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Archduke Maximilian, born Sept. 6, 2019, the 262nd anniversary of the birth of his ancestor, the Marquis de Lafayette, one of whose ancestors, according to legend, acquired the "Crown of Thorns" during the Sixth Crusade.
It may be auspicious to have a Habsburg descendant of Lafayette born on the anniversary of his birth, coming from such an illustrious background, as Lafayette was baptized a Roman Catholic, and yet became an exponent of the ideals of the Enlightenment, taking a prominent part in both the American and French Revolutions, "The Hero of Two Worlds". There is also a Roman parallel in his being considered the "son" of George Washington, "The Father of His Country" (he even named his own son after him), with Augustus Caesar being considered the "son" of Julius Caesar, "The Father of His Country". Lafayette also apparently wrote the truth in plain site, as follows: "It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country (the United States) are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit Priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty. They have instigated most of the wars of Europe". He supposedly wrote this in 1799, the year that his "father" George Washington had his "apotheosis", later immortalized by his fresco in the "Roman" US Capitol.
Also, note that this present Habsburg family ancestor, the last Holy Roman Emperor Francis II, deliberately dissolved the Holy Roman Empire and gave himself a makeover as Francis I, Emperor of Austria, becoming the first "Doppelkaiser" (double emperor) in history. Would this make all of the Habsburgs since him "Romans" in disguise?
 
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The following image is a colored replica of a famous tauroctony from one of 4 mithraems in the Nida/Heddernheim district of Frankfurt Germany:


For more discussion of this specific tauroctony see: http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/mithras/display.php?page=cimrm1083

Of note we can see depicted in 12 panels across the arch above the grotto the 12 signs of the zodiac. This makes understanding that the tauroctony motif is focused on the transition of the zodiacal ages via the passage of time. In this case, the Great Year of the Zodiac is bracketed (by the sequence of the panels) by the transition from Aries to Pisces, time passing from right to left across the panels. This, even though it is always the bull being killed by Mithra (Perseus) within the many tauroctonies of the cult.

In this particular tauroctony, Hydra the snake is uniquely looking into a 'krater', yet another constellation, and in this case the scene evokes the legend of the Cup of the Holy Grail, associated with the Christian Crucifixion. And, as mentioned in the first post, Helios, or Sol, is seen to the left of Luna, here both riding in their celestial chariots, and we'll see this generic Sun and Moon motif in scenes of the Crucifixion as well. And finally, note the raven, Corvus, perched upon Perseus's cape, gazing on attentively, similar to the two 'birds' perched upon the cross of the Sarcophagus of Domatilla.

One can see the relationship of Perseus to Taurus below, as well as some of the other usual players in tauroctony tableaus.
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With Mithra stabbing of the bull, we can then recognize the parallel with Christianity, in that Christ is represented by the Lamb, or Aries, who is stabbed in the side by Longinus. These depicted killings are meant to ritually remind the adherent of the demarcation of these transitions of the ages. As such, I wonder whether this time keeping function of Longinus is what inspired the name of Longines, the Swiss watch company?
What happened in the year zero to mark the age of Pisces why did they think Jesus was born did the sun pass through Virgo and come out the ninth month
 

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Yes, pardon me, I meant Leo.

As far as non-arguments go, I find the whole Postflavian sophistry to qualify as such.
Invoking ancient pagan Roman and Greek writers, and modern godless Western liberals as adjudicators and interpreters of what is Hebrew literature and culture, indeed God's Word to man, is inappropriate.

As Jerry sagely wrote,

"As long as there are unsolved pieces of the puzzle, there's room for doubt that we have fully or correctly understood the intent of the original author."

Although God said way back on Page 1 of the manufacturer's handbook,
Genesis 1:14,15
"Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth,"
nowhere was there prescribed a systematic astrology related to predetermination of events.
A few stars were named, but apart from attributing their creation to a greater being, they were accorded no prophetic significance.
The Hebrew nation was well versed in painstaking regulation of their calendar year by the solar and lunar cycles, but were never astronomers in the sense that the Babylonians were. If eclipses were recorded in scripture, perhaps in the story of the shadow declining on the dial of Ahaz, Isaiah 38:7,8, then it was incidental and not indicative of regular observation.
The star that guided the wise men was never identified, although many have attempted to do so ever since, with no consensus or authority.
Josephus mentions only one eclipse in all his writings covering thousands of years of history, as a ballpark marker of an event that occurred some months prior to Herod's death in 5 BC (and therefore incidentally also fairly close to the Messiah's birth), but this eclipse is not accorded any particular importance of itself. Babylonian astronomers would have described it precisely, how many fingers it was, in which constellation it appeared, what part of the night it occurred, knowing that this would enable its date to be accurately calclated at a later time. But the Jews were not so concerned with astronomy and certainly not with astrology.

