Richard Stanley

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Moving on, at a blistering pace :rolleyes:, through Jesus, King of Edessa, Ellis discusses various Parthian coins and the problems with both dating them and identifying the respective kings. Ones seemingly agreed to be related to Phraates V show him with what is usually accorded as a 'wart' on the forehead. This 'mark' also shows up with decreasing frequency on subsequent kings of this dynasty. Ellis argues that this 'mark' is less likely to be a natural or biological body feature, but more of a symbol that may have been worn on the forehead. Therefore it is something like a Hindu bindi marking or similar seen on depicted on Buddha. This gets us into various Sun symbols and Sun gods like Shemesh (and that esoteric Sun symbols and worship are linking matters together across multiple societies involved with this family).

He then discusses that it may also be something of a mark of 'stigma', or perhaps later became known as a negative 'stigma', from such as the Talmud:

If one writes on his flesh, he is culpable: he who scratches a mark on his flesh. It was taught that Rabbi Eliezar said to the sages: ‘But did not Ben Stada bring witchcraft from Egypt by means of scratches (or marks) upon his flesh?’ (Shabbath 104b)
The Ben Stada mentioned here is actually a reference to Jesus, as we shall see in a later chapter, an identification that is confirmed in the talmudic notes. Here we see that Jesus was being accused of making marks or perhaps tattoos on his flesh, and that these same marks somehow allowed him to bring ‘witchcraft’ back from Egypt. It is later explained in the Talmud that these marks or tattoos may have borne or spelt the sacred name of god, and it was by this inscription of god’s name and the sacred knowledge that it was supposed to have imparted, that Jesus performed his miracles.
Ellis, Ralph. Jesus, King of Edessa (The King Jesus Trilogy Book 3) . Edfu Books. Kindle Edition.​

With all this Ellis makes a number of serial speculations, one of which interestingly links to the number 666, which also links to King Solomon getting 666 gold talents a year as tribute. This all gets us to the 'business' in Revelation 13 about the 'mark' of the Beast, which must be placed upon either the forehead or the right hand -- in order to garner permission to do business in the marketplace.

All well and fine, except that in the process Ellis links the Greek word 'stigma' to the Aramaic number 6, shesh. The later coins sometimes show a silk flap apparently covering up the 'wart' or mark and silk is Aramaic is 'shesh' as well. Ellis claims this is the source of our word 'sash'.

The problem here, is that Ellis does not demonstrate the relationship between 'stigma' and the number '6'. At another point in this chapter Ellis goes off on wider Sun symbols, and relates that the Nazi SS 'sigs' are esoteric (Dark) Sun symbols and that 'sig' derives from the Greek 'sigma' the 18th letter of the Greek alphabet. I can find no apparent link between 'stigma' and 'sigma' either.

In the next chapter, Ellis conjectures that the famous trip of Constantine's mother, Helena, to the Holy Lands was really a deft cover-up by Eusabius of that of a real trip by Queen Helena to the same, mentioned in The Doctrine of Addai. And thus that The Doctrine of Addai is older than typically accorded for it.
 

Seeker

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This all gets us to the 'business' in Revelation 13 about the 'mark' of the Beast, which must be placed upon either the forehead or the right hand -- in order to garner permission to do business in the marketplace.
So the mark of the beast may have originally been the mark of Jesus, two sides of the same coin? Does the Mark of Cain also fit into this from the very beginning, as Tupper Saussy said in "Rulers of Evil" that it was the signature of Anu with all of those rays coming out of it (like the Sun), is that right? No wonder Saussy could RECONCILIATE "the glorious gospel (Jesus)" with "the rule of law (Cain)"!
 

Richard Stanley

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No he didn't, but I was wondering about the Mark of Cain as well.

And, as I've mentioned on other threads 666 is also part of the sacred geometry system just as 888 is the number of the Sun, and IESOUS.
 

Seeker

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It seems Christmas at the Winter Solstice is when it all comes together, the birthday of the Son (Sun) of God, when we all remember and celebrate (or try to forget) that we all are behind the 8(88) ball. Perhaps the Signature/Mark of Anu/Cain could also represent the Star of Bethlehem at this time of year, hovering benevolently over the "shepherds", "sheepdogs", and "sheep", with the wise philosopher kings leading all of us on to it, and with space angels proclaiming good will (theirs) towards men. Saussy even gets Julius Caesar into the act, claiming that Caesarean Rome was inaugurated on Dec. 25, 48 BC , when Julius Caesar was declared in the Serapion, Alexandria's temple of Jupiter, as the incarnation of Jupiter, thus "Son of God", though I personally have never read of this ceremony anywhere else. It reminds me of the story of Basilides conferring the regalia of the Roman Emperor on Vespasian in this same Alexandria, though the Roman Senate did proclaim him Emperor at the Winter Solstice, Dec. 21, 69 AD. "It's The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year" to be with family, especially if you are a member of the Elite Family. Merovingian Christmas and Habsburg New Vere (remembering the late St. Nicholas 1957-2013)!
 
