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Jerry Russell

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With late treatment, or used alone, it's still likely to be somewhat effective, except when used in studies funded by major Western pharma companies.
C19study's affiliate website / white paper, hcqmeta.com, has actually run the numbers on a related statistic:

Figure 9 shows the results by region of the world, for all regions that have > 5 studies. Studies from North America are significantly more likely to report negative results than studies from the rest of the world combined, two-tailed z test -3.09, p = 0.002. [Berry] performed an independent analysis which also showed bias toward negative results for US-based research.


It's intriguing that Europe shows far less bias than North America in its scientific research. As far as I know, European mainstream press coverage is equally negative, and European doctors are generally just as unlikely to prescribe.
 

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Results: Patients received ivermectin reported substantial recovery of laboratory investigations; and significant reduction in RT-PCR conversion days. A substantial improvement and reduction in mortality rate in Ivermectin treated groups; group I (mild/moderate cases), (99%, and 0.0%, respectively) and group III (severe cases), (94%, and 2.0%, respectively) versus hydroxychloroquine plus standard care treated groups; group II (mild/moderate cases), (74% and 4%, respectively) and group IV (severe cases) (50% and 20%, respectively). Ivermectin had significantly reduced the incidence of infection in health care and household contacts up to 2% compared to 10% in non ivermectin group.
That's interesting Jerry.
I am mssing something apparently as far as using Ivermectin to treat Covid-19. It is what I use for internal parasites on livestock. How does it work in this application?
 

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COVID-19 is merely a bad flu,
Spoken like the Nazi you are, asshole. Nice to see you back, it was getting boring around here without having you to beat up on.

Worldometer says that the worldwide fatality count from the coronavirus is approaching 1.4 million. Judging from excess mortality statistics, that may be an underestimate. Typical seasonal flu doesn't cause these huge mortality spikes.

A study of 100 "recovered" covid-19 patients found that 60% had ongoing myocardial inflammation 2 months later. As many as one in four cases wind up with "long covid" with debilitating symptoms described in this video as "getting run over by a truck and then being chloroformed". We have no idea what the long-term prospects are for these "long covid" cases, because few of them have recovered yet. The flu doesn't do this.


So it's only Nazis like you, Claude, who make the pretense that covid-19 is just another flu, so that everyone can get back to work making maximum profits for billionaires and autocrats.

...one has flown over the cuckoo's nest at Antifa - the mentally-deranged Soros-manipulated "core Left" of today!
At least we can agree about Antifa. Not that they're today's "core left" -- they're a fringe gathering of Stalinist wannabees, straight out of a Portlandia satire. Sadly, even complete idiots can burn down buildings and cause a lot of damage, especially when they're well funded.

But like almost everyone on the left, their urgent goal is to take advantage of the epidemic in their efforts to overthrow Capitalism, or at least win the next election. So they make the equally wicked decision to suppress all information about anything that might really work to mitigate the disaster without destroying the economy and wrecking civil society. Inexpensive remedies like HCQ, AZT, Ivermectin, chlorine dioxide, Quercetin, zinc and vitamin D get thrown under the bus along with high-tech solutions like convalescent plasma and Regeneron. They all want to wait for the vaccine that's still six months away, and might very well kill and/or debilitate even more millions of people. Even the usually excellent Trotskyite WSWS is playing this bandwagon to the hilt.

Because the cheap and easy remedies have been so devastatingly marginalized, we really have no idea how effective any of them might be in preventing long covid, though it seems intuitively reasonable that they are probably helpful. Until there's more evidence to go on, I'm still doing my personal best to avoid catching the coronavirus. I'd really rather prevent the need to test my supplies of Ivermectin horse paste and homemade CDS.
 
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Claude Badley

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Clearly Jerry, you haven't seen...
Spoken like the Nazi you are, asshole. Nice to see you back, it was getting boring around here without having you to beat up on.

Worldometer says that the worldwide fatality count from the coronavirus is approaching 1.4 million. Judging from excess mortality statistics, that may be an underestimate. Typical seasonal flu doesn't cause these huge mortality spikes.

A study of 100 "recovered" covid-19 patients found that 60% had ongoing myocardial inflammation 2 months later. As many as one in four cases wind up with "long covid" with debilitating symptoms described in this video as "getting run over by a truck and then being chloroformed". We have no idea what the long-term prospects are for these "long covid" cases, because few of them have recovered yet. The flu doesn't do this.
...the Plandemic video, showing how Fauci and Co. got on the patent bandwagon with COVID over 15 years ago.

Try:

Plandemic (plandemicvideo.com)

Yours faithfully
Ol' Goosestepper Claude
 

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We were discussing the Plandemic video back in May when it first came out. See posts #246 thru #269 in this thread.

