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Tupper Saussy tells us in "Rulers of Evil" that one should become a "Reconciler", who submits to the governing authorities and pays the taxes one owes, neither of which he did, but I am learning to listen, as he did.
 

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the number 666 represents the physical Sun, as 888 represents the Sun's spirit
For almost 1700 years we have also had our "Sunday" on the first day of the week as our day of "rest", as decreed by the Neo-FLAVIAN Roman Emperor Constantine the Great, the first "Christian" Emperor. An important independent exception from this rule was made for "persons engaged in agriculture", showing that even the powers that be recognized that "no farmers, no food!", or, as put by American Founding Father and President Thomas Jefferson, "Those who labour in the earth are the CHOSEN PEOPLE of GOD", does this include the gentry (Gentiles), which Jefferson himself was certainly a member of?
 

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Jefferson is an exemplar of contradictions in such as expedience versus principles, so I'm never quite sure what to make of him. He was certainly a so-called "gentleman farmer" ... with slaves, but did he ever get his hands dirty in the soil?
 

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He certainly did not work out in the fields every day, but he was an experimental farmer and horticulturist, which would imply some hands-on activity,
 

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Richard had a thread last year entitled "The Ba'al Theory of Christian Origins". If Jesus was indeed a male line Berber through "Panthera" Ptolemy of Mauretania, and the Libyans (Berbers) influenced the uniting of their god Ammon with the Ba'al of the Phoenicians, could Jesus then have been the human sacrifice to end all human sacrifices (overtly), as I gathered from that thread, through his own personal heritage and direct "sacrifice"? Also note that Simon of Cyrene, another North African like Jesus presumably was, carries the cross for Jesus, and perhaps even SACRIFICES himself for him. Berber god Ammon who united with Phoenician god Ba'al was personified by the ram (at Carthage he was known as Ba'al Hammon and was personified by the ram, not the bull), and Abraham is allowed to sacrifice a RAM (Genesis 22:13) instead of his son Isaac at the very last minute before the altar offering, as Simon (the scapegoat?) was sacrificed for Son of God Jesus at the very last minute before the crucifixion begins. The Greeks did indeed identify their supreme god Zeus with Ammon, and of course in turn Zeus eventually became Jupiter to the Romans. Add to this an unproven theory that the Berbers themselves, instead of being native North Africans, were originally the Phoenicians who settled Carthage, although another claim is made that, vice versa, the Phoenicians originally descended from North Africa, as attested by linguistic evidence. Whether the Berbers were or not, they certainly did intermingle with them after the Phoenicians founded that city.
 
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The standard theory for the origins of the Phoenicians, as far as I know, is being from the Persian Gulf (like Qatar?). If one is to go on the classical artistic representations of Semitic peoples such as the Phoenicians (say from Egyptian wall art), then I would tend to discount a strong link between the Berbers and the Phoenicians, till the 'late' trade migrations that is.

Don't forget to type your new text outside of the 'Quote' boxes. You might still be able o edit this, but I don't remember how much time we allow for editting.
 

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Yes, I was trying to be impartial, but that Phoenician origin theory for Berbers is vociferously denied by native Berbers, as one might imagine. After the Phoenicians began colonizing North Africa, they gradually intermingled with and married into the native Berber population, as you said. Herodotus stated that the Phoenicians originated from the Erythraean Sea, which the "Periplous of the Erythraean Sea" extended to the Persian Gulf, perhaps that was what you were thinking of.
 

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Pale, blonde, blue-eyed, indigenous, claiming racial lineage from the mythical Atlanteans along with the Basques, believed to have Cro-Magnon ancestry, as you had mentioned earlier. Very unusual, that's for sure. I have heard that Robert Sepehr, the narrator, promotes a racial supremacist agenda, however, though I have no knowledge of him personally.
 

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Robert Sepehr goes from the Cro-Magnon ancestry of the Berbers straight into Predynastic red and blonde haired Egyptian mummies, does this has something to do with the assertions of the late Nicholas de Vere with his "Dragon Legacy"? One of the ancient Berber gods was "Draco", by the way.
 

