Domain of Man site by Charles N. Pope

[Jerry Russell]

For starters, I'm not sold on the 'hidden resort' concept without some idea of its location, origin, and staffing plan.

I'm not sold on it either. Even if true, it hardly matters, since the elites sent on this 'vacation' are never heard from again. They might as well be dead, as far as history is concerned. Richard likes the theory because it means that life as a VIP is not as hazardous as it seems.

The mainline conspiracy holds that Paul met his death in 1966 and was replaced by the talented imposter we know today.

Jeanna Dysart, writing at Quora, says the problem with this scenario is that Bill Shepherd, aka Billy Shears, was a moderately well-known studio musician in his own right who was active in the '60s and '70s, and he looked nothing like Paul McCartney.

Of course this can't rule out the possibility that there was some other Bill Shepherd or Billy Shears, or other Paul double, who was pressed into service. If indeed this conspiracy is real, it begs the question of who implemented it, and why? Which leads back to the same rabbit hole we were in already, wondering what powers & principalities were behind the Beatles phenomenon.

I'm drawn to the Billy Shears material for the same reason as Mary Vary Baker's. (Got a thread on that somewhere?)

Judyth Vary Baker? Not up until now, but I found some old email notes that I posted to our JFK assassination thread.

 

[Seeker]

the elites sent on this 'vacation' are never heard from again. They might as well be dead, as far as history is concerned.

According to Charles N. Pope on his "Domain of Man" site, they are heard from again historically, but under different identities. For example, as Richard noted from his reading of Pope's "Jesus Among the Julio-Claudians", Mark Antony, after his "suicide", became King Herod the Great.

 

[Richard Stanley]

That's right Seeker. Next they'll be saying that Trump / JFK Jr. 2020 is not a thing. How could it be a thing without the Hidden Resort?

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffnt&q=trump+jfk+jr+2020&atb=v1-1&ia=web

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I received an Urgent Telegram 30 minutes ago announcing that the outstanding discount membership offer for Hidden Resorts International to certain doubting individuals here ("whom knowm whom theym arem") has hereby been permanently revoked ... except for Yours Truly naturally. The telegram burst into flames 3 seconds after I finished reading it and then a strong gust of wind blew inside of my house to thoroughly disburse the ashes.

So ... refute that!!!

According to Charles N. Pope on his "Domain of Man" site, they are heard from again historically, but under different identities. For example, as Richard noted from his reading of Pope's "Jesus Among the Julio-Claudians", Mark Antony, after his "suicide", became King Herod the Great.

Oops!!! JFK Jr. is coming back as ... JFK Jr.

Never mind. (Hmmm, am I going to get another Urgent Telegram?)

 

[Jerry Russell]

as Richard noted from his reading of Pope's "Jesus Among the Julio-Claudians", Mark Antony, after his "suicide", became King Herod the Great.

I agree that Pope seems to be saying this, but I can't find anywhere in 'JATJC' where he explains the basis for believing it. On Page 37, Pope says:

In his first war with Parthians, Marc Antony defeated the Parthian forces of Orodes as well as the crown prince Pacorus, who had occupied Syria and Judea. In the process, Herod was established by Antony as King in Judea. In the following campaign, Antony led his mighty legions (to deliberate defeat) through Armenia into Media. As a result, the new king of Parthia named Phraates was firmly established and at the same time Antony claimed that he had become master of Parthia! Both outcomes were true, because Marc Antony was Phraates IV. ​

The narrative in this paragraph agrees more or less with the official story, as told by Glen Barnett in Mark Antony's Persian Campaign. Barnett agrees that Antony appointed Herod as the King of Judea after defeating Orodes and Pacorus. Before that, Herod had already been provincial governor of Galilee (from 47 BCE) and then a tetrarch (from 41 BCE) before becoming the sole king of Judea (from approx. 37 BCE). During that same time, Antony was Governor of Italy. He famously gave his funeral oration for Julius Caesar in Rome in 44 BCE, and then fought a civil war against Octavian. From 43 BCE he was stationed in Athens, and campaigned in Egypt where he met Cleopatra in 41. At that point, the Parthian campaign began, although Antony was shuttling back and forth to Rome.

Pope agrees that Antony was defeated in Media. So how could this be a basis for Antony to become master of Parthia?

During all this time, wouldn't it have been far below Antony's pay grade, to spend time masquerading as a humble provincial governor? It seems to me that the story makes it clear that Antony and Herod were two distinct individuals.

There is also the issue that Antony was Italian, and Herod was Nabataean, which is to say he was an Arab, of Semitic blood. The two ethnic groups are distinct enough to make it unlikely in my mind, that anybody would be fooled by an impersonation.

The official story is that Antony didn't die until 30 BC, seven years into Herod's rule in Judaea. How could Antony safely step into a "hidden resort" role as King Herod at that moment? How would anyone be fooled? And, where is the factual basis for believing that this actually happened?

Could somebody more familiar with Pope's work explain this to me?

So ... refute that!!!

LOL!! It is beyond refutation.

 

[Tyrone McCloskey]

I may have stated this elsewhere but my leading candidate for the Hidden Resort would be Santa Catarina on the south eastern shore of Brazil. German dominated, affluent and with decent weather. It's the German thing that sells it for me. I suspect there are a few plastic surgeons in the area.

 

[Seeker]

Alternate identities for who?

Sorry if that wasn't clear, I meant some of the alternate identities of the Stanleys that followed in my posting, according to the interpretation of Charles N. Pope.