If SARS-cov2 is a lab engineered product of enhancement-of-function research, possibly even planned & promoted by Fauci himself -- then why would anybody be surprised that it's more dangerous than a routine seasonal flu?
 

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So why all the hyped-up BS videos from you trying to make out...
We were discussing the Plandemic video back in May when it first came out. See posts #246 thru #269 in this thread.

If SARS-cov2 is a lab engineered product of enhancement-of-function research, possibly even planned & promoted by Fauci himself -- then why would anybody be surprised that it's more dangerous than a routine seasonal flu?
...that COVID-19 is this terrible life-threatening condition requiring lockdowns???? Can't you see that it was concocted in a lab?* Instead you fill page after page with elite media hype about this virus, peddling the Gates's agenda even though you admitted you don't like him. :rolleyes:

Sure some will get long COVID symptoms but not 20% of the population. Myocardial inflammation is something inferred from cardiac function studies (since histological confirmation is invasive and risky). Such things are common after viral infection - which is why you feel so bad as your cells have to recover after being invaded by the viruses - but the immune system is really good at cleaning up this mess from viruses, as opposed to Gates's desired vaccine for an RNA-virus.

Destroying the education and work of young people to allow the elderly to live a few more months is counterproductive. Rather, especially as it is the Left (e.g. Biden) that wants all the lockdowns and masks, we see the truly reactionary and manipulative nature of the Left - and Einstein is an essential part of this Jewish-Protestant led corruption. The Far Left has essentially collapsed - at long last, even the Trotsky trash - but Antifa and the Democrats survive as the pretend Left, both Zionist run and interested only in enabling the Frankfurt School agenda of distract, debase and destroy!

I am now informed from an immunological scientist among our Perth anti-Vaxxers that no vaccine for an RNA virus has ever worked successfully. By pinning the masses onto false hopes for a successful anti-COVID vaccine, the lockdowns will become permanent as part of the emerging Leftist police state. What Lenin & Stalin couldn't do in the West, the Frankfurt School is now achieving, its intent, essentially genocidal, being to destroy people's reproductive capacity and hope for the future.

Vaccines are a disaster here. They stimulate a non-specific immune response with the anti-RNA antibodies, this giving rise to autoimmune diseases (which are on the increase, especially among children) - but the government in Australia is in cahoots with Big Pharma so the negative effects of vaccines are not investigated, as Judy Wilyman has shown in Australia. Worse still, with the use of anti-COVID vaccine, what will happen is that when a vaccinated person is reinfected, the immune response will go into overdrive, leading to hospitalization and death from an otherwise minor infection (this already happens with dengue fever). Because the COVID viruses mutate readily, when these vaccine-induced disasters occur, Gates & Co., the "medical authorities" will say that this is due not to the vaccine but to the mutated virus - "therefore we will need to make another vaccine" etc. In this way, Big Pharma-induced hysteria for yet more vaccines will become a circular reasoning and the source for THEIR profit, and ultimately our reproductive sterilization, debasement and death thru vaccines! Get the anti-mask-wearing message Jerry?:eek:

I can only put up with your pages of BS discussion since I know you are not a doctor or scientist in this area of research - but now that I see that you already knew of the Plandemic video, it has not merely revealed your ignorance of the deeper science involved, but, far worse, you resistance towards the revelations there, which I at present presume are due to your ignorance.

You might not know it Jerry, but I had wanted to be an immunologist - until in the mid-1980s I actually worked under three (all male) immunologists - their names, the spelling correct in every case, here disguised: Frank Enstein (a worm in human form), his Monster (the head of the department and a relative of a leading modern atheist, one of the three around Daniel Dennett) and Hollihogwarts (a Rhodes scholar). That they would more than readily sell out for profit (xcept perhaps Hollihogwarts) at the drop of a hat was more than obvious to me then.

As for Fauci, that Mafia pallbearer-turned-immunologist, this should have been obvious to you from the Plandemic video, rendering your subsequent indulgent discussion of mainstream propaganda counterproductive (though the Chloroquine, Zn-fingers, Quercetin etc. is good stuff).

Ask not for whom hell's Gates open in our Open Society (Popper, Soros), O open-minded one! They open for thee! :D

Yours faithfully
Claude

*Post #246 was of course by Richard. I wish I had noticed then; I miss his insights so much - and you do too, even more I guess! :(
 
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Jerry Russell

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Hello Claude,

I am feeling encouraged that you've made two posts in a row that haven't mentioned der fuhrerprinzep.

So why all the hyped-up BS videos from you trying to make out......that COVID-19 is this terrible life-threatening condition requiring lockdowns????
I don't know which "hyped-up BS videos" you're talking about. And, where do you get the idea that I support lockdowns? I support treatment with Vitamin D, HCQ, Ivermectin, zinc, and azithromycin.

