Evidence for to many people? whats your best evid.?

lorenhough

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We are also told through various media sources, that we are using up the resources as their excuse, to DO WHAT THOU WILST. William Petty-the Earl of Shelburne, H.G. Wells, Lord Bertrand Russell and Aldous Huxley, etc. I am sorry to say, consider most of the population just sand that needs to be swept or "useless eaters" which the walrus and the carpenter are. Rev.20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to bring them together for the battle. They are as numerous as the grains of sand in the sea. 20:9 They went up on the broad plain of the earth and encircled the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and devoured them completely.
I am afraid The duped masses, and most of the paid to be stupid who think there in, who believe there are too many people, will find out their useless to, and that they don't need us anymore! I am sorry to say.
How many people? Do we really know? Do we need to know?
1st We need to know Who is counting? To know if we can trust them?
Mao said, it doesn't matter who votes; Just Who counts the votes, and We Don't count.
How many is to many? The big boys say the chosen 500,000,000 will fit the bill.
how sure are you ?? are you this sure?? look the plan is for 50 million in each big country
down the road. for those who think they know. and had 1 kid or none, this is how you will be rewarded. sorry to say; OVER 60 SORRY. NO ROOM FOR YOU SO THEY SAY THERE IN A HURRY!

I would not like to see this happen! LH postF!

May the rights of man become universal; enjoying his private property, owns himself, so the happiness in the New World to come postF regenerating the old, no masters no slaves is my prayer. LH
http://tarpley.net/online-books/against-oligarchy/giammaria-ortes-the-decadent-venetian-kook-who-originated-the-myth-of-carrying-capacity/


America Has a Definitive Date With Depopulation By
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2015/03/04/america-has-a-definitive-date-with-depopulation/ edited by loren hough

Does America have a date with destiny? Is that date known? As Joe A has taught us to read the tea leaves this see what there saying.

The Internet is filled with how the global elite want to depopulate humanity by 90%.
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The Georgia Guidestones declares that humanity will be reduced by 90%.

see middle of page on stones on this form; http://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/shakesperes-tepoligy-oligarchy.12/page-2#post-263

Have you heard of the megacities concept in revealing something called the America 2050 plan?, OWNLY the rich will live in the country or on most of the coast lines.

America has taken center stage and it is indeed called “America 2050“. The plan for America 2050 is to herd Americans into 11 megacities consisting of six million people each totaling 66 million people. Under this plan, there are no provisions for any other population developments.

316,000,000 million Americans will change to 66,000,000 megacity dwellers which equals 250,000,000 missing Americans!

It appears that the timetable for the implementation of the megacities concept and the 300 square foot stack and pack apartments is a lot closer that the year 2050.


The CIA Front Group, Deagel, Brings Clarity to the Megacities Concept

Being a front group for the CIA, Deagel, is predicting that we are about a decade away from this hellish nightmare.

Just who is Deagel? The power and influence of the corporation that you never heard of, is staggering. This is the modern day Zapata Oil, which was a CIA front corporation run by George H. W. Bush which in turn facilitated much of the Air America “drugs for guns” program in Latin America in the 1980’s.




Deagel is “locked in” when it comes to the power centers on this planet.

A Partial List of Deagel Partners
National Security Agency – http://www.nsa.gov/
North Atlantic Treaty Organization http://www.nato.int/
Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development http://www.oecd.org/

OSCE – http://www.osce.org/
Russian Defense Procurement Agency – http://www.fsoz.gov.ru
Stratfor – http://www.stratfor.com/

The World Bank – http://www.worldbank.org/

United Nations http://www.un.org/

In the beginning of 2014, Deagel published a projected demographic shift of every nation on the planet. The projections are noteworthy. As one of the most prolific arms dealers and sellers of intelligence information on the planet, Deagel would be in a unique position from which to make projections with regard to coming world events as well as being able to anticipate dramatic shifts in global power. Not surprisingly, Deagel has made such a projection and the news is not good for the United States. Below is a list of projected changes for the United States during the time frame covering 2014-2025.

United States of America Projected Changes from 2014-2025

Year: 2013
Population: 316 million
Gross Domestic Product: $17 trillion
GDP per capita: $52,838
Budget: $5.8 trillion
Military Budget: $726 billion

Forecast 2025
Population: 69 million
Gross Domestic Product: $921 billion
GDP per capita: $13,328
Military Budget: $8.0 billion

The projected and dramatic downward shift in America’s population are nearly identical when one compares the America 2050 documents and the Deagel projections.

There is another striking projection which should alarm every American. In 2013, the U.S. military budget was $726 billion dollars. However, the projected 2025 projected budget is only $8 billion dollars. This clearly points to the fact that the CIA, through Deagel, is projecting that the United States is going to be militarily conquered within the next 10 years. The mere $8 billion dollar projected 2025 military budget speaks to a domestic martial law type of occupation force. With this kind of budget, the U.S. would not even be able to engage in regional conflicts.

The Deagel documents clearly speak to who the winners and losers of the coming global conflict will be. In the Deagel document, Russia, China, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran and India maintain their respective populations or increase their populations by the year[or so there told]; The United States and Britain undergo severe population reductions.


The Method of America’s Demise

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The 17 elements of martial law are:1-Mass roundup of political dissidents
2-Dusk to dawn curfews
3-Rationing of essential resources
4-The seizing of personal assets such as food and water
5-Control over all food and water
6-The prohibition of weapons of any kind including guns, knives or chemicals which can be turned into explosives
7-The confiscation of property, homes and businesses
8-Arrests without due process
9-Massive “papers please” checkpoints with intrusive searches
10-Forced relocations
11-Forced conscription into various labor camps and even into the military
12-Outlawing of free speech
13-The installation of massive surveillance programs and the establishment of snitch programs
14-The total control or elimination of religion
15-Control of the media
16-Executions without due process of law

17-Total suspension of the Constitution

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Dramatic Martial Law

The President has taken a dramatic step forward with regard to the elimination of free speech in American and assuming control of all new agencies through the Net Neutrality Act which was implemented last Friday.

President Obama has announced plans to nationalize law enforcement as did Hitler, Mao and Lenin

Major think tank organizations as well as CIA front organization publishing data and projections which for all the Agenda 21 claims that have been made for 20 years.


The data sets strongly suggests that we are much closer to these realities than many of us would have anticipated. In an almost tongue-in-cheek, the Mayan Calendar may have been more accurate if it had ended in 2025-50 instead of 2012.

 
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in 2010 rockafellow and his group said to the world there is not enough people dying; then 3-11-11 japan blows up. and its coming this way. see here; http://enenews.com/page/2?s=bleeding ..AS we die from cancer, they call us cancer on the earth; as they say be not cancer, as they give it to us in a hundred different ways.

Never heard of so much sickness & death in such a short period” says Fukushima evacuee — Writes about strange diseases in young people, deadly tumors and hemorrhages, pets missing hair, child losing all their fingernails, polydactyl baby — Doctor: My friends are dying of cancer, one after another.

Japan Doctor: “Tokyo should no longer be inhabited” — Everyone here is a victim of Fukushima — People truly suffering — Bleeding under skin, urinary hemorrhaging — Children’s blood tests started changing last year — Time running short… up to physicians to save our citizens and future generations.

