Coronavirus epidemic news

Richard Stanley

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Did anyone say Predictive Programming? The following 4 year old interview is now going viral. And as mentioned in the interview in the prior post, Gates is in the nexus in other ways. This is also the guy that has been putting the world's wild seeds in cold storage on Spitzbergen Island. This is different than sowing the wild seeds.


"We told y'all that this was going to happen (starting in a Chinese wet market). And at first, the smartypants in government listened to us, but then the new (fake) leader of the Orange People's Nationalist Restoration reversed course. And so, now, the only solution is ... a global solution". ("And, incidentally BTW, all leaders around the world who oppose us are narco-trafficantes or such. Thankfully, the leader of the OPNR agrees with us here." :p)
 
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Suchender

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By Jon Rappoport, March 26, 2020 :
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/26/corona-if-they-lied-then-why-wouldnt-they-lie-now/
"....Let me give you a gigantic example of this massive flu-case-counting deception. It involved a flu "epidemic" you might remember called Swine Flu.

In the late summer of 2009, the Swine Flu epidemic was hyped to the sky by the CDC. The Agency was calling for all Americans to take the Swine Flu vaccine.
At the time, star CBS investigative reporter, Sharyl Attkisson, was working on a Swine Flu story. She discovered that the CDC had secretly stopped counting US cases of the illness — while, of course, continuing to warn Americans about its unchecked spread.

Understand that the CDC's main job is counting cases and reporting the numbers....

Attkisson : We discovered through our FOI efforts that before the CDC mysteriously stopped counting Swine Flu cases, they had learned that almost none of the cases they had counted as Swine Flu was, in fact, Swine Flu or any sort of flu at all! The interest in the story from one [CBS] executive was very enthusiastic. He said it was "the most original story" he'd seen on the whole Swine Flu epidemic. But others pushed to stop it [after it was published on the CBS News website] and, in the end, no [CBS television news] broadcast wanted to touch it. We aired numerous stories pumping up the idea of an epidemic, but not the one that would shed original, new light on all the hype. It [Attkisson's article] was fair, accurate, legally approved and a heck of a story. With the CDC keeping the true Swine Flu stats secret, it meant that many in the public took and gave their children an experimental vaccine that may not have been necessary.

Because about three weeks after Attkisson's findings were published on the CBS News website, the CDC, obviously in a panic, decided to double down. If one lie is exposed, tell an even bigger one. A much bigger one.

Here, from a November 12, 2009, WebMD article is the CDC's response: "Shockingly, 14 million to 34 million U.S. residents — the CDC's best guess is 22 million — came down with H1N1 swine flu by Oct. 17 [2009]." ("22 million cases of Swine Flu in US," by Daniel J. DeNoon).

Are your eyeballs popping? They should be....."
 

Suchender

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"Despite the hysteria, the risk to Britons' health is tiny - but that news won't sell papers or drugs, or justify the WHO's budget
Wed 29 Apr 2009
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/apr/29/swine-flu-mexico-uk-media1
"... Two Britons are or were (not very) ill from flu. "This could really explode," intones a reporter for BBC News. "London warned: it's here," cries the Evening Standard. Fear is said to be spreading "like a Mexican wave". It "could affect" three-quarters of a million Britons. It "could cost" three trillion dollars....

Health scares are like terrorist ones. Someone somewhere has an interest in it. We depend on others with specialist knowledge to advise and warn us and assume they offer advice on a dispassionate basis....

The World Health Organisation, always eager to push itself into the spotlight, loves to talk of the world being "ready" for a flu pandemic, apparently on the grounds that none has occurred for some time. There is no obvious justification for this scaremongering. I suppose the world is "ready" for another atomic explosion or another 9/11.....

During the BSE scare of 1995-7, grown men with medical degrees predicted doom, terrifying ministers into mad politician disease. The scientists' hysteria, that BSE "has the potential to infect up to 10 million Britons", led to tens of thousands of cattle being fed into power stations and £5bn spent on farmers' compensation.....

This science-based insanity was repeated during the Sars outbreak of 2003, asserted by Dr Patrick Dixon, formerly of the London Business School, to have "a 25% chance of killing tens of millions". The press duly headlined a plague "worse than Aids". Not one Briton died....

Meanwhile a real pestilence, MRSA and C difficile, was taking hold in hospitals. It was suppressed by the medical profession because it appeared that they themselves might be to blame. These diseases have played a role in thousands of deaths in British hospitals - the former a reported 1,652 and the latter 8,324 in 2007 alone. Like deaths from alcoholism, we have come to regard hospital-induced infection as an accident of life, a hazard to which we have subconsciously adjusted...."
 