I wonder at the claimed significance of September 23, 2017. There was a lot of internet hype leading up to this date, but I knew then that this would come to nothing, and I was not disappointed.

Or did I miss something? Did some auspicious event occur on that date about which the all-knowing YouTube failed to inform me? Did this invisible alignment of various heavenly bodies on their eternally interweaving paths through the ecliptic, actually influence or signify anything on that particular day?
Oh you definitely missed something something very big
 

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What happened in the year zero to mark the age of Pisces why did they think Jesus was born did the sun pass through Virgo and come out the ninth month
Yes This is what I truly believe are anointed one Christ is the sun and the sun gives light the sun gives life sun of God. Walks on water at dawn and dusk. And so many more miracles
 

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What happened in the year zero to mark the age of Pisces why did they think Jesus was born did the sun pass through Virgo and come out the ninth month
Hi Jfy, welcome to the forum.

Beyond the story of the Magi chasing the Star of David I don't think I've ever heard any discussion of people considering this. Although, if I had the time it would indeed be interesting to scan through the computer star programs to see if anything interesting like that pops out. Now, of course, there is the question of the dynamic and uniquely complex 9/23/2017 alignment for Revelation 12, where Jupiter spent 9 months in Virgo's belly before being 'born' on that day. By default (the equinox), the Sun was at Virgo's shoulder while the Moon was precisely at her feet.

I've never seen any definitive definition of boundary dates for the respective ages, and it's interesting to note that the year zero, for the Anno Domini calendar wasn't established for about 500 years later. With many people thinking that the date of birth was not in the year zero. Of course, the AD year of zero has Jesus being crucified when he was 33 by the standard narrative chronology.

Probably to disguise what was really going on the orthodox calendar of dates was jumbled up from the prior zodiacal based systems. For instance, Christian 'traditian' has Christ being born on Dec. 25, but this is the time where the Sun is supposed to be resurrected each year, after it having stopped in its north-south motion for 3 days at the Winter Solstice.

As Seeker has recently posted, Octavian Augustus Caesar was born on September 23, the Autumn Equinox. He was accorded being the Prince of Peace by Virgil's 4th Eclogue.
 

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I don't know if this helps, but if some people "in the know" actually did believe that Jesus was conceived in December, instead of being born that month (some clever "jumbling up"?), and was actually born in the autumn at the Feast of Tabernacles, then in what became 1 AD (there was no year 0) the Feast of Tabernacles (Tishri 15) was celebrated on the Jewish Calendar as beginning on Thursday, September 22 (it lasts a week), just about the time of the Autumnal Equinox also, and when the sun was passing through Virgo in the tropical Zodiac. It has been suggested that there are links between the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) and the Ugaritic New Year festival, in particular the Ugaritic custom of erecting two rows of huts built of branches on the temple roof as temporary dwelling houses for their gods. Also, the original Thanksgiving holiday had many similarities with the Feast of Tabernacles in the Bible. An interesting fact is that the Roman Emperor Titus was actually born on the date of December 30, so was the designated birth date of "Jesus" on December 25 actually meant to honor Titus, and, in a play on words, if Jesus was really "conceived" in December, did it lead to the actual "birth" of Titus that month as the "real Savior"?
 
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In his Jesus Christ, Sun of God, Fideler says on page 162:

... The Christian Savior was born of a Virgin, and when the newly born spring sun slipped into and rose in the constellation of Pisces two thousand years ago, Virgo, the virgin, was standing on the Western horizon, for it is exactly opposite Pisces in the zodiac.

Of course, this does not speak to any precise dates, requiring further research to flesh out possibilities. Fideler mentions this in a discussion of why we might think that the procession of the equinoxes was well understood long prior to Hipparchus. The prior chapter has some interesting comments on the relationship between Mithraism and Christianity which I'll hopefully add to the mix shortly.

