Dec. 7 Podcast: Extraterrestrials?

Richard Stanley

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Good show Jerry and Joe, there is much more that can be mined here, which all fits in with the overall theme here. For those that take the time to read the Horn link you gave there is a wealth of discussion on the relevance of the Sci-fi genre, theology, and references regarding Classical pagan sources. One has to read Horn with their Xian filter on as he appears to be a true believer, but that said he does an amazing job on these related topics in getting to the heart of the issues. As such, I believe that this is the real agenda, else there would not be so much effort placed behind this, that is, in gradually preparing peoples minds to accept this paradigm.

The opening quote from an Opus Dei priest shows that there is no schism between the Jesuits (whose astronomers run the telescope for the Vatican and NASA) and Opus Dei, at least on this matter.

Christians will not immediately need to renounce their faith in God “simply on the basis of the reception of [this] new, unexpected information of a religious character from extraterrestrial civilizations.” However, once the “religious content” originating from outside the earth “has been verified” they will have to conduct “a re-reading [of the Gospel] inclusive of the new data…” – Vatican Astronomer, Eminent Theologian and Full Professor of Fundamental Theology at the Pontificia Università della Santa Croce in Rome [Connected With Opus Dei], Father Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti​

From Part 11:

Preparing Religious People to Accept the Incarnation of Apollo/Osiris as a Newly Arrived “Alien” Serpent-Savior

Initially, when reading the material above in light of the coded book that Jesuit Guy Consolmagno pointed Tom Horn to, A Case of Conscience, one is tempted to puzzle why a novel written in 1958 furtively touched on (or was guided by a warning or mocking spirit to forecast) how some of Rome’s then-quiet Jesuit astronomers and theologians might later become the ones to argue in favor of what could become end-times deception involving the “fertility” of Satan as an “alien” serpent-savior from the prophesied seed (Apollo/Osiris/Antichrist) of the Evil One. Upon further contemplation, however, this is really not that astonishing. It was, after all, the Roman Catholic theologians who provided the “liveliest speculation” on the existence and nature of extraterrestrials four years after Blish’s book was printed, when the executive secretary of the American Rocket Society published conjectures on the subject.[vii] Since then, other Vatican authorities have further contended the extraterrestrials might actually express the glory of God better than we humans do, even leading mankind to venerate them as gods, a recurrent theme articulated among numerous Jesuit astronomers. Father Daniel C. Raible thought the eventual acceptance of aliens as objects of worship might naturally occur as a result of them having godlike qualities and preternatural gifts ascribed by humans to divinity:

For example, they might enjoy infused knowledge (they would literally be born with extensive knowledge and would find the acquisition of further knowledge easy and enjoyable); they might be blessed with harmony and concord in the working of their bodily and spiritual faculties; they might be spared the ultimate dissolution of death, passing to their reward at the end of their time of trial as peacefully as the sun sinks below the horizon at the end of the day. They might possess all these preternatural gifts or only some of them in any of various combinations that are limited only by the omnipotence and providence of God.[viii]

Father Domenico Grasso not only thought such beings would be “far ahead of us in science and related fields,”[ix] but that their version of salvation might be based on a savior other than Jesus…even a messianic member of their own race. These beings, closer to God than man (perhaps even unfallen), would possess superior theology that could “expand markedly” our terrestrial understanding of redemption and knowledge of God, something current Vatican theologians such as professor of fundamental theology at the Pontificia Università della Santa Croce in Rome [connected with Opus Dei], Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti, agree with. Another Church scholar, Father Thomas F. O’Meara, a theologian at the University of Notre Dame, imagined these godlike beings spread out across universes “on untold planets called to a special relationship with God” and that “it is a mistake to think that our understanding of ‘covenant,’ the ‘reign of God,’ ‘redemption,’ or ‘shared life’ exhausts the modes by which divine power shares something of its infinite life.”[x] Such Catholic leaders believe these spiritually superior aliens may even have been created by God with the future redemption of humanity in mind—beings who know their place in the eternal scheme of things to evangelize humans when the time is right.


