Eschatology of the Third and Fourth Reichs

Richard Stanley

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Part 2:

From pg. 166, Hitler the apocalyptic prophet:

On January 30, 1939, Hitler gave his yearly speech to the Reichstag commemorating his assumption of power and, with it, the dawn of the millennial Third and Final Reich. He assumed his role as Endtime prophet, proclaiming,

Quite often in my life I have been known as a prophet and was mostly laughed at. In the time of my struggle for power it was primarily the Jewish people who responded to my prophecies with laughter. I then took over the leadership of the state in Germany and thereby the entire Volk and then, among many other things, would bring a solution to the Jewish problem. I believe that the ringing laughter of Jewry in Germany meanwhile is now stuck in their throats. I will today again be a prophet: if international finance Jewry within and without Europe should succeed in plunging the peoples yet once again in a world war, then it will result not in the Bolshevization of the earth and thereby the victory of Jewry, but rather the extermination of the Jewish race in Europe.13

In the context of the conjectures of the show Hunting Hitler, that the surviving Nazi enterprise in South America and elsewhere represents the attempted or successful establishment of a Fourth Reich needs some reconciling with that the Third Reich was intended as a Millennial Reich, and as a Final Reich would even preclude the notion of a Fourth Reich. But maybe this is just semantics?

In any case, we can see the biblical typology being made with Hitler's assertion, that his divine prophetship is mocked by the Jews. The sardony here, is that a complete typological parallel would mean that Hitler was Jewish, ... or maybe one from the Lost Tribes. While there are claims that Hitler is one quarter Rothschild, the late Nicholas DeVere claimed he was more likely descended of the peasant class, but this could fall under the claims of British-Israel ... that such are part of the Lost Tribes. Too bad we don't have his DNA, just imagine if he descended from a bastard son from the 'Germanic' royalty of Britain, for instance.
 
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Suchender

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"....a terrible cosmic catastrophe occurred about 15,800 years ago...."

Hello Jerry.

I just started to read this topic.

Are you familiar with the Electric Universe ?

You can find a lot of useful information at the Thunderbolts Project channel on YouTube.
 

Suchender

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"....a consensus timetable that they're operating from. Or there could be multiple conflicting interpretations and controversies, even among the insiders...."

Jerry, have you ever read what the "Insider" said in 2005 ?

If not, just google :
Revelations of an Elite Family Insider 2005
 

Jerry Russell

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On January 30, 1939, Hitler gave his yearly speech to the Reichstag commemorating his assumption of power and, with it, the dawn of the millennial Third and Final Reich.
So, if Trump is the Beast from the Sea in Revelations chapter 13, then where did Hitler fit into the apocalyptic sequence? Or was he just a random disconnected pseud0-millennial head fake with no significance in the larger pattern?
 

Jerry Russell

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Are you familiar with the Electric Universe ?
Yes, and I don't see anything obviously wrong with their physics. But I haven't spent a lot of time studying it.

Along with the ancient astronaut folks, they draw a lot of inferences from ancient cave paintings and other archaeological relics. It seems to me that those artifacts could be just a manifestation that ancient humans had vivid imaginations. I don't find those sorts of arguments very convincing. From the Bayesian point of view, given H1=electric universe and H2=artists fantasy, the relics can be explained equally well by either hypothesis.

Revelations of an Elite Family Insider 2005
Thanks, interesting. Reminds me of Q-anon.
 

Richard Stanley

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I don't see how Hitler fits into the ongoing sequence that I've detailed in Apocalypse How, Part 1.

As such, maybe the World Wars were just part of getting the global chess board properly situated. Same for the Napoleonic business.
 

Jerry Russell

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Financing for the newborn Nazi party came from the Bank of England via Switzerland and the Bayreuth Festival was the conduit for the funds. ... Hitler's only qualifications to lead Nazi Germany was the fact that he was Austrian; a British secret service agent, and had unlimited funds from the Bank of England.
I've been looking for some confirmation of this from a more primary source. No luck so far, but I did find this:

http://spartacus-educational.com/Kurt_Ludecke.htm

In 1924 Lüdecke sent Winifred Wagner to the United States to obtain funds for the Nazi Party. This including meeting Henry Ford. She admitted to James Pool in 1977: "Ford told me that he had helped to finance Hitler with money from the sales of automobiles and trucks that he had sent to Germany." Winifred suggested that Hitler was now more in need for money than ever. Ford replied that he was still willing to support if he was still working to free Germany from the Jews.

As such, maybe the World Wars were just part of getting the global chess board properly situated. Same for the Napoleonic business.
Maybe we just don't understand yet how it fits in. But then again, maybe they're continually and profitably re-using the same old apocalyptic biblical tropes, with no particular end point in mind?
 

Richard Stanley

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The scale of projects that the Nazis undertook, and mostly completed, in such a short time is rather incredible. The financial distress of post-WWI Germany was dire, and so identifying the actual funding sources is important. Could funds from the so-called Jewish "transfer agreements", Henry Ford and the like have been enough? It doesn't seem likely to me to have been enough.
 

Suchender

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Maybe we just don't understand yet how it fits in. But then again, maybe they're continually and profitably re-using the same old apocalyptic biblical tropes, with no particular end point in mind?
A never ending test for humans to learn not to trust "authority" ?
 

Richard Stanley

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Maybe we just don't understand yet how it fits in. But then again, maybe they're continually and profitably re-using the same old apocalyptic biblical tropes, with no particular end point in mind?
Which would be worse, that "they" have "no particular end point in mind", or rather that "they" do have an end point in mind? Besides profit that is, of which such profit is but one means to achieve that end.

The Bible's most ubiquitous subtext is global dominion, and existential dread of a seemingly immanent apocalypse, cosmic and/or otherwise is enough to motivate all the numerous 'failed' millennialist movements of the past 2,000 plus years. Seems the perfect (anti)social environment to find man-made Hegelian Dialectics, and then for us to ask from what perspective might any or all of these 'failed' movements should actually be considered as failures. That is, if some hidden hand's objective is being furthered, behind a veil of religious interpretation.

