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Jerry Russell

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With late treatment, or used alone, it's still likely to be somewhat effective, except when used in studies funded by major Western pharma companies.
C19study's affiliate website / white paper, hcqmeta.com, has actually run the numbers on a related statistic:

Figure 9 shows the results by region of the world, for all regions that have > 5 studies. Studies from North America are significantly more likely to report negative results than studies from the rest of the world combined, two-tailed z test -3.09, p = 0.002. [Berry] performed an independent analysis which also showed bias toward negative results for US-based research.


It's intriguing that Europe shows far less bias than North America in its scientific research. As far as I know, European mainstream press coverage is equally negative, and European doctors are generally just as unlikely to prescribe.
 

Ruby Gray

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Results: Patients received ivermectin reported substantial recovery of laboratory investigations; and significant reduction in RT-PCR conversion days. A substantial improvement and reduction in mortality rate in Ivermectin treated groups; group I (mild/moderate cases), (99%, and 0.0%, respectively) and group III (severe cases), (94%, and 2.0%, respectively) versus hydroxychloroquine plus standard care treated groups; group II (mild/moderate cases), (74% and 4%, respectively) and group IV (severe cases) (50% and 20%, respectively). Ivermectin had significantly reduced the incidence of infection in health care and household contacts up to 2% compared to 10% in non ivermectin group.
That's interesting Jerry.
I am mssing something apparently as far as using Ivermectin to treat Covid-19. It is what I use for internal parasites on livestock. How does it work in this application?
 

Jerry Russell

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Jerry Russell

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COVID-19 is merely a bad flu,
Spoken like the Nazi you are, asshole. Nice to see you back, it was getting boring around here without having you to beat up on.

Worldometer says that the worldwide fatality count from the coronavirus is approaching 1.4 million. Judging from excess mortality statistics, that may be an underestimate. Typical seasonal flu doesn't cause these huge mortality spikes.

A study of 100 "recovered" covid-19 patients found that 60% had ongoing myocardial inflammation 2 months later. As many as one in four cases wind up with "long covid" with debilitating symptoms described in this video as "getting run over by a truck and then being chloroformed". We have no idea what the long-term prospects are for these "long covid" cases, because few of them have recovered yet. The flu doesn't do this.


So it's only Nazis like you, Claude, who make the pretense that covid-19 is just another flu, so that everyone can get back to work making maximum profits for billionaires and autocrats.

...one has flown over the cuckoo's nest at Antifa - the mentally-deranged Soros-manipulated "core Left" of today!
At least we can agree about Antifa. Not that they're today's "core left" -- they're a fringe gathering of Stalinist wannabees, straight out of a Portlandia satire. Sadly, even complete idiots can burn down buildings and cause a lot of damage, especially when they're well funded.

But like almost everyone on the left, their urgent goal is to take advantage of the epidemic in their efforts to overthrow Capitalism, or at least win the next election. So they make the equally wicked decision to suppress all information about anything that might really work to mitigate the disaster without destroying the economy and wrecking civil society. Inexpensive remedies like HCQ, AZT, Ivermectin, chlorine dioxide, Quercetin, zinc and vitamin D get thrown under the bus along with high-tech solutions like convalescent plasma and Regeneron. They all want to wait for the vaccine that's still six months away, and might very well kill and/or debilitate even more millions of people. Even the usually excellent Trotskyite WSWS is playing this bandwagon to the hilt.

Because the cheap and easy remedies have been so devastatingly marginalized, we really have no idea how effective any of them might be in preventing long covid, though it seems intuitively reasonable that they are probably helpful. Until there's more evidence to go on, I'm still doing my personal best to avoid catching the coronavirus. I'd really rather prevent the need to test my supplies of Ivermectin horse paste and homemade CDS.
 
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Claude Badley

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Clearly Jerry, you haven't seen...
Spoken like the Nazi you are, asshole. Nice to see you back, it was getting boring around here without having you to beat up on.

Worldometer says that the worldwide fatality count from the coronavirus is approaching 1.4 million. Judging from excess mortality statistics, that may be an underestimate. Typical seasonal flu doesn't cause these huge mortality spikes.