Richard Stanley

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Certainly there is mass hysteria, exemplified by the emptying of the shelves at the grocery stores. This is Basic Shepherding 101, aka 'stampeding'. And on a conceptual level using such as the mass media and some others to create the false impression of a very deadly pandemic on top of a more mundane, less deadly pandemic is conceivable. However, one must practically answer just how many hospitals and others are involved in exaggerating more than just the statistics, and this differential diagnostic issue of the 'ground glass voids" in lungs.

Would you agree that Trump would have to be involved in such a hoax? Or, is he really defending us from the hoaxers?

Health scares are like terrorist ones.
Is it possible that health scares could be terrorist ones, instead of organic ones?
 

Jerry Russell

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China closed entry to foreigners today .... in order to slow the spread of Covid-19. Guess they haven't reached herd immunity.
China wouldn't have reached herd immunity, because they weren't exposed to the virus starting in September.

The "miraculous disappearance" theory is based on the idea that the disease first appeared in the USA in September, but with the ancestral "Type S" strain, which allegedly has a far lower rate of fatalities and serious complications than the "Type L" strain that caused the outbreak in Wuhan. So by now, the theory goes, most Americans have been exposed to the less potent strain.

If this theory is correct, it would also require that the "Type L" epidemic now unfolding in New York and elsewhere, is not really multiplying at such a large exponential rate as it appears. What's really happening is that testing is growing at a high exponential rate, revealing an epidemic that isn't actually growing nearly so rapidly. And furthermore, many people infected with the "Type S" strain are in a state of panic, showing up at hospitals to be tested, even though their chance of dying is much smaller than they think.

How much weight to put on this theory? Well, there's still no evidence. So, I'd recommend to keep practicing social distancing, and top off prepper stockpiles whenever possible. I understand that others might choose to put their faith in Trump's prophecy, and hope for the best. But, not me!!

By Jon Rappoport, March 26, 2020 :
Rappoport's work is increasingly strident and out of touch. Sharyl Attkisson's reporting of the Swine Flu epidemic at the time is found here. But while Attkisson assumes that a negative test result would indicate that there was no flu, the official story is that many test results were negative because the subjects had stopped shedding virus by the time the test swab was taken. There was also an "RIDT" test in use that was notorious for false negatives.

So, most subjects came back from testing with no specific diagnosis at all. If the H1N1 flu strain ("Swine Flu") didn't cause all those illnesses in an exceptionally bad flu year, what did??

The CDC presumption is that most of those 700 million to 1.4 billion people who had the flu that year, had the H1N1 strain. To the extent that they were able to run reliable testing, they could see that an epidemic was in progress. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. At any rate, it's not necessarily "lying" to make that claim, even if the state testing labs weren't able to provide proof satisfactory to Rappoport and Attkisson.

Back in 2009-2010 I was hardly even aware of the swine flu pandemic. The level of media & public concern doesn't begin to compare. When it was initially discovered, I understand that there was a very brief period of media panic, because the swine flu was first diagnosed in a few cases that happened to be very severe. But it quickly became obvious that the case fatality rate really wasn't very high.
 
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Richard Stanley

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While the Great Pumpkin yet speaks with forked tongue, look what these vipers are telling their flocks (sorry about the mixed metaphors):

 

Jerry Russell

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How much weight to put on this theory? Well, there's still no evidence.
Authors of this Japanese paper have found some possibly relevant evidence about parts of the theory, based on studies of the effects of the virus as a function of the predominance of S type vs. L type.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.25.20043679v1.full.pdf

Epidemiological Tools that Predict Partial Herd Immunity to SARS Coronavirus 2
Yasuhiko Kamikubo, M.D., Ph.D. and Atsushi Takahashi, M.D., Ph.D.
These results prompted us to hypothesize that ... the infection by S type induced herd immunity that provides at least partial protection against spread of SARS-CoV-2. ...
Asymptomatic ratio of Japanese nationals evacuated from Wuhan, who are more likely to be infected by the L type, is 30.8% (95% confidence interval: 7.7-53.8%). In contrast, 51.4% (318/619) of RT-PCR confirmed cases among passengers in the cruise ship Diamond Princess, an outbreak traced to a Hong Kong passenger who is most likely to have S type virus, were asymptomatic. Although the subtypes of the virus remain to be clarified, the higher asymptomatic ratio among cruise ship passengers supports the view that infection by S type is more likely to be asymptomatic than that by L type and easier to avoid recognition by surveillance systems. ....
The paper reviews evidence from Japanese prefectures and European countries, arguing that the experience in those locations supports their hypothesis that infection with S type confers immunity to L type, resulting in lower overall serious cases and fatalities. Contrary to my "miraculous disappearance" hypothesis for the US, they are concerned that perhaps the US has not been exposed to type S, so its risk score should be considered high.

