Elon Musk, Space Fraud?

Jerry Russell

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For example, if humanity is to survive we have to travel into outer space, rather than turning human aggression upon humanity itself - leading to environmental collapse and likely human extinction. It is here that Einstein shows his truly pivotal negative role. Claiming the universe to be finite he essentially renders space travel a futile temporary luxury if possible at all - instead, believing in his teaching focuses the minds of leaders onto financial swindling and control of other nations' assets since there is no wider horizon for human endeavor than the earth's surface, its geography made known essentially by the beginning of the 19th century.
The extent of the earth's surface has been known since Eratosthenes in approximately 240 BC. At a time when the extent of the Greco-Roman empire was limited to the Mediterranean coastal regions, the miserably small size of our planet didn't stop the authors of the Old and New Testaments from dreaming of world conquest. As the heirs of ancient Rome, the British and American empires have consistently sought to extend their influence to every corner of the planet, even while knowing that it's only a small blue dot compared to the size of the universe.

As discussed in this thread, the expansionist dreams of the elite are increasingly directed towards extraterrestrial goals. There is plenty of room, and plenty of material, to grow the human race at least another factor of 1,000 in the centuries to come, without ever leaving this solar system. The limits posed by Einsteinian relativity are at the furthest extents of the known visible universe, thought to be more than 45 billion light years away.

We have discussed the limits of communication speed, and the dangers associated with a lack of instantaneous emergency help. But, the human race filled the planet at a time when the state-of-the-art communication method was the pony express. When the first Asians walked across the land bridge to America, it was impossible to communicate any farther than by shouting. So if it takes 25 minutes to send a radio message from Mars to us here at home, that's luxuriously quick compared to the history of human communications on this planet.

As discussed in this thread, there are very good reasons why space colonization is not easy. There are enormous technical challenges to be overcome, and at a time when our existing civilization is coming apart at the seams.

And indeed, I have to agree with the concern that human aggression is leading to environmental collapse and likely extinction. And, this is happening too soon for any possible Mars expedition to make any difference.

But this seems truly ridiculous to me, to make Einstein the scapegoat for any failures in our space exploration and colonization efforts. Not to mention blaming him for "focusing the minds of leaders onto financial swindling" & etc., as if our rulers would suddenly achieve sainthood if only the limits posed by the finite speed of light could be removed. As if the possibility of rewards for their descendants in thousands of years to come, would keep them honest in the present day.

At least it's clear that the attack on Einstein has nothing to do with science, or with the actual facts. It has everything to do with Claude's perception that Einstein's findings are politically unacceptable.

But viewed as a whole package, this attack on Einstein seems so absurd and misguided that it's hard to believe there isn't a hidden agenda.

Bringing back the Fuhrerprinzep? Who is this new post-Einsteinian Fuhrer, Claude?? WTF is really going on here?
 

Richard Stanley

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Maybe Einstein (and some Protestants) went time traveling and put a bug in the ear of Isabella and Ferdinand, getting them to send crypto-Jew Ferdinand Colon to the West Indies for them to richly exploit, while kicking the Sephardic Jews out of Spain on the very same day. Which got the bigger headlines in the MSM of the day?
 

Jerry Russell

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Wait a minute. If Einstein had been there, he would have told Isabella and Ferdinand that there would be no use in sending a crypto-Jew or anyone else to the West Indies, on the grounds that the universe is finite and we're all destined to end in an entropy-maximized lukewarm soup anyhow. And he certainly would have discouraged them from kicking out Sephardic Jews.
 
The extent of the earth's surface has been known since Eratosthenes in approximately 240 BC.
This was a theoretical calculation of the Earth's size also based on the inference of a spherical Moon and Sun. Pharaoh Necho's support for the Phoenicians had already led them to circumnavigate Africa clockwise over a three year period (this in Herodotus). It seemed enormous and unbelievable then.
At a time when the extent of the Greco-Roman empire was limited to the Mediterranean coastal regions, the miserably small size of our planet didn't stop the authors of the Old and New Testaments from dreaming of world conquest. As the heirs of ancient Rome, the British and American empires have consistently sought to extend their influence to every corner of the planet, even while knowing that it's only a small blue dot compared to the size of the universe.
But this process is ending due to the lack of room for expansion - and the Russian and Chinese realization that they don't want to wind up like the native peoples of Australia or America. Better dead than in the red, i.e. in debt to Judaeo-Christianity!
As discussed in this thread, the expansionist dreams of the elite are increasingly directed towards extraterrestrial goals. There is plenty of room, and plenty of material, to grow the human race at least another factor of 1,000 in the centuries to come, without ever leaving this solar system.
There is no suitable atmosphere except on Earth. Apart from the Moon, Mars is barely habitable - the other planets unsuitable due to cold or heat. As someone who knows the threat of energy shortage and global warming, Jerry, you clearly don't mean to increase the Earth's population by 100 (including no room for USA natural environment with 33,000,000,000 US citizens) - plus another nine times that for the solar system - do you? :p

