Eschatology of the Third and Fourth Reichs
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The Bohemian Reformation of the 15th century (involving Jan Huss), mentioned in Sepehr's video above, also coincided with the life of Wenceslaus IV, Holy Roman Emperor and King of Bohemia, who sought to protect Huss and his followers, and his younger half-brother, Sigismund, among other titles Holy Roman Emperor and King of Bohemia, who initially also tried to protect Huss, and who founded the Order of the Dragon in 1408, which the late Nicholas de Vere was the head of. From childhood, Sigismund was nicknamed "the ginger fox" in the Crown of Bohemia, on account of his hair colour. Their father, Holy Roman Emperor and King of Bohemia Charles IV, employed Jan Milic, the most influential preacher of the emerging Bohemian Reformation, in his Imperial Chancery, and Milic accompanied him into Germany several times. Also, the legendary German Rosicrucian founder, Christian Rosenkreuz, was supposed to have lived from 1378-1484, during the time of Huss, Wenceslaus, and Sigismund, and to have founded the Rosicrucian Order in 1407, the year before the Order of the Dragon was founded. If all of these Holy Roman (German) Emperors believed that they were descended from Wotan/Odin, so did the de Vere family, from an "Odin" Archdruid male line ancestor, the great-grandson of Vortigern (Vere Tigherna), who was supposed to have allowed the Anglo-Saxons into Britain in the first place.
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Joe Atwill has sent me a new article. We agreed to put it up on the Wordpress site, for formatting & a permalink.
https://postflaviana.org/the-freemason-invention-of-the-nazi-party/
Please discuss here, as the topic is generally related to the contents of this thread.
The article is not quite ready yet for "prime time". At a minimum, there's some format cleanup needed, and it could use some pictures. So, there will be updates in the next few days.
Joe is sending the link to a few scholar friends of his. There may also be some updates to the article based on comments received here.
https://postflaviana.org/the-freemason-invention-of-the-nazi-party/
Please discuss here, as the topic is generally related to the contents of this thread.
The article is not quite ready yet for "prime time". At a minimum, there's some format cleanup needed, and it could use some pictures. So, there will be updates in the next few days.
Joe is sending the link to a few scholar friends of his. There may also be some updates to the article based on comments received here.
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Greetings one and all!
Yes, Jerry, a bit of format cleanup is needed - but note who the co-founder of Skull & Bones was, even though the Bush family are Episcopalians (American Anglicans)! To get you out of the maze, note that the co-founder was not Bertrand Russell but Charles Taze Russell. Joe forgets to tell us that Taze Russell was also the founder of the Jehovah's Witlesses sect! You know, the one that refuses blood transfusions, idolizes Isaac Newton (the Freemason) and eventually preached, based on counting up the Great Pyramid's Ascending Passage and Grand Gallery to the beginning of the King's Chamber in pyramid-inches from creation, that the end of the world would begin in 1914!
Taze Russell died in 1916 and had handed over the Watchtower Society into the hands of 'Judge' Rutherford. People laughed at them in early 1914 - but they were not laughing after the middle of the year! This is why 10% of Germany's population still claim to be JWs - and why Hitler had them interned in concentration camps. As pacifists, Hitler could trust the JWs to run the kitchens as they would not try to kill or poison those whom they cooked for!!!!! After all, you wouldn't want Communists, Gypsies or Jews cooking for the SS guards - and one hardly has to be in a daze like Claude the Resident F. Badley to work that out!!!
Yours faithfully
Claude
Yes, Jerry, a bit of format cleanup is needed - but note who the co-founder of Skull & Bones was, even though the Bush family are Episcopalians (American Anglicans)! To get you out of the maze, note that the co-founder was not Bertrand Russell but Charles Taze Russell. Joe forgets to tell us that Taze Russell was also the founder of the Jehovah's Witlesses sect! You know, the one that refuses blood transfusions, idolizes Isaac Newton (the Freemason) and eventually preached, based on counting up the Great Pyramid's Ascending Passage and Grand Gallery to the beginning of the King's Chamber in pyramid-inches from creation, that the end of the world would begin in 1914!
Taze Russell died in 1916 and had handed over the Watchtower Society into the hands of 'Judge' Rutherford. People laughed at them in early 1914 - but they were not laughing after the middle of the year! This is why 10% of Germany's population still claim to be JWs - and why Hitler had them interned in concentration camps. As pacifists, Hitler could trust the JWs to run the kitchens as they would not try to kill or poison those whom they cooked for!!!!! After all, you wouldn't want Communists, Gypsies or Jews cooking for the SS guards - and one hardly has to be in a daze like Claude the Resident F. Badley to work that out!!!
