From Chrest to Christ

[Richard Stanley]

This New Thinking Allowed video discusses the Greek philosophical gloss in Christianity as well as making a distinction between the gospels and Paul's contribution. This discussion is complementary to what I have discussed on this thread via Fideler's work, Jesus Christ, Sun of God.

Grimes take on the Logos as Self is rather unique, and makes a lot of sense. And opens a possibility of interpreting the Gospel of John dramatically different, and Grimes discusses the impact of its mistranslations.

He discusses the pagan gods in the same manner as I do, that a respective pantheon represents different 'principles' via each member god or goddess at the higher philosophical or esoteric level. He relates the Greek gods to the Hindu. Grimes briefly discusses the relationship of Jewish kabbalah to the Greek system.

And from an outflow a mention of the Greek's use of their 'article' for our 'the' there is a very interesting brief discussion of the dynamic conceptual importance of the English definitive article "the". Mentioned is that such as the Russian consider the use of articles very subversive, seriously. I know that it is a difficult concept for such as Russians to make use of definitive 'the' and general 'a' when learning English, they frequently omit them or use the wrong one.

At ~37 minutes Grimes makes a distinction between the sacrifice(s) (Isaac and Jesus) with that of Prometheus, and says that we really need the mythos of Prometheus ... the tools to free mankind of the drudgery of ... menial labor. And then a short mention of the UBI and automation.

And the same corruption of John is found in the translations of Plato.

 

[Richard Stanley]

The following video is quite important, following on from the two above. Grimes discusses the nature of Plato's treatment of Homer, making use of elements of it, but discouraging its use in society. Seemingly odd, but Grimes explains it. Grimes also mentions affinities between Homer and Plato with the Eastern systems, and this all makes sense in my earlier question of whether Xianity is bastardized Buddhism or not.

While the discussion does not mention the typological relationship of Homer to Xianity as MacDonald does or as I have developed, one can clearly see the reason why the Homeric works were considered of 'spiritual' value albeit not organized into a formal religion as with Xianity. Grimes develops the same emphasis in Homer on the Self, and its development, as would Plato, and here that the word 'self' is identically mistranslated to 'itself' totally changing the meaning away from the reader or audience.

The discussion of Plato's ideal state is brought up and that Plato only offers it up as some heavenly notion and dismisses that it would be implemented on Earth. Next then is mentioned the Noble Lie, and it dawned on me then that Xianity was the Noble Lie (in this case inverted into the Ignoble Lie) enacted, only that it had been severely bastardized in doing so. This comes from the very misdirection from the (improvement of the)'Self', and the sole dependence on God and Jesus (and his Vicar --manifest as overt or disguised caesaro-papism).

They go on to discuss the Mysteries, such as at Eleusis, and induced Near Death Experiences. And that there is a thought that the 'active' component in the mysteries was actually something like LSD. Such benefical use is only now being reconfirmed by Science in helping ones' Self deal with impending death, PTSD and such.

Such is why Catholics and NeoCatholics see hallucinogens as such an existential threat to their mind slavery matrix, and why these must remain illegal to use. As such, their symbol should be the ouroborass, a man with his head up his ass. And maybe this was why Jesus was depicted as a man with a donkey head.

 

[Richard Stanley]

The following is a presentation by the Binary Research Institute on what causes the precession of the equinoxes and related. I am posting it on this thread because it touches on Mithraism. Similarly, before too long I will post some of Randall Carlson's lectures on what the Mysteries were all about, and how they relate to the precessional Great Year.

The BRI posits the notion that precession is actually caused by the existence of a binary star to our Sun, likely a red dwarf -- because we can't see it. And that the precessional duration is really closer to 24,000 total than the 25,920 years usually claimed. They claim that there is evidence that the orbital speed changes with the respective proximity to the binary twin within each cycle. This last is of interest to me because of the 24 millennial elders sitting around God, the Sun, in the Book of Revelation.