Early in the epidemic, before we knew about all these treatments, I supported testing, contact tracing, selective quarantines and travel restrictions. Basic public health measures, in other words.

And I still think that anyone who wants to self-quarantine, should have the freedom to do so.

Instead you fill page after page with elite media hype about this virus, peddling the Gates's agenda even though you admitted you don't like him.
What site are you reading?? Where are all these pages and pages of billionaire propaganda?

Can't you see that it was concocted in a lab?*
Are you trying to say it was concocted in a lab to be completely harmless? I disagree. The best data says it's very contagious, it's fatal to a small percentage of elderly and those in poor health to begin with, and...

...Sure some will get long COVID symptoms but not 20% of the population.
I didn't say 20% of the population. But, the data we have is suggesting maybe 20% of the cases. That could translate to 5% of the population, if the epidemic runs its course and most people don't get any treatment.

Myocardial inflammation is something inferred from cardiac function studies (since histological confirmation is invasive and risky). Such things are common after viral infection - which is why you feel so bad as your cells have to recover after being invaded by the viruses - but the immune system is really good at cleaning up this mess from viruses...
True for most viruses, but not so much for HIV or hepatitis B. How can you feel so confident that long covid is completely safe?

Destroying the education and work of young people to allow the elderly to live a few more months is counterproductive.
Agreed. I support this conclusion even though I think the loss of life is much more than you're acknowledging here.

... it is the Left (e.g. Biden) that wants all the lockdowns and masks ...
Why are you conflating lockdowns and masks? People have been wearing masks since the beginning of history, for dust protection, modesty, or just for fun. There's nothing dangerous about it, and it might help. So what if it only helps a little bit?? The right-wing mask phobia is just nuts.

The Far Left has essentially collapsed - at long last, even the Trotsky trash
I am curious if you see this as a far-left site? I think of myself as an advocate for a well-regulated capitalist system, with serious antitrust enforcement and a Henry George-style tax on land and raw materials.

Antifa and the Democrats survive as the pretend Left, both Zionist run and interested only in enabling the Frankfurt School agenda of distract, debase and destroy!
Agreed that they are "pretend Left" and that their caricature of the Frankfurt School "agenda" causes distraction, debasement and destruction. But while pretending to be "Left" they are actually captives of the billionaires.

more later...
 

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I am now informed from an immunological scientist among our Perth anti-Vaxxers that no vaccine for an RNA virus has ever worked successfully.... Vaccines are a disaster here. They stimulate a non-specific immune response with the anti-RNA antibodies, this giving rise to autoimmune diseases (which are on the increase, especially among children) ... Worse still, with the use of anti-COVID vaccine, what will happen is that when a vaccinated person is reinfected, the immune response will go into overdrive, leading to hospitalization and death from an otherwise minor infection (this already happens with dengue fever). Because the COVID viruses mutate readily, when these vaccine-induced disasters occur, Gates & Co., the "medical authorities" will say that this is due not to the vaccine but to the mutated virus...
All excellent points. James Lyons-Weiler has been saying the same thing for some time: for example, here and here. And I stated my opinion in post #377: "Lemmings by the millions, yes. I'd rather take my chances with the virus."

- "therefore we will need to make another vaccine" etc. In this way, Big Pharma-induced hysteria for yet more vaccines will become a circular reasoning and the source for THEIR profit, and ultimately our reproductive sterilization, debasement and death thru vaccines!
It's even more wonderful than that. There's no need for them to actually plan for this. All that Big Pharma needs to do is cooperate with the hysteria, and manufacture and sell the untested vaccines by the millions. If it works, they make some money. If it doesn't work, they make even more!! This is so much better than intentionally poisoning vaccines with Rh+ factor. Plausible deniability is so important!!

I see that you already knew of the Plandemic video...
That video was a mixed bag. I agreed with the messages that the virus was lab-created, that the early HCQ+ protocol is effective, and draconian lockdowns unnecessary. But, the biographical info on Dr Mikovits was overblown (she's not "one of the most accomplished scientists of her generation", and her doctoral thesis didn't revolutionize the treatment of HIV/AIDS) and it's not true that wearing a mask causes "reactivated coronavirus expressions". The video also featured the Bakersfield doctors' press conference (Erickson & Masshi) which contained some spurious claims about the prevalence of coronavirus in California. All things considered, I don't feel comfortable pointing to Plandemic as a resource.

Ask not for whom hell's Gates open in our Open Society (Popper, Soros), O open-minded one! They open for thee!
And just as much for thee too, Claude... your goose steps and jackboots are not fooling anyone...