Yours faithfully
Claude
Thanks Claude! Like old times!
Indeed, and the section about Skull & Bones is perhaps the most confused. Joe provided a link to the Pittsburgh Cemetery's website, which provides images of a pyramid in Egyptian style, built in honor of Charles Taze Russell.
But I'm a little confused, as the Wikipedia article about Skull & Bones indicates that the co-founders of the Yale fraternity were Alfonso Taft and William Huntington Russell. The linked source, https://yalealumnimagazine.org/articles/4072-the-origins-of-the-tomb, indicates that there were four additional Phi Beta Kappa co-founders and eight additional founding students. Skull & Bones was reportedly created in 1832, and Charles T. was born in 1852.
So far I have been unable to trace the connection between WH Russell and CT Russell. My parents did considerable genealogical research, and they never unearthed any connection between our family and either of these famous Russells, nor to Bertrand. But oddly, my father's name was Billy Joe (a Texas version of William) and my mother's side of the family was from Pittsburgh and environs.
Except for the coincidental surname match, and unless Wikipedia is trying to throw us off the track, there is no relationship between William Huntington Russell (Skull & Bones) and Charles Taze Russell (Watch Tower Society).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Huntington_Russell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taze_Russell
Concerning the connection of the Theosophical Society with the emerging Third Reich, Peter Levenda in his "Unholy Alliance" had touched upon this subject nearly thirty years ago.
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Alfonso Taft's double fourth cousin (once removed) Ezra Taft Benson was a Mormon pioneer, and became one of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, with his namesake great-grandson Ezra Taft Benson becoming Secretary of Agriculture & eventually the Mormon President. The Mormons, founded by Freemason Joseph Smith, incorporated elements of Freemasonry within it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_T._Benson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Taft_Benson
There is a royal Freemason connected to Adolf Hitler, as King Edward VIII, who abdicated to marry Wallis Simpson, was initiated in 1919. It is documented that Edward & Wallis came to Germany to visit Hitler, with historians suggesting that Hitler even intended to reinstate Edward on the throne once he conquered England. Going even deeper into the rabbit hole, a lady who called herself Emily Elizabeth Windsor-Cragg has told a fantastic story of Hitler actually being the natural oldest son of King George V, and thus Edward's half-brother. Hitler supposedly was "farmed out" to Alois & Klara Hitler, went to England in 1912, and was later contacted by George V, who explained to him his mission to conquer the world as part of the "Luciferian" Freemason agenda. It has also been written that Hitler was trained by the Tavistock Institute while in England, and then returned to Germany and his destiny (a very long story I made short).
Hello Seeker!
I checked Miles W Mathis's site, I don't think he came up with anything either.
According to namecensus.com, Russell is the 104th most common surname in the USA, with over 221,000 people sharing the name as of the last census. Many more Russells presumably are living in the UK and other parts of the world. In the distant past, there must have been many fewer at any given time; yet there's no particular reason to think that all Russells must ultimately be descended from a single pater familias. The name seems to carry a generic meaning of "red" and occurs in multiple spelling variants. So it could easily have been adopted by multiple individuals on multiple occasions.
Given that WH Russell and CT Russell lived just a few generations ago, the odds against them coming from the same family (within a reasonable number of jumps) must be almost astronomical -- or at least given only the information that they share the same last name.
The circumstances giving rise to speculation that Adolf Hitler might have been a Rothschild, are described at this link:
https://humansbefree.com/2011/05/adolf-hitler-was-a-rothschild-strong-evidence.html
Windsor-Cragg's book is available at Amazon for $1.99. Tempting...
I checked Miles W Mathis's site, I don't think he came up with anything either.
According to namecensus.com, Russell is the 104th most common surname in the USA, with over 221,000 people sharing the name as of the last census. Many more Russells presumably are living in the UK and other parts of the world. In the distant past, there must have been many fewer at any given time; yet there's no particular reason to think that all Russells must ultimately be descended from a single pater familias. The name seems to carry a generic meaning of "red" and occurs in multiple spelling variants. So it could easily have been adopted by multiple individuals on multiple occasions.
