Co2 climate change who is the real deniers?

[lorenhough]

http://sacredgeometryinternational.com/randall-carlson-climate-change-real-deniers

Must see above ! LH wow!!

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Editors note: The following is Randall Carlson’s definitive response to an affected attempt to label him as a “climate change denier.” Randall is of course more than happy to debate anyone from the pro IPCC global warming alarmist camp, brave enough to engage him in an open forum. Truly the debate is not over… but just beginning. Interested climate scientists or other related experts are welcome to contact us via our contact page and please use “Climate Change Debate” in the subject line.

Now let me state for the record: It is my belief that humans ARE influencing the climate in multiple ways, not only through introduction of CO2 into the atmosphere but through deforestation, agricultural and industrial activities, and expansion of urban areas. But here is the undeniable fact: the climate of this planet has changed profoundly, dramatically, even catastrophically and has done so repeatedly, on any scale that we care to measure, and it has done so without any help from humans. Don’t call me a climate change “denier” or even imply the same because that will be a complete mischaracterization of my position on the matter. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the climate changes. In fact, it is my opinion that the real climate change deniers or “denialists” or whatever the hell you want to call them are those who refuse to look at the palaeoclimatological record of natural variability, and choose instead to believe that a slight increase in an atmospheric trace gas portends our doom.

But here is the undeniable fact: the climate of this planet has changed profoundly, dramatically, even catastrophically and has done so repeatedly, on any scale that we care to measure, and it has done so without any help from humans. Don’t call me a climate change “denier” or even imply the same because that will be a complete mischaracterization of my position on the matter. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the climate changes. In fact, it is my opinion that the real climate change deniers or “denialists” or whatever the hell you want to call them are those who refuse to look at the palaeoclimatological record of natural variability, and choose instead to believe that a slight increase in an atmospheric trace gas portends our doom.

 

[Jerry Russell]

Hi Loren,

You posted similar material from Carlson last March, and here was my reply at the time:

http://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/the-winger-effect-is-effecting-you.10/page-2

 

[lorenhough]

So how the fooled are fooled dupes or paid to be be dirty when it comes to co2 is bad for you. Is the ice Melting like the witch ? See this 4 min.

 

[lorenhough]

So how the fooled are fooled dupes or paid to be be dirty when it comes to co2 is bad for you.

Jerry Russel a member on this site [snip - ed.]
Thought it wise to point out dr Simon Akins and gen. Burt the 3rd worked for the military who jerry disagreed with on radiation Fukushima seriousness. On this site.

So in all fairness
I would like to point out jerry Russel
Worked for a company who was paid for work by the CIA!
That may have been to help spy on you.

As jerry said on podcast on this site. Jan 18

Thanks jerry for telling us. The truth though it would have been better to know sooner.
Like joe telling us he went to a jesiut school; nothing to hide. When he first was interviewed on Jan's show .. Years ago.

Funny the people who I meet in the 9-11 truth movement were the 1st to alert me to the co2 is bad for you lie! 10 years ago! Jerry is a 9-11 truther.

I have been following the co2 so called problem sense 1977 and believed we need to keep a eye on co2 but had no idea what it would do.
Those who did think co2 was bad back then said it was to give us a new ice age. And all we had to do fix it was to add minerals so the soil to make more plants to suck it out of the air.

Now the big boys say to save us from the weather, we can't burn wood to keep warm. This is what those you believe it lie are helping the big boys get away with in cop21
See wood burning laws in ca.
How does wood do any thing if not burned it dies and gives off the same amount of co2
Right? See the lie ?
Well I hope you don't freeze.. When the light go off because you can't burn wood to save your life. And may go to jail if you say global weather change is not man made
..not talking about geo - engineering that Jerry denies also!

See England winter how many people freeze each year because of co2 ..

 

[Jerry Russell]

Hi Loren,

I think I also mentioned my background on a couple of earlier podcasts. Yes, from 1996 to 2000, my first job out of graduate school, I worked for an Internet spinoff of a financial-services company that had received some funding from the CIA. That's not exactly the same thing as having been recently a top general with the military, or owning a military contracting company. But, I wouldn't claim that the job did much to make the world a better place. It was an experience.

