Christian Shades of Gray and The Coming Civil War

Richard Stanley

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I frequently disagree with Makow, but yes, this makes much more sense, and is properly Machiavellian. It also fits with the claims that FDR was politically forced into enacting Social Security.

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Charles Watkins

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I can see a wave of civil protests, but not a full blown Civil War. We've come too far since the last one for such a mobilization to take place. At most, we'll see some guerilla mobs that get wiped up when they start getting publicity.

I think a lot of our gun problem stems from this 'New Dawn' fantasy of plucky local militias staving off the totalitarian government. It's the last rationale for civilians owning military weapons.
 

Richard Stanley

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I was listening to the comments on C-SPAN during the breaks in Judicial Committee testimony today, and the Trumpistas could not allow that their superhero could do any wrong. He was simply looking to protect the taxpayers by addressing corruption in Ukraine, even though all he wanted from them was an announcement that they were investigating the Bidens, not an investigation. He is their messiah and king, and this does not bode well. And it doesn't help that the Biden's are indeed dirty.

Could I be wrong, yes. But we have a president who has actively encouraged these sentiments, claiming that the Constitution is unconstitutional, and is motivated to do so in order to keep himself out of jail.
 

Suchender

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How to Avoid Civil War: Decentralization, Nullification, Secession
https://mises.org/wire/how-avoid-civil-war-decentralization-nullification-secession
It's becoming more and more apparent that the United States will not be going back to "business as usual" after Donald Trump leaves office, and it is easy to imagine that the anti-Trump parties will use their return to power as an opportunity to settle scores against the hated rubes and "deplorables" who dared attempt to oppose their betters in Washington, DC, California, and New York..... even more dangerous will be the deep state's return to a vaunted position of enjoying a near-total absence of opposition from elected officials in the civilian government. The FBI and CIA will go to even greater lengths to ensure the voters are never again "allowed" to elect anyone who doesn't receive the explicit imprimatur of the American intelligence "community."

......the extremity of the situation is suggested by the fact that Trump — who is only a very mild opponent of the status quo — has received such hysterical opposition...... for even these minor deviations, we are told, he must be destroyed.

In that situation, half the country — much of it from the half that calls itself "Red-State America" may regard itself as conquered, powerless, and unheard. That's a recipe for civil war.

But how can we take steps now to minimize this polarization the damage it is likely to cause?

The answer lies in greater decentralization and local autonomy......
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For which too many minds (the public) need to re-think what they believe is true ! o_Oo_Oo_Oo_O

This is not going to happen !
 

Richard Stanley

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This is not going to happen !
What, a civil war or "greater decentralization and local autonomy"?

......the extremity of the situation is suggested by the fact that Trump — who is only a very mild opponent of the status quo — has received such hysterical opposition...... for even these minor deviations, we are told, he must be destroyed.
My position about Trump, as discussed on my Trump thread, is that he is a straw man meant for precipitating whatever chaos is planned to achieve the next desired state of globalization. Thus, he does not deviate too far from the complained about status quo. In fact, his circus and bread for his political base has greatly enriched the same class of people who disproportionately prospered from the decades of Neoliberalism that Mises and Hayek unleashed upon us.

Suchender, did you watch the 3 videos explaining Neoliberalism and the role of the Mont Pelerin Society? And my critiques of its libertarianism 'paradoxically' pushed by the remnants of European monarchical families? And Saussy's Rulers of Evil, and what it implies about America's role ... as a stepping stone to what comes next?

Just like the prior Confederates in the prior (second) Civil War, Red State America has a separate culture. And such cultures, writ large, establish mental expectations, which when reality no longer meets the mental imagery, causes such as we are seeing. The exact same phenomenon is going on in other social domains, such as inside the global Catholic Church, where the Traditionalists are asserting that their pope is a heretic, while they are all convinced that their church's past was a utopia for all of humanity, at least the one's that survived their konformist bloodshed and hypocrisy on most all matters under the Sun.

Red State America, 'now' aligned with libertarianism, has convinced itself that there is only One Way, just like the Roman Catholic Church on life generally. Ironically, as I have discussed, even the Church in the late 19th century recognized the economic problem with its Rerum Novarum, which in my opinion did not go far enough and its desire was to keep the church as the ladle of social welfare -- to its political benefit. Hitler's "middle way" economics addressed this issue, but we know that there were darker agendas and power interests that overrode the beneficial aspects.