Yes This is what I truly believe are anointed one Christ is the sun and the sun gives light the sun gives life sun of God. Walks on water at dawn and dusk. And so many more miracles
I had not considered the phenomenon of the Sun "walking on water" this way before.

It is clear that the Bible is an esoteric masterpiece of syncretism, and at the same time a veiled historical account of real people, just not the person(s) the hoi polloi are led to think of. Fortunately it seems the MythVision boys have recently moved to the Mytho-historicist camp as have we.
 

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As Seeker has recently posted, Octavian Augustus Caesar was born on September 23, the Autumn Equinox. He was accorded being the Prince of Peace by Virgil's 4th Eclogue.
Happy 2081st birthday to the Prince of Peace, Augustus Caesar, on the Autumnal Equinox! At least we know the exact date of his birth, which would be exactly 2079 years from Sept. 23, 63 BC to the event of Sept. 23, 2017. Just for fun, playing with that distance number, we could take the 2000 as the start of the third millennium, and the 79 as the year that Titus succeeded his father Vespasian as Roman Emperor. As Tupper Saussy said, we live in the New World Order just as they did under Augustus Caesar, but it is not anything to be feared, as long as one submits to the governing authorities and pays the taxes due to them. Hail Caesar, we hear and obey!575
 

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As Tupper Saussy said, we live in the New World Order just as they did under Augustus Caesar, but it is not anything to be feared, as long as one submits to the governing authorities and pays the taxes due to them. Hail Caesar, we hear and obey!
But do we endorse?

"What forbids us from telling the truth laughingly?" I frequently have a hard time laughing while doing so. But, there is fake laughter, after all. I wonder what was the nature of Horace's laughter?
 

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We reconcile ourselves, again according to Tupper. Horace was able to laugh at himself, which perhaps was part of his charm for his patron Maecenas and his friend Augustus.
 

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And, if memory serves me, Ellis discusses the mother and son as descendants of Julius Caesar (and Cleo), not Mark Antony, as with Bartram. We need to look into this again.
This is true, through his mother, Ellis has Izates as the great-grandson of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra, but if his father was really "Pantera" Ptolemy of Mauretania, then he also descends from Mark Antony and Cleopatra through his paternal grandmother, Cleopatra Selene, who was given by Octavian to his sister Octavia Minor, who had been married to Mark Antony, to raise and to "Romanize" after the suicides of her parents. Later on her son Ptolemy became a part of the remarkable court of his aunt Antonia Minor, the daughter of Octavia. He would become the father of Jesus the Chrest/Christ, and because of such an exalted pedigree Jesus/Izates could represent the synchronization of these two Chrest/Christ concepts in human form, and may have been the premier controlled opposition agent of the Romans in Palestine. Perhaps to disguise this paternal ancestry the Romans gave him a "new" father and a new location in Edessa. Also, with Jesus being North African, and also Simon of Cyrene coming from North Africa, is it possible that he was a "doppelganger" for Jesus, not just at the cross, but before and after the crucifixion, if Jesus/Izates used more than one identity and had to be in more than one place?
According to Mark 15:21 Simon had two sons, Alexander and Rufus (red), perhaps later Christians of some standing in Rome. Alexander brings to mind the Alexander family of Alexandria, and an ossuary, found in a burial cave in the Kidron Valley belonging to Cyrenian Jews and dated before AD 70, is inscribed twice in Greek as "Alexander son of Simon". A Rufus is mentioned in Romans 16:13 as known by Paul (Josephus?), "salute Rufus chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine"(!!!). "All in the Family", I guess!
In this version of his life story, Jesus/Izates did achieve victory, but it was a Pyrrhic victory, for he became "Emperor" of "Rome", and even of the "Universe", but not until he had personally left this earth, unless Charles N. Pope is correct, and he eventually became the "Great King of the World" in the East, while not becoming Roman Emperor, but skipping that "grade" after undergoing an "apprenticeship" in England, to synthesize with the Ellis account, if that is possible.
 
