Richard Stanley

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Thx Charles.

I had been on their site some years ago, and they do indeed have some interesting material. But, yes, those equations are a bit too much it seems.
 

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On that same site, in an article called "Plutarch's Parables", written Nov. 28, 2004, Paula J. Gott had Apollonius of Tyana, born circa 4 BC, becoming Jesus at the time of his ministry and "death", afterwards living in Alexandria from about 30-50 AD as Philo (the brother of Alexander of Alabarch), and then becoming Apollonius again after the "death" of Philo about 50 AD, until Apollonius disappears for the final time at Ephesus about 97 AD. I was disappointed that she did not then make him John the Beloved Disciple, as they both at one time were supposed to have lived about 100 years and finally retired to Ephesus. She also claimed that Jesus was the father of St. Mark and also Damis, the companion and chronicler of Apollonius, plus a daughter, JoAnna, who continued his bloodline. Mary Magdalene was from Ethiopia and had black skin, hence the later "Black Madonnas". Finally, we are all in this for our 15 minutes of fame on Postflaviana, as "Theophilus", whom Luke addressed his writings to. This is because, according to Gott, that name is Greek, "Theo" for "things religious" (theology), and "philus" is Greek for "love". So, if you are a lover of the study of "religion" you are a "Theophilus", and I just may change my "nom de plume" to that, I think that it gives me more class! Seriously, I agree, this site does have some interesting material, if one is willing to separate the wheat from the chaff, if I may quote from Luke (Plutarch?) and Matthew (Josephus?).
 

Richard Stanley

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Mary Magdalene was from Ethiopia and had black skin, hence the later "Black Madonnas".
I thought that normally the Black Madonna is associated with ... the Madonnas, i.e. the Virgin Mary via Isis.

But then, there are the legends that the Magdalene was a mommy too.
So, if you are a lover of the study of "religion" you are a "Theophilus", and I just may change my "nom de plume" to that, I think that it gives me more class!
I dub thee Theophiluseeker.
 

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(1) You are right, normally the Black Madonna is associated with the Virgin Mary, but Ms. Gott appears to be (or have been) into the Jesus had a wife and kid(s) rage at that time (2004), remember "Holy Blood, Holy Grail", and "The Da Vinci Code"? Yet, I enjoyed reading her article, she tries so hard using disparate sources and is so obviously sincere, that I appreciate her efforts, though I may personally disagree with her.
(2) I like the ring of that, so close to the sound of "philosopher", and do appreciate my advancement from Postknavian to Postknighthood!
 

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have you read Atwill's Caesar's Messiah
I have started to, and I suppose this is nitpicking, but right off the bat, unless he has corrected it in revised editions, on page 4 of his Introduction he describes Vitellius as "the last of the Julio-Claudian emperors". Nero was the last of the Julio-Claudian emperors, who committed suicide in 68 AD, while Vitellius was one of the "Four Emperors" the next year who usurped the throne, is this not elementary ancient Roman history? Also, on page 5, he states that Julius Alexander Lysimarchus (has he conflated two brothers?) was the ruler of the Alexandrian Jews because he held the title of "abalarch"(alabarch?), which is actually the title of a Roman appointed Egyptian customs magistrate, although I agree that because of his status and wealth Alexander would have had great influence over the Jews there, if that is what Mr. Atwill means. I believe that, overall, I agree with the "big picture" that Mr. Atwill is painting. and only mention these little mistakes, that I have found so far, because I believe that it hurts his cause when critics pounce upon them. It seems to be because of an obvious lack of proofreading, not lack of insight, because I am finding his book easy to read and comprehend, and I believe that he projects his ideas well to the public with his writing style.
 
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It looks as though the "Big Brother" Academia site is watching me, they just sent me an email noticing that I am reading the "Caesar's Messiah" that they sent me. Could I be metamorphosing into a paranoid conspiracy theorist?
 

Richard Stanley

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I've noticed a similar phenomenon where things that I have been typing or looking at online seem to trigger very specific video recommendations on Youtube. I very rarely have to search for material on YouTube these days. Most (99.9%) of that activity that I do has no relation to my Android devices or Chrome browser, and I use DuckDuckGo for my search engine.
 

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Yes, they do that to me on YouTube also, under "Recommended for you". The logical explanation would be that it is an Internet advertising ploy, but I have also seen the Internet described as (1) "The New Gutenberg Press", meaning that the NWO will be eventually be defeated once everyone gets together and exposes/learns the "truth" from the postings there, or (2) "The All Seeing Eye", meaning that everything that is posted is under the scrutiny of this same NWO who owns the Internet, and, to paraphrase what I have observed before, "the gods are laughing at us".
 

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HaHa, as I was just writing the previous post, "Academia" sent me an email announcing that I have been cited in a History of Religion paper uploaded to them, so they must know that you dubbed me "Theophiluseeker"!
 