The proto-Nazis, in the waning stages of WWI and into the Weimar Republic were bemoaning the "loss" of the Volksgemeinshaft's Burgfrieden (see except below), which only existed for a brief time, if at all, a cynical(? or naive?) utopian synthesis imagined by Kaiser Wilhelm. Redles doesn't mention it, but this occurred in the wake of such as the Kulturkampf, which was the culture struggle between the modernists, writ large, and the traditionalists (including the Church). Germany was wracked by decades of social upheaval stemming from the changes from moving from a once feudal agrarian society to a 'liberal' beacon of urbanized industrialization and all the changes, good and bad, that it brought along.

The motive for Kaiser Wilhelm to invent this concept was to mitigate against industrial labor's trend to collectivism, already making serious inroads into Germany. We have already discussed Euro-royalty's, perhaps bungled, attempt to mitigate collectivism by advocating the most extreme version, Marx's Communism, by employing Marx himself to formulate it.

From pg. 15 of Hitler's Millennial Reich: Apocalyptic Belief and the Search for Salvation:

Many Germans believed that from the bloodshed and martyrdom a social regeneration or rebirth could occur, as all classes and social groups pulled together in a Volksgemeinshaft, or “people’s community.” Kaiser Wilhelm’s call for a Burgfrieden (domestic or civil truce) whereby all political parties, and the class interests they represented, would join in a common cause for Greater Germany only bolstered this enthusiasm. Yet, the truce was short-lived and the utopian dream of a community of unified Germans left unfulfilled. By 1917–18, disenchantment and disillusionment had become the norm among the various groups involved in the Burgfrieden. As the war dragged on, class conflict escalated, and, with the war’s abrupt end in November 1918, the threat of Russian-style civil war appeared more a certainty than a possibility. After the war, the soldiers, after experiencing the organized chaos of war, returned home from the front to a chaos of a different sort.

One irony here being that the Communists were insisting that 'class' existed and desired to struggle in class warfare, while the traditionalists insisted that 'class' didn't exist, and so there was no need for class struggle. Of course, one can argue that class and culture are two different things, but they are intimately related to each other.


As such one has to wonder what the relations were between the related Germano Kaisers, Hapsburgs, and Hannover/Windsors, and what the real motivations were leading to WWI. The latter were so concerned about 'appearances that they changed their throne surname to the current Windsors. This cross allegience of the Windsors was also highly suspected during WWII, and one finds remnants of German royalty supporting the Nazis, despite the overt claims of the Nazis to be a populist endeavor, as does the Trumpublican Party today.

The sardonic struggle for the Germans then became (National) Socialism versus (International) Bolshevik Communism, where both perceived Capitalism to be bad. In the case of the Germans they considered both Capitalism and Communism to be Jewish constructs. Here one cannot imagine the royals siding with the Nazis, except that such socialists were the lesser of two collectivist evils, and here Hitler brought an apocalypse to his followers, his lesser ones that is.

As for the royals then, I have to think that the concept of a Burgfrieden to be a cynical ploy, as I have conjectured identically for the Mont Pelerin construct of Libertarian's war against class war. The known common element being the Hapsburgs. So Libertarianism might be seen as Volksgemeinshaft Burgfrieden II.

And what then was the motivation for so many Germans to immigrate to South America prior to WWII, and was this the same motivation as was for Donald Trump's Bavarian grandfather to immigrate to the USA, and briefly to sell frozen horseburgers and pussy to gold diggers in the Klondike?

A never ending test for humans to learn not to trust "authority" ?
"Trust but verify" must extend to all such human endeavors, not just to 'authoritarian' regimes. Faux News' Fascio-Libertarian Tucker Carlson's prescription is to simply invert everything the media says, while blindly accepting everything the Fuhrer Doo says. I suspect that the Fuhrer Doo and and his brown stained shirts will eventually fall like Fuhrer I and Napoleon did, with such as the Bushes and Clintons being laundered in the process. As in the Bible story, we neglect that Joseph (not a 'Jew') collaborated with Pharaoh.
 

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Last night I watched an End Times documentary, Cracking the Prophetic Code, providing its own interpretation of the Book of Revelation. Besides likely making me drop Donald Trump as being the Beast of the Sea, in favor of its interpretation, it concluded with the claim that God's plan is to have his saved ones be transported to their own plaet amongst the billions of galaxies out there in the heavens. I have not check to see whether or not Ken Klein, the producer, is a Mormon or not, but this aspect comports with Mormon astrotheology. To wit, they claim that Adam and Eve were delivered to Earth in this fashion, and so the worthy Mormon descendants will have similar fates in becoming the founders of their respective own planets' civilizations.

I bring this up because it seems that Hitler, in his Mein Kampf makes a similar claim with his 'divine prophecy'.

From Redles's Hitler's Millennial Reich: Apocalyptic Belief and the Search for Salvation, pg. 70:

In Hitler’s apocalyptic cosmology, this mission required Aryans to purify themselves in order to reach a stage of biospiritual perfection, thereby achieving a state of godlike capabilities, ruling the earth as god-men as in ancient times:

Human culture and civilization on this continent are inseparably bound up with the presence of the Aryan. If he dies out or declines, the dark veils of an age without culture will again descend on this globe. The undermining of the existence of human culture by the destruction of its bearer seems in the eyes of a volkish philosophy the most execrable crime. Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise. And so the volkish philosophy of life corresponds to the innermost will of Nature, since it restores that free play of forces which must lead to a continuous mutual higher breeding, until at last the best of humanity, having achieved possession of this earth, will have a free path for activity in domains which will lie partly above it and partly outside it. We all sense that in the distant future humanity must be faced by problems which only a highest race, become master people and supported by the means and possibilities of an entire globe, will be equipped to overcome.90

Of course, this begs the question of whether 'God' will allow these new cosmic civilizations to become polluted with Satan's spawn as Hitler et al. asserted for the Jews here on Earth? Somewhat consistent with this, researcher and author Joseph Farrell claims that the Nazis were intent on creating a "breakaway civilization", with the intent on escaping into the solar system, if not beyond, using technology they were working on. In any case, Redles provides quotes, by such as Dietrich Eckhart, that they saw even WWI as part of the same apocalyptic complex as the Weimar period and WWII, so presumably one might consider that losing WWII could also be seen as just part of the longer process leading to redemption.