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On page 149 of Fideler's JC, Sun of God, he displays a graphic of a tauroctony (below) found in a London mithraeum. He states that the Dioscuri twins, Cautes and Cautopates are representing the spring and fall equinoxes as during the age of Taurus. This brings up a possibly exciting avenue of research in examining all the tauroctonies for dating references. For instance, the respective torches are pointing at the boundaries of Virgo and Leo on the one hand and Pisces and Aquarius on the other.

From : http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/mithras/display.php?page=cimrm810
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An issue with such references are whether the intent was pointing to the annual aspect of the zodiac or instead the precessional Great Year aspect. If the latter, then the torches are pointing to the present transitional time of the our ages. Could it be possible that the designer of this tauroctony cleverly encoded both what Fideler points to and what I have?

It seems that the main aspect that all tauroctonies incorporate is the slaying of the bull by Perseus (aka Mithra, aka the Sun), and that most all other elements are optional. The zodiacs are common but not always present, and these can be displayed variously, not just in the typical circle.

Fideler mentions, which I have seen before, that Pisces is the last age of the zodiacal Great Year, meaning this transition is The Big One. And as such, one might think that a religious cult focused on the zodiac might take special note of this (if true).
 

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The dating of this tauroctony is late 2nd Century/early 3rd century CE, during the lifetime of Constantine the Great, and the inscription has been translated as meaning that "Ulpius Silvanus, emeritus of the Second Legion Augusta, paid his vow; enlisted at Orange". It has also been suggested that "factus", the word interpreted as "enlisted", could mean "initiated" into some Mithraic grade. I have not read it, but Ralph Ellis wrote a book entitled "Mary Magdalene: Princess of Orange" (The King Jesus Trilogy Book 5). The Second Legion Augusta was either founded by Julius Caesar himself, or later in 43 BC and recruited in SABINA. Its emblems were the Capricornus (goat and fish hybrid, winter solstice used to occur in this constellation), Pegasus, and Mars.https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Caerleon_plaque2.JPG
 
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Jason Reza Jorjani became famous (or infamous) as an alt-right figure. But since 2017 he's reportedly renounced all that, and this year he's endorsing Tulsi Gabbard's presidential candidacy. More about his alt-right days here:
The following is JRJ's rebuttal to the claims against him. He claims that his association with such as Richard Spencer was before the alt-right became associated with white nationalism, which according to JRJ was taken up expediently(?) by Spencer et al. after they lost their initial source of funding. In the video, JRJ disavows nationalism period, as he claims that based upon his views of such as Zoroastrianism that he is a 'good' globalist (as opposed to a 'bad' globalist) and thus a natural cosmopolitan. He says that his 'alt-right interest was based upon such as the immigration problems caused by the likes of the Arab Spring (via the 'bad' globalists like Clinton).

He says that he had voted for Obama, but became unhappy with his policies.

It seems that they thought they had natural partners with such as Trump and Bannon, but JRJ, at least, was a bit naive here, as Trump and Bannon are crypto-globalists, creatures of the real Deep State. The whole tableau of this racial redirection of Spencer, the hit video, (Spencer's apparently setting JRJ up at the conference) and the failure to understand Trump and Bannon's real agendas are very interesting.

He claims that he was set-up by the creation of the 6 minute video released by the NYT, with clips pieced together out of context from a 3 hour interview.
How does he know that?? He also claims that the Catholic ritual of painting a cross on one's forehead with ashes, is also Mithraic.

I thought that the rituals of Mithraic temples had been secret, and are now unknown.
I don't know about the ash Wednesday business, but the early Christian fathers were very upset about the Mithraic parallels with Xianity, including the eucharist and communal meals.

The following is an interesting discussion of JRJ's take on Zarathrusta and Zorastrianism.
 