 

[Richard Stanley]

This post is not what I had teased in the prior post, about the mysteries, but definitely is related, deriving from the esoteric lineage of the earlier mysteries into the last centuries.

The below is Orpheus / Bacchus nailed to a cross ... or is it an anchor? Note also the position of the crescent Moon and the 7 stars. This image was on the cover or Freke and Gandy's The Jesus Mysteries, and is displayed at 13 minutes into the second of Randall Carlson's presentations discussing and building on the book The Mysteries of the Great Cross of Hendaye by Weidner and Bridges. Both books should be in everyones' libraries.

I have briefly mentioned the Hendaye book on other threads: https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?search/4108/&q=Hendaye&c[users]=Richard+Stanley&o=date

I don't remember whether this was in the Hendaye book or not, but Carlson develops an esoteric meaning for the word 'apocalypse' which is usually rendered as 'revelation'. Instead, Carlson delivers 'epoch-ellipse', which makes sense within this tableau.

Note in the below the 'alchemical 'A' (he says the name but does not spell it), of which can be seen in such early depictions of the Alpha and Omega. Also, that the wreath forms a Vesica Piscis bound by two X's. In the context of the discussion, we can see the two arcs representing the 'crossing' of two orbits in their intersecting planes.

Note the 'A' in the upper left, and that it is different from the 'A's in the words inside the table:

 

[Seeker]

The below is Orpheus / Bacchus nailed to a cross ... or is it an anchor?

Is there a date for this representation?

 

[Richard Stanley]

According to Freke and Gandy it's a 3rd century CE seal ring amulet.

 

[Richard Stanley]

I don't remember whether this was in the Hendaye book or not, but Carlson develops an esoteric meaning for the word 'apocalypse' which is usually rendered as 'revelation'. Instead, Carlson delivers 'epoch-ellipse', which makes sense within this tableau.

I struggled about where to place this video and decided this was the best place.

Carlson delivers his interpretation of what the Holy Grail real is metaphorically referring to, and Joseph of Arimathea briefly comes up. Also, note the discussion of 666 (and 888 for Iesous, which Carlson misses mentioning as also the number for the Magic Square of the Sun), the Beast, and then a discussion of various zodiacal and related beasts.

 

[Richard Stanley]

In the following new video, Derek teases some aspects of Luther's coming new book on Xian esotericism. As with David Fideler's approach in his Jesus Christ, Sun of God, it is impossible to fully understand the wider Christian phenomenon without a good understanding of its esoteric underpinnings, in other words -- the "inner church". Simply dismissing it with a 'modernist' lens, whether that of the Christian exotericist or that of a secularist, will necessarily lead to a figurative blindness.

As such, Luther discusses matters of the Roman / Jewish dialectic in a similar and complementary manner as I have tried to present, including the heavy zodiacal component. Such is also applicable to what Randall Carlson discusses, such as in the prior post on this thread.

When watching the following presentation, then one can appreciate the mention in Revelation of the alternating millenniums of that of Christ versus Satan's. It's all metaphorical and/or cosmic, rather than to be taken as literal history. Albeit that certain real historical entities, such as the Herodians are melded into the narratives.

When watching, also keep in mind that the Temple was meant to represent the cosmos, and thus the 'Christ' enters into the temple environs through the 'Golden Gate', a cosmic and precessional reference.

The discussion opens with a bit of time on Gematria, and Luther discusses it properly in that the Greek and Jewish systems are closely linked, likely deriving from a common older source. Such as 'Israel' spending '430' years in Egypt, coming out of 'Ramesses' is also telling me that, indeed, Judaism, came out of the ferment of the 18th and 19th Egyptian Dynasties, ala the Sabbah brothers, Ellis, Osman et al..

For those modern exoteric Christians and secularists with deaf ears, one must think in terms of the importance of harmonic resonances to to mechanical and electrical phenomenon to comprehend why such as the Pythagoreans, like Plato, and the esoteric Jews, placed such reverence upon 'Numbers'. The classical gods' very names were derived to fulfill their respective 'harmonic' (or the opposite) roles in Nature.

