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The extent of the earth's surface has been known since Eratosthenes in approximately 240 BC. At a time when the extent of the Greco-Roman empire was limited to the Mediterranean coastal regions, the miserably small size of our planet didn't stop the authors of the Old and New Testaments from dreaming of world conquest. As the heirs of ancient Rome, the British and American empires have consistently sought to extend their influence to every corner of the planet, even while knowing that it's only a small blue dot compared to the size of the universe.
As discussed in this thread, the expansionist dreams of the elite are increasingly directed towards extraterrestrial goals. There is plenty of room, and plenty of material, to grow the human race at least another factor of 1,000 in the centuries to come, without ever leaving this solar system. The limits posed by Einsteinian relativity are at the furthest extents of the known visible universe, thought to be more than 45 billion light years away.
We have discussed the limits of communication speed, and the dangers associated with a lack of instantaneous emergency help. But, the human race filled the planet at a time when the state-of-the-art communication method was the pony express. When the first Asians walked across the land bridge to America, it was impossible to communicate any farther than by shouting. So if it takes 25 minutes to send a radio message from Mars to us here at home, that's luxuriously quick compared to the history of human communications on this planet.
As discussed in this thread, there are very good reasons why space colonization is not easy. There are enormous technical challenges to be overcome, and at a time when our existing civilization is coming apart at the seams.
And indeed, I have to agree with the concern that human aggression is leading to environmental collapse and likely extinction. And, this is happening too soon for any possible Mars expedition to make any difference.
But this seems truly ridiculous to me, to make Einstein the scapegoat for any failures in our space exploration and colonization efforts. Not to mention blaming him for "focusing the minds of leaders onto financial swindling" & etc., as if our rulers would suddenly achieve sainthood if only the limits posed by the finite speed of light could be removed. As if the possibility of rewards for their descendants in thousands of years to come, would keep them honest in the present day.
At least it's clear that the attack on Einstein has nothing to do with science, or with the actual facts. It has everything to do with Claude's perception that Einstein's findings are politically unacceptable.
But viewed as a whole package, this attack on Einstein seems so absurd and misguided that it's hard to believe there isn't a hidden agenda.
Bringing back the Fuhrerprinzep? Who is this new post-Einsteinian Fuhrer, Claude?? WTF is really going on here?
The extent of the earth's surface has been known since Eratosthenes in approximately 240 BC. At a time when the extent of the Greco-Roman empire was limited to the Mediterranean coastal regions, the miserably small size of our planet didn't stop the authors of the Old and New Testaments from dreaming of world conquest. As the heirs of ancient Rome, the British and American empires have consistently sought to extend their influence to every corner of the planet, even while knowing that it's only a small blue dot compared to the size of the universe.
As discussed in this thread, the expansionist dreams of the elite are increasingly directed towards extraterrestrial goals. There is plenty of room, and plenty of material, to grow the human race at least another factor of 1,000 in the centuries to come, without ever leaving this solar system. The limits posed by Einsteinian relativity are at the furthest extents of the known visible universe, thought to be more than 45 billion light years away.
We have discussed the limits of communication speed, and the dangers associated with a lack of instantaneous emergency help. But, the human race filled the planet at a time when the state-of-the-art communication method was the pony express. When the first Asians walked across the land bridge to America, it was impossible to communicate any farther than by shouting. So if it takes 25 minutes to send a radio message from Mars to us here at home, that's luxuriously quick compared to the history of human communications on this planet.
As discussed in this thread, there are very good reasons why space colonization is not easy. There are enormous technical challenges to be overcome, and at a time when our existing civilization is coming apart at the seams.
And indeed, I have to agree with the concern that human aggression is leading to environmental collapse and likely extinction. And, this is happening too soon for any possible Mars expedition to make any difference.
But this seems truly ridiculous to me, to make Einstein the scapegoat for any failures in our space exploration and colonization efforts. Not to mention blaming him for "focusing the minds of leaders onto financial swindling" & etc., as if our rulers would suddenly achieve sainthood if only the limits posed by the finite speed of light could be removed. As if the possibility of rewards for their descendants in thousands of years to come, would keep them honest in the present day.
At least it's clear that the attack on Einstein has nothing to do with science, or with the actual facts. It has everything to do with Claude's perception that Einstein's findings are politically unacceptable.
But viewed as a whole package, this attack on Einstein seems so absurd and misguided that it's hard to believe there isn't a hidden agenda.
Bringing back the Fuhrerprinzep? Who is this new post-Einsteinian Fuhrer, Claude?? WTF is really going on here?