A study of 100 "recovered" covid-19 patients found that 60% had ongoing myocardial inflammation 2 months later. As many as one in four cases wind up with "long covid" with debilitating symptoms described in this video as "getting run over by a truck and then being chloroformed". We have no idea what the long-term prospects are for these "long covid" cases, because few of them have recovered yet. The flu doesn't do this.
...the Plandemic video, showing how Fauci and Co. got on the patent bandwagon with COVID over 15 years ago.

Try:

Plandemic (plandemicvideo.com)

Yours faithfully
Ol' Goosestepper Claude
 

Jerry Russell

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We were discussing the Plandemic video back in May when it first came out. See posts #246 thru #269 in this thread.

If SARS-cov2 is a lab engineered product of enhancement-of-function research, possibly even planned & promoted by Fauci himself -- then why would anybody be surprised that it's more dangerous than a routine seasonal flu?
 

Claude Badley

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So why all the hyped-up BS videos from you trying to make out...
We were discussing the Plandemic video back in May when it first came out. See posts #246 thru #269 in this thread.

If SARS-cov2 is a lab engineered product of enhancement-of-function research, possibly even planned & promoted by Fauci himself -- then why would anybody be surprised that it's more dangerous than a routine seasonal flu?
...that COVID-19 is this terrible life-threatening condition requiring lockdowns???? Can't you see that it was concocted in a lab?* Instead you fill page after page with elite media hype about this virus, peddling the Gates's agenda even though you admitted you don't like him. :rolleyes:

Sure some will get long COVID symptoms but not 20% of the population. Myocardial inflammation is something inferred from cardiac function studies (since histological confirmation is invasive and risky). Such things are common after viral infection - which is why you feel so bad as your cells have to recover after being invaded by the viruses - but the immune system is really good at cleaning up this mess from viruses, as opposed to Gates's desired vaccine for an RNA-virus.

Destroying the education and work of young people to allow the elderly to live a few more months is counterproductive. Rather, especially as it is the Left (e.g. Biden) that wants all the lockdowns and masks, we see the truly reactionary and manipulative nature of the Left - and Einstein is an essential part of this Jewish-Protestant led corruption. The Far Left has essentially collapsed - at long last, even the Trotsky trash - but Antifa and the Democrats survive as the pretend Left, both Zionist run and interested only in enabling the Frankfurt School agenda of distract, debase and destroy!

I am now informed from an immunological scientist among our Perth anti-Vaxxers that no vaccine for an RNA virus has ever worked successfully. By pinning the masses onto false hopes for a successful anti-COVID vaccine, the lockdowns will become permanent as part of the emerging Leftist police state. What Lenin & Stalin couldn't do in the West, the Frankfurt School is now achieving, its intent, essentially genocidal, being to destroy people's reproductive capacity and hope for the future.

Vaccines are a disaster here. They stimulate a non-specific immune response with the anti-RNA antibodies, this giving rise to autoimmune diseases (which are on the increase, especially among children) - but the government in Australia is in cahoots with Big Pharma so the negative effects of vaccines are not investigated, as Judy Wilyman has shown in Australia. Worse still, with the use of anti-COVID vaccine, what will happen is that when a vaccinated person is reinfected, the immune response will go into overdrive, leading to hospitalization and death from an otherwise minor infection (this already happens with dengue fever). Because the COVID viruses mutate readily, when these vaccine-induced disasters occur, Gates & Co., the "medical authorities" will say that this is due not to the vaccine but to the mutated virus - "therefore we will need to make another vaccine" etc. In this way, Big Pharma-induced hysteria for yet more vaccines will become a circular reasoning and the source for THEIR profit, and ultimately our reproductive sterilization, debasement and death thru vaccines! Get the anti-mask-wearing message Jerry?:eek:

I can only put up with your pages of BS discussion since I know you are not a doctor or scientist in this area of research - but now that I see that you already knew of the Plandemic video, it has not merely revealed your ignorance of the deeper science involved, but, far worse, you resistance towards the revelations there, which I at present presume are due to your ignorance.