Wood burning stoves are a major problem in California urban areas, but not because of CO2. The problem is particulates, which are a well known health hazard. They've been prohibited in the Bay Area for new construction, but it's still OK to burn wood if there's no other heat source available.

 

[lorenhough]

Hi Loren,

I think I also mentioned my background on a couple of earlier podcasts. Yes, from 1996 to 2000, my first job out of graduate school, I worked for an Internet spinoff of a financial-services company that had received some funding from the CIA. That's not exactly the same thing as having been recently a top general with the military, or owning a military contracting company. But, I wouldn't claim that the job did much to make the world a better place. It was an experience.

Wood burning stoves are a major problem in California urban areas, but not because of CO2. The problem is particulates, which are a well known health hazard. They've been prohibited in the Bay Area for new construction, but it's still OK to burn wood if there's no other heat source available.

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Senators Tell Lynch To Stop Bullying Global Warming Skeptics

Five Republican senators have sent a letter to Attorney General Loretta Lynch asking her to “immediately cease” using law enforcement resources to go after those who disagree with President Barack Obama on global warming. “These actions provide disturbing confirmation that government officials at all levels are threatening to wield the sword of law enforcement to


Read more at http://www.trunews.com/#2G1ZGzrOCVRpUQRE.99

 

[lorenhough]

cut and paste
Senators Tell Lynch To Stop Bullying Global Warming Skeptics

Five Republican senators have sent a letter to Attorney General Loretta Lynch asking her to “immediately cease” using law enforcement resources to go after those who disagree with President Barack Obama on global warming. “These actions provide disturbing confirmation that government officials at all levels are threatening to wield the sword of law enforcement to


Read more at http://www.trunews.com/#2G1ZGzrOCVRpUQRE.99

Hunt records Rothschild saying his bank will handle all global warming credits for the world ..and more.

Jessy talks to him..

 

[lorenhough]

Hunt records Rothschild saying his bank will handle all global warming credits for the world ..and more.

Jessy talks to him..

cut paste LH
Read more: http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2016/03/31/can-imams-drive-action-on-climate-change-in-pakistan/

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Climate worriers appear to be increasingly looking for ways to exploit people’s religious faith, to coerce ordinary people into accepting green destitution; into abandoning mechanised transport, into letting farmland return to wilderness.

For much of the history of civilisation, during the Dark Age, ordinary people were prey to the unscrupulous – to tyrants who exploited the honest faith of ordinary people, to coerce acceptance of inequity and injustice. Then along came the Age of Reason, and the Age of Enlightenment. Instead of simply accepting whatever they were told, ordinary people started to question, to demand answers, to know the evidence. People started to demand rational government, justice, liberty and fair treatment.

The Climate activist appeal to reason has failed – their evidence sucks, their models don’t work, public interest is plummeting, and their habit of calling people names, when their shoddy science is questioned, is starting to wear thin.

The obvious, if audacious solution – roll back the clock, and restore the Dark Age of unquestioning obedience to arbitrary authority.

 

[lorenhough]

Hi Loren,

I think I also mentioned my background on a couple of earlier podcasts. Yes, from 1996 to 2000, my first job out of graduate school, I worked for an Internet spinoff of a financial-services company that had received some funding from the CIA. That's not exactly the same thing as having been recently a top general with the military, or owning a military contracting company. But, I wouldn't claim that the job did much to make the world a better place. It was an experience.

Wood burning stoves are a major problem in California urban areas, but not because of CO2. The problem is particulates, which are a well known health hazard. They've been prohibited in the Bay Area for new construction, but it's still OK to burn wood if there's no other heat source available.