Fukushima Evacuee: We’re human guinea-pigs in an experiment… we’ll never forgive gov’t or Tepco! — US Attorney: It’s up to the American people to make them pay; Japan is threatening to put people who speak out in concentration camps'


November 3rd, 2013
CBC Headline: Radiation from Fukushima arrives on Alaska coast — University scientists concerned — “Is the food supply safe?… I don’t think anyone can really answer that”

October 19th, 2013
Sailor: “After we left Japan, it felt as if the ocean itself was dead” — Nothing alive for over 3,000 miles — No longer saw turtles, dolphins, sharks, birds — Saw one whale, it appeared helpless with big tumor on head.

upload_2015-3-4_14-14-33.jpegmap of nuclear plants in the world.

Thousands in Japan reported to be suffering massive and recurring nosebleeds in recent days — Gundersen: Japan doctors tell us, “We know our patients have radiation illness” but forced to keep it secret.

Published: October 1st, 2013 at 11:29 am ET
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Protector of the dead and embalming also god of funerals and death. . The Egyptian god Anubis (a modern rendition inspired by New Kingdom ) He attended the weighing scale during the "Weighing of the Heart,"
who will live and who will and who will be born, (brave world)Evidence for to many people? or evidence that some people say there is and there doing something about it.

who would call you a bomb? that goes boom and why? and why did everything he said [scary stories]not come truth?; I have met Paul he is a good friend of a friend of mine. his wife is part of the club of Rome.

Amazon.com: The Population Bomb (9781568495873 ...
The Population Bomb Hardcover – December 1, 1995. by Paul R. Ehrlich .... In 1968, Paul Ehrlich.

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Jump to The Population Bomb (1968) - The original edition of The Population Bomb began with ... In the book Ehrlich presented a number of "scenarios

Change but Symbols Don't - Geoengineering - You're All to Blame for Climate Change - As we find out theyTampered with Temperatures Records in South America,

Climategate - Soviet Union, Closed Thousands of Weather Recording Stations after End of Cold War - Scientists Live on Grants, Human Nature, Greed -

Managed Society the Goal of Those Who Own It - CIA, Geoengineering Shouldn't Be Used for Hostile Purposes -

Contrails - Brainwashed Since Birth to Believe What You're Told -

Can Russia control the weather? Climate researcher ... - Daily Mail
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Can-Russia-control-weather-Climate-researcher-say...

Cover story: and pass the buck and muddy the story,

Feb 15, 2015 - If it seems like it never stops raining, blame the Russians. The professor said: 'If one country wants to control the climate in one way, and ...
 
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Who Own It - CIA, Geoengineering Shouldn't Be Used for Hostile Purposes -

Contrails - Brainwashed Since Birth to Believe What You're Told -

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Monitored. Why ? By Allen watt edited by Loren Hough

to Make Sure You're Safe - Religious Terminology, a Father God and You are the Children - Treated as Children in a Scientific Tyranny - when do we grow up?

Civilization is Utterly Brutal - Folk Get Angry When You Try to Wake Them Up, They Want Security - Your Gadgets and Toys are the Technology;

Used to Profile You - Compliance is Vital to Total Power - Controlled Opposition - police. Know. We're you are; why?

Agendas are Boring - Understanding is Scary - Predictive Programming - Religion Works with Rulers - Politicians and Insider Trading - All Wars are Economic Wars -

Privateers - Diggers - Live High by Living Off Others' Labour - Communism, Same Elite at Top - Double Agents - Peasant Only Knew Small Area - Dumbed Down to Accept Reality -

Quigley's Books, Goals and Plans for World Order Run by Proper People - Woodrow Wilson, Bush Jr., The New Freedom - Eugenics Funded by NGOs, Cold Springs Harbor

Tragedy and Hope - Fomented Boer War for Private Interests - Marxism, Must Make the Changes Happen - Anti-Terror Laws Before 9/11 - All Wars Change Societies -

Years of Preparation for Wars - Vietnam, Hippie Culture, Drugs - Afghanistan Shattered - Money Heaven - Money Always Devalued,

Backed with Nothing - World in Chaos Hype - Economies Based On Optimism - Canada's Economy Faces Downward Spiral - Pass the Buck to the Bottom - Barter,

Introduction of Middle Man - Experts on Economy - Government the Biggest Borrower - Quigley, RIIA, CFR, The Parallel Government - Wilson's Book, The New Freedom -

Quigley, Economic Rewards for Politician, Two Parties Should be Almost Identical - New Feudal System, CEOs the Overlords, Meet in Basel, Switzerland -

IMF and the World Bank, Private Institutions - Those Who Run the Wars Benefit, Big Business - Soldiers are Renewable Resource -

Entertainment is Indoctrination - You Only Own Your Own Mind - Don't Get Depressed, Influence People One at a Time - Person Being Conned Participates in the Con -

James Hansen, NASA's High Priest of Global Warming, Makes Up ...
democracy-project.com/.../james-hansen-nasas-high-priest-of-global-warmi...

Nov 16, 2008 - James Hansen, NASA's High Priest of Global Warming, Makes Up Data .... Now, in 2009, this dishonest and discredited...

Think for Yourself!

****May the rights of man become universal; enjoying his private property, owns himself, freedom happiness in the New World to come 'postF' thinking regenerating the old, no masters no slaves is my prayer.**** LH

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The Island (2005 film)

Theatrical release poster
Directed by Michael Bay
Produced by Michael Bay
Ian Bryce
Walter F. Parkes
Story by Caspian Tredwell-Owen
Distributed by DreamWorks Pictures
(North America)Warner Bros. Pictures
(International)
Release dates

  • July 22, 2005 (2005-07-22)
The Island is a 2005 American science fiction action thriller film directed by Michael Bay, starring Ewan McGregor and Scarlett Johansson. It was released on July 22, 2005, in the United States, and was nominated for three awards, including the Teen Choice Award.

It is described as a pastiche of "escape-from-dystopia" science fiction films of the 1960s and 1970s such as Fahrenheit 451, THX 1138, Parts: The Clonus Horror, and Logan's Run. The film's plot revolves around the struggle of Ewan McGregor's character to fit into the highly structured world he lives in, isolated in a compound, and the series of events that unfold when he questions how truthful that world really is. After he learns that the compound inhabitants are clones who are used for organ harvesting and surrogate motherhood for wealthy people in the outside world, he escapes.

The film cost $126 million to produce. It earned only $36 million at the United States box office, but earned $127 million overseas, for a $162 million worldwide total. The original score for the film was composed by Steve Jablonsky, who would go on to score Bay's further works. It was also the first film directed by Bay that was not produced by Jerry Bruckheimer.
 
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Brazil (1985 film)

Theatrical release poster
Directed by Terry Gilliam
Produced by Arnon Milchan
Production
company

Embassy International Pictures N.V.
Distributed by 20th Century Fox
Release dates
  • 20 February 1985 (1985-02-20) (France)
  • 22 February 1985 (1985-02-22) (United Kingdom)
Country United Kingdom
Language English
Brazil is a 1985 British film directed by Terry Gilliam and written by Gilliam, Charles McKeown, and Tom Stoppard. British National Cinema by Sarah Street describes the film as a "fantasy/satire on bureaucratic society" while John Scalzi's Rough Guide to Sci-Fi Movies describes it as a "dystopian satire". The film stars Jonathan Pryce and features Robert De Niro, Kim Greist, Michael Palin, Katherine Helmond, Bob Hoskins, and Ian Holm.