You might not know it Jerry, but I had wanted to be an immunologist - until in the mid-1980s I actually worked under three (all male) immunologists - their names, the spelling correct in every case, here disguised: Frank Enstein (a worm in human form), his Monster (the head of the department and a relative of a leading modern atheist, one of the three around Daniel Dennett) and Hollihogwarts (a Rhodes scholar). That they would more than readily sell out for profit (xcept perhaps Hollihogwarts) at the drop of a hat was more than obvious to me then.

As for Fauci, that Mafia pallbearer-turned-immunologist, this should have been obvious to you from the Plandemic video, rendering your subsequent indulgent discussion of mainstream propaganda counterproductive (though the Chloroquine, Zn-fingers, Quercetin etc. is good stuff).

Ask not for whom hell's Gates open in our Open Society (Popper, Soros), O open-minded one! They open for thee! :D

Yours faithfully
Claude

*Post #246 was of course by Richard. I wish I had noticed then; I miss his insights so much - and you do too, even more I guess! :(
 
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Jerry Russell

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Hello Claude,

I am feeling encouraged that you've made two posts in a row that haven't mentioned der fuhrerprinzep.

So why all the hyped-up BS videos from you trying to make out......that COVID-19 is this terrible life-threatening condition requiring lockdowns????
I don't know which "hyped-up BS videos" you're talking about. And, where do you get the idea that I support lockdowns? I support treatment with Vitamin D, HCQ, Ivermectin, zinc, and azithromycin.

Early in the epidemic, before we knew about all these treatments, I supported testing, contact tracing, selective quarantines and travel restrictions. Basic public health measures, in other words.

And I still think that anyone who wants to self-quarantine, should have the freedom to do so.

Instead you fill page after page with elite media hype about this virus, peddling the Gates's agenda even though you admitted you don't like him.
What site are you reading?? Where are all these pages and pages of billionaire propaganda?

Can't you see that it was concocted in a lab?*
Are you trying to say it was concocted in a lab to be completely harmless? I disagree. The best data says it's very contagious, it's fatal to a small percentage of elderly and those in poor health to begin with, and...

...Sure some will get long COVID symptoms but not 20% of the population.
I didn't say 20% of the population. But, the data we have is suggesting maybe 20% of the cases. That could translate to 5% of the population, if the epidemic runs its course and most people don't get any treatment.

Myocardial inflammation is something inferred from cardiac function studies (since histological confirmation is invasive and risky). Such things are common after viral infection - which is why you feel so bad as your cells have to recover after being invaded by the viruses - but the immune system is really good at cleaning up this mess from viruses...
True for most viruses, but not so much for HIV or hepatitis B. How can you feel so confident that long covid is completely safe?

Destroying the education and work of young people to allow the elderly to live a few more months is counterproductive.
Agreed. I support this conclusion even though I think the loss of life is much more than you're acknowledging here.

... it is the Left (e.g. Biden) that wants all the lockdowns and masks ...
Why are you conflating lockdowns and masks? People have been wearing masks since the beginning of history, for dust protection, modesty, or just for fun. There's nothing dangerous about it, and it might help. So what if it only helps a little bit?? The right-wing mask phobia is just nuts.

The Far Left has essentially collapsed - at long last, even the Trotsky trash
I am curious if you see this as a far-left site? I think of myself as an advocate for a well-regulated capitalist system, with serious antitrust enforcement and a Henry George-style tax on land and raw materials.

Antifa and the Democrats survive as the pretend Left, both Zionist run and interested only in enabling the Frankfurt School agenda of distract, debase and destroy!
Agreed that they are "pretend Left" and that their caricature of the Frankfurt School "agenda" causes distraction, debasement and destruction. But while pretending to be "Left" they are actually captives of the billionaires.

more later...
 