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In Ellis' King Jesus book he identified a good candidate for being the real John the Baptist, with Yahai being his unadultered original name, as he is similarly also known today by the Mandaeans as Yahya. He 'was' also depicted on a sarcophagus in Palmyra, that is if ISIS/ISIL didn't destroy it.

Then from Jesus, King of Edessa Ellis writes:

In The Doctrine of Addai, as discussed in a later chapter, there are claims that King Abgarus wrote some letters to Emperor Tiberius of Rome, complaining about the (Roman) maltreatment of a Jewish holy man (ie: Jesus himself). In reality, these accounts are quite possibly faint memories of the letters that were sent from King Abgarus to Emperor Tiberius about the death of John the Baptist (and also about the battle between Herod and Aretas). And Josephus records Herod doing the very same thing:
So Herod wrote about these affairs to Tiberius, who being very angry at the attempt made by Aretas, wrote to Vitellius to make war upon him, and either to take him alive, and bring him to him in bonds, or to kill him, and send him his head. This was the charge that Tiberius gave to the president of Syria. (Ant 18:5:1)
Ellis, Ralph. Jesus, King of Edessa (The King Jesus Trilogy Book 3) (Kindle Locations 2938-2944). Edfu Books. Kindle Edition.​

The backdrop to this John the Baptist story is these two different accounts of the conflict between Herod Antipas and King Aretas of Nabatea. It ultimately revolves around the treatment of Aretas' daughter in marriage to the Herodian brothers, the complaint that JtB had which got his head lopped off, according to the Bible.

In any case, where Joseph is consistent in ignoring the royals of Edessa, Moses of Chorene has no such qualms. As Ellis has noted, works such as Moses of Chorene have only recently become better known in the West, where they confirm the existence of the Edessan royalty in addition to such as coins, in contrast to such as Josephus' 'Adiabene'.

We were following Josephus Flavius’ accounts of the Adiabene family, as penned in his Antiquities, and the next item of interest is a battle between King Aretas of Nabataea and Tetrarch Herod Antipas of Judaea. And what does this minor skirmish have to do with Adiabene or Edessa? Well Josephus says of it:
So Aretas made ... enmity between him and Herod (Antipas), who had also some quarrel with him about their limits at the country of Gamalitis. So they raised armies on both sides, and prepared for war, and sent their generals to fight instead of themselves; and when they had joined battle, all Herod’s army was destroyed by the treachery of some fugitives, who, though they were of the tetrarchy of Philip, joined with Aretas’s army. (Ant 18:5:1)
At first reading this battle appears to have little or nothing to do with either of the provinces we are interested in. But that is because we are only reading Josephus’ account and Josephus can be devious and deceptive, as we know. Luckily, the Syriac historians also knew of this minor skirmish down in Judaea and Moses of Chorene says of it:
King Abgar having returned to his city Edessa allied himself with Aretas, king of Petra, and gave him some auxiliary troops under the command of Khosran Ardzrouni, to make war upon Herod (Antipas) ... Being sharply attacked, Herod’s troops were defeated, thanks to the help of the brave Armenians (the Edessans). (Moses of Chorene, History of Armenia, 2:29)

Ellis, Ralph. Jesus, King of Edessa (The King Jesus Trilogy Book 3) (Kindle Locations 2859-2871). Edfu Books. Kindle Edition.
 
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Richard Stanley

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HaHa, as I was just writing the previous post, "Academia" sent me an email announcing that I have been cited in a History of Religion paper uploaded to them, so they must know that you dubbed me "Theophiluseeker"!
You mean the text mentioned "Theophiluseeker"? Or "Seeker"? Have you looked at the paper?
 

Seeker

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No, that last part of my sentence is just me having a bit of fun, Academia sent that message to my email address, but not my "name" here, and of course they want to charge me for looking at the paper, the bait for a Postflavian "fish"!
 

Seeker

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It ultimately revolves around the treatment of Aretas' daughter in marriage to the Herodian brothers, the complaint that JtB had which got his head lopped off, according to the Bible
So if I understand this correctly, John the Baptist may have been the same as King Aretas, whom Josephus states was originally named "Aeneas" (the name of the Trojan who came to Italy), and whose alleged mausoleum in Petra, Al-Khazneh, has the entrance flanked by statues of Castor and Pollux.
 

Richard Stanley

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No, I don't believe King Aretas is being equated with JtB. Rather that Yahai/Yahya the Baptist was a Palmyran relative of King Abgarus, and Yahai complained about the illegal marriage in support of Aretas.
 
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In looking up info on John the Baptist, I came across the following, of which is a humungous single paragraph text, filled with factoids.