The authors conclude that serum antibody testing is urgently needed to determine the extent of herd immunity that has already been achieved in various populations due to silent epidemic of S-type coronavirus.

Unfortunately, some of the cited data and figures seem to be missing from the preprint.
 

Suchender

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https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/map.html
"Map of the weekly z-score for the total population in the data-providing EuroMOMO partners from week 1, 2010 up until today. Navigate the map by moving the cursor along the timeline."
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The whole of Western Europe experienced a huge spike in excess mortality.
It was especially bad in all the mediterranean countries.
The question is, if we didn't have a lockdown in 2017, and we didn't have a lockdown in 2018, and we didn't have a lockdown in 2019, then why do we have a lockdown now ?
 

Jerry Russell

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The question is, if we didn't have a lockdown in 2017, and we didn't have a lockdown in 2018, and we didn't have a lockdown in 2019, then why do we have a lockdown now ?
Gosh, Suchender, what could possibly be different now? If you've been paying any attention whatsoever to this thread, shouldn't you already know the answer to this question?

Following the link to your map, I find that the timeline for this data map ends in 2017. According to a paper by Vestergaard et al (2017), the excess mortality during winter 2016-2017 was apparently caused mostly by influenza, particularly the A(H3N2) strain. In other words, it was a bad year for seasonal flu.

Nobody expects a runaway pandemic caused by ordinary seasonal flu. These infections normally have a relatively low case fatality rate (0.1 percent), low rate of complications requiring hospitalization (approx. 1%), manageable degree of infectious propagation, and are self-limiting because large portions of the population have some residual immunity because of infection by earlier related flu strains. Influenza is also known self-limiting by seasonality. From the tables and graphs in the Vestergaard paper, it appears that the rates of excess death during winter 2016-2017 were in the range of 5 deaths per 100,000 population per week.

So far, the absolute number of deaths from covid-19 is relatively small, because the epidemic is still in its early stages. But, compared to seasonal influenza, the novel coronavirus is widely believed to have much higher case fatality rate, much higher rate of serious complications, much higher natural rate of infectious propagation, and no limiting factors that would prevent much of the globe from being infected all at once. It's easy to imagine that fatalities could be in the hundreds of millions, although "responsible" media organizations aren't indulging in such massive speculation.

Each and every one of these contentions about the covid-19 virus is debatable, and it's reasonable to ask if a lockdown is justified even if it's all true. But, naively asking what's different from an ordinary flu season is just ludicrous. The discussion has gone way past this point.

Sorry to come down on you, Suchender, but it feels like you are having a really slow adjustment reaction.
 
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Jerry Russell

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As we reported here last March 13: J. Gao, Z. Tian & X. Yang from Quingdao, China said that clinical trials of chloroquine were conducted in ten hospitals, and that “results from more than 100 patients have demonstrated that chloroquine phosphate is superior to the control treatment in inhibiting the exacerbation of pneumonia, improving lung imaging findings, promoting a virus- negative conversion, and shortening the disease course”.

Subsequently, the Chinese choloroquine treatment protocol was adopted in South Korea, where the epidemic was controlled with less than 1% fatality rate.

Didier Raoult is one of the most prestigious and prolific infectious disease specialists in the Western world. He promptly accepted the Chinese and South Korean results, and started treating patients with hydroxychloroquine, combined with azithromycin. He published two preliminary studies, including a recent one following 80 patients, showing outstanding results.

A running tally of patients treated with the Raoult protocol is maintained by IHU Mediterranee Infection Institute and AP-HM hospitals. As of this writing they have treated 1,524 patients, with only one fatality so far.

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko says that as of March 27, he has treated 669 covid-19 patients in his New York practice using a similar protocol, and out of those, there have been zero deaths, zero intubations, and two hospitalizations.