*Post #246 was of course by Richard. I wish I had noticed then; I miss his insights so much - and you do too, even more I guess!
Yes indeed, Richard was always full of fun. It can now be revealed... that the XenForo software has a "discourage user" option. The feature "aims to make using the site slow and painful for a problematic user, such that they eventually give up and leave." Unbeknownst to me, Richard had enabled this feature on your account, which is the reason you were experiencing irregular access, bounced emails and so forth. What a hilarious prank!! When I found out, I turned it off and scolded Richard, but he turned it right back on the next day. And that's why I demoted Richard from his administrator status.

Problems, problems... if only we had been nicer to poor Richard, perhaps he would still be with us? Think about THAT next time you're mean and nasty to me...
 

Claude Badley

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Well, this is an improved clarification on your part. So I ignore the generally uncontroversial points
Hello Claude, ****
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What site are you reading?? Where are all these pages and pages of billionaire propaganda?
It's everywhere - the Gates are open everywhere and the garbage pours out unabated - but yes, I too was taken in by the first story out of China with the young doctor dying.
Are you trying to say it was concocted in a lab to be completely harmless? I disagree. The best data says it's very contagious, it's fatal to a small percentage of elderly and those in poor health to begin with, and...
It is indeed extremely contagious, since CORONAviruses have been around in human evolution probably back before chimp common ancestor times - but it needed a lab boost to make it more severe, but not severe enough to kill everybody lest the ex-Mafia-pallbearer himself have to take up his original calling once more - or just wind up in a box too! :D

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Why are you conflating lockdowns and masks? People have been wearing masks since the beginning of history, for dust protection, modesty, or just for fun. There's nothing dangerous about it, and it might help. So what if it only helps a little bit?? The right-wing mask phobia is just nuts.
Face masks help prevent spread from an infected person to others - and are worn by the infected person ONLY. In a severe infection lockdown would be necessary, but not for COVID-19 which cross-reacts with other COVID viruses rendering positive tests on asymptomatic people worse than useless. There is an elite-encouraged testing mania which is causing the hype and repeated lockdowns. How many years is this to go on?

[... off-topic digression moved...]

Yours faithfully
Claude very Badley
 
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Jerry Russell

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Continuing the discussion about coronavirus....

[Billionaire propaganda] It's everywhere....
I still don't see what you're talking about. To the extent we've ever reposted anything from the MSM, it's been for the purpose of ridiculing it. The thread has often featured links to independent critics like Chris Martenson, TYT, Kim Iverson, Medcram, Ice Age Farmer, and JC on a bike. They, in turn, give critical analysis of scientific journal articles as well as MSM reporting.

The problem is, that you don't like the conclusion that all these sources consistently reach: that covid-19 is a dangerous epidemic that causes real fatalities and disabling organ damage.

To find support for your view that covid-19 is just another seasonal flu, you have to go to Fox News, or Team Trump press conferences. Or to a few "alt media" websites like Off-Guardian, that have sadly jumped on the denialist bandwagon. We've addressed this line of thinking from the beginning, always been alert to evidence that it might be correct, but always found the arguments to be delusional and easily dismissed.

...it needed a lab boost to make it more severe, but not severe enough to kill everybody...
Exactly. Fatality rate around 1% (or perhaps a little less) seems to be plenty serious enough to create mass terror. And why shouldn't it? Would you hop in your car for a ride if there was a 1% chance of fatal crash, and 20% chance of getting maimed?

Face masks help prevent spread from an infected person to others...
There were early studies using data out of China, showing that a large percentage of transmission was caused by contact with pre-symptomatic individuals. Covid-19 cases are believed to be contagious for several days before they start showing symptoms. You've heard this story before, right Claude? Whether you believe it or not, you can't just sweep it under the rug like you just tried to.

The latest word on masks is that they don't necessarily stop the virus completely, but they do help to reduce the size of the "inoculum" or dose of virus that occurs during an incidental contact between a carrier and a susceptible person. There's a related concept in virology of an "LD50", the amount of virus in an injection that's necessary to kill a test animal. Smaller doses of virus cause mild or asymptomatic cases, while larger doses cause fatalities.

There's recent data on this from Carnegie-Mellon, see:

https://delphi.cmu.edu/blog/2020/10/12/new-and-improved-covid-symptom-survey-tracks-testing-and-mask-wearing/

https://gutsandgrowth.com/2020/10/23/latest-on-masks-rural-hospitals-closing/



Yes, the graph was created by Bezos's WaPo. So sue me.

There is an elite-encouraged testing mania which is causing the hype and repeated lockdowns.
Agreed. The conception of the RT-PCR test seems to be reasonable, but there are reports that it's being run to very high cycle counts of amplification. Real cases of covid-19 tend to reveal themselves at cycle counts of 20 or less, and Fauci and CDC have recently warned that cycle counts of 33 or more are basically just amplifying noise. But, there are reports that some labs now are using a cutoff cycle count as high as 40. To the extent that this is going on, the results of the latest wave of testing are completely bogus.