Elsewhere, Hitler asserts that the Aryans are the real Chosen People of God, with the Jews, in contrast, being the Chosen of Satan. This latter equation is similar to Laurent Guyenot's more recent analysis of Judaism's monotheism as being a distillation from the prior Egyptian complex of Osiris, Isis, Horus and Set (Seth), leaving the first three out of the mix. Our Postflavian analysis asserts that early Judaism, derived from Egypt, was indeed a synthetic Cultural dialectic. And, that the Christian Churches have cynically played upon this dialectic. As such, perhaps we should consider that the Nazi formulation, not removed, at all, from the Judaeo-Christian construct was an expected logical extension, especially with Machiavellian operators behind the scenes.

With the general post-WWII disregard for the Nazis, one has to wonder how all that Chosen status is working out for either group, albeit that there are survivors in either camp that claim the opera is not yet over.

From pg. 75:

Inseparably tied to the sense of mission is the sense of being chosen by higher powers to fulfill that mission. In keeping with the archetypal pattern of apocalyptic movements, the Nazis viewed themselves as specially chosen to fulfill this divine salvational mission. Hitler stated bluntly, “The selection of the Führer class is my struggle for power. Whoever proclaims his allegiance to me is, by this very proclamation and by the manner in which it is made, one of the chosen.”110

From Redles's book it is abundantly clear to me that the Germans of the Nazi period, except for those who found it abhorrent, saw themselves on a divine mission, having had Hitler reframe their notions and definitions. As has been noted for the development of Christianity having been dropped atop the prior strata of Judaism, Nazism seems to have been dropped atop Judaeo-Christianity ... similarly taking its own liberties with the prior.

All of which is a further demonstration of the strength (whether good or bad) of cultural narratives, and thus ... "be careful what you ask for" in saving 'culture'.
 

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Besides likely making me drop Donald Trump as being the Beast of the Sea, in favor of its interpretation
Why does it have to boil down to only one best interpretation? If the same prophecy can be used over and over, doesn't that make it all the much more valuable?

Here is an article at 'Scientific American' featuring interviews with several psychologists who assert that apocalyptic and millennial belief systems have a persistent and perennial appeal to basic human nature. As such, they'll never go out of style. (Not that I would encourage anyone to give up their place in their nuclear war survival bunker or underground tunnel, just because worrying about the future is human nature. A nuclear war could ruin your whole day if you aren't prepared; or even if you are.)

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/psychology-reveals-the-comforts-of-the-apocalypse/

University of Minnesota neuroscientist Shmuel Lissek, who studies the fear system, believes that at its heart, the concept of doomsday evokes an innate and ancient bias in most mammals. "The initial response to any hint of alarm is fear. This is the architecture with which we’re built," Lissek says. Over evolutionary history, organisms with a better-safe-than-sorry approach survive. This mechanism has had consequences for both the body and brain, where the fast-acting amygdala can activate a fearful stress response before "higher" cortical areas have a chance to assess the situation and respond more rationally.

But why would anyone enjoy kindling this fearful response? Lissek suspects that some apocalyptic believers find the idea that the end is nigh to be validating. Individuals with a history of traumatic experiences, for example, may be fatalistic. For these people, finding a group of like-minded fatalists is reassuring. There may also be comfort in being able to attribute doom to some larger cosmic order—such as an ancient Mayan prophecy. This kind of mythology removes any sense of individual responsibility.

There’s an even broader allure to knowing the precise end date. "Apocalyptic beliefs make existential threats—the fear of our mortality—predictable," Lissek says. Lissek, in collaboration with National Institute of Mental Health neuroscientist Christian Grillon and colleagues, has found that when an unpleasant or painful experience, such as an electric shock, is predictable, we relax. The anxiety produced by uncertainty is gone. Knowing when the end will come doesn't appeal equally to everyone, of course—but for many of us it's paradoxically a reason to stop worrying.
 

Richard Stanley

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Why does it have to boil down to only one best interpretation? If the same prophecy can be used over and over, doesn't that make it all the much more valuable?
Yes, such as the Book of Revelation can indeed be used over and over, just ask the Jesuits (their Preterism and Futurism). Hitler (and his 'brains') developed his own riff on the Book of Revelation for the Nazi apocalypse.

I would not be dropping my main thesis in Apocalypse How, Part 1, just that Trump is a beast. This per maintaining symbolic consistency with the Daniel prophecies where such symbology is interpreted internally in the text itself -- as being references to nations and empires.

In this case, the Beast of the Sea would be Great Britain, and the Beast of the Land being the USA (which follows the program of the former, as in the canon). And ironic that WWII's defeat of Hitler terminated the reign of the Beast of the Sea in favor of the latter. Doing so, does create some chronological problems however, so I must ponder this some more.

Redles mentions such thinking by other researchers, and offers that such apocalypticism is practically an archetypal function. And so, of one can "prepare the way" for the new messiah, by helping to establish the psychological preconditions for mass recruitment into the apocalyptic / salvational cause then you can play this out almost as often as one wants. In the case of WWI, Kaiser Wilhelm set absurdly high expectations for the German people, most all excited to participate in a grand victory, only to be rudely dashed to pieces. The war financed by monetary inflation that was continued into hyperinflation by the 'liberal' Weimar Republic. Hitler was then able to marshal all of the preconditions, including using traditional Catholic and Lutheran blame of the Jews game (that also programed into the Bible, OT and NT).