The film centres on Sam Lowry, a man trying to find a woman who appears in his dreams while he is working in a mind-numbing job and living a life in a small apartment, set in a consumer-driven dystopian world in which there is an over-reliance on poorly maintained (and rather whimsical) machines. Brazil 's bureaucratic, totalitarian government is reminiscent of the government depicted in George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four,[4][5] except that it has a buffoonish, slapstick quality and lacks a Big Brother figure.

Jack Mathews, film critic and author of The Battle of Brazil (1987), described the film as "satirizing the bureaucratic, largely dysfunctional industrial world that had been driving Gilliam crazy all his life".[6] Though a success in Europe, the film was unsuccessful in its initial North America release. It has since become a cult film.

The film is named after the recurrent theme song, "Aquarela do Brasil", as performed
Sam Lowry (Jonathan Pryce) is a low-level government employee who has frequent daydreams of saving a damsel in distress. One day he is assigned the task of trying to rectify an error caused by a fly getting jammed in a printer, misprinting a file it was copying, resulting in the incarceration and accidental death during interrogation of cobbler Archibald Buttle, instead of the suspected terrorist, freelance heating engineer Archibald Tuttle.

When Sam visits Buttle's widow, he discovers Jill Layton (Kim Greist), the upstairs neighbour of the Buttles, and is astonished to see that she has the face of the woman from his recurring dreams. Jill is trying to help Mrs. Buttle find out what happened to her husband, but has become sick of dealing with the bureaucracy. Unbeknownst to her, she is now considered a terrorist accomplice of Tuttle for attempting to report the mistake of Buttle's arrest in Tuttle's place to a corrupt bureaucracy that would rather dispose of all the evidence and witnesses than admit such an error.

When Sam tries to approach her, she is very cautious and avoids giving Sam full details, worried the government will track her down. During this time, Sam comes in contact with the real Tuttle (Robert De Niro), a renegade air conditioning specialist who once worked for Central Services but left due to his dislike of the tedious and repetitive paperwork. Tuttle helps Sam deal with two Central Services workers, Spoor (Bob Hoskins) and Dowser (Derrick O'Connor), who later return to demolish Sam's ducts and seize his apartment under the guise of fixing the air conditioning.
Sam discovers that the only way to learn about Jill is to get transferred to Information Retrieval, where he would have access to her classified records. He had previously turned down a promotion engineered by his mother, Ida (Katherine Helmond), vainly obsessed with rejuvenating plastic surgery under the care of cosmetic surgeon Dr. Jaffe (Jim Broadbent). She has connections to high-ranking officers and despairs of Sam's lack of ambition. Sam is able to retract his refusal by speaking directly with Deputy Minister Mr. Helpmann (Peter Vaughan) at a party given by his mother. He eventually obtains Jill's records and tracks her down before she is arrested, then falsifies her records to make her appear deceased, allowing her to escape the bureaucracy. The two share a romantic night together, but they are quickly apprehended by the government at gunpoint.

Charged with treason for abusing his newly acquired position, Sam is restrained to a chair in a large, empty cylindrical room (the interior of a power station cooling tower), to be tortured by his old friend, Jack Lint (Michael Palin), who is wearing a mask seen earlier in Sam's dreams and had previously distanced himself from Sam. Sam also learns that Jill had been killed resisting arrest. However, before Jack manages to begin the torture, Tuttle and other members of the resistance break into the Ministry. The resistance shoots Jack, rescues Sam, and blows up the Ministry building as they flee.

Sam and Tuttle run off together, but Tuttle disappears amid a mass of scraps of paper from the destroyed Ministry. Sam runs to his mother attending a funeral for a friend who died of excessive cosmetic surgery. Finding his mother now looking like Jill and fawned over by a flock of juvenile admirers, Sam falls into the open casket, falling through an empty black void. He lands in a world from his daydreams, and attempts escape up a pile of flex-ducts from the police and imaginary monsters. He finds a door at the top of the pile and, passing through it, is surprised to find himself in a trailer driven by Jill. The two drive away from the city together.

However, this "happy ending" is all a product of Sam's delusions: Sam is still strapped to the chair and observed by Jack and Deputy Minister Mr. Helpmann, who is portrayed along the film as a good "friend" of Sam's family. Realising that Sam has descended into blissful insanity, the two declare him a lost cause and exit the room. The film ends with Sam sitting in the chair, smiling and singing "Brazil".<="
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Predictive programming


Predictive programming is a concept proposed by Alternative Media researchers Alex Jones, Michael Hoffman, and others. The theory proposes that public media (such as films, television, news casts, etc.) are deliberately seeded with subtle clues to future social, political, or technological changes. According to the theory, when the relevant change is later introduced into the world, the public has become used to the idea through exposure, and therefore passively accepts it rather than offering resistance or opposition. Predictive programming is therefore thought to be a means of propaganda or mass psychological conditioning that operates on a subliminal or implicit level.

To give an example, the film The Hunger Games: Catching Fire depicts a totalitarian government ruling over the shattered remnants of the United States.

Predictive programming theory would predict that if such a government were to arise, people would be less likely to resist it and more likely to accept it based on their exposure to the film in fiction. The fact that the government is portrayed as a villain to be resisted is said to be irrelevant; under predictive programming theory, mere exposure to a concept induces acquiescence to it. An idea introduced in a science fiction movie, takes on a surrealistic tinge and, when it is introduced in the real world, it is experienced as not quite real; to an extent disarming the public from experiencing it as undesirable or something to potentially fight against. Researcher Alan Watt explains the phenomenon this way:

Things or ideas which would otherwise be seen as bizarre, vulgar, undesirable or impossible are inserted into films in the realm of fantasy. When the viewer watches these films, his/her mind is left open to suggestion and the conditioning process begins.

In one example, the presence of the words "Sandy Hook" on a map featured for only a few frames in the 2012 Batman film The Dark Knight Rises.] Other researchers have pointed to the many depictions of the destruction of the World Trade Center in films as a form of predictive programming, preparing the public for the actual September 11 attacks.

References
  1. Jump up Jones, Alex (10 May 2010). "Predictive Programming? Gulf Oil Rig Explosion in "Knowing"". InfoWars.com. Retrieved 9 January 2013.
  2. Jump upHoffman, Michael A. (2001). Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare. Coeur d'Alene, Idaho: Independent History and Research. p. 205.
  3. Jump up ^Hague, Neil. "Catching the Fire Cult - Programming the Young and ‘Predicting the Future’". Through Ancient Eyes. Retrieved 18 June 2014.
  4. Jump up ^Watt, Alan (2009). "Predictive Programming: Theory and Practice". Biblioteca Pleyades. Retrieved 9 January 2013.
  5. Jump up ^"The Lone Gunmen Pilot – 9/11 Predictive Programming". WhatTheProblemIs.com. 12 December 2012. Retrieved 9 January 2013.
  6. Jump up ^Valentini, John (2011). Imagining 9/11: A Compilation of 9/11 Synchronicities in Popular Culture Pre-September 11, 2001. Retrieved 19 August 2013.
 