H jerry, agenda 21 is world wide.
Canadian government orders residents to get rid of their old wood-burning stoves or pay thousands of dollars in fines - NaturalNews.com[/paste:font]
www.naturalnews.com › 052752_wood-...
Jan 26, 2016 - Tags: wood-burning stoves, Agenda 21, Canadian government ... And although the U.S. bans are not directly issued by the EPA, the ... In line with their agenda to destroy families.
EPA's Ban On Wood Burning Stoves Just Days From Taking Effect | Off The Grid News
www.offthegridnews.com › current-events
Jan 16, 2015 - wood-stove-endalldiseaseDOTcom ... All coal and wood burning would be illegal during that .... NO governmental agency can create laws, regulations,etc that has .... Such as the UN, EPA, ACORN, agenda 21, to name a few, ...
The EPA Takes an Ax to Self-Sufficiency: Most Woodburning Stoves Will Soon Be Illegal - The Organic Prepper
www.theorganicprepper.ca › the-epa-tak...
Sep 28, 2013 - This means that most wood burning stoves would now fall into ... If you have a mortgage, you have absolutely no option but ... goes along with Agenda 21 – the EPA is all over the green ...



From before it is news


The EPA also has compiled a list of “approved” stoves.

According to a Washington Times review of the wood stove ban, the most dangerous aspect of the EPA proposed guidelines is the one-size-fits-all approach to the perceived problem. The same wood burning stove rules would apply to both heavily air-pollution laden major cities and far cleaner rural regions with extremely cooler temperatures. Families living in Alaska, or off the grid in wilderness area in the West, will most likely have extreme difficulty remaining in their cold, secluded homes if the EPA wood stove rules are approved.

 

[lorenhough]

http://sacredgeometryinternational.com/randall-carlson-climate-change-real-deniers

Must see above ! LH wow!!

Download PDF
Editors note: The following is Randall Carlson’s definitive response to an affected attempt to label him as a “climate change denier.” Randall is of course more than happy to debate anyone from the pro IPCC global warming alarmist camp, brave enough to engage him in an open forum. Truly the debate is not over… but just beginning. Interested climate scientists or other related experts are welcome to contact us via our contact page and please use “Climate Change Debate” in the subject line.

Now let me state for the record: It is my belief that humans ARE influencing the climate in multiple ways, not only through introduction of CO2 into the atmosphere but through deforestation, agricultural and industrial activities, and expansion of urban areas. But here is the undeniable fact: the climate of this planet has changed profoundly, dramatically, even catastrophically and has done so repeatedly, on any scale that we care to measure, and it has done so without any help from humans. Don’t call me a climate change “denier” or even imply the same because that will be a complete mischaracterization of my position on the matter. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the climate changes. In fact, it is my opinion that the real climate change deniers or “denialists” or whatever the hell you want to call them are those who refuse to look at the palaeoclimatological record of natural variability, and choose instead to believe that a slight increase in an atmospheric trace gas portends our doom.

But here is the undeniable fact: the climate of this planet has changed profoundly, dramatically, even catastrophically and has done so repeatedly, on any scale that we care to measure, and it has done so without any help from humans. Don’t call me a climate change “denier” or even imply the same because that will be a complete mischaracterization of my position on the matter. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the climate changes. In fact, it is my opinion that the real climate change deniers or “denialists” or whatever the hell you want to call them are those who refuse to look at the palaeoclimatological record of natural variability, and choose instead to believe that a slight increase in an atmospheric trace gas portends our doom.

https://climateviewer.com/2016/06/03/cern-debunks-climate-change-models-the-cloud-conundrum/
new news about cern clouds and weather LH
remember oil? they been saying we will run out for the last 100 years. now there to much on the market? will they tell us truth about how much we have? agenda 21 we cant use oil; I like electric cars hope they can make it work as well as gas or better ..
here is the start that may becoming our way? while I can thinking of using old used vegetable oil in Fiji.. for free
http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...ars-by-2025/ar-BBtRAqN?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=HPCDHP

 

[Jerry Russell]

Loren's link discusses three papers from CERN, which argue that ancient cloud cover was greater than assumed in other models, and as a result, projections of future warming should be moderated.