Given that WH Russell and CT Russell lived just a few generations ago, the odds against them coming from the same family (within a reasonable number of jumps) must be almost astronomical -- or at least given only the information that they share the same last name.
The circumstances giving rise to speculation that Adolf Hitler might have been a Rothschild, are described at this link:
https://humansbefree.com/2011/05/adolf-hitler-was-a-rothschild-strong-evidence.html
"Chancellor Dolfuss (the Chancellor of Austria) had ordered the Austrian police to conduct a thorough investigation into the Hitler family. As a result of this investigation a secret document was prepared that proved Maria Anna Shicklgruber was living in Vienna at the time she conceived.
At that time she was employed as a servant in the home of Baron Rothschild. As soon as the family discovered her pregnancy she was sent back to her home in Spital where Alois was born.”
This 'Alois Heidler' went on to marry Klara Polzi, whose fourth son Adolph was born in 1889.Windsor-Cragg's book is available at Amazon for $1.99. Tempting...
Actually, it might all be the same difference, whether Hitler is the secret son of a British Royal (as Windsor-Cragg, who thinks she is the true Queen of England, says) or the grandson of a Rothschild, as Greg Hallett, who thinks he is the true King of England, says that "The British Royal family are a subset of the Rothschild family", when describing his book "How to Take Over the World: A Right Royal Con". Maybe those two should have gotten married and been crowned last weekend!
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Mathew Crawford has reposted Joe's article at his Substack, here:
https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/the-freemason-invention-of-the-nazi
https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/the-freemason-invention-of-the-nazi
Tyrone McCloskey
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For your entertainment, here is my stab at identifying Hitler’s paternal grandfather. Yes, it’s a Rothschild, but Maria Schicklgruber is not his grandmother. Read on and find out who is- https://pieceofmindful.com/2022/08/04/the-hitler-project-hitlers-old-man/
Fascinating research, Tyrone!
At the risk of spilling the beans, I will say that the indisputable fact revealed is that Maria Anna Schickelgruber was a "41 year-old spinster maid" at the time she allegedly gave birth to 'Alois Heidler'. Thus it was utterly unlikely that she would have been an attractive target for Baron Anselm Rothschild's extramarital pickup efforts. (He was 8 years younger than Maria Anna.) And only slightly less likely that Johann George Heidler would have been interested. Not to mention that it would have been a medical miracle at the time, for a woman of this age to have given birth to any child at all.
Tyrone's conjecture based on these facts: Maria Anna Schickelgruber's only role in this charade, was as a caretaker and funds manager.
Similarly, 'Alois Heidler' entered into a rather unlikely first marriage: to an 'Anna Glasl-Horer', aged 50 years old at the time, who somehow came endowed with a large fortune. His third marriage was strange in the opposite way: he chose his uncle Johann's grand-daughter, age 16. Although, as Tyrone notes, the entire 'Heidler' family seems strangely fictional, consisting (as it does) of a man named Johann, and his brother Johann, and Johann's daughter Johanna (Klara's mother.)
Tyrone's proposed solution to the puzzle is speculative, but clever -- involving a relationship to Klemens von Metternich, who Tyrone describes as "the Henry Kissinger of his day."
Who knows, it could be true. I want DNA testing!!
At the risk of spilling the beans, I will say that the indisputable fact revealed is that Maria Anna Schickelgruber was a "41 year-old spinster maid" at the time she allegedly gave birth to 'Alois Heidler'. Thus it was utterly unlikely that she would have been an attractive target for Baron Anselm Rothschild's extramarital pickup efforts. (He was 8 years younger than Maria Anna.) And only slightly less likely that Johann George Heidler would have been interested. Not to mention that it would have been a medical miracle at the time, for a woman of this age to have given birth to any child at all.
Tyrone's conjecture based on these facts: Maria Anna Schickelgruber's only role in this charade, was as a caretaker and funds manager.
Similarly, 'Alois Heidler' entered into a rather unlikely first marriage: to an 'Anna Glasl-Horer', aged 50 years old at the time, who somehow came endowed with a large fortune. His third marriage was strange in the opposite way: he chose his uncle Johann's grand-daughter, age 16. Although, as Tyrone notes, the entire 'Heidler' family seems strangely fictional, consisting (as it does) of a man named Johann, and his brother Johann, and Johann's daughter Johanna (Klara's mother.)
Tyrone's proposed solution to the puzzle is speculative, but clever -- involving a relationship to Klemens von Metternich, who Tyrone describes as "the Henry Kissinger of his day."