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Rollerball (1975 film)

Directed by Norman Jewison
Produced by Norman Jewison
Written by William Harrison
Distributed by United Artists
Release dates
  • 25 June 1975 (1975-06-25)
Rollerball is a 1975 dystopian sports action science fiction film, which Norman Jewison directed from a screenplay dramatized by William Harrison, who adapted his own short story, "Roller Ball Murder," which had first appeared in the September 1973 issue of Esquire. Although it had an American cast, a Canadian director, and was released by the American company United Artists it was produced in London and Munich.

In the film, the world of 2018 (referred to in the tagline as “the not too distant future”) is a global corporate state, containing entities such as the Energy Corporation, a global energy monopoly based in Houston which deals with nominally-peer corporations controlling access to all transport, luxury, housing, communication, and food on a global basis. According to the tagline, in this world, “wars will no longer exist. But there will be...Rollerball.”

The film's title is the name of a violent, globally popular sport around which the events of the film take place. It is similar to Roller Derby in that two teams clad in body armor skate on roller skates (some instead ride on motorcycles) around a banked, circular track. There, however, the similarity ends. The object of the game is to score points by the offensive team (the team in possession of the ball) throwing a softball-sized steel ball into the goal, which is a magnetic, cone-shaped area inset into the wall of the arena. The team without possession of the ball is defensive and acts to prevent scoring. It is a full-contact sport in which players have considerable leeway to attack opposing players in order to take or maintain possession of the ball and to score points. In addition, each team has three players who ride motorcycles to which teammates can latch on and be towed. The player in possession of the ball must hold it in plain view at all times.

Rollerball teams, named after the cities in which they are based, are owned by the various global corporations. Energy Corporation sponsors the Houston team. The game is a substitute for all current team sports and for warfare. While its ostensible purpose is entertainment, Mr. Bartholomew, a high-level executive of the Energy Corporation, describes it as a sport designed to show the futility of individual effort.

Plot
The film follows Jonathan E. (James Caan), the veteran star of the Houston rollerball team. By virtue of his stellar performance over the years, Jonathan has become the most recognizable Rollerballer in history; everyone recognizes him on sight. This is problematic for the hegemonic corporations. After another impressive performance in Houston's victory over the Madrid team, Energy Corporation chairman Mr. Bartholomew (John Houseman) announces that the corporation, running out of ways to reward its champion, will feature Jonathan in a "multivision" special devoted to his career.

For Jonathan, Rollerball soon degrades into senseless violence as the rules of upcoming games are made more dangerous in order to force Jonathan out one way or another. It is announced that the semi-final game versus the Tokyo team will be played with no penalties and limited player substitutions, yet Jonathan refuses to yield and intends to play in the game. Summoned to the filming of his televised special, he struggles with Daphne and the host. An instructor (Robert Ito) insists on teaching the Houston team how to counter the Tokyo team's unorthodox martial arts skills, but the team, brimming with confidence, drowns him out with chants of "Houston!" The brutality of the match claims the lives of several players, including Houston's lead biker, Blue, and leaves Jonathan's best friend and teammate Moonpie (John Beck) in a persistent vegetative state and brain-dead. Jonathan defies a doctor in the Tokyo hospital, and insists on keeping Moonpie on life support and transporting him elsewhere to receive medical care.

The corporations hold an emergency meeting to discuss Jonathan's obstinate refusal to retire, and decide that the championship game against the New York team will be played without penalties, player substitutions, or a time-limit, in the hope that Jonathan, if he decides to participate, will be killed during the course of the game. The executives's meeting reveals why they are demanding Jonathan's retirement: Rollerball was conceived not merely to satisfy man's bloodlust, but to demonstrate the futility of individualism. Jonathan's singular talent and longevity in the sport defeats the intended purpose of Rollerball. Before the match, Jonathan is visited by his ex-wife, Ella, who reveals that she has a son with her new husband and that the corporations had told her to visit him in an effort to convince him to retire.

After much personal introspection, and further delving into the true nature of the corporations that run the world, Jonathan decides he is going to play in the game despite the obvious dangers. Naturally, the final game quickly loses all semblance of order as players are incapacitated or killed in short order. The crowd, raucous and energetic at the game's beginning, gradually become more and more subdued as the carnage builds and degrades to a gladiatorial "last man standing" event.
In the end, Jonathan is the last player on the Houston team. Two players remain from New York. After a violent struggle, Jonathan dispatches one of the players, gets the ball and grabs the last, helpless New York player. He looks like he is about to kill the final player as the world watches in complete silence.

With a moment's pause, Jonathan releases his opponent, slowly gets to his feet, and painfully makes his way to the goal, scoring the only point of the game, leaving the final score Houston 1, New York 0.

Immediately following this Jonathan then starts to freely skate around the track in silent victory, and the coaches and fans of both teams start chanting, “Jon-a-than!” They do so first in a whisper, and then their voices gradually grow louder and louder as Jonathan continues to circle the track.

Seeing his worst fears unfolding, Mr. Bartholomew hurries to exit the arena in blind panic, with the realization that Jonathan has essentially defeated the purpose of the game itself. As the cheering reaches a climax, the movie cuts to a sudden still of Jonathan, against the same music that opened the film, the Toccata from Bach's iconic Toccata and Fugue in D minor="
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http://theunhivedmind.com/UHM/club-of-rome-depopulation-of-human-beings-from-earth/#more-496

CLUB OF ROME DEPOPULATION OF HUMAN BEINGS FROM EARTH
Posted on May 19, 2013 by theunhivedmind
A video of Dr John Coleman adapted by The Unhived Mind to show some graphics running with the commentary.
Ever wondered why so many people are sick and dying of illnesses? The biosphere is rampant with viruses and pollutions that are even depopulating the animals as well. Now heres your answer by Dr John Coleman…

Giammaria Ortes: The Decadent Venetian Kook Who Originated The Myth of “Carrying Capacity”
Printed in The American Almanac, June 20, 1994
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Loren, do you know that Webster Tarpley is pro-nuclear?

jerry
friend thank you to share this; I didn't no that mr T was pro-PU; the problem of fukushima is well hidden un less you know to look. does this mean its a bad well, well? maybe not sure when this was said. I do know for sure that if you have a big enough audience that you can be pressured paid or duped to say go from holding your hand to the pro-PU blow and not see it coming .

only know the little I have shared about his ideas on a few things that I find much evidence for. do no keep up with him at all, would love web to look at fukshima [that changed everything nuclear] though enenews eyes. how do we contact him? will he respond?

Loren
 

Jerry Russell

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Hi Loren,

I like Webster Tarpley: his books are excellent, and I listen to his podcast regularly. I don't know how to contact him, aside from the form on his website.

When it comes to his blasts against environmentalists and "Malthusians", it seems to me that Tarpley has a blind spot. I wouldn't presume to know what the "carrying capacity" of the earth is; I think it has to depend on the state of technology. With our current food, energy & materials technology, there's good reason to believe that we've reached an overshoot situation already. You have some complaints about the "Club of Rome" above, but their projections haven't yet been all that far off.