Now, the Liddle Bavarian du jour is following the same playbook, only with different trumped up villians. Was just watching a Morning Joe segment this morning where Joe was talking about his once warning that Obama had better fulfill the hopeful expectations of his white male voters, or else. And now they are angry Trumpkins.
 

Richard Stanley

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In the following excerpt we see the typology of the Suffering Servant, also explicit in the title of Mein Kampf (My Struggle). The Suffering Servant, from the (sardonically Jewish) Book of Isaiah was employed in the Christ narrative. In the larger context, this is yet another reason why the Preterist view of the Christian End Times is valid (as 'script'), concurrent with the otherwise 'seemingly' mutually exclusive Futurist POV. The suffering savior, or messiah, is a necessary aspect of the "apocalyptic complex". Hitler et al. had flipped the 'script' of scripture with the Nazis becoming the forces of Light and the Jews (and homosexuals, gypsies, communists, and Slavs) being the forces of Darkness.

From Hitler's Millennial Reich, pp. 71,72:

Hitler, in his speeches, delegated this mission to his loyal followers. Willi Martin recalled a Hitler speech befitting a prophet and messiah of the Endtime:

That the Führer had suffered spiritually, we saw in his immensely serious features. However, his words were for us a source of power. These words gave us new courage and resolution for the coming struggle-years. And he admonished us of our mission, and said to us with prophetic words that we, if he could count on us, would obtain an impetus of immense dimensions that would form our battalion into a regiment, this regiment into a division, and this division into a army corp—then the entire Volk would be captured. Thereafter our enthusiasm knew no bounds. And this enthusiasm was for us also the loyalty to this man, who alone had, in the last hour, mastered Germany’s fate and had taught us about the future.95
Members of the Sturmabteilung (SA; the party’s paramilitary force) and the Schutzstaffel (SS; Hitler’s personal bodyguards) especially took pride in their mission. They viewed themselves as holy warriors, crusade knights, fighting with their messiah for the coming millennium. One SA member, Martin Reihl, stated proudly, “truly the SA, and especially our old 6th company, brought with their great sacrifice of blood Germany’s liberation and resurrection.”96"
As I am learning, the organic source of distress in the Germans, as well in other places at the time, was the economic and Cultural disruptions of modernity, e.g. industrialization, urbanization, emancipation of the feudal peasant serfs and Jews. And the inorganic, synthetic, source was the inane, centuries old military posturing of the extant monarchies (Austro-Hungarian, German, Russian, Ottoman, and British). In the case of the Germans, the resulting glorious [sic] war (WWI) quickly went sour, the inflationary printing of money continuing into the surviving Weimar Republic, thus staining the minds of the suffering (and religious minded) Germans regarding liberal modernism. Weimar liberalism was a caricature of 'Liberalism', as was Marxist Communism a crafted, marginalizing caricature of socialism. Remember, create the problem, so that you can provide the solution (even decades and decades later).

Adolf Hitler was thus the divine savior that would lead to a millennial reich (for Aryans and their lesser friends). However, he allowed for that some future work would be needed by successors. Now, we have our own Liddle Bavarian, who has suffered mightily at the hands of the evil Wall Street Banker cabal, where he could only get capital from Germany (Deutsche Bank) and Russia (ironically). In his own bold words, and his own immensely serious features, only he can save us ... (from the fake or synthesized demons).

Also, from Redles's book we can see that National Socialism was not an economic framework, as in the classic understanding of the modernist sense of the movement that rose up from the issues of evolving labor movements in the new industrial era. The real 'socialist' focus here was in a 'collective' spiritual and secular cultural reunification of the 'Aryan' Germanic peoples, necessitating the racial cleansing of the Jews and others from their new Chosen [sic] midst. Thus, if one was an 'emotional' socialist, and not an 'intellectual' one, then you might be easily swayed to become a Nazi. This is like a white Obama voter being easily switched to being a Trumpublican. Feelings matter, facts not so much.

Also, the co-optation of the term 'socialist' was a similar ploy of co-optation as was employed with Marx, the maritally related employee of the Prussian aristocracy (Biblical Ephraim in the Postflavian understanding). Hence we can resolved the seeming paradox of (national) 'socialists' fighting (internationalist) communists. Both sides were being played by the hidden hand of of the genetically related royals (Ephraim). Yes, the Romanovs were 'sacrificed' for the cause, as were the French Sun Kings in Napoleon's time. This gave a temporary home to the synthetic foil of Bolshevik Marxism, partly financed by the Bavarian 'Bauers' (Bavers - aka Rothschilds), who were elevated to their careers by their business associations to Prussian aristocracy (Judah as subservient fronts to Ephraim).

The current (Liddle) Bavarian is now stoking the basest extremes of American individualism, an inversion of Hitler's extreme 'Romantic' appeal to the Germans', suffering from the transformational ills of modernism (and some human meddling), psychological need for a saving return to more familiar social culture, perhaps feudalism under a different name?

The Liddle Bavarian's efforts will likely come to the same end, leaving the 'true Church' and its aristocratic stockholders (Ephraim) to provide its own global Millennial Savior, apparently seeming to come from the heavens, per the Book of Revelation. All this is metaphorically consistent with the movie, Jupiter Ascending, except perhaps the warm and fuzzy ending that is.

Beginning (arguably) with Nixon's attacks on liberal democracy, and that fake hero, Reagan, the clown Clintons, the pirate Bushes, the failed promise of Obama, we've now arrived at a point of needing to acclaim that liberal democracy is a failure (because it has been made to fail), because we have been primed for accepting such as 'Space Jesus'. At least those of us that get to survive, the apocalyptic "remnant".