The Umayyad Mosque, also known as the Great Mosque of Damascus (Arabic transliteration: Ğām' Banī 'Umayya al-Kabīr) or formerly the Basilica of Saint John the Baptist (Greek transliteration: Vasilikí tou Agíou Ioánni tou Vaptistí), located within the circuit walls of the old city of Damascus, is one of the largest and oldest mosques in the world. It is considered the fourth-holiest place in Islam. After the Arab conquest of Damascus in 634, the mosque was incorporated into the Christian Basilica dedicated to John the Baptist (Yahya). The mosque holds a shrine which today may still contain the head of John the Baptist, honored as a prophet by both Christians and Muslims alike, and is believed to be the place where Isa (Jesus) will return at the End of Days. ...

It seems that the site of this Damascus mosque and basilica was previously a huge and important Roman temple, meant to rival the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. Before that it was a traditional pagan Canaanite/Semitic temple, of which the storm god, Ba'al Hadad-Ramman, was assimilated to the storm god Zeus-Jupiter (himself an assimilated god of the Greco-Romans). Those gods just loved to merge. This mosque seemed to be of particular interest to Pope John Paul II on his visit there.

According to the text, this site was the instigating location of the Arab Spring particular to Syria, of which is still going on today. If one follows such matters closely enough, then they know that via covert connections, such as Al Qaeda and ISIS/ISIL are 'merely' terrorist fronts used to hide powerful others' hidden agendas. On the surface they appear against such as globalizing agendas, but in reality they are the tools of such. Same for the Nasari/Ismaili Assassins (not mentioned in the text) during the Crusade period, and the Zealots and Sicarii of the prior millennium.

The hereditary leaders of the Ismailis, their Aga Khans, claim descent from Muhammed, but then so does Queen Elizabeth II. The Aga Khan after WWI, was the leader of the League of Nations, and a later one was good college friends and a frequent tennis mate with George HW Bush. Then VP Bush stayed at this Aga Khan's estate when visiting Switzerland. Of course, Bush 41 was good friends with the Sunni Bin Laden family as well, but such is nothing but a small world, right?

As I've mentioned before, normative Islamic commentators, during the Crusade era, would complain of the Nasari/Nizari being in league with such as the Knights Templar, of whom the latter revered John the Baptist over Jesus. The Nasari, IMHO, may indeed be the Shiite Muslim remnants of the original gnostic Naasenes, or Nazarenes.

And the link states:

... The Ottomans fully restored the mosque, but largely maintained the original structure. Until 1899 the mosque's library included the "very old" Qubbat al-Mal collection; "most of its holdings were given to the German emperor William II and only a few pieces kept for the National Archives in Damascus." ...

As I have commented elsewhere, on the rise of the Nazi's and their association with what became today's global Islamic jihad, it was not only Kaiser Wilhelm II and his friend Max Von Oppenheimer, that helped the last Ottomans spark global jihad, but Wilhelm is held by many to have been the real sponsor of what became seen as the social collapse of the Weimar Republic, because of the insanely stupid WWI. No WWI, no Nazis. No Nazis, no Israel. (Added 9/5/19)


In any case, I was hoping to find a pic of the tomb that Ellis showed a picture of, to see if it was really named the Tomb of Yahai. I was only able to find an image of something very similar, maybe the same, except that Ellis' sarcophagi still had their heads, pun intended(?). Supposedly the below pic was taken well before the current violent period, and the backdrop is different than shown in Ellis' pic. Maybe it has all been moved and such?

The link for the pic has a lot of Palmyran stone reliefs shown as being in Russia. I just had another YouTube recommendation where it discussed the Russians' heavy religious interest in places like Palmyra, going much further than their more secular geopolitical interests in Syria today. And, of course, the Assads are of the mysterious Alawite sect.

So what? Well, Ellis shows a very curious burial artifact from Dewa Fortress (pg. 447 of King Jesus), showing a man reclining in just the same posture (supposedly depicting a banquet in the afterlife) as the one dead center below. That's what!!!

The below is from the Palmyran Tomb of the Three Brothers:
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Tombstone of Deva Victrix, the reclining man is one Marcus Aurelius Lucius, with a severed head underneath him, is this the Ralph Ellis picture in "King Jesus"?570571
 

Richard Stanley

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Yes, this it!!!

But I wonder how they knew about the severed head, unless there were fragments available to demonstrate such?

Also, note the symbol formed between the legs of Marcus Aurelius Lucius, more subdued in the sketch.
 

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Yes, I am thinking that there were other fragments that they didn't show in this picture, also. They only had this photo of the largest intact piece, would be my educated guess. To my inexperienced gaze, it looks like his legs are forming some kind of Roman (or Masonic?) Arch, but you no doubt see something more specific, perhaps Mithraic?. That's not framing an "All-Seeing Eye", is it?
 
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