I wouldn't want to call for fatalism: with better leadership, I'm sure new possibilities would open up. That's why I think the focus of this website is so important: above all else, we need to put the focus on the oligarchs who are effectively calling all the shots. But, as a planetary civilization, I agree with the "neo-Malthusians" that we seem to be in quite a pickle, and it's very logical to expect that the world's exponential population growth has got to lead to some sort of collapse in the not-too-distant future.

But: assuming that "we the people" were somehow able to wrestle control away from the "oligarchs", we'd then be faced with a massive sociological & technological problem to turn the Titanic around before it hits the iceberg. We'd need clean nuclear fusion power or some other form of "free energy" (assuming such a thing is possible), decommission and decontamination of nuclear power plants and weapons worldwide, massively increased organic food production to replace industrial agriculture, high-speed rail transportation systems, universal 100% recycling of industrial materials, redesigned educational systems, the list goes on and on. Even with all that, how could you keep increasing the population exponentially forever? Unless you can colonize outer space, there must be a limit somewhere.
 

lorenhough

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Hi jerry

Jerry said . I wouldn't presume to know what the "carrying capacity" of the earth is; ( I can guess? LH ).

Limits are self evident. To each person place time conditions. No need for top down decisions.

Census reveals plummeting U.S. birthrates - USATODAY.com
Jun 24, 2011 · ... USA TODAY. Map by Julie Snider, USA TODAY. Change in the number of children under 18 ... a middle school and one of two high schools have …


I think it has to depend on the state of technology.( Do you mean technology is getting better faster and we can have more people? LH )

With our current food, energy & materials technology, there's good reason to believe that we've reached an overshootsituation already. (what do you do did with the Indians you take away their food source buffalo ).

Yeah they overshot the Buffalo, LH)

give the people GMO food no more children, what's the sperm count for males in USA today 80% bad 20% good. BP the golf agent o in the soil take out the North Pacific, lot less food, pay farmers not to grow food. Personally I don't think it's any of your business or mine to tell any one how many children they have. We've made it this far without knowing how many people there are, I would think we could make it that much further into the future, how we use technology does not depend on how many people there are, it depends on how wisely we use it.

As far as The big problem oligarchy club; I'm on board with you guys let's do what we can to make it a better world. Where we are all leaders.

LOREN
 
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Richard Stanley

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Hi Loren and Jerry,

There is a further complication to this argument that must be accounted for. This is the problem that Brian Fagan made in his book The Long Summer that discusses that as any society or civilization becomes more complex (technology or otherwise) that it becomes more and more fragile via its inherent exposure to various variables, many of which are beyond human (and oligarchical) control. The number one variable seems to be cyclical drought and longer term weather/climatic cycles driven by such as solar system and/or galactic factors. This is not to say that humans are out of the equation, but here humans have been noticeably increasing the CO2 levels for ~10,000 years via the beginning of rice production and agricultural forest clearance by proto-Europeans. Whatever the case here, human population levels then were not even close to today's, much less getting to Fuller's 22 billion threshold.

The title of the book alludes to that we are now at what seems like it should be the tail end of the Holocene warming period, and in fact should have already long ago fallen off from this warming trend based upon the glacial ice core records of such long term patterns. These driven by apparent solar cycles such as the Milankovitch Cycles, and possibly other cosmic things, but also including volcanism and impact events.

To support his claims Fagan discusses that most all deceased civilizations succumbed to such drought and climate change. And more recently than his book, it has been demonstrated that the Egyptian Old Kingdom rapidly fell apart because of exactly such an occurrence.

Europe appears to have been mainly populated by such drought driven waves of immigration coming out of the Mesopotamian Fertile Crescent, and these cyclical droughts were enshrined in the Biblical narrative of Joseph (Genesis 47) where he conspires with 'pharaoh' to manipulate the markets such as to purchase all of the food stuffs, livestock, land, and then finally to enslave all of the people. You don't learn that one in Sunday School. Wonder why?

As such, I frequently suspect that much of the subtext for the matters that we are examining are means of distracting the hoi polloi from what very well might be inevitable. Need an excuse to create huge underground survival complexes, create some pretexted wars which you can profit from at the same time.

BTW, the Joseph (and pharaoh) narrative is one big reason, among others, that I suspect the whole Jewish/Aryan dialectic identity squabble is a sham. It also goes to show that the OT was cobbled together as a history book, typically propagandic in nature, and therefore not meant for everyone to read. But for the fortunate sake of the elites, the sheep are always more than willing to read it all in the most palatable context for them to digest. You too can be a member of the Chosen Elect if you buy that swampland in Florida.
 

lorenhough

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Hi Loren and Jerry,

There is a further complication to this argument that must be accounted for. This is the problem that Brian Fagan made in his book The Long Summer that discusses that as any society or civilization becomes more complex (technology or otherwise) that it becomes more and more fragile via its inherent exposure to various variables, many of which are beyond human (and oligarchical) control. The number one variable seems to be cyclical drought and longer term weather/climatic cycles driven by such as solar system and/or galactic factors. This is not to say that humans are out of the equation, but here humans have been noticeably increasing the CO2 levels for ~10,000 years via the beginning of rice production and agricultural forest clearance by proto-Europeans. Whatever the case here, human population levels then were not even close to today's, much less getting to Fuller's 22 billion threshold.

The title of the book alludes to that we are now at what seems like it should be the tail end of the Holocene warming period, and in fact should have already long ago fallen off from this warming trend based upon the glacial ice core records of such long term patterns. These driven by apparent solar cycles such as the Milankovitch Cycles, and possibly other cosmic things, but also including volcanism and impact events.

To support his claims Fagan discusses that most all deceased civilizations succumbed to such drought and climate change. And more recently than his book, it has been demonstrated that the Egyptian Old Kingdom rapidly fell apart because of exactly such an occurrence.

Europe appears to have been mainly populated by such drought driven waves of immigration coming out of the Mesopotamian Fertile Crescent, and these cyclical droughts were enshrined in the Biblical narrative of Joseph (Genesis 47) where he conspires with 'pharaoh' to manipulate the markets such as to purchase all of the food stuffs, livestock, land, and then finally to enslave all of the people. You don't learn that one in Sunday School. Wonder why?

As such, I frequently suspect that much of the subtext for the matters that we are examining are means of distracting the hoi polloi from what very well might be inevitable. Need an excuse to create huge underground survival complexes, create some pretexted wars which you can profit from at the same time.

BTW, the Joseph (and pharaoh) narrative is one big reason, among others, that I suspect the whole Jewish/Aryan dialectic identity squabble is a sham. It also goes to show that the OT was cobbled together as a history book, typically propagandic in nature, and therefore not meant for everyone to read. But for the fortunate sake of the elites, the sheep are always more than willing to read it all in the most palatable context for them to digest. You too can be a member of the Chosen Elect if you buy that swampland in Florida.
GOOD STUFF THX RICHARD;

YOU SAID; Whatever the case here, human population levels then were not even close to today's, much less getting to Fuller's 22 billion threshold.

how do you know that? how many people were here? who counted? and who told you that? [we have evidence of past people that can cut and move stones we cant do today. PEOPLE WITH BIGGER BRAINS 15,000 years ag0 ] etc. etc. want to bet your life on it? the big boys do; I agree with everything else you said; remember co2 follows heat not drives it. co2 is good for YOU! more food

THANK GOD IT GOT WARMER I CAN LIVE IN A WORLD WITH OUT ICE BUT NOT IN A ICE BALL EARTH.

u said; and then finally to enslave all of the people. You don't learn that one in Sunday School. Wonder why?