 

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In the following Big Think video, Reza Aslan ponders whether or not white American evangelicals have been transformed into the apocalyptic Cult of Trump. Here, this matches what Redles discusses for Nazism, as it really being an apocalyptic 'spiritual cult', derived from the respective witch's brew of prerequisite apocalyptic aspects.

In the case of the Nazis the divine cult of Hitler worship (as the messiah) morphed from the original Christian hatred of Jews for their being "Christ killers". This was always stoked by Catholic theologians starting with St. Augustine till Pope John Paul II. In this sense Hitler was the 'prophet' and 'savior' of the Nazis so-called Positive Christianity'.

Having the in mind then listen to Aslan mention what Pat Robertson and Reverend Jeffress have stated for Trump.




And from the same article I recently discussed on the END thread:

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Fea’s overview of the “court evangelists” suffers from a similar analytical shortfall. He divides them into three camps: The old Christian right, preachers of the "prosperity gospel," and those Fea identifies as "Independent Network Charismatics." The first includes prominent names such as James Dobson and Jerry Falwell Jr., but Fea focuses attention on Robert Jeffers
[Jeffress- rs], a Dallas preacher less well known outside evangelical circles, whom Fea once debated on NPR’s “Interfaith Voices.”

During that exchange, Jeffers said, “Look, the godly principle here is that governments have one responsibility, and that is Romans 13 [which] says to avenge evildoers. God gives government the power of the sword, of capital punishment, of executing wrong-doers.” Fea notes what a dramatic shift this marks from Jeffers’ pre-Trump position. That specific example makes his argument concrete, but adds little in the way of broader understanding. ...

https://www.alternet.org/blinded-darkness-heres-why-evangelicals-are-choosing-trump-over-jesus
Also from July 2016:

Some Evangelical Christians are beginning to hold presumed Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump in high esteem. Several Evangelicals, including walking gaffe former Rep. Michelle Bachmann, already believe Trump, the thrice married, casino magnate, who appeared on the cover of Playboy, has been ordained by God.

But televangelist Pat Robertson has taken it one step further. He believes Trump is on par with Jesus Christ.

“God came to me in a dream last night and showed me the future,” said Robertson. “He took me to heaven and I saw Donald Trump seated at the right hand of our Lord.

According to Raw Story, Robert Jeffress, pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas, a 12,000-member megachurch, said Trump would make a better candidate than Jesus. ...

https://bizstandardnews.com/2016/07/14/robertson-said-he-had-vision-of-trump-seated-at-the-right-hand-of-the-lord/

It is Jesus who supposedly sits at the right hand of God.
 

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I've recently started into Peter Levenda's The Hitler Legacy: The Nazi Cult in Diaspora: How it was Organized, How it was Funded, and Why it Remains a Threat to Global Security in the Age of Terrorism. The following excerpt overlaps with David Redles's Hilter's Millennial Reich and also provides some background context for the Nazi's theological notion of Positive Christianity - this shorn of Judaic influences. As far as I understand it the Nazis proposed this concept to the Vatican with no success. Of course, as Levenda's explanation of the Deutsche Christen sect as being spawned from Protestantism, the Vatican could profitably use such as further deniability insulation from the Nazis, whom they preferred to keep their support for more on the Down Low.

That is, with the exception of celebrating Hitler's rise to chancellor in 1933 by displaying swastikas in the cathedrals and displaying Jesus's putative ephod, the seamless robe of a 'Jewish' high priest, in the cathedral in Trier. And, invoking the Second Prophecy of Fatima to recruit global Catholics to help Hitler fight the godless Bosheviks.

And besides, the conversion to Positive Christianity would require some nifty and considerable redaction of the Bible. Oy veh!! But seriously, who would notice? :rolleyes:

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It may seem that an ideology that looks forward to the Second Coming of Jesus and the End of Days would not have much in common with Nazism. Except that it was just those teachings— that Jesus was not Jewish, that true Christianity is Aryan, and that Jews are the spawn of Satan—that informed one of the strangest religious movements in Nazi Germany, that of the Deutsche Christen, or the German Christian sect. Formed in 1931 to rid Christianity of “Jewish influences,” the Deutsche Christen aimed to de-emphasize (or excise or rewrite entirely) those portions of the Old Testament that were concerned primarily with Jewish ideas, and to promote the concept of an “Aryan” Christ. By 1933, after Hitler's rise to power as Chancellor, the Deutsche Christen was instrumental in the formation of the German Evangelical Church, used by the Nazis to centralize Protestant Christianity in Germany under a state-sponsored aegis. Openly anti-Semitic and supportive of Nazi racial ideas, the German Christian movement flourished until the end of the war, after which it diminished considerably in numbers and influence. But its central themes of the Aryan Christ, the Jews as sons of Satan, and the race-consciousness and ethnophobic platforms would find themselves renewed in the Christian Identity movement and its fellow-travelers: in the Aryan Nations; the Order; The Covenant, Sword, and Arm of the Lord; and many others.

Levenda's thesis goes beyond Redles's claim of a decades long cultural vector that informed Hitler and others, but that, like the thesis of the Hunting Hitler TV series, the legacy lived on, via planned global tentacles - including inside the USA. Levenda discusses that the same general influences that constructed the German Nazi movement was also informing numerous white nationalist and supremacy groups here. And with this, we can begin to see the possibilities regarding my speculations on what such as Donald Trump's father was doing in the KKK.

Levenda also goes on to assert that the main impetus for what we popularly call Islamic radical terrorism came from the global diaspora of Nazi fleeing Germany via the help of the Catholic Church's infamous Ratlines. As such I will provide excerpts from all this as I go.

Also appearing to bolster my developing uberthesis of the Trump tableau, Levenda discusses connections to White Russians who emigrated to the USA, and whose overlapping interests with such as Nazis was/is the defeat of interests in social leveling, usually distilled into the extreme rubric of such as Communism.