Luther provides three examples of why the 12 disciples are indeed of a metaphorical zodiacal nature, and no doubt this will be completed in his book. In this same vein I will post a Carlson video discussing the possible apocalyptic roots of all this system related to precessional aspects appearing linked to the Younger Dryas event and another later event. Luther also makes a brief comment on Thomas Didymas pertinent to me prior discussions about the divine twins on this thread.

 

[Richard Stanley]

Here is the video I mentioned in the prior post:

The following is the 'radiant' from the Leonid meteor shower as would have been seen at the dawn of the Younger-Dryas Event, seeming to come out of the constellation of Leo.




The following is an alignment from ~4,300 years ago, which may be the cause for the collapse of the IVC and Sumeria (from which Abraham's father, Terah, escapes from the destruction of). The red ray's are indicative of the Taurid meteor shower, and the importance of the Pleiades upon later religious development, such as in the OT. There has been an impact site in southern Iraq dated to about this time.

 

[Richard Stanley]

The following is a just born Mythvision interview with Jason Reza Jorjani about the relationship of Mithraism (and Zoroastrianism) to Xianity, Judaism, Islam, and ... Skull and Bones. There is a lot of overlap with my approach to such as Zodiacal End Times, and thus such as the symbology of the skull and bones (and the Chi Rho).

However, I still think that Barbiero's thesis that Roman era Mithraism was used to shoehorn Christianity into Imperial Rome is best. If the Constantine era Romans were worried about national security issues with the Sassanid form of radical monotheism taking over, they sure had no problems with the foreign Mithra cult throughout the officer ranks of the legions throughout the empire.

Also, it may be true that the red, white, and blue of the American flag have a Mithraic origin, but the American flag design is absolutely derived from the flags of the British East India Company. Jorjani also informs us that the Roman (and American) fasces had an origin in Persia. All of which further lead me to conclude that there is a contiguous "red thread" through all of this, consistent with Saussy's thesis.

Jorjani's thesis about the foundation of Islam is interesting, especially in light of Dan Gibson's assertion that Petra was the original Mecca.

They ponder whether Skull and Bonesman George W. Bush (43) was truly a moron or not. No, I believe that he was another "Lifetime Actor" as is Trump. Dubya's moronicness became less and less as time wore on, witnessed by his varying articulateness, same as I've documented with Trump.

 

[Richard Stanley]

I have posted a different sourced version of this Naked Archaeologist episode elsewhere, but since this portends to discussion of Mithraism in relation to Christianity, focusing on Constantine, I am posting this here. In my prior watching I did not notice that Jacobovici had noted the 8(?) figures posted around the top of Constantine's Arch were wearing Phyrigian caps. Of great interest is the discussion of what Constantine tried to accomplish, especially in light of our and others' claims that the earlier emperors covertly made 'Jesus' (Iesous) Christ their avatar.

Also discussed was that while the officers were doodling with Mithra, many of the pre-Constantine troops were already 'Christians' (and/or Chrestians?), doodling literally next door to each other. Of course, from places such as Meggido we know that Roman centurions had founded Christian churches back then. How I wish I could find discussion of a building site in Rome where a mithreaum had a connecting door into a Christian church, all owned by the same individual. Seeker?

 

[Seeker]

Could either of these be any leads for you?

http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/mithras/display.php?page=cimrm476

From an old Wikipedia article on Mithraism: "Bull and crypt are linked in the Christian saint Saturnin (frequently "Sernin" or "Saturninus") of Toulouse, France. The Mithraeum is retained as a crypt under his earliest church, evocatively named "Notre-Dame du Taur." "

 

[Richard Stanley]

I have posted this video on another thread, but it should be here as well, considering this is the main Greek memesis vector into Christianity.