THE SUN FISH SCHOOL WERE WE ALL SWIM IN THE SAME DIREACTION. GET-IT? DIDNT TELL YOU! WHATS UP! AS PLATO SAID KEEP THE SECERT. FOR POWERS SHAKE! some made it through with out the bases under ground in the past; if we were to have something big go wrong more people who are able to take care of self in small country towns; independent thinkers not less is a better bet to make it. through the bad times.
I lived in a tepee in a ks winter; 1978

Loren
 
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Richard Stanley

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Hi Loren,

In terms of the post Ice Age Holocene era, at least, there doesn't seem to be any evidence, textual or archaeological, for the immense population numbers that you suggest. Howeever, if large numbers of people existed at the then coasts, i.e. when the sea levels were ~400 feet lower, this would have been during the last Ice Age. But even here, the evidence for 'modern' humans at that time indicate either a relatively primitive technological status (of the hunter-gatherers) or a bifurcation involving a necessarily different group (such as your big headed Cro-Magnons) with some rather amazing abilities that for some reason had to extensively 'sublimate' the nature of their existence for some considerable time. As to just who those people were isn't my concern here, but that there does seem to be evidence that our general historical framework is defective (on purpose) and thus as to what all that might mean for us now is troubling, to say the least.

One issue is that large numbers of humans require proportionately large amounts of foodstuffs and fresh water to consume. The more animals they eat, then generally much more fresh water is necessary as the non-carnivorous animals require ever larger amounts of water in the aggregate. As you know, water, and other resources, are not distributed equally, and thus to maintain a large human population, this eventually requires agricultural practices such as irrigation, and the elimination of troublesome animal species, etc.. None of this even gets to such issues as using industrial levels of fertilizers and plant hybridization to increase yields, and even ignoring GMO here. Then these foodstuffs have to be transported to where they will be consumed.

As such, the mega-civilizations that you suggest would have been subject to the exact same short term feast and famine drought cycles (saying nothing about long term Climate Changes) that we see today that would almost certainly have made such large scale societies impracticable. They would have collapsed from the same weather and human dynamics that made the Mayans and the Egyptians and the various Mesopotamians, the Indus Valley culture, etc. collapse. However, one common denominator for most likely survival to the next period would be that their respective elites were in the best positions to take whatever measures needed to survive and pass on their lessons to their immediate offspring.

And if these societies didn't collapse, then they would have been forced to undergo large scale migrations, where possible, to move from their present drought conditions to a place likely a thousand or so miles away to where there is plenty of precipitation. This usually precipitates wars if there are other pre-existing 'natives', as well as being rather inconvenient.

The late Nichalas De Vere indeed stated that his immediate lineage (including one of the real Shakespeare(s)?) are indeed this distinctly separate line of red-headed, green eyed humans.
 

lorenhough

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Hi Loren,

In terms of the post Ice Age Holocene era, at least, there doesn't seem to be any evidence, textual or archaeological, for the immense population numbers that you suggest. Howeever, if large numbers of people existed at the then coasts, i.e. when the sea levels were ~400 feet lower, this would have been during the last Ice Age. But even here, the evidence for 'modern' humans at that time indicate either a relatively primitive technological status (of the hunter-gatherers) or a bifurcation involving a necessarily different group (such as your big headed Cro-Magnons) with some rather amazing abilities that for some reason had to extensively 'sublimate' the nature of their existence for some considerable time. As to just who those people were isn't my concern here, but that there does seem to be evidence that our general historical framework is defective (on purpose) and thus as to what all that might mean for us now is troubling, to say the least.


As such, the mega-civilizations that you suggest would have been subject to the exact same short term feast and famine drought cycles (saying nothing about long term Climate Changes) that we see today that would almost certainly have made such large scale societies impracticable. They would have collapsed from the same weather and human dynamics that made the Mayans and the Egyptians and the various Mesopotamians, the Indus Valley culture, etc. collapse. However, one common denominator for most likely survival to the next period would be that their respective elites were in the best positions to take whatever measures needed to survive and pass on their lessons to their immediate offspring.

And if these societies didn't collapse, then they would have been forced to undergo large scale migrations, where possible, to move from their present drought conditions to a place likely a thousand or so miles away to where there is plenty of precipitation. This usually precipitates wars if there are other pre-existing 'natives', as well as being rather inconvenient.

The late Nichalas De Vere indeed stated that his immediate lineage (including one of the real Shakespeare(s)?) are indeed this distinctly separate line of red-headed, green eyed humans.
Hi Richard, wishing you well; as the sunsets here;

So far we have found modern humans to be here for 2oo,ooo years, and have found over 22 + different spices of humans.

I say I do not know how many people where here over time or at any one time, you seem to say you know but you don't know, right? If we can fly now, is it possible that they flew in the past; as of 120 years ago they said 'never' can we fly; If we have alot of people now is it possible we had as much in the past?

Its hard think that so called primitive people still live today in a world of hi tec, could have been that way in the past?

Richard said; 'never' not even close to days 7 billion what's that mean you know?

I didn't say there were in cities you did.

I say never is a big word; as you said have you seen the cites of India etc. under the water 400 feet down ? not much last 15 thousand or more years other than stones, forever is along time to be so sure about. or 200,000 years.

Ancient Underwater City Found Off India: Discovery in Bay ...
... archaeological remains of this lost city have been ... underwater in the Gulf of ... by oceanographers from India's National Institute of Ocean ...

or the Mediterranean sea


Richard said; None of this even gets to such issues as using industrial levels of fertilizers and plant hybridization to increase yields[?lh,] and even ignoring GMO here.

What's your evidence we grow more food with poisons? do you grow food? I do, I have a book for you "Teaming with microbes" The organic gardeners guide to the soil food web; by w. Lewis he will tell you that's not true, that we grow less then we could, because of the poisons, that make super weeds and bugs and kill the life in the soil, that makes plants grow so well.

They say 1 farmer grows for a hundred people is that true really does that farmer make his [horse] tractor his oil [grass] his seed; well u get the point 60% of us workers have something to do with it. gmo seeds don't grow seed that can regrow does that help? etc. Monsanto went into India and destroyed 1,000,000 farmers does that help? do you know how many farmers are given $ not to grow food but grass here's the real story you cant put cattle on the grass. in crp so nothing eats it. grass needs cattle etc. to eat and etc. I know I own a farm. look what happen in Africa with the elephants when they said there was to many; took them away and the grass died.

I worked with wes Jackson MacArthur winner. at the land in salina. ks famous for perennial grains. just plant once nothing else other then harvest.

