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Jerry Russell

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Hi John,

I'd like to get a doctor in our neck of the woods to do the same experiment he describes regarding verification of any testing actually occurring in Santa Clara County in the Bay area.

I don't know where you are, but PCR testing capabilities are still inadequate to the task here in Oregon and throughout the USA.

But, the evidence that a pandemic is under way, is not just testing. It's the crush of patients on death's door, suddenly showing up in hospitals in outbreak areas. First in Wuhan, and now in North Italy and Iran, hospitals are suddenly filled to overflowing. It's a totally different pattern from seasonal flu. Doctors say that once the disease requires hospitalization, it can also be identified by a characteristic appearance on CT scan.

That is, unless you believe we're looking at a hoax of truly massive international proportions.

From Italy's National Biotechnical Association:

http://www.biotecnologi.org/is-coronavirus-just-like-a-flu/

The main issue is that for a large number of cases (up to 10%) there is the need for an Intensive Care Unit (ICU) hospitalization, also for young people, and the therapy requires up to 2-3 weeks before passing the critical phase. This requires a tremendous effort by the health system to guarantee adequate care to all in need, and for such a long time, draining resources also for those with other pathologies.
It is true that most of the deaths are elderly people, but only because the elderly often bear other chronic illnesses and do not tolerate invasive treatments well, but the hospitalization does not spare any age.
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Richard Stanley

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Thx John,

Maybe there is no HIV vaccine today yet because if there was one then somebody would have to explain what really causes AIDS?

Duesberg's problem is pretty much the same to me as the problem all these retired top scientists are saying today about AGW. There is another agenda behind the scenes, and a whole crapload of money to boot.

If so, Trump is in on the scam, as well as Fauci. Since that piece was written that you linked to Trump and Fauci et al. have reversed course, and the reported number of US cases has now gone exponential. And Fauci is saying, don't focus on how all this developed (like the test kit delays), focus on the future.

But, you are correct about this testing issue it seems to me. And what to make of these unique "ground glass voids" in the CT scans as a definitive diagnosis?

The controversy around Duesberg's claim then focused on what was really causing AIDS deaths among predominately gays and intravenous drug users. Perhaps some other agent targeted at these people, which then provided cover for a massive scientific spending program?

However, now the economic losses are now well in excess of the $8 billion granted so far by the government, so there has to be some agenda larger than this now.

Whatever the reality is, it is starting to look like this 'pseudo' adventure is truly going to be transformative in a meta way.
 
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John

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This was widely discussed at the time, in various alternative magazines available at a few locations, like the original Border's Book Store in Ann Arbor. It could have been pre-internet controlled-opposition, covering for something else. But if that were the case, then there is a 'something else'. It's interesting that Grant Genereux's "conspiracy-theory" about why TPTB started putting retinyl palmitate in our food supply circa 1973, includes a knee-jerk reaction vis-à-vis cancers caused by the SV-40 mistake in Polio vaccines. It's comical to note Vincent Iannelli re-tweeting Greta Thunberg over at https://vaxopedia.org/tag/sv40/ (wheels within wheels)

1978–1981: Is HIV-AIDS linked to CDC’s Hepatitis B Vaccine Experiment?
December 28, 2014

https://ahrp.org/1978-1981-hic-aids...-no-reported-cases-of-hiv-or-aids-in-america/

In 1978–1981, the CDC conducted a hepatitis B vaccine experiment on homosexual men living in New York City, San Francisco and Los Angeles. HIV/AIDS was first detected among the participants in the CDC hepatitis B vaccine trial and quickly spread throughout the gay community in those cities. A body of evidence, including a detailed statistical analysis of the documented time line of when HIV infection was detected in the men’s blood and reported to the CDC. Dissidents who have studied the available published data are convinced that this ill-conceived experiment precipitated the devastating AIDS epidemic in America’s homosexual community. The gay men in the experiment were injected with a vaccine that had been made using human hepatitis B infected blood which was injected into chimpanzees known to be infected with the cancer causing simian virus 40 (SV40); the virus that had contaminated the polio vaccine.