 

[Richard Stanley]

Could either of these be any leads for you?

http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/mithras/display.php?page=cimrm476

From an old Wikipedia article on Mithraism: "Bull and crypt are linked in the Christian saint Saturnin (frequently "Sernin" or "Saturninus") of Toulouse, France. The Mithraeum is retained as a crypt under his earliest church, evocatively named "Notre-Dame du Taur." "

Sorry I missed your find.

Yes, this is interesting.

The church stands 3m above ground-level, on the basement level of a Roman building.2 This building was originally a private dwelling house, built around 95 AD. A graffito dated to 202 AD indicates that, sometime before then, part of the basement of the house was converted into a Mithraeum, by a member of the imperial family, with the permission of the emperor Septimius Severus. At about the same time another part of the basement was taken over by a Christian group, possibly through a certain Prisca. The Mithraeum was destroyed by the Christians around AD 400.3 It was filled up with rubble and stray materials from various sources, so the list of finds is very extensive and most likely unconnected to the Mithraeum.4​

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The fence and remains of the lion-headed god. Via Anglohermes.​

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The Mithraeum is entered through an ante-chamber which contains a pen, perhaps for smaller livestock. It is not large enough for a bull. In one corner of it, on the wall of the chamber, are the remains of a statue. A thigh, and fragments of a snake wrapped around the statue up to the waist, suggest that this is the remains of a statue of the lion-headed god.​

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The cult niche is at the east end.​

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The congregation of the Mithraeum was mainly Syrians, as the names of the initiates make clear; and there is also a reference to the new year on 20th November. Some of the same people were also associated with the temple of Jupiter Dolichenus on the Aventine, near the church of S. Alessio.5 ...​

http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/mithras/display.php?page=cimrm476​

So, now we have hints of the 'Syrian' Severans being linked in to Mithraism. Which is very interesting if Barbiero's Hasmonean thesis is true. It helps bolster my assertion that the Josephan/Flavian sides were secretly allied with the Nazarene side, ala "controlled opposition".

 

[Seeker]

Yes, and add to that the Ellis genealogy in "Jesus, King of Edessa", in which he links the Severans to the family of Izates/Jesus, which possibly included Josephus/Flavians, according to Roman Piso and Charles N. Pope.

 

[Seeker]

The church stands 3m above ground-level, on the basement level of a Roman building.2 This building was originally a private dwelling house, built around 95 AD. A graffito dated to 202 AD indicates that, sometime before then, part of the basement of the house was converted into a Mithraeum, by a member of the imperial family, with the permission of the emperor Septimius Severus. At about the same time another part of the basement was taken over by a Christian group, possibly through a certain Prisca.

Could this Prisca be the descendant or a relative of Priscilla (English form of Latin Prisca) and Aquila, companions of Paul?

 

[Jerry Russell]

Jorjani's thesis about the foundation of Islam is interesting

It's been a while, but I finally found the time to watch Jorjani's video to the end. I find myself feeling highly motivated to buy Jorjani's book, because again I'm wondering where he gets his information about the Mithraic mysteries and initiation rites. He claims that the rituals of Mithraism are embedded in modern Catholicism, and even more so in Freemasonry and its affiliates like Skull & Bones. This is very important to our thesis here, if it's verifiable.

I'm also curious to learn more about his views on the origins of Islam. He shares Emmet Scott's view that early Islam is intimately connected to Persia, but his theory seems very different in other respects.

 

[Richard Stanley]

This is very important to our thesis here, if it's verifiable.

Agreed.

I'm also curious to learn more about his views on the origins of Islam. He shares Emmet Scott's view that early Islam is intimately connected to Persia, but his theory seems very different in other respects.

I would guess that Dan Gibson's placing Mecca in Petra might make the Persian angle even more tenable. As well as the Parthian nexus of Ellis's thesis.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Have you seen Jorjani's latest interviews on New Thinking Allowed about Time Travel and other topics? That kinda throws things off

 

[Richard Stanley]

No. I'll have to search for it, unless you provide us a link first.