I am feeling encouraged that you've made two posts in a row that haven't mentioned der fuhrerprinzep.
I knew I should've kept quiet about this. It couldn't last. I've moved the political digression over to the dead horse thread.
 
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Jerry Russell

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Fauci and CDC have recently warned that cycle counts of 33 or more are basically just amplifying noise. But, there are reports that some labs now are using a cutoff cycle count as high as 40. To the extent that this is going on, the results of the latest wave of testing are completely bogus.
A blog from Australia by Ian Mackay disputes this. Based on his own lab experience, he says that PCR tests won't detect virus that doesn't exist, even at cycle counts of 55 are higher. And he says it's not a good idea to rely on the cycle count as a quantitative measure because of differences between labs and lab equipment. He admits that at high cycle counts, most of the detected viral particles are fragments that can no longer be cultured. But a positive result (even at high cycle count) is evidence of a recent infection, although the subject might no longer be actively infectious.

As further evidence, Mackay points to the current situation in Australia. They're still running ~40,000 tests a day, of which only 10 per day are positive, almost entirely among travelers from overseas. The rate of positive covid-19 tests among locals is somewhere less than 2 per 40,000, which represents an upper limit for the rate of false positives.

https://virologydownunder.com/the-false-positive-pcr-problem-is-not-a-problem/
 

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Pierre Kory of the FLCCC (Frontline Covid Clinical Care) Alliance talks about HCQ vs. Ivermectin (from 37:43 to about 40:00) in this interview with Lisha Brooks. FLCCC invented the "Math +" protocol for hospitalized covid-19 patients, involving steroids & anticoagulants.

 
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Jerry Russell

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It's been a long time since I've updated this thread, mainly because there are so many other excellent sources of information. At this point, world renowned MD's and highly respected mainstream journalists are speaking up about the issues that we started to raise here as early as Feb. 2020.

But at this moment, I have a service to offer. Dr. Peter McCullough gave an amazing interview with author John Leake. It's an hour and 45 minutes long. And it's not on YouTube, so their automated transcription service is not available. A member at Chris Martenson's site, who posts by the name of "MountainBlues" says he paid someone to do a transcript. But he posted it behind the paywall there! Fortunately, he authorized sharing. So here it is! As a 32 page pdf. Here are a couple of highlights:

[About early treatments...]
There is a global suppression on any early treatment. I want the listeners to understand how global this is. If we were to go north into Canada, doctors are threatened that their licenses will be examined or take away if they attempt to treat an outpatient with COVID-19. They’re told this in Canada. In northern EU, the same is true. Dr. Didier Raoult who was trying to innovate with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin in France, in period of times, has been under degrees of threat of arrest or partial arrest or house arrest. Almost as if we’re back in the Dark Ages.
In Australia, in April, they put on the books in Queensland, Australia, a doctor who tries to help a patient with hydroxychloroquine could be penalized up unto the point of going into jail for six months for helping. In South Africa, they put some doctors in jail for trying to help patients with Ivermectin. Listen, the powers that are out there that want to suppress early treatment and cause as much fear, suffering, hospitalization and death are not by happenstance. These are powerful forces that have created such fear among doctors, people are fearful they’re going to lose their careers, their livelihood, their medical license. People are afraid of going to jail in just helping their fellow man get through COVID-19. This is extraordinary.
[About the vaccine...]
...there’s something very unique about this vaccine. There’s something about injecting something into a body that is so important to stakeholders, that doesn’t matter. Kids 12 years old, told they can make their own decision on this, and it could be their fatal decision? Think about that. North Carolina just passed that. Oh kids 12 years old can decide on their own. There are over 4,000 dead Americans, there’s over 10,000 dead people in Europe that die on days one, two and three after the vaccine. Why are we pushing this in a way where people’s jobs and their education and their livelihood decide on a decision that’s potentially fatal? The tension, you can cut it with a knife. There are parents who say, "Listen, I want my kid to go to college this year, but I don’t want to lose him to the vaccine." They know what’s going on. The internet is full of these cases: Blood clots, strokes, immediate death. Now, I’m fortunate, I have not directly lost a patient to the vaccine. I told you, most got vaccinated in January... December, January, February. Based on the safety data now, I can no longer recommend it. I can’t recommend it. It’s passed all the thresholds to being a safe product. It’s not a safe product. None of them are. It’s not just Johnson & Johnson. In fact, more of the safety events in the United States have occurred with Moderna and Pfizer.
There are now papers written by prominent scientists calling for a worldwide halt in the program. There are prominent virologists, many of them including Nobel prize winners, who have said, "Listen, if we vaccinate people and we create a very narrow, incomplete library of immunity," which is what the vaccine is, the vaccines are all targeted to the original Wuhan spike protein, which is long gone, that’s extinct. Patients are getting vaccinated to something that doesn’t even exist anymore. That Wuhan spike protein is gone. We’re hoping the immunity covers the other variants. But that narrow immunity is a set up. It’s just like giving everybody a narrow spectrum antibiotic. If you did that, what would happen? We’d grow up super bugs. There are warnings out there saying, "Don’t do this, don’t vaccinate the entire world. All we’re going to do is set ourselves up for a super bug that’s going to really wipe out populations." So, for many reasons, the vaccine... Indiscriminate vaccination is a horrendous idea. It’s a horrendous bio-weapon that’s been thrust onto the public, and it’s going to cause great personal harm, which it already has.
Thousands of people have lost their lives. I’ve never lost a direct patient, but I’ve had my patients lose their family members, lots of them. I’ve filled out a safety report on a patient who developed blood clots after one of the Pfizer Moderna vaccine, and I’m telling you, it took half an hour to do it, there was many pages and each page said, "Warning: Federal offense punishable by severe fines and penalties," if I falsify the report. All those thousands of Americans that have died with the vaccine and hospitalizations in the database, I think are real, and they are far beyond anything we’ve ever seen. And as a doctor and as a public citizen, I am extraordinarily concerned about the vaccine. The vaccine center right down the street here is empty. I drive past it every day. Americans know, they’re talking to each other, the vaccine is not safe. And now, the effort is the vaccine stakeholders want kids without parental guidance, and now they want to be in the church. Americans and people worldwide should be extraordinarily alarmed.
 