Thomas Stanley was no mere Son of Man, but rather he was made King of Mann by step-son Henry VII

Actually, his great-grandfather John Stanley was made King of Mann by King Henry IV.

Part of the Welsh claims for Henry's legitimacy extend back to 'Brutus', apparently both the assassin of JC and his ancestor, the assassin of the last Tarquin king (also the alleged ancestor of JC).

Three different Romans named Brutus: (1) Brutus of Troy, legendary first King of Britain, (2) semi-legendary Brutus, who expelled (not killed) his uncle, the last Tarquin KIng of Rome,Tarquinius Superbus, and (3) historical Brutus, the assassin of JC, whose family claimed (2) Brutus as their ancestor.

And with all this business about adoptions, I'm not sure I want Seeker to find out whom my real genes came from.

"Listen, Oooooooooh, Do You Want to Know A Secret?". You must be JL, of course, Mr. Stanley, which is why you know so much about Stanleys and "Hidden Resorts", and you have been wandering in the wilderness for exactly 40 years, coming up on Dec. 8, which is the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.

 

[Seeker]

Could somebody more familiar with Pope's work explain this to me?

I can't claim to be more familiar, but from what I understand so far of Pope's "Domain of Man" site, anyone (the common people) could be fooled, the royal family was not (because they were all in on it). They used doubles and disguises, and the common people, for the most part, never actually got close enough to see their rulers, except when they were part of a crowd, perhaps seeing them on a balcony, on special occasions. Unless someone has a better answer here, I would suggest contacting Charles N. Pope himself for clarification. If one accepts the Ellis hypothesis that Jesus was King Arthur, at least Mark Antony and King Herod (plus Phraates IV) were contemporary with each other, because Mark Antony "established" them (.they were created for him as his alternate persona, to be played by his royal family stand-ins, when he wasn't actually there).
If one thinks that the above hypothesis is wild, please see this website by comparison: https://newsspellcom.org/2020/05/24/the-resurrection-of-a-chameleon-prince/

 

[Richard Stanley]

There is also the issue that Antony was Italian, and Herod was Nabataean, which is to say he was an Arab, of Semitic blood. The two ethnic groups are distinct enough to make it unlikely in my mind, that anybody would be fooled by an impersonation.

The official story is that Antony didn't die until 30 BC, seven years into Herod's rule in Judaea. How could Antony safely step into a "hidden resort" role as King Herod at that moment? How would anyone be fooled? And, where is the factual basis for believing that this actually happened?

Italians and 'Arabic' Nabataeans? The Itali were rather late 'Romans' and not Sabine. The Biblical 'Edomites', aka 'Esau' are reputed by the Bible to be ruddy, i.e. 'red'. We're discussing one red-headed, green-eyed elite clan, not multiple tribes of distinct ethnons. Sepehr has been making several videos showing many such elites, and we've seen that the Etruscans depicted themselves with flaxen, brunette, and red hair, with pale skin. Alexander's mother, at least was depicted with red hair.

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... anyone (the common people) could be fooled, the royal family was not (because they were all in on it). They used doubles and disguises, and the common people, for the most part, never actually got close enough to see their rulers, except when they were part of a crowd, perhaps seeing them on a balcony, on special occasions.

Yes, the best example of this are the stories of the ancient capital city of Ecbatana, with concentric rings of walls, and where it was described that no one but an 'inner circle' ever saw the king. There is even a famous Persian story about an imposter king because of this phenomenon.

Three different Romans named Brutus: (1) Brutus of Troy, legendary first King of Britain, (2) semi-legendary Brutus, who expelled (not killed) his uncle, the last Tarquin KIng of Rome,Tarquinius Superbus, and (3) historical Brutus, the assassin of JC, whose family claimed (2) Brutus as their ancestor.

Oh yes, I forgot that Trojan one.

Actually, his great-grandfather John Stanley was made King of Mann by King Henry IV.

That's news to me.

You must be JL, of course, Mr. Stanley, which is why you know so much about Stanleys and "Hidden Resorts", and you have been wandering in the wilderness for exactly 40 years, coming up on Dec. 8, which is the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.

JL?

Depending upon how one reckons such things 40 years, in the Wilderness, would have been about 2010, the year that I 'died'. I suppose Dec. 8 is possible, as a long gestation, but I always figured it was regarding some wild Christmas office party.

My knowledge about 'Stanleys' did not come from my immediate ancestors, but from rather rare incidental mentions in books focused on various historical matters and the Internet. As far as I knew the closest thing to family fame was some distant connection to Stanley Tools. Later, I found out from my uncle that my grandfather was good friends with Duke Kahanamoku, the Hawaiian surfing legend.

My notion of the "Hidden Resort" is a loose concept, but mostly developed over time inspired by the absurdities of more recent times, like Hitler, Saddam, etc.. The former who was seen all over South America, but most famously the isolated estate on Lake Bariloche. The realizations about Julius Caesar and then Napoleon's more overt stay at the resort crystallized the concept.

 

[Seeker]

That's news to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Mann The Stanleys got it from Henry IV because the defeated Henry Percy, 1st Earl of Northumberland, had that title before them.

JL?

I was jokingly referring to John Lennon, as his mother was a Stanley. If you had taken his place it would be 40 years since his passing on Dec. 8, 1980.

my grandfather was good friends with Duke Kahanamoku, the Hawaiian surfing legend.

Also a Scottish Rite Freemason and Shriner, of a prominent Hawaiian family descended from royalty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Kahanamoku