The expansionist dreams of present-day elites are but a joke due to the electromagnetic limitation of information transfer to speed c - prohibiting human journeys to Mars due to the 20 minute time delay for signals. Only by rejecting special relativity (SR) and thus setting up instant quantum communication (already achieved as the Richard Steenblik* US patent shows) can mankind get anywhere. Had these elites intended this expansion seriously they would already have woken up to and dumped SR.
The limits posed by Einsteinian relativity are at the furthest extents of the known visible universe, thought to be more than 45 billion light years away.
For Einsteinians these lightyears are meaningless in practice since they say that we cannot travel faster than light to get there. For Einsteinians the universe is finite however you look at it - space travel a futility. Meanwhile they dangle the nonsense of warp drive and time machines before the credulous masses. And so Judaeo-Christianity continues to rule unchallenged.
We have discussed the limits of communication speed, and the dangers associated with a lack of instantaneous emergency help. But, the human race filled the planet at a time when the state-of-the-art communication method was the pony express. When the first Asians walked across the land bridge to America, it was impossible to communicate any farther than by shouting. So if it takes 25 minutes to send a radio message from Mars to us here at home, that's luxuriously quick compared to the history of human communications on this planet.
The two situations are in no way comparable since the first colonizers of America and Australasia could live off the land and water. They used local resources - whereas a Mars expedition has to be supplied from home, just as the Lunar landings were!:rolleyes:
As discussed in this thread, there are very good reasons why space colonization is not easy. There are enormous technical challenges to be overcome, and at a time when our existing civilization is coming apart at the seams.
This, while very true, is beside the point. The point is that believing in Einstein's SR renders it impossible in practice due to the ideological blinkers - with the hopeless dream of time machines and warp drive used to manipulate the mob into vain hopes. (Though I feel little hope at Elon Musk, perhaps he might yet wake up to the Einstein fraud - as there is a new scientific journal, the GSJ, emerging to challenge the BS today)
And indeed, I have to agree with the concern that human aggression is leading to environmental collapse and likely extinction. And, this is happening too soon for any possible Mars expedition to make any difference.
Very true, but we also have to consider how to recover e.g. from major environmental and post-nuclear crisis - the first task being to expose, subjugate and/or exterminate the Judaeo-Christian elites who have gotten us into this mess!
But this seems truly ridiculous to me, to make Einstein the scapegoat for any failures in our space exploration and colonization efforts.
Absolutely NOT true - because Einstein is the all-acknowledged intellectual leader of this enterprise. And he is also at one with the philosopher-guru of the Frankfurt School - someone even Joe does not know of yet - Edmund Husserl, who, also Jewish and though older than Einstein, adopted the latter's spacetime terminology in his own works. Indeed Husserl's own Jewish student, Helena Joseph, married the non-Jewish Hermann Weyl, whose work ends "The Principle of Relativity" (of Lorentz, Einstein, Minkowski & Weyl) because of his drivelling article hinting at a Grand Unified Theory uniting "Gravitation and Electricity" and providing the justirication for the futile misdirection of modern physics in trying to unite Quantum Theory with General Relativity (GR).