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Thanks for performing this public-spirited service Jerry!

It is a brilliant interview which everyone needs to read.
Tragically, millions imagine that by listening to the propaganda and going with their fear-driven desire to avoid dying from Covid (which is extremely unlikely in young to middle aged, generally healthy people), they have "gone with the science" by submitting to this luciferian global population control tactic.
What are the long-term effects of being injected with this experimental drug that is claimed to be safe? So safe that none of the manufacturers will accept liability for any injury or death, but which is being forced upon everybody with threats, blackmail, propaganda, lies, lockdowns, imprisonment.
Of course nobody knows the long-term effects, because there have been no long-term trials of this hastily concocted brew. But some brave doctors and scientists dare to leak what they do know, God bless them. The suspected waves of illness and deaths to come will not be verified for perhaps a year or two, but there is no antidote to the foolishness of volunteering to be an experimental lab rat. No way to remove those diabolical self-replicating ingredients once they have been injected into the body.
 

Claude Badley

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Better late than never I suppose...
Thanks for performing this public-spirited service Jerry!

It is a brilliant interview which everyone needs to read.
...especially after re-reading posts ##382-400 so full of jerry-built arguments in favor of the Faucisti and his Gatestapo. The result of course being that I was the one labelled the 'Fascist'! :cool:

[... off topic discussion moved to Claude's own thread...]

The states of emergencies in Western Australia are continually extended by finding one "positive PCR" case, and eventually they will shut down internet access and any communications countering the MSM genocidal agenda - the Vaccine Salvation Cult of genocide by stealth.
 
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Jerry Russell

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Thanks for performing this public-spirited service Jerry!
Why thank you, Ruby! The PDF has one download so far, and I guess you must be it.

Better late than never I suppose... ...especially after re-reading posts ##382-400 so full of jerry-built arguments in favor of the Faucisti and his Gatestapo.
And thank you too, Mr Badley!

But... re-reading posts #382-400, what I see is that I conclusively established that Gates was claiming to be a vaccine do-gooder in his 2010 Ted talk... and also that Gates is a pathological liar!

So if he was implying that he was trying to improve the human condition, we should logically conclude that his real intent was and is the opposite.

The result of course being that I was the one labelled the 'Fascist'! :cool:
I thought you were proudly self labelled! You don't see it as a red badge of honor?

You're reminding me of the good old days, when I was continuously moving all your posts to the "Beating a Dead Fuhrerprinzep" thread. Which is what I'm doing now...
 

Jerry Russell

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Speaking of the Faucisti, our old nemesis Richard Carrier has signed up to join. He issued a pronouncement about the recent FOIA email dump. I'm especially interested in what he had to say about the lab-leak theory.

Carrier's claim is that there's only one email in the entire treasure trove that's relevant, which is the one in which Kristian Anderson wrote to say that the virus had features that "suggested manipulation in a lab." Importantly, the letter went on to say that "Eddie, Bob, Mike and myself all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory." The context makes it clear that he's referring to Edward Holmes, Robert Garry, and Michael Ferguson.