Richard Stanley

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Also from Part 11, which I found of especial interest to me was the references to Classical sources, such as Virgil, the posthumusly honorary Christian. For me, this discussion ties into my 9/11 analysis, and the later actions of Pope Francis on his visit to the USA. On 9/11, Apollo (the Sun) gives a feast to Jupiter as Jupiter watches from between his sons, the Gemini Twins, as the action takes place on the ground in NYC.

In Egypt, where the parodies and rituals for raising Osiris to life through these magical constructs was perfected, Pharaoh served as the “fit extension” for the reborn god to take residence in as the “sex act” was ritualized at the temple of Amun-Ra. The all-seeing eye of Horus/Osiris/Apollo above the unfinished pyramid on the Great Seal forecasts the culmination of this event—that is, the actual return of Osiris—for the United States. This ancient occultism is troubling when harmonized with the two mottoes on the Great Seal—“annuit coeptis” and “novus ordo seclorum”—taken from ancient texts related to the god Apollo. The motto “annuit coeptis” is from Virgil’s Aeneid, in which Ascanius, the son of Aeneas from conquered Troy, prays to Apollo’s father, Jupiter [Zeus] whose thunder and lightning marked Vatican Square on the resignation of Pope Benedict. Charles Thompson, designer of the Great Seal’s final version, condensed line 625 of book IX of Virgil’s Aeneid, which reads, “Juppiter omnipotes, audacibus annue coeptis” [‘All-powerful Jupiter favors (the) daring undertakings’],” to “Annuit coeptis [‘He approves (our) undertakings’].” Was Thompson instructed to do this to conceal the true identity of the “he” of the Great Seal—the mythical father-god Jupiter, who gives Apollo life? The second and most indisputable authentication that the Great Seal’s symbols and mottoes are in fact a hidden prophesy concerning the return of Apollo is “novus ordo seclorum” (“a new order of the ages”), adapted by Charles Thomson in 1782 when designing the Great Seal. According to the official record, Thomson—a friend of the Masons and great supporter of Benjamin Franklin’s American Philosophical Society—created the phrase from inspiration he found in a prophetic line in Virgil’s Eclogue IV: “Magnus ab integro seclorum nascitur ordo” [Virgil’s Eclogue IV (line 5)], the interpretation of the original Latin being “and the majestic roll of circling centuries begins anew.” This same Cumaean Sibyl is even prominently featured alongside Old Testament prophets in Michelangelo’s paintings in the Sistine Chapel at the Vatican. Yet upon reading Virgil’s text, it is abundantly clear whom the prophetess of Apollo—directly tied to Washington and the Vatican—was talking about. The divine son, which comes of the Sibyl’s prophecy, is to be spawned of “a new breed of men sent down from heaven” when he receives “the life of gods, and see Heroes with gods commingling.” According to the prophecy, this is Apollo, son of Jupiter (Zeus), who returns to earth through mystical “life” given to him from the gods when the deity returns to reign over the earth in a new golden age.

From the beginning of the prophecy we read:

Now the last age by Cumae’s Sibyl sung Has come and gone, and the majestic roll Of circling centuries begins anew: Justice returns, returns old Saturn’s reign, With a new breed of men sent down from heaven. Only do thou, at the boy’s birth in whom The iron shall cease, the golden race arise, Befriend him, chaste Lucina; ‘tis thine own Apollo reigns.

He shall receive the life of gods, and see Heroes with gods commingling, and himself Be seen of them, and with his father’s worth Reign o’er a world…

Assume thy greatness, for the time draws nigh, Dear child of gods, great progeny of Jove [Jupiter/Zeus]! See how it totters—the world’s orbed might, Earth, and wide ocean, and the vault profound, All, see, enraptured of the coming time! [11]

According to Virgil and the Cumaean Sibyl, whose prophecy formed the novus ordo seclorum of the Great Seal of the United States, the new world order begins during a time of chaos when the earth and oceans are tottering—a time like today. This is when the “son” of promise arrives on earth—Apollo incarnate. His coming was augured by thunder and lightning just hours after Pope Benedict resigned, and now the Domes and Obelisks at the Vatican and Washington stand ready for the secret, metaphysical ritual to be performed to assure his arrival. We use the phrase “performed in secret” because what the vast majority of people throughout America and Rome do not know is that the “raising” ceremony of Apollo/Osiris is conducted inside the headquarters of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry in the House of the Temple by the Supreme Council 33rd Degree over Washington, DC following the election and inauguration of every American President (just as their Egyptian forefathers did at the temple of Amun-Ra in Karnak) in keeping with the tradition of installing within him the representative spirit of Osiris until such time as the god himself shall fulfill the Great Seal prophecy and return in flesh—in other words, now. The most recent Osiris-endowed US President, Obama, is headed for Israel to announce “peace, peace” at the very same time the College of Cardinals will be assembling in Rome for conclave to elect the prophesied final pope—Petrus Romanus.