Jerry Russell

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I am now informed from an immunological scientist among our Perth anti-Vaxxers that no vaccine for an RNA virus has ever worked successfully.... Vaccines are a disaster here. They stimulate a non-specific immune response with the anti-RNA antibodies, this giving rise to autoimmune diseases (which are on the increase, especially among children) ... Worse still, with the use of anti-COVID vaccine, what will happen is that when a vaccinated person is reinfected, the immune response will go into overdrive, leading to hospitalization and death from an otherwise minor infection (this already happens with dengue fever). Because the COVID viruses mutate readily, when these vaccine-induced disasters occur, Gates & Co., the "medical authorities" will say that this is due not to the vaccine but to the mutated virus...
All excellent points. James Lyons-Weiler has been saying the same thing for some time: for example, here and here. And I stated my opinion in post #377: "Lemmings by the millions, yes. I'd rather take my chances with the virus."

- "therefore we will need to make another vaccine" etc. In this way, Big Pharma-induced hysteria for yet more vaccines will become a circular reasoning and the source for THEIR profit, and ultimately our reproductive sterilization, debasement and death thru vaccines!
It's even more wonderful than that. There's no need for them to actually plan for this. All that Big Pharma needs to do is cooperate with the hysteria, and manufacture and sell the untested vaccines by the millions. If it works, they make some money. If it doesn't work, they make even more!! This is so much better than intentionally poisoning vaccines with Rh+ factor. Plausible deniability is so important!!

I see that you already knew of the Plandemic video...
That video was a mixed bag. I agreed with the messages that the virus was lab-created, that the early HCQ+ protocol is effective, and draconian lockdowns unnecessary. But, the biographical info on Dr Mikovits was overblown (she's not "one of the most accomplished scientists of her generation", and her doctoral thesis didn't revolutionize the treatment of HIV/AIDS) and it's not true that wearing a mask causes "reactivated coronavirus expressions". The video also featured the Bakersfield doctors' press conference (Erickson & Masshi) which contained some spurious claims about the prevalence of coronavirus in California. All things considered, I don't feel comfortable pointing to Plandemic as a resource.

Ask not for whom hell's Gates open in our Open Society (Popper, Soros), O open-minded one! They open for thee!
And just as much for thee too, Claude... your goose steps and jackboots are not fooling anyone...

*Post #246 was of course by Richard. I wish I had noticed then; I miss his insights so much - and you do too, even more I guess!
Yes indeed, Richard was always full of fun. It can now be revealed... that the XenForo software has a "discourage user" option. The feature "aims to make using the site slow and painful for a problematic user, such that they eventually give up and leave." Unbeknownst to me, Richard had enabled this feature on your account, which is the reason you were experiencing irregular access, bounced emails and so forth. What a hilarious prank!! When I found out, I turned it off and scolded Richard, but he turned it right back on the next day. And that's why I demoted Richard from his administrator status.

Problems, problems... if only we had been nicer to poor Richard, perhaps he would still be with us? Think about THAT next time you're mean and nasty to me...
 

Claude Badley

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Well, this is an improved clarification on your part. So I ignore the generally uncontroversial points
Hello Claude, ****
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What site are you reading?? Where are all these pages and pages of billionaire propaganda?
It's everywhere - the Gates are open everywhere and the garbage pours out unabated - but yes, I too was taken in by the first story out of China with the young doctor dying.
Are you trying to say it was concocted in a lab to be completely harmless? I disagree. The best data says it's very contagious, it's fatal to a small percentage of elderly and those in poor health to begin with, and...
It is indeed extremely contagious, since CORONAviruses have been around in human evolution probably back before chimp common ancestor times - but it needed a lab boost to make it more severe, but not severe enough to kill everybody lest the ex-Mafia-pallbearer himself have to take up his original calling once more - or just wind up in a box too! :D

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Why are you conflating lockdowns and masks? People have been wearing masks since the beginning of history, for dust protection, modesty, or just for fun. There's nothing dangerous about it, and it might help. So what if it only helps a little bit?? The right-wing mask phobia is just nuts.
Face masks help prevent spread from an infected person to others - and are worn by the infected person ONLY. In a severe infection lockdown would be necessary, but not for COVID-19 which cross-reacts with other COVID viruses rendering positive tests on asymptomatic people worse than useless. There is an elite-encouraged testing mania which is causing the hype and repeated lockdowns. How many years is this to go on?

[... off-topic digression moved...]

Yours faithfully
Claude very Badley
 
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Jerry Russell

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Continuing the discussion about coronavirus....