Quote:

the result means climate modelers can’t assume that the ancient past was much less cloudy simply because there was less sulfur dioxide. If ancient cloud cover was closer to today’s levels, the increase in the cloud-cooling effect due to human pollution could also be smaller—which means that Earth was not warming up so much in response to increased greenhouse gases alone. In other words, Earth is less sensitive to greenhouse gases than previously thought, and it may warm up less in response to future carbon emissions, says Urs Baltensperger of the Paul Scherrer Institute, who was an author on all three papers.
​

About oil, I'm radical enough to believe that the abiotic thesis might well be correct. But even if it is -- easily recoverable oil is a finite resource, replenishment rates may be very low, and fracking (the source of the current glut) is an environmental nightmare.

 

[lorenhough]

http://sacredgeometryinternational.com/randall-carlson-climate-change-real-deniers

Must see above ! LH wow!!

Download PDF
Editors note: The following is Randall Carlson’s definitive response to an affected attempt to label him as a “climate change denier.” Randall is of course more than happy to debate anyone from the pro IPCC global warming alarmist camp, brave enough to engage him in an open forum. Truly the debate is not over… but just beginning. Interested climate scientists or other related experts are welcome to contact us via our contact page and please use “Climate Change Debate” in the subject line.

Now let me state for the record: It is my belief that humans ARE influencing the climate in multiple ways, not only through introduction of CO2 into the atmosphere but through deforestation, agricultural and industrial activities, and expansion of urban areas. But here is the undeniable fact: the climate of this planet has changed profoundly, dramatically, even catastrophically and has done so repeatedly, on any scale that we care to measure, and it has done so without any help from humans. Don’t call me a climate change “denier” or even imply the same because that will be a complete mischaracterization of my position on the matter. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the climate changes. In fact, it is my opinion that the real climate change deniers or “denialists” or whatever the hell you want to call them are those who refuse to look at the palaeoclimatological record of natural variability, and choose instead to believe that a slight increase in an atmospheric trace gas portends our doom.

But here is the undeniable fact: the climate of this planet has changed profoundly, dramatically, even catastrophically and has done so repeatedly, on any scale that we care to measure, and it has done so without any help from humans. Don’t call me a climate change “denier” or even imply the same because that will be a complete mischaracterization of my position on the matter. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the climate changes. In fact, it is my opinion that the real climate change deniers or “denialists” or whatever the hell you want to call them are those who refuse to look at the palaeoclimatological record of natural variability, and choose instead to believe that a slight increase in an atmospheric trace gas portends our doom.

 

[Jerry Russell]

At Karlstrom's web page, http://naturalclimatechange.us, I saw a quote from Reid Bryson. According to Karlstrom (and indeed it seems to be widely agreed), Bryson is known as the "father of scientific climatology". I traced the quote to this interview of Bryson by Dave Hoopman that appeared in Wisconsin Energy Cooperative News in 2007, shortly before Bryson's death. The article has disappeared from the WECN web page, and I had to track it down on archive.org. So I'm copying it here in its entirety.

https://web.archive.org/web/20070729002718/http://wecnmagazine.com/2007issues/may/may07.html

The Faithful Heretic
A Wisconsin Icon Pursues Tough Questions
Some people are lucky enough to enjoy their work, some are lucky enough to love it, and then there’s Reid Bryson. At age 86, he’s still hard at it every day, delving into the science some say he invented.

Reid A. Bryson holds the 30th PhD in Meteorology granted in the history of American education. Emeritus Professor and founding chairman of the University of Wisconsin Department of Meteorology—now the Department of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences—in the 1970s he became the first director of what’s now the UW’s Gaylord Nelson Institute of Environmental Studies. He’s a member of the United Nations Global 500 Roll of Honor—created, the U.N. says, to recognize “outstanding achievements in the protection and improvement of the environment.” He has authored five books and more than 230 other publications and was identified by the British Institute of Geographers as the most frequently cited climatologist in the world.