Who knows, it could be true. I want DNA testing!!
Karl Haemers posted a rebuttal to Joe's article "The Freemason Invention of the Nazi Party", on Substack:
https://karlhaemers.substack.com/p/atwill-vs-haemers-who-invented-the
His opposing thesis is that National Socialism was invented by German workers who found their voice through the work of Rudolf Jung, also known as "the 'Karl Marx' of National Socialism". Another important source, according to Haemers, was Gottfried Feder, author of "Manifesto for the Breaking of the Financial Slavery to Interest."
Haemer's rebuttal is incomplete; Part 2 is said to be forthcoming.
https://karlhaemers.substack.com/p/atwill-vs-haemers-who-invented-the
His opposing thesis is that National Socialism was invented by German workers who found their voice through the work of Rudolf Jung, also known as "the 'Karl Marx' of National Socialism". Another important source, according to Haemers, was Gottfried Feder, author of "Manifesto for the Breaking of the Financial Slavery to Interest."
Haemer's rebuttal is incomplete; Part 2 is said to be forthcoming.
You have had it for years, Hitler is a subclade of Haplogroup "E", and Rothschild is a subclade of Haplogroup "J". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_haplogroups_of_historic_peopleWho knows, it could be true. I want DNA testing!!
That being said, don't you think the Elite can easily cover their "tracks" from the public, after all, who owns the testing companies?
Yeah, as the Rolling Stones said, "You Can't Always Get what you Want", sigh...
As far as I can find, the information on Hitler was never published in any scientific journal, but only in 'Knack', which is like a Dutch version of 'Time Magazine' or 'Newsweek'. That is, if indeed they did publish any information at all, beyond sensationalized claims. Wikipedia gives a source link to a Knack article that seems to be only a preview or teaser. Here is the Google translation of the teaser, as preserved by archive.is:
This week Knack reveals the genetic lineage of Adolf Hitler.
By analyzing the DNA of family members of the Führer, journalist Jean-Paul Mulders was able to determine Hitler's so-called "haplogroup". It reveals where Hitler's forefathers came from and to whom he is related.
Remarkably, Hitler appears to belong to the haplogroup E1b1b, which is not very common in Germany and Western Europe. This 'genetic fingerprint' is much more common in the south: in 25 percent of Greeks and Sicilians, and in as many as 50 to 80 percent of North Africans. Haplogroup E1b1b occurs most frequently among the Berbers and also in Somalia (> 80%). Even more striking is that Hitler's haplogroup is the second most common haplogroup among Ashkenazi Jews.
The issue becomes really fascinating when you compare it with the Nazi worldview, which gave such extreme importance to concepts such as blood and race. Hitler's concern about his own origin is not unjustified. Our investigation shows that he was not “purebred” or “Aryan” himself.”
"The results of this research are surprising," says Professor Ronny Decorte, genetics expert at K.U.Leuven. Hitler wouldn't have been happy about it. For modern science, races no longer exist. The purebred type of the übermensch, and the associated breeding programs to perfect that purebred, have been pure inventions.'
In the past, Mulders tracked down relatives of Hitler in Austria and the United States. He dispelled the persistent myth that Hitler had fathered a son with a young Frenchwoman during the First World War. He then received questions from various countries about the genetic descent of the Führer.
A jawbone of Hitler is still preserved in archives in Moscow, as is a bloodied cloth from the sofa on which he is said to have committed suicide on April 30, 1945. Knack has now asked the Russian government for permission to analyze those remains. In this way the speculations that have been circulating for 65 years about the death of the Führer could be put to an end forever.
So how could they track down Hitler's relatives, without making assumptions about who his parents were?? Isn't this a circular argument? Knack seems to admit as much, clamoring for access to Hitler's physical remains to verify the results. But again, how do we know Hitler really died in his bunker? It's a mess.
The Rothschild results are here:
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/rothschild/default.aspx?section=yresults
I can't make head or tail of it. If these are all men who descended directly from Mayer Amschel Rothschild, there seems to be a surprising amount of Y-chromosome diversity.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-tracked-39-living-descendants-dictator.html
Yes, FamilyTreeDNA doesn't make it easy for us, but I did some digging and I think they mean the listed
Lob Yehuda ben Kolonymos Rothschild, d1781,Germany might be a cousin of the banker Rothschilds. However, I have yet to find him in any official Rothschild banker genealogy. |