But to get back to quoting Einstein's own words:
The theoretical scientist is compelled in an increasing degree to be guided by purely mathematical formal considerations in his search for a theory, because the physical experience of the experimenter cannot lead him up to the regions of highest abstraction. The predominantly inductive methods appropriate to the youth of science are giving place to tentative deduction. (“The Problem of Space, Ether and the Field in Physics” (1934) Einstein, Ideas & Opinions, Crown, NY 1954, p. 283).
Our Einstein age is one dominated by an ineffective senile science - that of empty theorizing leading to mere tentative deduction rather than practical science. Those who preach that sort of paralyzing nonsense need to be romper-stomped and extirpated once and for all if humanity is to survive.
Not to mention blaming him [Einstein] for "focusing the minds of leaders onto financial swindling" & etc.,
But this is exactly what his finite universe theory leads to - as believing in Einstein's BS ensures that there is no endeavor, no binding force to focus human minds then human bodies outwards into outer space.
as if our rulers would suddenly achieve sainthood if only the limits posed by the finite speed of light could be removed. As if the possibility of rewards for their descendants in thousands of years to come, would keep them honest in the present day.
This misrepresents the issue in the traditional Western 'democratic socialist' or egaliitarian-anachist direction - as if everyone could equally be saints if properly educated. Rather, the true leaders could direct the acquisitive and adventurous outward from Earth rather than joining the manipulative financial elites or their willing Epstein-&-Ghislane acolytes. It will thus keep them honest enough because of the bigger and endless task ahead, satisfying their need for greed while ensuring their control under an elective caste system.:)

At least it's clear that the attack on Einstein has nothing to do with science, or with the actual facts.
A stinking iniquitous lie on your part - and I have already explained how he does it, but you seem to be too obtuse or bigoted to understand it!
It has everything to do with Claude's perception that Einstein's findings are politically unacceptable.
Einstein's supposed science is sheer BS - because it leads to and accepts physical impossibilities (A>B and B>A when A and B are lengths and times - i.e. mutual TD&LC, a philosophy worthy of Bernie Madoff**) and was invented and promoted to keep the Judaeo-Christian elites in power. If you cannot see these facts after I pointed them out to on the relativity thread, then YOU too are one of the tools of the financial elite, conning the masses with the Antifa idiocy of the democratic socialist ideal.
But viewed as a whole package, this attack on Einstein seems so absurd and misguided that it's hard to believe there isn't a hidden agenda.
The hidden agenda is Einstein's. He wants people to accept that the universe is fundamentally harmonious and ordered - despite the obvious evidence to the contrary, this done to render the masses passive and befuddled. His arrogant words below were uttered on the very weekend of the Wall Street Crash in 1929 - so I wonder why he didn't treat the Nazis as mere robots as well...
I claim credit for nothing. Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for the insect as well as for the star. Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper (Clark, Einstein p. 422
...as they "danced to a mysterious tune intoned by the invisible piper", mere lumps of matter controlled by Spinozan pantheism which reduces space, time and matter to mere "stuff" and which exonerates anyone from anything they do since it is all predetermined! Hence the failure of modernity and of democratic socialism - and the elites' promotion of anarchism via Antifa and BLM designed to break up White populations into warring groups of Zio-protecting Evangelicals (generally anti-environment) and Aryan Rednecks (generally pro-environment)!

Hence wherever and whenever there is a power vacuum, as occurs when (not if) democracy doesn't work, its proponents break up arguing and fighting about everything, so the need for the Fuehrerprinzip arises again and ever again - the living refutation of democratic socialism and proof that fundamental disorder, contra Einstein, rules the universe, and this fundamental disorder will justify the Fuehrerprinzip (which is recognized as necessary to combat and control this disorder, in nature as well as in humanity) as the elective caste system, one not embodied in a single person but in an established procedure of rulership that is as yet only hinted at by present and past human political systems.
Bringing back the Fuhrerprinzep? Who is this new post-Einsteinian Fuhrer, Claude?? WTF is really going on here?
Answer: Your own obtuseness and, as you might now be coming to realize, (as seems to me, given your dancing to Einstein's tune) your emerging crypto-Judaeo-Christian affirmation. After all, those who believe Einstein are either fools or knaves with only uncertainty in between.:(

Yours faithfully
Claude

*While I cannot reveal to you how I know this, I do know that Richard Steenblik, whom I have not met, does not have an anti-Einstein approach as he was neither pro- nor anti-Einstein, but worked strictly through quantum theory and his knowledge of light.

**Yes, Einstein's philosophy of A>B and B>A is also the philosophy of Bernie Madoff! But do I really have to explain this in detail for readers here, even for former Ayn Rand groupieso_O, to understand what is meant?
 
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Richard Stanley

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Hence the failure of modernity and of democratic socialism - and the elites' promotion of anarchism via Antifa and BLM to break up White populations into warring groups of Evangelicals and Aryan Rednecks!
Create the Problem and Provide the Solution.