Long ago in the Army Air Corps, Bryson and a colleague prepared the aviation weather forecast that predicted discovery of the jet stream by a group of B-29s flying to and from Tokyo. Their warning to expect westerly winds at 168 knots earned Bryson and his friend a chewing out from a general—and the general’s apology the next day when he learned they were right. Bryson flew into a couple of typhoons in 1944, three years before the Weather Service officially did such things, and he prepared the forecast for the homeward flight of the Enola Gay. Back in Wisconsin, he built a program at the UW that’s trained some of the nation’s leading climatologists.

How Little We Know

Bryson is a believer in climate change, in that he’s as quick as anyone to acknowledge that Earth’s climate has done nothing but change throughout the planet’s existence. In fact, he took that knowledge a big step further, earlier than probably anyone else. Almost 40 years ago, Bryson stood before the American Association for the Advancement of Science and presented a paper saying human activity could alter climate.

“I was laughed off the platform for saying that,” he told Wisconsin Energy Cooperative News.

In the 1960s, Bryson’s idea was widely considered a radical proposition. But nowadays things have turned almost in the opposite direction: Hardly a day passes without some authority figure claiming that whatever the climate happens to be doing, human activity must be part of the explanation. And once again, Bryson is challenging the conventional wisdom.

“Climate’s always been changing and it’s been changing rapidly at various times, and so something was making it change in the past,” he told us in an interview this past winter. “Before there were enough people to make any difference at all, two million years ago, nobody was changing the climate, yet the climate was changing, okay?”

“All this argument is the temperature going up or not, it’s absurd,” Bryson continues. “Of course it’s going up. It has gone up since the early 1800s, before the Industrial Revolution, because we’re coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we’re putting more carbon dioxide into the air.”

Little Ice Age? That’s what chased the Vikings out of Greenland after they’d farmed there for a few hundred years during the Mediaeval Warm Period, an earlier run of a few centuries when the planet was very likely warmer than it is now, without any help from industrial activity in making it that way. What’s called “proxy evidence”—assorted clues extrapolated from marine sediment cores, pollen specimens, and tree-ring data—helps reconstruct the climate in those times before instrumental temperature records existed.

We ask about that evidence, but Bryson says it’s second-tier stuff. “Don’t talk about proxies,” he says. “We have written evidence, eyeball evidence. When Eric the Red went to Greenland, how did he get there? It’s all written down.”

Bryson describes the navigational instructions provided for Norse mariners making their way from Europe to their settlements in Greenland. The place was named for a reason: The Norse farmed there from the 10th century to the 13th, a somewhat longer period than the United States has existed. But around 1200 the mariners’ instructions changed in a big way. Ice became a major navigational reference. Today, old Viking farmsteads are covered by glaciers.

Bryson mentions the retreat of Alpine glaciers, common grist for current headlines. “What do they find when the ice sheets retreat, in the Alps?”

We recall the two-year-old report saying a mature forest and agricultural water-management structures had been discovered emerging from the ice, seeing sunlight for the first time in thousands of years. Bryson interrupts excitedly.

“A silver mine! The guys had stacked up their tools because they were going to be back the next spring to mine more silver, only the snow never went,” he says. “There used to be less ice than now. It’s just getting back to normal.”

What Leads, What Follows?

What is normal? Maybe continuous change is the only thing that qualifies. There’s been warming over the past 150 years and even though it’s less than one degree, Celsius, something had to cause it. The usual suspect is the “greenhouse effect,” various atmospheric gases trapping solar energy, preventing it being reflected back into space.

We ask Bryson what could be making the key difference:

Q: Could you rank the things that have the most significant impact and where would you put carbon dioxide on the list?

A: Well let me give you one fact first. In the first 30 feet of the atmosphere, on the average, outward radiation from the Earth, which is what CO2 is supposed to affect, how much [of the reflected energy] is absorbed by water vapor? In the first 30 feet, 80 percent, okay?

Q: Eighty percent of the heat radiated back from the surface is absorbed in the first 30 feet by water vapor…

A: And how much is absorbed by carbon dioxide? Eight hundredths of one percent. One one-thousandth as important as water vapor. You can go outside and spit and have the same effect as doubling carbon dioxide.