Dr. Raoult argues that with evidence as good as this, doing clinical trials that involve withholding treatment from a control population, is like doing experiments comparing the survival rate of skydivers with or without parachutes. It's no longer ethical to run double blinded, controlled studies.

However, a key part of the protocol is to treat as early as possible. If no treatment is given before the patient is hospitalized and on a ventilator, it might be too late.

So you would think that the US would be right on this. After all, even Trump himself is bullish on chloroquine.

But....

In the US, the Dept. of Health and Human Services accepted a donation of 30 million doses of hydroxychloroquine from Sandoz. The pills are being reserved for patients who are already hospitalized! With the increasingly desperate situation in cities like New York and New Orleans, hospital beds are in short supply, and those few patients able to get one of those beds are all critically ill and unlikely to benefit from the treatment.

While HHS is hoarding their millions of pills, doctors like Zelenko are begging their patients to return extra doses, because the pharmacies have run out. For that matter, patients who rely on chloroquine for long-standing conditions like lupus or arthritis can’t get their meds either.

And, what do you find in the mass media? For the most part, stories like this unmitigated bullshit that appeared in the LA Times today.

And all of this is happening as a sequel to the fiasco which allowed this disease to multiply unhindered in the US for six weeks while the CDC was struggling to come up with a working test kit, and refusing help from China or Germany. One almost might think that the Trump administration and the billionaire mass media want to kill as many Americans as possible.
 
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Richard Stanley

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One almost might think that the Trump administration and the billionaire mass media want to kill as many Americans as possible.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/sean-hannity-melts-down-over-kara-swishers-ny-times-column

As I've mentioned before, Faux News is getting a bit defensive about their role in hoax narrative, effectively encouraging dangerous social behaviors within the Trumpist base and wider population. I think the idea of a massive class action lawsuit against Faux, their shitting-heads, and complicit others is a great idea. But too bad the courts have been packed so well.

But as well, such motivations are cloudy, because Trump seems to stand to gain electorally by having the Blue cities be impacted so much, and so many otherwise anti-Trump youths were not taking care, either for themselves or their elders.

Most all of Trump's 'actions' seem designed more to aggrandize himself, like the silly order to make GM build ventilators. This design has not achieved scale production and requires parts from something like 14 nations.

As Martenson stated the other day, everything bad about Covid-19 was knowable, months earlier, with the price of one Internet broadband subscription, and Trump had the resources of the Deep State, and Bill Gates, telling him this was going to happen, generally and specifically.

With chloroquine, since its all about improving cellular zinc levels, I wonder if preparatory zinc loading is advisable. Most people are chronically low on zinc, as Claude Badley can confirm.

Also, it appears that blood type may make a difference, with Type A being more susceptible: https://www.sciencealert.com/paper-suggests-certain-blood-types-might-be-slightly-more-susceptible-to-covid-19

There also appears to be some discussion that being Rh- is helpful.

I watched a Vitamin D video in relation to immune system issues, and it reported that exposing mucous membrane tissues directly to Vitamin D3 has been observed to boost the immune response of those tissues. So I bought some liquid D3 (NOW brand, 1 drop is 100 IU) and tested it on my chronically infected tear duct, by using the product as an eye drop (the carrier liquid is MCT coconut oil). So, far I am pleased with the results, but this is not Covid-19 or another virus I'm dealing with. In any case, they say that the tear ducts are a significant portal of virus entry.
 

Richard Stanley

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Here are some possible challenges to my thesis aspects of targeting urban areas disproportionately and a bioweapon:


I think that maybe most of these Christo-Taliban churches, especially the larger ones, are well enough situated in 'urban areas', and thus this obvious desire to 'spread the evol' amongst the faithful helps provide cover.


Note that the last two pandemics, including this one, do not follow the pattern.
 

Suchender

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Note that the last two pandemics, including this one, do not follow the pattern.
https://worldcyclesinstitute.com/an-introduction-to-climate-cycles/
"......when you get major transitions between climate cycles (hot to cold, for example), history shows us that you get volatile periods of climate in between. We’re currently transitioning over about 25 years from a warm-wet climate environment to a cold-dry climate period. You’re going to get the same volatile climate you’d experience with smaller cycles, although larger in scale, or course. That’s what you’re seeing around the world now (and since about 1998) - climate extremes and volatility....

.....Cycles of varying lengths and power influence every aspect of our lives on Earth. Never forget that we’re only a very small rock in a huge solar system (the Sun is 400 times larger than our tiny planet). We’re influenced every day by forces well beyond the nine revolving planets we count as our solar community.....