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I don't know about the ash Wednesday business, but the early Christian fathers were very upset about the Mithraic parallels with Xianity, including the eucharist and communal meals.
http://www.cogwriter.com/news/church-history/many-will-observe-ash-wednesday-but-is-it-scriptural/
Speaking of coincidences, some have wondered if Ash Wednesday had any relationship to the ancient Sun-god Mithras.
Here is what Tertullian of Carthage (in eastern Egypt) noted near the beginning of the third century:
Mithra there, (in the kingdom of Satan,) sets his marks on the foreheads of his soldiers (Tertullian. The Prescription against Heretics, Chapter 40. Translated by Peter Holmes, D.D., F.R.A.S.)
Payam Nabarz wrote in the 21st century:
Tertullian certainly writes that Mithras marks (signat) his soldiers on the forehead, but what ‘sign’? Some writers have even speculated that this mark was the mark of the “Beast of Revelations,” as the numerological value of the Sun is 666!…
Mithratic…initiates…would henceforth have the Sun Cross on their foreheads. The similarity to the cross of ashes made on the forehead on the Christian Ash Wednesday is striking. Some have suggested this to be an example of the early Christians borrowing from the Mithratic cult; others suggest that both cults were drawing upon the same prototype (Nabarz P. The mysteries of Mithras: the pagan belief that shaped the Christian world. Inner Traditions / Bear & Company, 2005, p. 36).
The 20th century writer Manly Hall wrote:
Candidates who successfully passed the Mithraic initiations were called Lions and were marked upon their foreheads with the Egyptian cross. (Manly P. Hall Manly P. Hall (Author), J. Augustus Knapp (Illustrator) The Secret Teachings of all Ages. Originally published 1926, reprint Wilder Publications, 2009, p. 45)
It appears that the idea of a cross on the forehead probably came from Egypt initially. Mithraism probably picked it up (there is some question about the exact mark on the forehead, but a type of cross seems to be the most likely). And sometime after the Church of Rome absorbed some aspects of Mithraism, Ash Wednesday appeared–but not officially for some time. Mithraism itself was a major force in the Roman world until at least the fourth century A.D., but it seemed to die out by the end of that century. On the other hand, the Egyptian cults seemed to exist until a later time. Many Mithratic practices have been adopted by many who profess Christ. For details, please see the article Do You Practice Mithraism?
 

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The number 666 derives from the Magic Square of the (physical) Sun. This number when used as a length ratio in a series of alternating and expanding hexagons and circles leads to 888, the gematria number for 'Iesous' (which also has its own magic square of that value).

This, then, has a correspondence with the notion that the Aton was the spiritual Sun behind the physical Sun.

It makes sense to me that Roman Mithraism would be a syncretistic merger of the original Persian Mithraism with various other esoteric principles, such as from Egypt. And, that Mithraism did indeed form an esoteric inner church to exoteric Xianity (latter seen in Freemasonry), symbolized by the inner Sun (666) to the outer Sun (888).
 

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I just watched the following short clip recommended to me by YouTube. It asserts the real origins for the name of Hellenism, that related to the association of the Moon with the star Aldebaran. Very interesting. In any case you'll want to hit pause frequently in certain sections to digest the clips.

This is also very interesting in terms of my 9/11/2001 cosmic chronology, as the Moon occulted Aldebaran immediately prior to my sequence described in 9/11: A Malapropic Myth-raic Mass, and where the Moon thus clocked out the events on the ground, "As above, so below". As such, it would be interesting indeed to go back and review the 9/11 timeline to see if anything significant happened prior to the planes departing Logan International Airport.

In any case, such symbology, as shown, was very common and one can find images of the Roman legions carrying such symbology before them.

 

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Here below is part 1 and 2 of a 4 part series of the Dark Ages by Waldemar Januszczak. It is interesting to watch in light of what is discussed on this thread regarding symbology and architecture. Januszczak also made the interesting documentary called The Michelangelo Code discussing the apocalyptic nature of the Francicans and the Sistine Chapel. See https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/dueling-michelangelo-codes.2009/

He brings up the SATOR/ROTAS Square and relates it to early 'Christianity', while I would assert that it is more properly consistent with esoteric 'Chrestianity'. Same for the images of anchors and fish. As well, early images of Jesus show him as effeminate, for me evoking Akhenaton.

Part 1:

Part 2 discusses the variant Christian nature of the Arrian Goths, Vandals, and the nature of the Huns.


Part 3 is on Islam in this same period, and I'm not sure what Part 4 is about yet.
 

Richard Stanley

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I decided to post this video here, rather than on an Islamic Origins thread, because Jorjani further elaborates on his differing (from Barbiero and such) theory about the relationship of Mithraism to Christianity. I think this may be possible to reconcile as I have tried doing with the various Christian origin theories. As, well this talks about the role of the Parthians in wanting undermine the Sassanians.

Parthians, Magi, Christianity?

 
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