Before these CDC experiments there were no reported cases of HIV or AIDS in America. The AIDS epidemic was officially declared by CDC in 1981, at the conclusion of the experiment. Yet, in the NEJM published report (1980) researchers proclaimed the vaccine “safe and incidence of side effects low,” and claimed a 96% success rate. They failed to mention the emergence of a new disease affecting some of the subjects.

The men in the Manhattan experiment had the highest rate of HIV ever recorded for that time period: 20% were discovered to be HIV-positive in 1980, and over 40% in 1984. In addition, a re-examination of the stored blood samples from an AIDS trial in NYC by epidemiologists at the National Cancer Institute in 1999, found that one out of five gay men (20%) tested positive for the new KS herpes-8 virus (Kaposi’s Sarcoma virus in 1982.
Before 1978 no stored blood anywhere in the US tested positive for either HIV or the Kaposi’s Sarcoma virus (which was not identified until 1994).
An extraordinary PBS taped interview (1987) with medical historian Edward Shorter and Dr. Maurice Hilleman, Merck’s foremost vaccine developer acknowledged that the polio vaccine (manufactured by Merck) had been contaminated with SV40. He also indicated the likelihood that SV40 is the source of AIDS: “I didn’t know we were importing AIDS.” He nevertheless defended the contaminated vaccine stating: “it was good science at the time because that was what you did. You didn’t worry about these wild viruses…” The taped interview was never aired for fear of liability; but it was submitted to the Library of Congress and in 2011 was posted on YouTube.
 

John

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There is much to learn from those on-the-front-lines at the time as well, such as Dr. Kohnlein in Germany. It gives one a sense of how mistaken people can be; how difficult it is to recognize and admit it; and then make the turn away from prior ignorance. Some obviously choose the route of doubling down and cover-up. Medicine is no different in this respect than war. Vietnam is a good example of the principle. Medicine and war actually overlap quite a bit, as evidenced in the epidemiology work of Anthony Mawson, who has studied the correlation of Gulf War Syndrome and the vaccine-schedules of various armies involved.

 

Jerry Russell

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It gives one a sense of how mistaken people can be; how difficult it is to recognize and admit it; and then make the turn away from prior ignorance.

It seems to me that Dr. Duesberg is a case in point. Early on in the AIDS epidemic, there was plenty of grounds for skepticism about the connection between HIV and AIDS. The HIV virus was first identified as the cause of AIDS by Robert Gallo and colleagues in a 1984 paper. While many scientists worked within the paradigm that HIV caused AIDS, Duesberg staked his reputation on the position that HIV was just a "passenger virus".

But later on, as more and more evidence came in, the position lost all credibility. And yet, Duesberg persisted. And his stubborn refusal to turn from ignorance may have had enormous cost, for example in South Africa, where Duesberg was instrumental in convincing the government not to use HIV drugs.

https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...eage/71acad6bf37427417d8d0bc41b42d3fdee98fcae

Estimating the lost benefits of antiretroviral drug use in South Africa.
South Africa is one of the countries most severely affected by HIV/AIDS. At the peak of the epidemic, the government, going against consensus scientific opinion, argued that HIV was not the cause of AIDS and that antiretroviral (ARV) drugs were not useful for patients and declined to accept freely donated nevirapine and grants from the Global Fund. Using modeling, we compared the number of persons who received ARVs for treatment and prevention of mother-to-child HIV transmission between 2000 and 2005 with an alternative of what was reasonably feasible in the country during that period. More than 330,000 lives or approximately 2.2 million person-years were lost because a feasible and timely ARV treatment program was not implemented in South Africa. Thirty-five thousand babies were born with HIV resulting in 1.6 million person-years lost by not implementing a mother-to-child transmission prophylaxis program using nevirapine. The total lost benefits of ARVs are at least 3.8 million person-years for the period 2000-2005.

Note, however, that Duesberg agrees that the HIV virus does exist. His scientific career was founded on the study of retroviruses and cancer.

Maybe there is no HIV vaccine today yet because if there was one then somebody would have to explain what really causes AIDS?