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I've only watched a few of his many videos and have caught what might be a racial trend, but haven't researched further to see if that is true, or whether he is just 'reporting' what's out there, so to speak. So infer no endorsement one way or the other from me.

It's quite possible that there is some overlap between Sepehr and DeVere's approaches, but at least in the latter's book he limits his narrow clan to a specific region of origin, or seems to. This not appearing to point to an Atlantis. But, then again, DV does not extend his scope of inquiry (as I remember) back in time sufficient that might allow for such a nexus. In any case, he's only concerned with his red-haired, green-eyed clan .. with genetic shaman qualities (according to him).

That said, and for full disclosure, I think it is clear now, that we are witnessing a veiled race (sometimes using racism) to re-establish [sic] global hegemony from what had existed before ~12,000 years ago. That which had existed and was destroyed by a cosmic impactor and subsequent flooding from rapid icecap and glacial melting. It is now understood that the Sahara was once a well watered and populated place, as was what is now the Amazon and all the Americas. And why a 'Semitic' tongue seems to have been at least one global common denominator, e.g. that the Hawaiian 'kahuna' is the same as 'cohen'. (Of course, the Hawaiians aren't originally from Hawaii.)
 
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What made me think of de Vere was that I have seen references to him and his red-haired, green-eyed clan on Postflaviana, and that in the past I had seen a genealogy he had posted (obviously before his decease in 2013) showing the de Vere descent from Anu, Cain, Ham, Nimrod, and the Egyptian Pharaohs, which made me think of the red/blonde-haired mummies Sepehr was describing in his video. He also had "Jesus" descending from this line of Pharaohs also, although there was no mention of Atlantis or aliens, because I believe he did not go far enough back in time, and appeared to be trying to prove a point by showing his own unique de Vere ancestry, as you mentioned, without reference to other theories. Yes, it appears that mainstream and alternative history researchers at least agree that the Berbers inhabited the Sahara when it was verdant.
 
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Ah, de Vere does point to an Atlantis, but not the Atlantis of Plato, which he believes is too far back in time and in the wrong place. http://dragoncourt.net/09.html about 2/3 of the way down. To him, Atlantis was the "Sacred Mountain", believed to be the Pontus Euxine (Black Sea) after the original Flood. Actually, I also remember reading in the past that anyone with a proven Plantagenet (Anjou) descent can bypass the de Vere line and tap into this special lineage, because, as de Vere himself admitted, the Foulques Counts of Anjou, the original Plantagenets, were the junior branch of the senior De Vere Anjou line, at least according to his reckoning.
 

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http://www.dagobertsrevenge.com/devere/Genealogies/DragonDescentFiles/DragonDescentOne.JPG
http://www.dagobertsrevenge.com/devere/Genealogies/DragonDescentFiles/DragonDescentTwo.JPG
OK, I found the genealogy of Nicholas de Vere (1957-2013) and allied families, going back to Tiamat (Mother Hubbur), Dragon Queen of the Anunnaki. I forgot to mention that redheaded Esau also figures into this genealogy, along with countless other "celebrities" including Princess Melusine and your millennial William the Conqueror (see, I do read some of your stuff, but it will probably take me a "millennium" to read everything on this site!). He even has Mary Magdalene as the great-granddaughter of Judas of "Gamla"! Because of my English ancestry I can connect to this pedigree in several ways, as I am sure that you and Jerry can also. By the way, I know that Nicholas de Vere must have had cousins, so who succeeded him as the Head Dragon, or did this whole business go down the tubes after his "ascension"?
 

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or did this whole business go down the tubes after his "ascension"?
What do you mean by "this whole business"?

I haven't really had time to research NdV's claims beyond what he himself stated in the book, so I don't know any more that that, except from my separate research threads into such as Normans and various Stanleys.