Russia grew all its all food and made all there own cloth, till they killed all the farmers [some say 30 million] after ww1 and had usa and Canada grow the food for then to hand out for total control and take over so so sad. as you said the bible is there blue print for Caesar pharaoh and in slave meant, as the mad men from the west in Russia take over, said to many people . that land is still there. and we still ship food to them so the people know who butters there bread.

Before the big die off there was 2 times as many animals over a 100lbs here, enough to eat any time you wanted 60 million buff. wild cows filled in the space more food then any one was eating water? have you been to Canada great lakes the rivers creeks are everywhere, or if need its called rain collection. recycled water can go a long way look up 'food power' you- tube another MacArthur award winner. up north

**rich here is my question; what problems have to many people made? not what did they eat? or where did they live, or how many.

As they say 'man' kind 'is a cancer' on this earth; mmm really?

Or is a few bad apples who want the whole pie, for there families only to go on for every, given us cancer? They seem to be in a hurry and think no one going to have just one child unless there a gun to there heads. Poor china; some say 60 million killed. there farmers were the best in the world not any more its all inter- depended as Caesar shepherd like his slaves dependent on him.

They say man ate all the mega animals so man is out of control and is a cancer on the earth; but we know man died out at same time in north America called the Clovis people.

Richard said; But even here, the evidence for 'modern' humans at that time indicate either a relatively primitive technological status (of the hunter-gatherers) or a bifurcation involving a necessarily different group (such as your big headed Cro-Magnons) with some rather amazing abilities that for some reason had to extensively 'sublimate' the nature of their existence for some considerable time;
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Let me remind you of the 'red' hair biggest skulls in the world in paracas in south a. 1ooos of them, [I can see you have not looked at yet which is ok] which are found all over the world next to mega stones that they moved and cut that we have no way of doing today, no need for stories from shaka spear, just the facts. They are human; as we have started testing there dna. did they dye off with the clovis people ?
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here above he hold and shows you bones of the head and with your own eyes see why a rope around the head wouldn't make there skulls so different, why would people mimic this oy kings like to think there a different spices.
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Richard; here is my proof of evidence for 'modern' humans in the past with a relatively high technological status. you will love this; as I can see you haven't seen it yet. Randall Carlson: had this on his site that's how I found it.

PYRAMIDS SECRETS REVEALED - YouTube
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6_N8GbZlsI


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And you said; fresh water to consume? ok where does water go after I consumed it? is there less or more? on the earth. over time some say more. evaporation cleans all water if there no fall out then its black-rain. or are they poisoning the well for fewer people like the romans salting the earth in Africa? or so called depleted radiation weapons in Afghanistan you know the pigs that kick. get eaten first.

A big boy book for you is 'the next million years' by Charles Galton Darwin, food is the limit and can change with know how, but survival is key, and he wants more perfect salves in a brave new world; Shepherds stay wild and we are the breed farmed pigs.

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"< the Egyptians told the Greeks you don't even know how old you are; then talk about lost cities under water 9,000 years ago; electricity in the past ? ="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Lagy_VAgHBg" "

Thank you for your time and input. loren
 
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lorenhough

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lorenhough

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The Giza Power Plant : Technologies of Ancient Egypt; ??

Did a highly advanced civilization exist in prehistory? Is the Giza Pyramid a remnant of their technology? Then, what was the power source that fueled such a civilization? The technology of harmonic resonance, claims renowned master craftsman and engineer Christopher Dunn. In a brilliant piece of reverse engineering based on twenty years of research, Dunn reveals that the Great Pyramid of Giza was actually a large acoustical device! By its size and dimensions, this crystal edifice created a harmonic resonance with the Earth and converted Earth's vibrational energies to microwave radiation. The author shows how the pyramid's numerous chambers and passageways were positioned with the deliberate precision to maximize its acoustical qualities. This may be the same technology discovered by Nikola Tesla and the solution to our own clean energy needs.


Suspicion naturally arises when you read a promo line on a back cover that says, "This is the most important book concerning the Great Pyramid written in the last 20 years." In this case, however, it may be fact. In writing The Giza Power Plant, mechanical engineer Christopher Dunn reverse-engineered the Great Pyramid at Giza to discover its use. His startling conclusions blow the heck out of traditional Egyptology's rather silly notions that it was built with copper tools by a society that lacked the wheel. While revisionist pyramid studies are rife with ridiculous theories that give the topic a bad name, The Giza Power Plant takes into account existing fact and artifact without having to rely on unprovable assertions. A must-read for truth seekers who aren't afraid to consider the idea that Western culture of the 21st century may not be the pinnacle of human evolution and achievement. --P. Randall Cohan

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Stephen Mehler presents some of his research on the Khemit or Khem Civilisation which preceded ancient dynastic Egyptian civilization. talks on not written but older oral tradition; history 18 min. jin talks about understanding the word.pharaoh
 

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Jerry Russell

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Hi Loren,

Rick and I have been talking about the Giza Pyramids for a long time, without coming up with any definitive answers. You might be amused by this theory that the Egyptians used some sort of molding technology similar to concrete, so that they didn't need to lift huge stones to such great height:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/dec/01look.htm
 

lorenhough

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The prehistoric temples of Malta are unique in all the world. They are some of the oldest standing stone structures which remain to us from ancient times. The temples date from 4000 - 2500 BC. They are older than Stonehenge, older than the Pyramids. Their architecture is beautiful and inspiring, their scale impressive yet human. Excellently preserved, they were covered with soil from early times and ignored by the long march of history. They were rediscovered and carefully restored by European and native Maltese archaeologists beginning in the 19th century. Because of their uniqueness and beauty, the major temple complexes are deservedly designated as UNESCO World Heritage Sites.http://web.infinito.it/utenti/m/malta_mega_temples/indxfram.html

+++wow this temple is cut out of stone under ground in the negative! no concrete here

Ancient Man Used “Super-Acoustics” to Alter ... no concrete here cut out of stone; in the negative under ground cut perfectly to make sound focus on a point only with the note 1st A on the piano that only a male can make! we cant do that now wow

the 50 tone bocks in the sphinx temple come from the earth as the grains in pyramid stones matches the quarry but I am open to cement we know Rome had it;



phys.org
Science News Wire
... Ancient Man Used “Super ... inside a 5,000-years-old mortuary temple on the Mediterranean island of ... male voice tuned to these frequencies ...
Ancient Man Used “Super-Acoustics” to Alter ...
Ancient Man Used “Super-Acoustics” to Alter Consciousness (... and speak with the dead?)
June 16th, 2014 Linda Eneix
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Research team members enter the "Oracle Room" of the Hal Saflieni Hypogeum, Malta (ca. 3600 BCE)

A prehistoric necropolis yields clues to the ancient use of sound and its effect on human brain activity.

Researchers detected the presence of a strong double resonance frequency at 70Hz and 114Hz inside a 5,000-years-old mortuary temple on the Mediterranean island of Malta. The Ħal Saflieni Hypogeum is an underground complex created in the Neolithic (New Stone Age) period as a depository for bones and a shrine for ritual use. A chamber known as "The Oracle Room" has a fabled reputation for exceptional sound behavior.