Holmes is a virologist who wrote the book "The Evolution and Emergence of RNA Viruses". Robert Garry is a virologist at Tulane University and is "managing a consortium of scientists who are developing countermeasures, including diagnostics, immunotherapeutics and vaccines, against Lassa virus, Ebola and Marburg viruses, and other high consequence pathogens." Mike Ferguson was a PhD biochemist and Professor of Molecular Parasitology at the University of Dundee until 2014. Now he's Deputy Chair of the Board of Governors at Wellcome Trust. So, this is a group of massive heavy hitters who are in agreement that there's something unnatural about the SARS-cov2 virus.

This email is dated Jan. 31, 2020.

Carrier thinks the only other marginally relevant email is another one in which Fauci "responded politely to someone thanking him for his public denunciations of counter-productive conspiracy thinking". He's probably referring to Fauci's reply to an email from Peter Daszak dated April 18, in which Daszak thanks Fauci for helping to "dispel the myths being spun around the virus origins".

Just two emails? Well, if all Carrier read was the Washington Post debunk of the significance of the emails, that's all he would know. Tucker Carlson did a considerably better job of explaining the seriousness of the situation, and he found several more important emails. (Chris Martenson also did a video about this, with even more detail, but essentially following Carlson's outline. Hat tip to Chris for explaining this to me first.)


(The first 7:20 deal with the lab leak theory; after that, Carlson talks about vaccines for people who have already had covid-19, and about masks.)

As Carlson points out: immediately after receiving the email from Anderson, Fauci shot back a quick email thanking Anderson for the information. His very next step was to send an email to Hugh Auchincloss, an MD "transplant immunologist" who was Fauci's second-in-command at NIAID. Fauci asked Auchincloss to read Baric & Shi's 2015 paper on gain-of-function research in SARS coronavirus. He told Auschincloss that "Tasks Must Be Done!"

By that afternoon of Feb. 1, a conference phone call had been arranged by Jeremy Farrar, who is the director of Wellcome Trust. According to Wikipedia, the Wellcome Trust is the fourth wealthiest charitable foundation in the world, with an endowment of 29.1 billion British pounds. Carlson shows an email from Farrar to the assembled virologists, reminding them that "Information and discussion is shared in total confidence and is not to be shared until agreement on next steps." The virologists will be discussing a document called "Coronavirus Sequence Comparison".

On Feb. 9th, eight days later, a preprint of "The Proximal Origin of SARS-Cov-2" appeared in Nature Medicine correspondence, claiming to offer proof beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the virus was zoonotic and natural. Its final published form was dated March 17. The authors included Kristian Anderson, Edward Holmes, and Robert Garry, all of whom had been convinced of the opposite just days earlier.

On March 19, a post on Dan Sirotkin's blog absolutely shredded the Nature paper. Sirotkin had already posted an excellent review of the case for lab origins as of Jan. 31, 2020. As I remember, that blog post was widely referenced in the alt media at that time, including at Zero Hedge. So it may well have been the actual cause of the hubub in the emails. Or if not, at any rate the lab origins theory was "in the air" at the time.

Writing recently about the "Proximal Origins" paper and another similar one that appeared in The Lancet, the weaponized anthrax specialist Meryl Nass wrote:

http://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2021/06/the-real-conspirators-who-lied-about.html

These two extraordinarily influential pieces, each simply titled as a "Correspondence," were parroted by the mainstream media for a year. Each was plainly intended to shut down any discussion of a possible lab origin.
I happened to read both Correspondences in March 2020 and it was immediately apparent to me that each was designed as a propaganda tool. Neither had anything to do with science. In fact, the Andersen et al. Correspondence in Nature Medicine butchered the science.
Now, getting back to the Carrier blog post, he writes:

Originally the Wuhan lab-leak theory was solely about the Wuhan lab wholly creating and releasing the coronavirus as a deliberate bioweapon, a theory that remains whackadoo and contrary to all evidence (there is no biowarfare program at that lab; actual bioweapons are vastly deadlier than Covid-19, so it is inherently improbable it would be one; and genetic assays have confirmed there are no human-engineered structures in the virus).
Now, let's review the meaning of "evidence" in a Bayesian framework. If we are comparing two hypothesis, then "evidence" is any information which is more probably under the first hypothesis, than under the second.

Is there a biowarfare program at the Wuhan lab? What sort of evidence could conclusively favor the hypothesis that there is no such program? It's a lab in China, for crying out loud!! Under control of the CCP! It seems obviously conceivable that the CCP could be secretly running a bioweapons program there, and it would be easy to hide all evidence from Americans. If the CCP earnestly proclaims that the research is purely medical, that proves absolutely nothing!