But, yes, NdV did state that they were indeed the real players of the Bible. Judas of Gamla? Must be yet another individual. :rolleyes:
 

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What I mean is that no one appears to have succeeded him and carried on as the head of this Dragon Society, all of the articles and books online about it appear to be old ones of his, with no present leader of this supposedly over 600 year old exclusive organization of elite bloodlines with special powers. It sort of reminds me of how the "Priory of Sion" disappeared after the decease of Pierre Plantard, although he was exposed as a phony years before he passed away. In the case of NdV there were rumors at the time that he had been murdered, though this was never proven. Or did the "Merovingians" and the "Dragons" go underground, as my understanding is that the Rosicrucians operate in alternate 108 year cycles, being publicly in the world and then secretly, is it something like that? Perhaps "Jesus" has the answer, "For many are called, but few are chosen".
 

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Having posted verification that the Dragon Court still existed beyond the lifetime of NdV, I have been doing some digging on the above posted de Vere genealogy. and still maintain that many people can bypass the de Vere family and connect to it, including myself, so I do not consider it an "exclusive" bloodline, just as I do not consider myself a "real player", but I must admit that NdV was quite erudite about how "special" it was regarding the powers his clan utilized from having that bloodline, so I shall withhold judgment on that for now. However, in my opinion, NdV had a very loose definition on whom a de Vere actually was, as strictly going by his naming of individuals in his genealogy, not mine, I can call myself a "de Vere" descendant, even though that is not my surname. He states that he took a DNA test to prove that he belonged to this bloodline, all well and good. However, he is actually a Scottish Weir, not a member of the famous English de Vere family. Yes, he has his genealogy originate with that famous family, but there are at least two father/son relationships in that line that are in dispute, being not supported by documentary evidence, but someone's speculation. Just to be clear, I am talking about that famous de Vere line that came to England about the time of the Norman Conquest, and then supposedly in this genealogy had a line migrate to Scotland and become Weir(?), not the presumed de Veres before that, who have no historical foundation. Also, in case one may think that NdV was special because he had an unbroken male line descent from Weirs/Veres? for at least 1300 years, he did not. He certainly had maternal descents from the Weirs, but his biological male line is from the Thompsons, as he had an ancestress named Margaret Weir in the 18th century, who gave birth to a son by an Archibald Thompson, and who was given the name Archibald Weir. There are conflicting sources as to whether Margaret Weir was actually married to this Thompson father of her child or not, but whatever powers or gifts NdV may have had were from his maternal lines, which of course is taking nothing away from him at all, as he claimed to be descended from Dragon "Queens" in the first place.
 
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Putting aside the true identity of the late "Nicholas de Vere", and getting back to "Jesus", I find it quite intriguing that in his ancient de Vere pedigree, if accurate, is the designation of Mary Magdalene as a High Priestess of DAN, a previously mentioned Postflaviana "hot topic". Could this have been something else that made this Jesus family especially worth disguising in the eyes of Josephus and the Romans, if they really knew whom he was?
Also, again whether accurate or not, since Ralph Ellis has Jesus ending up in England, NdV has the descendants of Jesus ending up in England also, both "his" de Vere "Dragon" ones and the "Merovingian" descended de Boulogne ones of Pierre Plantard's "Priory of Sion", whom NdV also makes de Veres, the "true" Kings of England, and with a daughter of theirs marrying the "official" King Stephen of England, grandson of the NORMAN William the Conqueror. Whether he intended to or not, NdV apparently carried on the unsuccessful(?) work of Pierre Plantard and made his "lineage" the premier Grail bloodline by synthesizing it with the one Plantard and his associates had "created", but now he too is gone, does that mean another male candidate is needed to be chosen, and for what, exactly, and by whom? By coincidence, Nicholas de Vere passed away quite suddenly on Feb. 26, 2013, and 2 days later Pope Benedict XVI resigned as Pope of the Roman Catholic Church, with the first Jesuit Pope, Francis, elected less than 2 weeks later, on March 13, two days before the Ides of March. Pope Francis did not give his first audience until the day after the Ides, on March 16.
In an earlier post, I had mentioned the alternate public and silent 108 year cycles of the Rosicrucians. AMORC, the premier American branch of the Rosicrucians, had they adhered strictly to this tradition, should have closed down publicly in 2017, again, by coincidence, the year that Donald Trump was inaugurated as President of the United States in January. Another coincidence is that the original American AMORC was torn apart by schism in the 1990's, just as America now appears to be torn apart by schism today.
 
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