Separately, we can also apply a new lens to the evolving issues of 'class war', in which we have have distilled all such variants over time as being essentially one key dialectic. Namely the various social elites, genetic based or not (and their minions), versus everyone else. This helps frame 'modern' fascism into its proper alignment, where, for example, Hitler et al's co-optation of the term 'socialist' via National Socialism actually disguises that it was Hitler's takeover of the NSDAP worker's party where he then did the bidding of the German industrialists, not so much the German workers. And, as Redles also explained, the Nazi 'socialism' was made into more of a spiritual construct that helped fuel the millennial apocalyptic 'complex' of prerequisites.

Prior to the Industrial Age (ignoring Mercantilism here) Western economies were driven by feudal agrarian practices, and therefore the later industrialists later serve as effective shields and/or proxies for the respective landed aristocracies. The aristocracies whom the Church under the so-called ancien regime really served.

So, under this lens we can see a unifying thread as to why Nazi variants might align with 'Russians' despite the surface bias of German, at least, Nazis against Slavic Russians. In this case, I doubt that the Romanovs were consanguine with the Slavic people, no different than any other Euro-royals.

Finally, Levenda raises some interesting statements by American 'Nazis' from 1939 that seem chillingly predictive of 9/11/2001, as both to general time and place, which I will cover further on. Separate from Levenda, this forms yet another nexus with Trump, via statements he made in the aftermath of 9/11 and also about his engineer uncle and his possession of Tesla's document archive.
 
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Yikes, I've been distracted from my effort on Redles's book above, What's new?

My numerous serial distractions have brought me to re-open the late Acharya S's book, The Christ Conspiracy, for nuggets to mine. And so the following will be some excerpts regarding the true faith of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi movement's reification [sic - and yes, that's a word] of the traditional Christian (especially Roman Catholic) collective demonization of Jews. As I have mentioned on this thread, such a collective obsession on a 'demon' is one of the 4 prerequisites to taking a millennial cult movement, like the Nazis, to an apocalyptic spasm of violence. The demon was shouldered with responsibility for the German social depredations of both WWI and the following Wiemar Republic days, despite the role of such as Kaiser Wilhelm (KW) in launching this business, along with his shitty royal cousins in Austria-Hungary, Russia and England, to say the least. And as Peter Levenda has discussed, KW helped launch today's Islamic Jihad with the assistance of Max von Oppenheim and the then Ottoman sultan of Turkey.

The Christ Conspiracy, pp 2-3:

To deflect the horrible guilt off the shoulders of their own faith, religionists have pointed to supposedly secular ideologies such as Communism and Nazism as oppressors and murderers of the people. However, few realize or acknowledge that the originators of Communism were Jewish (Marx, Lenin, Hess, Trotsky)4 and that the most overtly violent leaders of both bloody movements were Roman Catholic (Hitler, Mussolini, Franco) or Eastern Orthodox Christian (Stalin), despotic and intolerant ideologies that breed fascistic dictators. In other words, these movements were not "atheistic," as religionists maintain. Indeed, Hitler proclaimed himself a "Christian" and fighter for "his Lord and Savior," using the famous temple scene with Jesus [the Jew - rs] driving out the "brood of vipers and adders" as a motivation for his evil deeds.5 Said Hitler:

It is of not matter whether or not the individual Jew is decent. He possesses certain characteristics given to him by nature, and he can never rid himself of those characteristics. The Jew is harmful to us ... My feeling as a Christian leads me to be a fighter for my Lord and Savior. It leads me to the man who, at one time lonely and with only a few followers, recognized the Jews for what they were, and called on men to fight against them ... As a Christian, I owe something to my own people.

Hitler is setting himself up as a type of Christ, or as we'll see sardonically below, a Holy Ghost - that does dirty laundry for his handlers, like Trump is doing today. The identification of a new savior is yet another apocalyptic prerequisite, and Redles provided plenty of proof that Nazis saw Hitler as just such.

Acharya S goes on to list more details of Hitler's deep ties to Catholisicm, including a quote to a General Gerhard Engel in 1941 about his Catholic faith;

I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.
https://www.azquotes.com/quote/575011

To help deflect blame from the Catholic and Lutheran (now absorbed back into Catholicism) Churches, the Nazis associated themselves with the pagan Volkisch Movement, which derived its parallel racism from the Romantic Movement, which is where the notion of "blood and soil" originates. We can thank the 'German' king of England, George II, for this 'Romantic' monstrosity coming out of his sponsorship of the creation of the University of Gottingen, circa 1734.

That Hitler was raised to a divine status of savior only makes the knowledge of the otherwise incoherent 1933 display of Jesus's seamless robe (ephod), the symbol of being the Jewish high priest and 'messiah', at the Trier Cathedral even more significant. Nazi flags were abundant in Catholic cathedrals across Germany to celebrate Hitlers ascension to power. While Hitler could not attend the ceremony, he sent Fritz von Papen in his stead, a leader of the Catholic Zentrum Party who helped engineer Hitler's election, and negotiate the Nazi Concordat with the Vatican. Papen would attend the next unveiling of the ephod in 1959, this time as an official chamberlain of the Vatican.

For context to the next Acharya S excerpt I mention James Carroll's book, Constantine's Sword (and where Carroll was in attendance at the 1959 revealing of the ephod) where Carroll details the consistent demonizing theology of the Catholic church towards the Jews, as a necessary evil and a living example to the faithful of such.

