are only semi-periodic in nature. For instance the right-most interval is only 4 precessional cycles wide versus the others being 5 cycles wide. Note that the 18-Oxy cycles (proxy indicator for temperature) is tightly linked to precessional June Insolation.

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[John]

Thanks Richard. It does look like Miles was using his own version of the term Solar Forcing; after a re-read of his article and a stop-over at Wiki. It seems like a straw-man inserted unnecessarily in terms of his other points. I like Randall Carson's work and have watched most of his YouTubes. I'm presently re-reading a book from the 90's by D.S. Allan and J.B. Delair titled: Catastrophe! - Compelling Evidence of a Cosmic Catastrophe in 9500 B.C. (first published as When The Earth Nearly Died). A long time ago I tried to find additional work by them and other than this book's back cover they appeared to be ghosts. I had a hypothesis years ago, during the early part of the outsourcing craze, that somebody on this planet knew something cataclysmic was coming. My conditioning towards that idea goes all the way back to the early 1970's, when I read Velikovsky. I have old copies of Aeon and eagerly watched the evolution of Dave Talbot's group, prior to the modern internet, and even wore their stick-man t-shirt for a time just a few years ago. That was fun, I got into a lot of conversations as a result. It's all quite fascinating to say the least. Anyway, thanks for the thorough responses. Allan and Delair have quite a bit to say about ice ages, so if I run across something interesting I'll post it over here.

 

[Richard Stanley]

I had a hypothesis years ago, during the early part of the outsourcing craze, that somebody on this planet knew something cataclysmic was coming.

I believe this is definitely the case. This is one aspect that I hope I can get to on my new thread Alfie and Omega, What's It All About?.

Remember back when we were young and there were cartoons of crazed men standing on corner soapboxes yelling out that "the sky was falling"? All of that conditioned us to stop consideration of such things, as well as the introduction of Uniformitarianism in the schools. Well, when the Earth passes through a major field of fragmented cometary debris, it would indeed look like "the sky is falling". Brings new meaning to Frank Zappa's Mystery Man and his Cosmik Debris:

The Mystery Man came over
An' he said: "I'm outa-sight!"
He said, for a nominal service charge,
I could reach Nirvana t'nite
If I was ready, willing 'n able
To pay him his regular fee
He would drop all the rest of his pressing affairs
And devote His Attention to me
But I said . . .
Look here brother,
Who you jivin' with that Cosmik Debris?
(Now who you jivin' with that Cosmik Debris?)
Look here brother,
Don't you waste your time on me ​

Frank was not telling us to put tin foil on our heads, but rather to wrap corporate newspapers around it, so that we'd look like we were Deep. Thus we can ignore the "oil of Afro-dytee an' the dust of the Grand Wazoo". But what the hell is the dust of the Grand Wazoo? If it's truly Cosmik Debris we peeps need to know.

 

[John]

BTW - thanks for the heads-up on the Ellis youtube channel. That's some good stuff. I plan to listen to all of them and dive into his books.