Richard Stanley

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In trying to clean up some loose ends, I ran across the following, which puts Tom Horn's role in perspective, this as the Establishment's 'alien disclosure' spokesperson to the Christian polity, presumably the evangelicals. This IMO, is for preparing a critical mass of people for accepting what I have termed 'Space Jesus' for the new order being prepared.

These posts are a little long in the tooth, now, as when I started considering this subject, but I still think that this is what's generally happening. Ken seems to be of a similar mind to me in that the East/West divide is all for show, albeit I'm not sure what the status of BRICS is today. And today's pandemic appears likely to drive a shift to digital money everywhere muddying that issue further perhaps.

Guy Consolmagno is a Jesuit astronomer at the Vatican Observatory, which is headed by another Jesuit named Jose Gabriel Funes. Both portray aliens as good guys, with Consolmagno stating that he would baptize an alien and Funes stating “the extraterrestrial is my brother.” This raises the question: if the Jesuits (of all people) are pointing to the ETs and saying they’re good, is that how it really is? As I’ve written before, if aliens are real and they show up, it makes sense that the first ones we’ll see are the ones who have been here all along.
Interestingly, the “Vatican Preparing Statement on Extraterrestrial Life” post shares the Jesuit view…
>>>Not all will welcome a statement from Pope Francis advocating extraterrestrials as brothers and worthy of being baptized into the Christian faith. According to Chris Putnam and Tom Horn, authors of Exovaticana, Pope Francis I is preparing to lead the Catholic Church to embrace aliens as “brothers in Christ” – reflective of the 1950s and 1960s contactee reports of benevolent “space brothers.” Putnam’s and Horn’s Exovaticana portends a future religious war between those accepting extraterrestrials as “brothers in Christ” and those believing them to be returning demons about to enslave us. Despite the extensive scholarship found in Exovaticana, it unfortunately skews data towards an overly negative assessment of the motivations of extraterrestrial visitors. Thankfully, the Vatican’s evolving public position, as reflected by statements from its leading astronomers, shows a far more enlightened stance on how to consider the discovery of alien life from a theological perspective. A statement or “Urbi et Orbi” speech from Pope Francis expounding on various themes associated with the view that extraterrestrials are potential “brothers in Christ’ is a welcome position to take on a controversial issue with major world significance.<<<
As it turns out, the post appears to have been written by Michael Salla, the founder of, and it’s good that he brings up Tom Horn.
Tom Horn is the Establishment’s “David Wilcock figure” in the Christian community. Like his New Age compatriot, he wrote a big, “scholarly” book…

On another related post:

Being an Illuminati family, the Rockefellers were/are involved in all three aspects of the UFO phenomenon: the black budget part, the government coverup part, and the public disclosure part. In pitting disclosure-demanding citizens against secrecy-maintaining governments, the “elite” are creating a conflict that will find resolution when the New World Order and Disclosure are publicly unveiled. At that time, the US government, the Paperclip Nazis, the Zionists, and the West will be blamed for the secrecy while the BRICS and the East will be credited with revealing the truth. UFO Disclosure is just another aspect of the West is Bad / East is Good propaganda effort being used to usher in the NWO.
Don’t Forget the Vatican
Of course, the globalist-directed Disclosure Movement isn’t run solely by the Rockefellers; the Vatican is involved too. In an entry titled The Vatican is preparing to introduce the Anunnaki to us, I showed how the Jesuits are working to prepare the public for the announcement of extraterrestrial life, and their preparations extend beyond merely revealing the existence of microbes on Mars. Have a look at what non-Jesuit Monsignor Corrado Balducci told the Italian public about UFOs and ETs

…And here is another video where he talks about human-like extraterrestrials. ...