But then again, maybe there is no HIV vaccine because of the extraordinary technical difficulties involved?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2572109/
Challenges in the Development of a Prophylactic HIV-1 Vaccine
  • Extensive viral clade and sequence diversity
  • Early establishment of latent viral reservoirs
  • Immune correlates of protection unclear
  • Viral evasion of humoral and cellular immune responses
  • Antibody responses typically type-specific
  • No method exists to elicit broadly reactive NAbs
  • Attenuated viruses unsafe for human use
  • Lack of a small animal model
  • Little pharmaceutical interest

1978–1981: Is HIV-AIDS linked to CDC’s Hepatitis B Vaccine Experiment?

....The men in the Manhattan experiment had the highest rate of HIV ever recorded for that time period: 20% were discovered to be HIV-positive in 1980, and over 40% in 1984....

Doesn't all of this imply that HIV is indeed the cause of AIDS, even if it was introduced into the human population by this vaccine experiment? Again, the basic paradigm of viral infectious disease is maintained, even while specific conclusions are challenged.

But, you are correct about this testing issue it seems to me. And what to make of these unique "ground glass voids" in the CT scans as a definitive diagnosis?

About false positives in the covid-19 test, I've been trying to track down the above-linked paper stating an 80% false positive rate, and I can't find it. Starting from the abstract page, the link to the (chinese) article is dead. And, the abstract doesn't explain how the authors distinguish a false positive from a true one. The study population seems to be limited to "asymptomatic" individuals. Perhaps they are judging by CT scan to determine whether asymptomatic individuals did, in fact, have the disease? But, perhaps a mild infection can trigger a positive PCR test result without being sufficiently severe to cause lung disease.

What to make of the "ground glass voids"? Doctors say these are characteristic signals of the covid-19 disease which is causing such havoc in hospitals in Wuhan, Iran and North Italy. What possible reason is there to doubt this -- other than generalized cynicism against everything?
 

Richard Stanley

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Doesn't all of this imply that HIV is indeed the cause of AIDS, even if it was introduced into the human population by this vaccine experiment? Again, the basic paradigm of viral infectious disease is maintained, even while specific conclusions are challenged.
The bigger problem for me is that we have the long history of venality behind such things as the Tuskeegee and Nazi experiments, the racial nightmares of the Belgian Congo, Rhodesia, and South Africa, and the Lost Cause of American slavery. As such, I have a low threshold in thinking that such things are done intentionally, even scripted in such as the Book of Revelation with such as the "vials".

BTW, I just bought a vial of 'Mercurochrome', aka benzalkonium chloride. They say it is very toxic, to not put this in your eyes, nose, or mouth. However, nasal decongestant sprays have it as a preservative. In any case, I have an 80 year old friend who says it knocks out new cold sores pronto.

Oops. My friend says that was supposed to be salts of ammonia, aka smelling salts.
 
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Jerry Russell

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The bigger problem for me is that we have the long history of venality behind such things as the Tuskeegee and Nazi experiments, the racial nightmares of the Belgian Congo, Rhodesia, and South Africa, and the Lost Cause of American slavery.

The fact that these nightmares exist, has absolutely nothing to do with the validity of virology as a science. The first clear statement of modern germ theory in the West seems to be the publication of Opera Medico-Physica by Marcus Antonius von Plenciz in 1760. American colonists wasted no time in their attempt to infect Native Americans with small pox infested blankets, in 1763. Historians debate whether the American experiment was successful, they say maybe the Indians would have gotten smallpox anyhow by catching it directly from the white man.
 

Richard Stanley

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The fact that these nightmares exist, has absolutely nothing to do with the validity of virology as a science.
The validity of virology as a science has nothing to do with whether certain humans are venal and/or want to garner a lot of money and power in doing so. Or even see themselves darkly performing such for the "greater good", however defined.
 

Jerry Russell

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The validity of virology as a science has nothing to do with whether certain humans are venal and/or want to garner a lot of money and power in doing so. Or even see themselves darkly performing such for the "greater good", however defined.

Exactly. The proposition that covid-19 disease is caused by a virus, and the proposition that it could be used by certain venal humans to garner a lot of money and power, are not mutually exclusive.
 