There are longer cycles than seasons of the year. These longer climate cycles follow a similar pattern — spring, summer, fall, winter."
 

Richard Stanley

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The following graph is the daily increase in cases (confirmed) for the USA. It is a linear (steep compared to other countries) slope, and not exponential curve.

The claims are that hospital resource demand should peak at the middle of this month or later (depending on the state), but I don't see how this is remotely possible if one runs the numbers for herd immunity and there is not some heat wave in the next 10 days. The USA is currently at 291K cases and let's assume there are 100 times this number as actually being infected. That's ~30 million in a population of ~370 million. Supposedly it takes somewhere north of 70% exposure to achieve herd immunity.

Now there are supposedly 8 strains and reports have been running for some time of people getting hit twice.

From Johns Hopkins as of 4/4/20 2PM EST:
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Jerry Russell

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The following graph is the daily increase in cases (confirmed) for the USA. It is a linear (steep compared to other countries) slope, and not exponential curve.
A confounding factor is that the rate of testing has also been ramping up aggressively. In some areas (like New York) it seems that the ratio of positive to negative test results is also increasing, indicating that the number of cases is growing even faster than testing capabilities can keep up with. Here in Oregon, the ratio of positive to negative results is much lower, and is getting smaller over time.

The claims are that hospital resource demand should peak at the middle of this month or later (depending on the state), but I don't see how this is remotely possible if one runs the numbers for herd immunity and there is not some heat wave in the next 10 days.
Following the links from the above linked article, one finds the underlying academic study here. The basic approach is to assume the epidemic in the US will follow the same basic trajectory as the epidemic in Wuhan, China. From that starting point, they fit a parametric curve to the available US mortality data. Or in other words, they are assuming that the measures being taken to control the epidemic will be equally effective here as they were in China. Which is pretty crazy, considering that the US is failing miserably at identifying and quarantining the mild and asymptomatic cases, and considering that we haven't yet stopped inter-city travel.

The study is by Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation out of University of Washington, and is funded by Bill & Melinda Gates foundation. Which does not help to inspire confidence.

But having said that, it does seem possible that the steps that are actually being taken, could be sufficient to contain the epidemic before too much longer.

The USA is currently at 291K cases and let's assume there are 100 times this number as actually being infected.
The ratio of detected to undetected cases is very hotly debated among academics. There are preprints claiming anywhere from 3x to 1000x, and there hasn't been time for any of those preprints to get peer review. It would be nice if the number is in the range of 100x to 1000x, because that would mean the death rate is correspondingly far lower than earlier estimates. But, my hunch for whatever it's worth is that the factor in the US is now more likely in the range of 3x to 10x the number of PCR-tested positive cases.
 

Richard Stanley

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Richard Stanley

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The following article explains the death rate 'anomaly' that others such as Martenson have noted. It explains why having competent government is a good idea, which of course, the Trumpublican and libertarian Right claims is impossible. It's only impossible if there are dedicated provocateurs making it so.

They call them corona taxis: Medics outfitted in protective gear, driving around the empty streets of Heidelberg to check on patients who are at home, five or six days into being sick with the coronavirus.
They take a blood test, looking for signs that a patient is about to go into a steep decline. They might suggest hospitalization, even to a patient who has only mild symptoms; the chances of surviving that decline are vastly improved by being in a hospital when it begins.
“There is this tipping point at the end of the first week,” said Prof. Hans-Georg Kräusslich, the head of virology at University Hospital in Heidelberg, one of the country’s leading research hospitals. “If you are a person whose lungs might fail, that’s when you will start deteriorating.”
Heidelberg’s corona taxis are only one initiative in one city. But they illustrate a level of engagement and a commitment of public resources in fighting the epidemic that help explain one of the most intriguing puzzles of the pandemic: Why is Germany’s death rate so low?
The virus and the resulting disease, Covid-19, have hit Germany with force: According to Johns Hopkins University, the country had more than 90,000 laboratory-confirmed infections by Friday evening, more than any other country except the United States, Italy and Spain.
But with 1,275 deaths, Germany’s fatality rate stood at 1.3 percent, compared with 12 percent in Italy, around 10 percent in Spain, France and Britain, 4 percent in China and 2.5 percent in the United States. Even South Korea, a model of flattening the curve, has a higher fatality rate, 1.7 percent. ...

For more comments on this article see here: https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/just-saying-whos-trumping-der-fuhrer.1548/post-15373
 
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