During testing, a deep male voice tuned to these frequencies stimulated a resonance phenomenon throughout the hypogeum, creating bone-chilling effects. It was reported that sounds echoed for up to 8 seconds. Archaeologist Fernando Coimbra said that he felt the sound crossing his body at high speed, leaving a sensation of relaxation. When it was repeated, the sensation returned and he also had the illusion that the sound was reflected from his body to the ancient red ochre paintings on the walls. One can only imagine the experience in antiquity: standing in what must have been somewhat odorous dark and listening to ritual chant while low light flickered over the bones of one's departed loved ones.

Sound in a Basso/Baritone range of 70 – 130 hz vibrates in a certain way as a natural phenomenon of the environment in the Hypogeum, as it does in Newgrange passage tomb, megalithic cairns and any stone cavity of the right dimensions. At these resonance frequencies, even small periodic driving forces can produce large amplitude oscillations, because the system stores vibrational energy. Echoes bounce off the hard surfaces and compound before they fade. Laboratory testing indicates that exposure to these particular resonant frequencies can have a physical effect on human brain activity.

In the publication from the conference on Archaeoacoustics which sparked the study, Dr. Paolo Debertolis reports on tests conducted at the Clinical Neurophysiology Unit at the University of Trieste in Italy: "…each volunteer has their own individual frequency of activation, …always between 90 and 120 hz. Those volunteers with a frontal lobe prevalence during the testing received ideas and thoughts similar to what happens during meditation, whilst those with occipital lobe prevalence visualized images." He goes on to state that under the right circumstances, "Ancient populations were able to obtain different states of consciousness without the use of drugs or other chemical substances."

Credit: Mediterranean Institute of Ancient Civilizations
Writing jointly, Anthropologist, Dr. Ezra Zubrow, Archaeologist and Psychologist, Dr. Torill Lindstrom state: "We regard it as almost inevitable that people in the Neolithic past in Malta discovered the acoustic effects of the Hypogeum, and experienced them as extraordinary, strange, perhaps even as weird and "otherworldly".

What is astounding is that five thousand years ago the builders exploited the phenomenon, intentionally using architectural techniques to boost these "super-acoustics". Glenn Kreisberg, a radio frequency spectrum engineer who was with the research group, observed that in the Hypogeum, "The Oracle Chamber ceiling, especially near its entrance from the outer area, and the elongated inner chamber itself, appears to be intentionally carved into the form of a wave guide."

Project organizer Linda Eneix points to other features: "The carving of the two niches which concentrate the effect of sound, the curved shape of the Oracle Chamber with its shallow "shelf" cut high across the back, the corbelled ceilings and concave walls in the finer rooms are all precursors of todays' acoustically engineered performance environments." She says, "If we can accept that these developments were not by accident, then it's clear that Ħal Saflieni's builders knew how to manipulate a desired human psychological and physiological experience, whether they could explain it or not."
Why?

It was demonstrated at the conference that special sound is associated with the sacred: from prehistoric caves in France and Spain to musical stone temples in India; from protected Aztec codexes in Mexico to Eleusinian Mysteries and sanctuaries in Greece to sacred Elamite valleys in Iran. It was human nature to isolate these hyper-acoustic places from mundane daily life and to place high importance to them because abnormal sound behavior implied a divine presence.
In the same conference publication Emeritus Professor Iegor Reznikoff suggests that Ħal Saflieni is a link between Palaeolithic painted caves and Romanesque chapels … "That people sang laments or prayers for the dead in the Hypogeum is certain, for a) it is a universal practice in all oral traditions we know, b) at the same period, around 3,000 BC, we have the Sumerian or Egyptian inscriptions mentioning singing to the Invisible, particularly in relationship with death and Second Life, and finally c) the resonance is so strong in the Hypogeum already when simply speaking, that one is forced to use it and singing becomes natural."

Drs. Lindstrom and Zubrow hint at a more hierarchal purpose for the manipulation of sound. "The Neolithic itself was characterized by cultures focused on new invention…enormous collective collaborations over extended periods of time. For these large-scale projects of agriculture and building, social cohesion and compliance was absolutely necessary."
The same people who created Ħal Saflieni also engineered a complete solar calendar with solstice and equinox sunrise alignments that still function today in one of their above-ground megalithic structures. There is no question that a sophisticated school of architectural, astronomic and audiologic knowledge was already in place a thousand years before the Egyptians started building pyramids. Eneix believes that Malta's Ħal Saflieni Hypogeum is a remnant of a rich cultural tradition carried by the Neolithic migrations that spanned thousands of years and thousands of miles.
More information:
www.archaeoacoustics.org
Rockefellers "Joked" About Controlling The World
Wed, 19 Dec 2007
The elitist Rockefeller sons would sometimes "joke" about which parts of the world they would each control according to biographer Peter Collier, carving the world up into different thiefdoms. Collier's admission that there was "something really behind the joke" is an understatement considering the revelations of the late Aaron Russo about what Nicholas Rockefeller told him.
 
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The Hypogeum of Hal Saflieni and an unknown race …
www.ancient-origins.net/.../hypogeum...race-elongated-skulls-001190
Many ancient megalithic structures exist in Malta and one of them is the ‘Hypogeum of Hal ... Initial DNA analysis of Paracas elongated skull ... soft tissue found ...
  • Malta, the elongated skulls and the "Serpent Priests"
    www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=179.0
    • may be.

      One particularly interesting fact about the Hypogeum is that when it was discovered, 7,000 skeletons were found piled within the chambers. What’s more is that they had a unique characteristic – elongated skulls – and one of the skulls (out of only a handful that survived) lacked the Fossa median (the join that runs along the top of the skull). It is known that some of the skulls were on display in the Archaeological Museum in Valletta. However, after 1985 all the skulls that had been found in the Hypogeum, along with other elongated skulls found across multiple ancient sites in Malta, disappeared without a trace, and have never been recovered. What remains to testify their existence and their abnormality are the photos of Dr Anton Mifsud, and his colleague Dr Charles Savona Ventura, and their books detailing the abnormalities of the skulls, including: elongation, abnormally developed temporal partitions, and drilled and swollen occiputs. Supporting the finding is an extract written in the National Geographic magazine in the 1920s describing the first inhabitants of Malta as a race with elongated skulls:


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    • From an examination of the skeletons of the polished-stone age, it appears that the early inhabitants of Malta were a race of long-skulled people of lower medium height, akin to the early people of Egypt, who spread westward along the north coast of Africa, whence some went to Malta and Sicily and others to Sardinia and Spain.
    NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC MAGAZINE January to June, 1920 VOLUME XXXVII
    It is, of course, highly suspicious that the evidence for such a significant discovery went missing. It appears to suggest that someone wished to keep the results of the finding out of public knowledge, and perhaps out of the hands of researchers.

  • A race of people with elongated skulls, a chamber of unbelievable acoustic properties, and the mysterious disappearance of more than 7,000 skulls makes you think that something very special happened in this place, yet very few people to know about it, and it appears someone wanted it to be this way.

  • By John Black
    Related Links
    The Hypogeum of Hal Saflieni
    Saflieni – The Hypogeum
    Malta - The Skulls of the Mother Goddess
    Archaeoacoustics analysis and ceremonial customs in an ancient hypogeum


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    Malta and Egypt and the elongated skulls and the "Serpent Priests" ... All over the world elongated skulls have been found. ... (elongated skull) ...
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