But as it turns out, we do have evidence that biowarfare research could be conducted in Wuhan. I saw this behind the paywall at Martenson's site, but I don't respect his right to keep this private when it's just a link to someone else's website. It turns out that the EcoHealth alliance, which directly funded the gain of function work at Wuhan, also has absorbed $40 million in Pentagon funding for "militarized pandemic science".

This is actually consistent with the obvious, that there is no conceptual dividing line between militarized GOF research, and medical GOF research. But in this case, we can say that there is also no institutional barrier or distinction, either.

"Actual bioweapons are vastly deadlier than Covid-19"?? Thus speaks Richard Carrier, military strategist? It all depends on the military goal. If the objective is to create fear and loathing, and to destroy a nation's economy, one could hardly do better than the novel coronavirus. But I will concede that it seems much more likely that the mRNA vaccines are the real bioweapon.

"Genetic assays have confirmed there are no human-engineered structures in the virus." Here, I have to give Carrier the benefit of the doubt, and assume that he's taken this Kool Aide straight from the Nature and Lancet papers. The trick was, what does "human engineered" mean? Is this restricted to the classic method of taking a viral substrate and tacking on an extra bit of RNA or DNA to perform some specific protein synthesis task? What about combining one natural virus with another to make a "chimera", is that engineering? Passing a virus through several animal hosts to enhance function through accelerated evolution, is that "engineering"? Because there's plenty of RNA evidence in the SARS-cov2 genome that is easy to explain if the virus is a chimera that has been passed through humanized mice, and virtually impossible to explain as a result of zoonotic processes.

Apparently, as of Feb. 1, 2020, four of the top virologists in the country agreed with Sirotkin and Martenson and me about that. And that fact was important enough that Fauci and Auchincloss and Farrar had to organize a cover-up.

Carrier continues:

Only subsequently was it proposed that it was a naturally-collected virus that that lab was studying and released accidentally (due to poor containment procedures, a known and real problem), which has never been ruled out (more on that point shortly).

This may very well have been suggested in some obscure MSM publication and/or scientific journal, but this is not what anybody has ever meant by the "lab leak theory". Carrier seems to be trying to say that if you parse some of Fauci's denials and/or later admissions carefully, maybe he was talking about this version of the lab leak theory. Which is just a pathetic pseudo-lawyer attempt to get the criminal charges dismissed. Fauci and everybody else knows what we're talking about here. To finish Carrier's train of thought:

Then these two theories became conflated into a third theory: that Covid-19 was a naturally-collected virus subject to a “gain-of-function” study at the Wuhan lab (a method of experimentally making a virus more virulent for medical—not military—research), and then it got out accidentally. This is far more plausible than the original “Wuhan lab-leak” theory, but it has more or less been ruled out. That kind of work leaves unmistakable evidence in the structure of a virus, yet genetic assays of the virus confirm its unique features are too inefficient to likely be of human design, and are entirely in line with known and probable natural viral evolution; indeed it’s evolved more since its release into the world population, than what originally made it virulent in humans.

"Too inefficient"? What the heck does that mean? Carrier provides a helpful link to a Washington Post article (also available at archive.is if you don't want to send them your money) and here's what it says (my emphasis added):

Understandably then, some people have wondered whether these types of [gain-of-function and chimeric] experiments could have produced SARS-CoV-2. The answer is, in this case, not really. In theory, if you had the right viruses in your catalogue, sure. But there are no indications that anyone had ever seen this virus nor any viruses similar enough to serve as its genetic building blocks before SARS-CoV-2 emerged in the population.
The WaPo goes on to expound at great length, about how the WHO and CDC have asked the Wuhan lab very nicely for a catalog of their experimental virus genomes, and nothing has been released yet. Well, that's convincing! Here's how that's playing in Australia:


Which contains more fascinating revelations about Fauci, including a quote from a 2012 paper in which he explicitly states that GOF research is so important (in his mind) that it justifies the risk of sparking a world-wide pandemic. And a recent interview in which he says that if you're going to to GOF research, for Dawg's sake do it in China rather than risking American lives by doing the work in New Jersey.

Seriously, I kid you not. Now Fauci is just trolling us.

There is a lot more to say about Carrier's post, but I'm not going to say it yet. First I'm going to give him an opportunity to reply. For some reason, comments on Carrier's website seem to be closed for this particular essay of his. But I am still sending the guy $10 a month on Patreon, so I can post a link there, and call his attention to my concerns.

[Edited Monday 6/7: Strikeout font for incorrect speculation about Sirotkin and Zero Hedge.]
[Edited Tuesday 6/8: Strikeout font to fix misinterpretation of comment box at Carrier's website.]
 
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