From pg. 3:

In reality, Hitler was only building on a long line of imputation against the Jews as "Christkillers," a charge used numerous times over the centuries whenever the Catholic church wanted to hold a pogrom against common Jews and seize their assets. The events of WWII, in fact, were the grisly culmination of a centuries-old policy, started by the Church and continued by Martin Luther, as was well known by Hitler. Indeed, Hitler was embraced as a Christian instrument, as Walker relates:

The rise of Hitler's Germany provides an interesting case in point, showing a nation swept by militaristic sentiment coupled with a sense of divine mission. The churches accepted Hitler's warmongering with religious joy. In April 1937, a Christian organization in the Rhineland passed a resolution that Hitler's word was the law of God and possessed "divine authority." Reichsminister for Church Affairs Hans Kerrl announced: "There has arisen a new authority as to what Christ and Christianity really are--that is Adolf Hitler. Adolf Hitler ... is the true Holy Ghost." And so the pious gave him their blessing, and the churches gave him God's.7

The Roman Church could further conveniently distance themselves from the Nazis by rejecting the Nazi proposal to create the so-called Positive Christianity, one where Christ is shorn of the Judaic gloss found throughout the entire New Testament. No doubt including where in the Book of Revelation 144,000 Hebrew Elect (including 12,000 of Judah) stand second around God (the 24 elders have the front row seats) and in front of all the ethon hoi polloi, i.e. the 'nations'.

Such is exactly why the Roman Catholic Church helped tens of thousands of Nazis escape Europe via its Ratlines. And, why Hitler was never excommunicated, while thousands of German Catholic 'Bolsheviks' were.
 

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Bolstering claims about the relationship of millennial Nazism with Christianity is The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity, 1919-1945 by Richard Steigmann-Gall (RSG), from which I shall quote liberally from below:

The struggle we are now waging today until victory or the bitter end is, in its deepest sense, a struggle between Christ and Marx. -- Joseph Goebbels
The above is the opening quote of the book and nicely sets the frame for the book. Christ and Marx become the dialectic figureheads that the Nazi movement focused on, taking their cues from the 'materialism' of the Jews that Christian theology, from its inception, defined Christianity from its Judaic foil, the "killers of Christ". With Marx, his atheist expression of socialism only added steroids to the contrast, with the German Protestants and Catholics just fresh out from under the Kaiser and into the 'liberal' chaos of the secular Weimar Republic.

RSG argues against the general notions prior that Nazism was a product of modernity, Volkisch paganism, and such as Nietsche's philosophy. These arguments served to insulate the Christian Churches and their culpability in at least enabling Nazism.

pg. 12
Rather, I suggest that, for many of its leaders, Nazism was not the result of a “Death of God” in secularized society, but rather a radicalized and singularly horrific attempt to preserve God against secularized society.

Instead Nazism was a reaction against modernity based upon the correlation of such as modernity with the profound chaos and suffering of the WWI and post-war period. For here "correlation is not causation". Instead, people might better have been asking what forces brought about the war in the first place, and here we can see that prior to the Nazi movement that nationalistic German exceptionalism was a strong factor, whipped up by the churches.

pg. 17
Liberation from materialism; Germany as God’s chosen nation; domestic betrayal of the nation and God; honor and sacrifice; a new fight for liberation – these were not indeterminate tropes readily available to all Germans across the political spectrum in Weimar. Rather, they represented the fixed ideological position of a variety of Christian in postwar Germany. Such views represented an increasingly dualistic thinking among those in Germany who were not just reacting to the material difficulties of postwar inflation and the redrawing of the nation’s borders, but who also believed that the country was on the verge of a moral abyss reflected in an inexplicable defeat and the specter of atheistic revolution. This dualism, this understanding of Germany’s predicament as a fight of good against evil, precluded a search for answers in the workings of pluralist Weimar democracy, which for many was regarded as illegitimate in the first instance. For them this was instead an all-or-nothing struggle. This same dualistic vision, enunciated within the same Christian parameters, was an ideological centerpiece for many in the new Nazi movement as well.

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pg. 15
OUR RELIGION IS CHRIST, OUR POLITICS FATHERLAND

If Germany before November 1918 had been a “Christian state,” afterward it looked to many people like a godless republic. For most of Germany’s Christians, and certainly for German Protestantism, it was a time of deep insecurity. The Summus Episcopus, secular guarantor of the Protestant Church’s prerogatives, had been overthrown. The churches’ constitutional rights, as well as the professional security of the German pastorate, were similarly thrown into question. The brief tenure of Adolf Hoffmann (a member of the future Communist Party and strong advocate of the separation of church and state) as Prussian Minister of Culture further strained relations between the churches and the Weimar “system.” However, the strains were not just institutional.5 Indeed, more important was a larger crisis of Germany’s Christian culture. For many Christians, Weimar’s very existence signaled a profound assault on God’s order. Christians of both confessions had stood at the forefront of nationalist agitation during World War I. The growing inclination among Protestant theologians in particular to view Germany as God’s favored nation, a theological trend that began in the latter half of the nineteenth century,6 culminated in 1914 in “war theology.”7 This theology was fostered by an ethical interpretation of Christianity, by which God worked providentially through history to liberate humanity from materialism in order to realize his moral kingdom on Earth. War theology reduced ethical activity to the nation, conceived as the means through which God revealed his will. The notion that God sanctioned the nation as one of his orders of creation was similarly a theological departure within mainstream Christianity that, although significantly radicalized by the longevity of the Great War, in fact predated it by many years.8 The result was that most Christian clergy condemned Germany’s adversaries in harsh moral terms, elevating the war into a type of crusade in which God had chosen Germany to punish his enemies.

A "type of crusade"? In Peter Levenda's book, The Hitler Legacy, we learn that the Kaiser, via his friend Max von Oppenheim, encouraged the Ottoman sultan and his religious authorities to launch an Islamic 'crusade', or jihad rather, against the colonial interests of the British and French within the Muslim world. Cynically, the German colonial lands were outside of the Muslim world. As Levenda goes on to discuss, post-WWII Nazis helped fan the flames of this global jihad into what still exists of it today.