This begs questions about the widely publicized mathematical models researchers run through supercomputers to generate climate scenarios 50 or 100 years in the future. Bryson says the data fed into the computers overemphasizes carbon dioxide and accounts poorly for the effects of clouds—water vapor. Asked to evaluate the models’ long-range predictive ability, he answers with another question: “Do you believe a five-day forecast?”

Bryson says he looks in the opposite direction, at past climate conditions, for clues to future climate behavior. Trying that approach in the weeks following our interview, Wisconsin Energy Cooperative News soon found six separate papers about Antarctic ice core studies, published in peer-reviewed scientific journals between 1999 and 2006. The ice core data allowed researchers to examine multiple climate changes reaching back over the past 650,000 years. All six studies found atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations tracking closely with temperatures, but with CO2 lagging behind changes in temperature, rather than leading them. The time lag between temperatures moving up—or down—and carbon dioxide following ranged from a few hundred to a few thousand years.
​

 

[Jerry Russell]

Continued....

Renaissance Man, Marathon Man

When others were laughing at the concept, Reid Bryson was laying the ground floor for scientific investigation of human impacts on climate. We asked UW Professor Ed Hopkins, the assistant state climatologist, about the significance of Bryson’s work in advancing the science he’s now practiced for six decades.

“His contributions are manifold,” Hopkins said. “He wrote Climates of Hunger back in the 1970s looking at how climate changes over the last several thousand years have affected human activity and human cultures.”

This, he suggests, is traceable to Bryson’s high-school interest in archaeology, followed by college degrees in geology, then meteorology, and studies in oceanography, limnology, and other disciplines. “He’s looked at the interconnections of all these things and their impact on human societies,” Hopkins says. “He’s one of those people I would say is a Renaissance person.”

The Renaissance, of course, produced its share of heretics, and 21 years after he supposedly retired, one could ponder whether Bryson’s work today is a tale of continuing heresy, or of conventional wisdom being outpaced by an octogenarian.

Without addressing—or being asked—that question, UW Green Bay Emeritus Professor Joseph Moran agrees that Bryson qualifies as “the father of the science of modern climatology.”

“In his lifetime, in his career, he has shaped the future as well as the present state of climatology,” Moran says, adding, “We’re going to see his legacy with us for many generations to come.”

Holding bachelor’s and master’s degrees from Boston College, Moran became a doctoral candidate under Bryson in the late 1960s and early ’70s. “I came to Wisconsin because he was there,” Moran told us.

With Hopkins, Moran co-authored Wisconsin’s Weather and Climate, a book aimed at teachers, students, outdoor enthusiasts, and workers with a need to understand what the weather does and why. Bryson wrote a preface for the book but Hopkins told us the editors “couldn’t fathom” certain comments, thinking he was being too flippant with the remark that “Wisconsin is not for wimps when it comes to weather.”

Clearly what those editors couldn’t fathom was that Bryson simply enjoys mulling over the reasons weather and climate behave as they do and what might make them—and consequently us—behave differently. This was immediately obvious when we asked him why, at his age, he keeps showing up for work at a job he’s no longer paid to do.

“It’s fun!” he said. Ed Hopkins and Joe Moran would undoubtedly agree.

“I think that’s one of the reasons for his longevity,” Moran says. “He’s so interested and inquisitive. I regard him as a pot-stirrer. Sometimes people don’t react well when you challenge their long-held ideas, but that’s how real science takes place.”—Dave Hoopman​

 

[lorenhough]

Thanks jerry
Love your insights very much
Wishin you well
Let's look or truth wherever it y take us.
Here a chart we all need to see
Where we have been
And we're we may going

http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm

 

[Richard Stanley]

Interview with a climate scientist that broke ranks with the IPCC. Corbett interviews Dr. Judith Curry on the absurdity of climate models (for such usage) and how the results can easily be fudged.