Jerry Russell

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Another possible coronavirus cure: breathing warm air from a sauna or hair dryer.

https://future-world.com/mcatalog/stop-covid-19-now/

Stop Covid-19 Now
This is Dr. Dan Lee Dimke. As this global event unfolds, it is important to recognize that SARS-Cov2 has an Achilles Heel – an exploitable vulnerability that is shared by most upper respiratory viruses and all other known coronaviruses. They are remarkably fragile. Though they can survive easily for weeks, or even months at temperatures near or below freezing, these viruses die, within just a few minutes when exposed to higher air temperatures.
This is the reason that the cold and flu season occurs only during the fall and winter months. Indeed, the current coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2 didn’t show up until after the daytime temperatures in Wuhan, China fell below 4° C. (39° F.) in December of 2019. Their aversion to heat forces these types of viruses to live and reproduce only within the coolest part of the body, usually inside the epithelial cells that line our inner nose and sinus cavities. Because the sinuses are located just behind the cheeks and nostrils, these nasal cavities are often nearly as cool as the outside air we breathe, during the colder months of the year.
But, when outside air temperatures rise, so do our sinus temperatures. Once it gets too warm in there for these viruses to reproduce, they quickly disappear. This is what happened in the Spring of 2003 during the SARS-CoV pandemic. Once daytime temperatures rose above 22° C. 72° F, the lethal outbreak suddenly ended – on its own – never to return – and, efforts to develop a vaccine were dropped.
Numerous laboratory studies have shown that most upper respiratory viruses, including 200 different rhinoviruses, picornaviruses, respiratory syncytial viruses, influenza viruses and coronaviruses quickly perish at mildly hot air temperatures. Several SARS coronavirus survival studies have concluded that it is easily killed in less than 15 minutes at 56° C. or 133° F.
Dimke goes on to predict that the coronavirus outbreak should fade away in the Northern Hemisphere in April or May. Seems very possible. I guess that would be 'like a miracle'.
 

Jerry Russell

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Another possible coronavirus cure: breathing warm air from a sauna or hair dryer.

Apparently I'm late to the party. This has already been circulating widely on social media, and "debunked" by Snopes, WHO and various local TV stations. But, Dr. Dimke has come back with a link to this rather informal clinical trial:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/07853899009148930

Regular Sauna Bathing and the Incidence of Common Colds
(Ernst, Pecho, Wirz & Saradeth 1990)
Twenty-five volunteers were submitted to sauna bathing, with 25 controls abstaining from this or comparable procedures. In both groups the frequency, duration and severity of common colds were recorded for six months. There were significantly fewer episodes of common cold in the sauna group. This was found particularly during the last three months of the study period when the incidence was roughly halved compared to controls.
Dimke's procedure with the hair drier should be more effective than routine sauna baths because it involves repeated high temperature exposures over a period of several hours, undertaken at the first onset of symptoms. I think everybody agrees that this procedure is going to be useless once the disease has progressed beyond the upper respiratory arena.

In other news, an online survey showed that 9% of Americans think they already have coronavirus. That would be 30 million people (that is, assuming that the survey was conducted with some procedure that would provide a random sample.) The official test results say that only 23,000 have tested positive as of today. It seems plausible that there could be ten times as many undiscovered cases as there are individuals with known positive test results. But even so, this survey shows that Americans are a bunch of hypochondriacs.

In happier days, of course, it would take at least a touch of hypochondria, to spend a lot of time inhaling hair dryer fumes in hopes of preventing getting a cold. Most people take colds in stride.
 
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Jerry Russell

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What to make of the "ground glass voids"? ... What possible reason is there to doubt this...?

This interview with a radiologist, Dr. Paras Lakhani, explains that the ground-glass patches are a fairly common finding for any type of pneumonia. With covid-19 cases, the damage might develop quicker, or extend further to the edges of the lungs. But according to Dr. Lakhani, "On its own... ground glass isn't particularly helpful for identifying a coronavirus", and "If you didn't know about this outbreak, you'd read the scan and you would just say, 'Okay, this patient has pneumonia' ...". The article concludes that CT scans are just one factor in a covid-19 diagnosis.

Or in other words -- if somebody wanted to argue that the CT scan is virtually useless in distinguishing covid-19 from any other pneumonia, there isn't much in this article to prove otherwise.
 