Perhaps Hitler's best known ideological mentor was Dietrich Eckart, and here RSG discusses that Eckart's influence has been mischaracterized. Rather he states:

pg. 18
Lamenting the cultural and moral crevasse he believed his country had fallen into, Eckart suggests that Christ provided an important moral compass: “Christ stands never otherwise than erect, never otherwise than upright . . . eyes flashing in the midst of the creeping Jewish rabble . . . and the words fall like lashes of the whip: ‘Your father is the devil’ (John 8: 44).”20 Far from advocating a paganist or anti-Christian religion, Eckart held that, in Germany’s postwar tailspin, Christ was a leader to be emulated: “In Christ, the embodiment of all manliness, we find all that we need. And if we occasionally speak of Baldur, our words always contain some joy, some satisfaction, that our pagan ancestors were already so Christian as to have indications of Christ in this ideal figure.”21 The book, published posthumously, ended with an afterword by the publishers: Eckart’s death “prevented the completion of this highly significant work showing the Christian approach to the völkisch movement.”22


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pg. 19
On the First World War he wrote: “This war was a religious war, finally one sees that clearly. A war between light and darkness, truth and falsehood, Christ and Antichrist.”23 This religious dualism achieved apocalyptic dimensions: “The moment of truth has arrived: humanity once again has the choice between appearance and reality, between Germandom and Jewry, between the all and the nothing, between truth and falsehood.”24 Eckart believed in an ultimate confrontation between these forces: “When light comes to blows with darkness, no pacts are made! There is only struggle for life and death, until the destruction of one or the other. And that is why world war is the only apparent end.”25 In such passages, Eckart makes use of a Christian discourse – an apocalyptic opposition of good and evil – rather than delineating an explicit ideological program with a Christian content. Use of religious metaphors in political movements was certainly nothing new, nor in Weimar Germany was it limited to the Nazi movement. But Eckart goes further than this, demonstrating an underlying assumption that his struggle against the Jews was ontologically bound with the struggle for Christianity. The racial duality between Aryan and Semite overlapped with and was related to a religious duality between Christian and Jew.

These last excerpts then are fully consistent with David Redles's thesis regarding the Nazi Millennial Reich in terms of its apocalyptic nature, only that RSG is going even further in linking the movement to Christianity.

Here we should reflect upon the nature of the American fundamentalist and evangelical movement and its relationship to Trumpism. So far the forces of darkness are such as the globalist elites and MS-13, and well ... that George Soros is a Jew after all.
 
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Do you know whether it was just that year or not? (Wikipedia has the answer - see at bottom of post)

In any case, a quick search led to the following about a Swedish noble with Nazi connections getting the swastika on the planes of Finland's Air Force in 1918. Because the Finns were fighting to save the monarchies against the Bolsheviks at the time. This seems to fit in with my hypothesis that National 'Socialism' generally was just a monarchist front for advancing their various hidden agendas.

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Finland’s adoption of the swastika predates its association with National Socialism. Mecklin tells the tale of how in 1918, the Swedish count Eric von Rosen had a swastika painted on the wings of an aircraft which he donated to the Finnish White Army, which was then fighting against Soviet-backed Red Guards to establish an independent Finland – a battle which the Whites ultimately won.

The swastika became the official symbol of the Finnish Air Force, and remained so until Finland and the Soviet Union – which had just fought a successful war with the United States to eradicate Nazidom – signed a postwar armistice. As part of the new relationship it was understood that Finnish military aircraft would no longer carry the swastika.

But the swastika can still be found in the emblem of the FAF and at least one Finnish army unit today. And Teivo Teivainen, a professor at the University of Helsinki who often finds himself explaining the numerous swastikas on wartime monuments around the Finnish capital to baffled foreign students, argues that needs to change.

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He also points out that the swastika has been used as an ornament and magical symbol since ancient times, and that many Western countries used it as a symbol of good luck during the beginning of the 20th century. It was for that reason that von Rosen, who many consider the godfather of the Finnish Air Force, decided to paint the swastika on the plane he gave to the Finns.

(While von Rosen’s introduction of the swastika to Finland had no relation to National Socialism, van Rosen himself in later years did. In 1923, his sister married Hermann Göring, and he had ties to Swedish national socialist parties in the 1930s.) ...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/finland-used-the-swastika-before-the-nazis-why-do-they-still/ar-BBN9uT4
From Wikipedia:

In Russia before World War I the swastika was a favorite sign of the last Russian Empress Alexandra Feodorovna. She placed it where she could for happiness, including drawing it in pencil on the walls and windows in the Ipatiev House – place of execution of the royal family, and, without dating, on the wallpaper above the bed, where obviously slept the heir.[81] It was printed on some banknotes of the Russian Provisional Government (1917) and some sovznaks (1918–1922).[82] In 1919 it was approved as insignia for the Kalmyk formations,[83] and for a short period had a certain popularity amongst some artists, politics and army groups.[84] Also it was present on icons, vestments and clerical clothing[85] but in World War II it was removed, having become by association a symbol of the German occupation.[86]

In modern Russia some neo-Nazis[87][88] and neopagans argue that the Russian name of the swastika is Kołowrót (Russian: Коловрат, literally "spinning wheel"), but there are no ethnographic sources confirming this.[86][89] In vernacular speech the swastika was called differently; for example, "breeze" — as in Christianity, the swastika represents spiritual movement, descent of the Holy Spirit, and therefore the "wind" and "spirit" —,[86] or ognevtsi ("little flames"), "geese", "hares" (a towel with a swastika was called as towel with "hares"), "little horses".[85][86]

The neo-Nazi Russian National Unity group's branch in Estonia is officially registered under the name "Kołowrót" and published an extremist newspaper in 2001 under the same name.[87] A criminal investigation found the paper included an array of racial epithets. One Narva resident was sentenced to 1 year in jail for distribution of Kołowrót.[90] The Kolovrat has since been used by the Rusich Battalion, a Russian militant group known for its operation during the War in Donbass.[91]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
 
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