The problem for me it that, yes, the climate is constantly changing, with or without man's help. It will change to such a degree that it has, and will, topple societies and civilizations. Especially if they don't attempt to provide flexibility to change. This was the theme of Brian Fagan's book, The Long Summer, ... and is also at the center of the Genesis story of Joseph's collaboration with the pharaoh. A typical 7 year feast and 7 year famine cycle (a short term phenomenon) was exploited by the two so as to enslave the entire population of Egypt and convert them to feudalism. This model was transposed to Europe's feudalism, until the serfs (and Jews) were emancipated so as to conquer and exploit new lands across the global seas. And now Christians and cultural Christians are complaining that they are being reduced to serf status? Well ... this is your slavish cultural narrative unfolding.

The pioneers' (former European serfs) conquered farm lands have been slowly swallowed up by major corporations, whose majority ownership is ultimately ... whom? Generally, the descendants of the same peoples that benefited from the Joseph and Pharaoh story. At least if we loosely follow their and others (such as Barbiero and DeVere) claims of descent.

Finklestein and Silberman discussed such climate cycle affects on Canaan in the archaeological finds covering thousands of years, so these people's particularly the elites (and especially the related priesthoods) had a grasp of all of this. And such understanding of this was a reason for saying that 'god' (aka the Sun) was responsible for all that is good and all that is evil. Him and comets and such.

Of course, Egypt itself was afflicted by long term climate change, and perhaps this was the motivation to transpose themselves, as I assert, to Europe, imposing the Genesis 47 narrative and results upon Europeans, many of which had long migrated from Mesopotamia long before, because of ... climate change, long term and short.

 

[lorenhough]

Interview with a climate scientist that broke ranks with the IPCC. Corbett interviews Dr. Judith Curry on the absurdity of climate models (for such usage) and how the results can easily be fudged.

The problem for me it that, yes, the climate is constantly changing, with or without man's help. It will change to such a degree that it has, and will, topple societies and civilizations. Especially if they don't attempt to provide flexibility to change. This was the theme of Brian Fagan's book, The Long Summer, ... and is also at the center of the Genesis story of Joseph's collaboration with the pharaoh. A typical 7 year feast and 7 year famine cycle (a short term phenomenon) was exploited by the two so as to enslave the entire population of Egypt and convert them to feudalism. This model was transposed to Europe's feudalism, until the serfs (and Jews) were emancipated so as to conquer and exploit new lands across the global seas. And now Christians and cultural Christians are complaining that they are being reduced to serf status? Well ... this is your slavish cultural narrative unfolding.

The pioneers' (former European serfs) conquered farm lands have been slowly swallowed up by major corporations, whose majority ownership is ultimately ... whom? Generally, the descendants of the same peoples that benefited from the Joseph and Pharaoh story. At least if we loosely follow their and others (such as Barbiero and DeVere) claims of descent.

Finklestein and Silberman discussed such climate cycle affects on Canaan in the archaeological finds covering thousands of years, so these people's particularly the elites (and especially the related priesthoods) had a grasp of all of this. And such understanding of this was a reason for saying that 'god' (aka the Sun) was responsible for all that is good and all that is evil. Him and comets and such.

Of course, Egypt itself was afflicted by long term climate change, and perhaps this was the motivation to transpose themselves, as I assert, to Europe, imposing the Genesis 47 narrative and results upon Europeans, many of which had long migrated from Mesopotamia long before, because of ... climate change, long term and short.

Good stuff Richard thanks
Fun to work together
Don't always have to agree
But we learn buy looking at things we have not thought of.
Wishing you
Well
Let's this site stay up for a long time it will be helpful
I have been a part of the environmental movement back in 1973
Dr wes Jackson the land in my home town
He is part of the world bank and gets 13 million ayear from them
Every year before he got the $ he said he didn't know what co2 would do
After $ he says cow farts and tilling the land will change the weather for bad ..
He has been talking about co2 back in 1970s were in first heard about it
We through back then co2 would make it get colder
Then warmer
Now just change
Can't lose with change

 

[lorenhough]

Data; fake Governet weather reports to make co2 bad for you!