Repent Claude Badley, for your vaunted Fascism is coming to a globe near you. It is revealed in the final book of your JudeoChristians, where all the fascist nations of ethnons (like your beloved Russia) stand around singing praise to the one king of kings, your Fuehrerprinzip of prinzips.

I love it when someone rationally uses Modern Science to debunk Modernity and Rationalism.
 

Richard Stanley

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The extent of the earth's surface has been known since Eratosthenes in approximately 240 BC. At a time when the extent of the Greco-Roman empire was limited to the Mediterranean coastal regions, the miserably small size of our planet didn't stop the authors of the Old and New Testaments from dreaming of world conquest.
This was a theoretical calculation of the Earth's size also based on the inference of a spherical Moon and Sun. Pharaoh Necho's support for the Phoenicians had already led them to circumnavigate Africa clockwise over a three year period (this in Herodotus). It seemed enormous and unbelievable then.
Randall Carlson has demonstrated that one only needs two sticks driven into the ground to not only geometrically derive the circumference of the Earth, but the distance to the Sun and its diameter as well. And, one must explain, perhaps as another coincidence(?), how the Great Pyramid dimensions are such a 'neat' multiplication 'factor' in the Earth's circumference.
 

Jerry Russell

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Jerry, you clearly don't mean to increase the Earth's population by 100 (including no room for USA natural environment with 33,000,000,000 US citizens) - plus another nine times that for the solar system - do you?
No, the concept is to mine the asteroids and the moon, for materials to build space colonies that would be parked in geosynchronous orbit. This was originally proposed by Gerard K. O'Neill, and has now been enthusiastically adopted by Jeff Bezos. See my post in the Einstein thread, and also this video presentation from Bezos linked below.

Your reply in the Einstein thread was contemptuous dismissal, but this is a very serious proposal. Bezos thinks there could be 1 trillion people living in these colonies, which is only a factor of ~150 more than the existing population of earth. But while we're making up numbers, what's another order of magnitude? The point is, there's an enormous amount of space and material available.

The limits to population expansion in the solar system look a lot more tightly constrained, if you imagine that human life is only possible on planetary surfaces.


The two situations are in no way comparable since the first colonizers of America and Australasia could live off the land and water. They used local resources - whereas a Mars expedition has to be supplied from home, just as the Lunar landings were!
Even Elon Musk's mars expedition involves mining the Martian surface to make fuel for the journey home. The need to grow food on the Martian surface is also taken for granted. For the O'Neill / Bezos plan, the asteroids & the moon will be carved up and consumed entirely, to manufacture human habitat. Thus, very little material needs to be brought up from earth's gravity well.

Only by rejecting special relativity (SR) and thus setting up instant quantum communication (already achieved as the Richard Steenblik* US patent shows) can mankind get anywhere. Had these elites intended this expansion seriously they would already have woken up to and dumped SR.
We've discussed instantaneous quantum communication before. My position is (1) it hasn't actually been experimentally demonstrated yet, and (2) if it does work, it doesn't necessarily contradict Einstein, because success could imply that information has zero mass no matter what its speed.

At any rate, mere communication would not help at all when it comes to conveying human beings and their life support systems to faraway destinations.

What's your hurry? So what if it takes > 45 billion years to reach the other end of the universe? Meanwhile, perhaps the reason the elites don't dump SR is because it's scientifically the best theory we have.

Einstein's supposed science is sheer BS - because it leads to and accepts physical impossibilities (A>B and B>A when A and B are lengths and times - i.e. mutual TD&LC...
The length measurements depend on relative motion and frame of reference. But whether Einstein is right or wrong, this does nothing to remove the actually existing constraints on space colonization, which are technological challenges within a Newtonian frame, at velocities a tiny fraction of the speed of light.

...fundamental disorder, contra Einstein, rules the universe, and this fundamental disorder will justify the Fuehrerprinzip (which is recognized as necessary to combat and control this disorder, in nature as well as in humanity) as the elective caste system, one not embodied in a single person but in an established procedure of rulership that is as yet only hinted at by present and past human political systems.
"Elective caste system"? Are we getting to the point now?

If this procedure for establishing rulership is as yet only hinted at, then why do you insist on describing it with archaic Nazi German vocabulary?

Mainstream physics has largely rejected Einstein's deterministic views. But how does that justify fascism?
 
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