Richard Stanley

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This interview with David Icke is pretty interesting in how he ties things together (AGW, cashless society, Davos, Gates, Prince Charles, WHO, testing, ...), much of what we've discussed on this thread. No shape-shifting reptilians mentioned.

A friend of mine told me that her hair dresser will not take cash now, which Icke discusses. And which the Chinese have made a big deal of in their 5G-AI rollout.

This makes me feel that my scenario of Chinese collusion with America's Globalist Deep State (including Trump gaslighting his base) is generally correct.

 
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Richard Stanley

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This discusses the science of chloroquinine, which increases zinc cellular uptake, blocking virus replication.

Zinc pyrithione is the active ingredient in some antifungal shampoos, BTW.

 

Richard Stanley

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What about the Spanish Flu? What caused all those deaths? Aspirin overdoses?

At just before 12 minutes this guy discusses the timing of the then just released Bayer product, aspirin, with the outbreak of the Spanish flu, and the toxic doses being administered.

 
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Claude Badley

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You realize of course the intimate connection between male sexual desire and zinc.
This discusses the science of chloroquinine, which increases zinc cellular uptake, blocking virus replication.

Zinc pyrithione is the active ingredient in some antifungal shampoos, BTW.
Desire is proportional to zinc - and the food with the highest zinc level is oysters, and the oysters with the highest levels of zinc in the world are in Tasmania's Derwent River and come from the zinc works at Risdon up the estuary from the capital Hobart. Visitors come for the oysters, vomit, then order another plate the next night - they comprise 10% by weight of zinc and are a sort of tourist attraction now that the Australian $ is so low!!!!!:p

yours faithfully
Claude
 
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Claude Badley

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Dear Jerry, as a doctor myself, the ground-glass patches in a chest X-ray or CT scan of the chest...
This interview with a radiologist, Dr. Paras Lakhani, explains that the ground-glass patches are a fairly common finding for any type of pneumonia. With covid-19 cases, the damage might develop quicker, or extend further to the edges of the lungs. But according to Dr. Lakhani, "On its own... ground glass isn't particularly helpful for identifying a coronavirus", and "If you didn't know about this outbreak, you'd read the scan and you would just say, 'Okay, this patient has pneumonia' ...". The article concludes that CT scans are just one factor in a covid-19 diagnosis.

Or in other words -- if somebody wanted to argue that the CT scan is virtually useless in distinguishing covid-19 from any other pneumonia, there isn't much in this article to prove otherwise.
...are just a sign for edema or inflammation and don't provide a clue to the etiology. Ordinary bacterial pneumonias like Pneumococcus and Klebsiella cause lobar pneumonias, though antibiotics usually terminate the disease before this stage.

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

John

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We wouldn't want to leave Guy McPherson's speculations out of the mix, right? King of the World, indeed, wielding an atmospheric blow-dryer, moving from country to country, like some Don Quixote on steroids. He's coming out with a line of Tommy Bahama shirts that have Qualuudes sewn into the lining. Guess we just gotta buy-some-time to get our love-mojo right before the Sixth Ascension wafts our essence to other realms?

 
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John

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Contemplating Jerry's insightful critiques, I've looked for counter-point to the House of Numbers YT videos and found this hard-hitting one. The HoN guy appears to have made it too easy, so this could be inside-baseball, another "flame-war" constructed to daze-and-confuse. It's an interesting puzzle.

 

Richard Stanley

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You realize of course the intimate connection between male sexual desire and zinc.
More zinc means dandruff down and dander up?

The HoN guy appears to have made it too easy, so this could be inside-baseball, another "flame-war" constructed to daze-and-confuse. It's an interesting puzzle.
I just watched the first 23 minutes and this is what it strikes me as, a straw man argument.

I remember back in the day (mid-80's) all this was occurring simultaneously with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, which was first thought to be caused by the Epstein-Barre virus. I had CFS for 4 years, testing negative for EBV, and it began with a solid month of some unidentified viral sickness that kept me staring at the ceiling for a full month, with symptoms of meningitis. I did not recover until I had all my mercury amalgam fillings replaced with another material. I had this done in 4 tranches, each time seeing a near proportional difference it made.
 
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