[Billionaire propaganda] It's everywhere....
I still don't see what you're talking about. To the extent we've ever reposted anything from the MSM, it's been for the purpose of ridiculing it. The thread has often featured links to independent critics like Chris Martenson, TYT, Kim Iverson, Medcram, Ice Age Farmer, and JC on a bike. They, in turn, give critical analysis of scientific journal articles as well as MSM reporting.

The problem is, that you don't like the conclusion that all these sources consistently reach: that covid-19 is a dangerous epidemic that causes real fatalities and disabling organ damage.

To find support for your view that covid-19 is just another seasonal flu, you have to go to Fox News, or Team Trump press conferences. Or to a few "alt media" websites like Off-Guardian, that have sadly jumped on the denialist bandwagon. We've addressed this line of thinking from the beginning, always been alert to evidence that it might be correct, but always found the arguments to be delusional and easily dismissed.

...it needed a lab boost to make it more severe, but not severe enough to kill everybody...
Exactly. Fatality rate around 1% (or perhaps a little less) seems to be plenty serious enough to create mass terror. And why shouldn't it? Would you hop in your car for a ride if there was a 1% chance of fatal crash, and 20% chance of getting maimed?

Face masks help prevent spread from an infected person to others...
There were early studies using data out of China, showing that a large percentage of transmission was caused by contact with pre-symptomatic individuals. Covid-19 cases are believed to be contagious for several days before they start showing symptoms. You've heard this story before, right Claude? Whether you believe it or not, you can't just sweep it under the rug like you just tried to.

The latest word on masks is that they don't necessarily stop the virus completely, but they do help to reduce the size of the "inoculum" or dose of virus that occurs during an incidental contact between a carrier and a susceptible person. There's a related concept in virology of an "LD50", the amount of virus in an injection that's necessary to kill a test animal. Smaller doses of virus cause mild or asymptomatic cases, while larger doses cause fatalities.

There's recent data on this from Carnegie-Mellon, see:

https://delphi.cmu.edu/blog/2020/10/12/new-and-improved-covid-symptom-survey-tracks-testing-and-mask-wearing/

https://gutsandgrowth.com/2020/10/23/latest-on-masks-rural-hospitals-closing/



Yes, the graph was created by Bezos's WaPo. So sue me.

There is an elite-encouraged testing mania which is causing the hype and repeated lockdowns.
Agreed. The conception of the RT-PCR test seems to be reasonable, but there are reports that it's being run to very high cycle counts of amplification. Real cases of covid-19 tend to reveal themselves at cycle counts of 20 or less, and Fauci and CDC have recently warned that cycle counts of 33 or more are basically just amplifying noise. But, there are reports that some labs now are using a cutoff cycle count as high as 40. To the extent that this is going on, the results of the latest wave of testing are completely bogus.

I am feeling encouraged that you've made two posts in a row that haven't mentioned der fuhrerprinzep.
I knew I should've kept quiet about this. It couldn't last. I've moved the political digression over to the dead horse thread.
 
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Jerry Russell

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Fauci and CDC have recently warned that cycle counts of 33 or more are basically just amplifying noise. But, there are reports that some labs now are using a cutoff cycle count as high as 40. To the extent that this is going on, the results of the latest wave of testing are completely bogus.
A blog from Australia by Ian Mackay disputes this. Based on his own lab experience, he says that PCR tests won't detect virus that doesn't exist, even at cycle counts of 55 are higher. And he says it's not a good idea to rely on the cycle count as a quantitative measure because of differences between labs and lab equipment. He admits that at high cycle counts, most of the detected viral particles are fragments that can no longer be cultured. But a positive result (even at high cycle count) is evidence of a recent infection, although the subject might no longer be actively infectious.

As further evidence, Mackay points to the current situation in Australia. They're still running ~40,000 tests a day, of which only 10 per day are positive, almost entirely among travelers from overseas. The rate of positive covid-19 tests among locals is somewhere less than 2 per 40,000, which represents an upper limit for the rate of false positives.

https://virologydownunder.com/the-false-positive-pcr-problem-is-not-a-problem/
 
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