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Richard Stanley

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I have now watched the first 2 hours, of which Joe had to leave the show early. I thought it was very interesting about the horse thieve typology taken from Elijah, and which is amazing similar to Castor and Pollux who were famous for their horse riding and cattle rustling. Also, Joe brought of the Josephus story about Simon Peter and 'tektons' hiding under the temple ruins and burrowing out there, in relation to Jesus saying that he would build his church upon Peter.

I do disagree with Ralph in that I think that Josephus/Paul was merely playing his assigned role in the system. Paul building the exoteric church while the 'tektonic' Nazarene wing building the new esoteric (inner) church. As such I think the Flavians and the imperial court understood exactly what was being constructed. The inner church can not be seen by the outer churches faithful as being truly part of the church ... else the sheep start to question what their value is in the system.

In this regard I thought Ellis's reference to Trump claiming that America's roots are Roman is very apropos ... of my claim about the relationships then and that Trump knows exactly what the game is ... and what his role in it is.
 

Richard Stanley

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All well and fine, except that in the process Ellis links the Greek word 'stigma' to the Aramaic number 6, shesh. The later coins sometimes show a silk flap apparently covering up the 'wart' or mark and silk is Aramaic is 'shesh' as well. Ellis claims this is the source of our word 'sash'.

The problem here, is that Ellis does not demonstrate the relationship between 'stigma' and the number '6'. At another point in this chapter Ellis goes off on wider Sun symbols, and relates that the Nazi SS 'sigs' are esoteric (Dark) Sun symbols and that 'sig' derives from the Greek 'sigma' the 18th letter of the Greek alphabet. I can find no apparent link between 'stigma' and 'sigma' either.
Well, I did find the following, which means that a spelling that appears to say 'sigma' was really meant to be taken (by some?) as a 'stigma'.

The below from: https://www.wordnik.com/words/stigma (Quite a website BTW)

from The Century Dictionary:
  • noun In Greek grammar and paleography, a ligature (ς) still sometimes used for στ (st), and also used as a numeral.
Why is that 's' considered a 'ligature' character? A ligature combination of the 's' and 't'? As far as I can tell, that form of a sigma 's' was supposed to be used for the end of a word, not the beginning or middle. And, how old is this particular ligature? It's doesn't seem to be listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthographic_ligature
 

Seeker

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Also, Joe brought of the Josephus story about Simon Peter and 'tektons' hiding under the temple ruins and burrowing out there, in relation to Jesus saying that he would build his church upon Peter.
Interesting, and Simon bar Giora was executed somehow in Rome, wasn't he? One version is by being thrown from the Tarpeian Rock, so he "flew" unsuccessfully in Rome, which also happened to Simon Magus. I wonder if Simon Peter and Simon Magus could be the same person, with a "good" side and a "bad" side, sort of like psychological "twins", to compare that motif to the Jesus "twins". So Jesus is "executed" and succeeded as would be Emperor by the Flavians, and "Pope" Peter is executed in Rome and succeeded by Clement, also a Flavian?
 

Seeker

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We can even extend this "twin" motif to today, as Pope Francis, the "White Pope", and his "twin", Jesuit Superior General Arturo Sosa, the "Black Pope", are both the first South Americans to hold either office. As Pope Francis is himself a Jesuit, would this make them "joined at the hip" also?
 

Richard Stanley

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Given the stink being made by the Traditionalist Catholics today over Francis's 'heresies', he may indeed become the Last Pope, the Omega Man of the dying Age. How ironic to see the American Traditionalists claim that Francis hates the USA, when that was always the case, e.g. the decrying of Modernism and Materialism.
 

Seeker

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If Francis is the Last Pope, perhaps that is why a Jesuit was chosen, to provide the transition to their succession under the Superior General, who will eventually provide us with a "Space Jesus".
 

Richard Stanley

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I think so. This is also why one sees so many odd political positions taken today in the Trump Tableau, with so many of the players on both sides from Georgetown's Casting Central.
 

Richard Stanley

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The following is an interesting animation of the Siege of Jerusalem, which seems to follow Josephus's description pretty well as I remember it. This seems to be the product of all the historical gaming animations today. Of course, it leaves out many extraneous details not directly associated with the combat, but nevertheless it helps make some spatial sense and scale of the matter.

 

Charles Watkins

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That's a good video, both for its production and clarity. There's another one on Masada.

I didn't realize that Titus had such a personal role in the fighting. I'd always thought of Heavy Infantry being the Roman strength, but it looks like it was the Cavalry that saved the day.

I wish there had been more about Jewish factionalism -- e.g. where is our boy Izates? And what of other Roman officers, such as Herod Agrippa?
 

Seeker

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Apparently Izates is a "Jesus" within the besieged Jerusalem, who undergoes a mock crucifixion when it falls to Titus, and is sent to Rome, and eventually, Deva Victrix in Chester.
 

Charles Watkins

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The leaders of the major factions were Simon Bar-Giora, John of Gischala, and Eleazar the Zealot. I suppose the best fit for the Izates character would be a lieutenant of Eleazar, who supposedly counseled him on circumcision. If he were of the Eleazar faction, then he would have been active in the defense of Antonia.
 

Jerry Russell

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Charles and Seeker, thanks for your participation. I apologize for my increasing absence from the Forum. I've been sucked into a litigation predicament.
 
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