The result is that few are happy in the land that institutionalized the "pursuit of happiness", while those in northern Europe happily chose to adopt a middle way of the so-called "hybrid economy". This, where the best attributes of capitalism and socialism can be used where appropriate to the task. And, we do not have to depend upon the perverse Church or aggrandizing individuals for our safety net.

When the (second) Civil War (fighting Utah's Mormons was the first) was over, the USA was not the same as before. Federalism was much stronger, not more decentralization and local autonomy. This was necessary for the USA to play its global domination role in the next century, and now we await the future planned for us. The country is awash is agitation promoting such 'patriotic' rebellion, in many cases against deliberate government overreach, also seemed designed to agitate (like climate hysteria). For the former see:

 

Seeker

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Long before the Utah War, didn't Joseph Smith have "global domination" in mind for the Mormons, with him as the theocratic King of the World, and running for President the year that he was murdered, or was he "controlled opposition" that got out of hand and had to be eliminated in favor of Brigham Young ?
 

Richard Stanley

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I don't recall a global domination aspect, but yes, he had plans to run for president. Have you read Webster Tarpley's history on the Mormons (inspired by his research into the Romney's)? Mitt is like the #2 in the Mormon hierarchy, his ancestor was the architect for the first Mormon Tabernacle -- and a participant in the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
 

Richard Stanley

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Interesting. I think this can still be reconciled with Tarpley's position that Mormonism was intended as a covert British intent to mitigate the westward spread of the USA. I don't think there is any way that Smith could have cobbled this up either on his own or via some gold plates. Hence his dabbling with the masons and British contacts in the wake of the War of 1812. After Smith's time the British even came up with a plan to divvy up California between the Mormons and the Jesuits.
 

Claude Badley

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Fascist
The blue areas in the film do not have adequate land to feed themselves - a recipe for disaster, turning the big cities into concentration camps. I.e. the result is anything but stable.

The red areas cannot break from the Federal Reserve because this organization is dominated by Judaeo-Christians who will continue to rule over the muddled right-wing rabble. Only a Nazi-type uprising would be powerful enough to overthrow and destroy the Federal Reserve - but before that happens the Judaeo-Christians will try to get the Nazi-types (Aryan brotherhood, Posse Comitatus etc.) to wipe out the non-Whites, and vice versa, reducing the number and power of the masses so that the Judaeo-Christians continue to rule.

Best proof of this is Noam Chomsky's evasive comments on the Black-White IQ differences, a 15-point difference stable for decades. He knew the conflict was coming - and wants the poor to divide into mutual hate groups and wipe each other out (see his For Reasons of State pp. 358-363 and note 18 and especially note 26) despite his pretentious neutrality on the issue concealing his hidden agenda.

Yours faithfully
Claude

PS: I have a family member in Sydney unwell so I will be offline for over a week I suspect.
 
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Charles Watkins

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Clearly, Mormonism began as thinly disguised Masonry, but with utopian elements added. At the time Smith produced the Book of Mormon, stories of ancient America were all the rage, and since Egyptian had not yet been translated, he was free to create his opus. It seems likely someone was feeding him ideas.

When Mormonism was founded, Masonry was in disrepute due to a series of scandals and there was a vigorous anti-Mason movement. Mormonism sidestepped that and offered re-entry into the political arena. Smith's heresies were tolerated until he entered politics. (Incidentally, the Republican party was founded on the twin principles of abolitionism and anti-Mormonism.)
 
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Richard Stanley

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The California Macnamara Concession: http://www.reformation.org/california-nightmare.html

In Tarpley's book he names a specific British veteran of the War of 1812 that lingered on in America and came to influence Smith and his parents. Smith's parents were rather interesting as well. But, yes, upstate New York was a hotbed of the so-called American Awakening with all sorts of religious innovations occurring at the time. People were aware of the ruins of the mound civilizations being discovered as America moved west, that could play into this extended version of British-Israel.

http://tarpley.net/

About his book on Romney, Just Too Weird, and about the world domination aspect:

Tarpley reveals that Mormonism, Mitt Romney's tradition, is not actually a religion but a synthetic ideology sponsored by British intelligence, as part of their campaign of covert warfare against the United States.
The first Civil War took place in 1857 when the Mormons in Utah attempted to secede. Utah was selected as a strategic location which would break the United States in two between east and west.
The Romney family later moved to Mexico to avoid the ban on polygamy in the US.
To their credit most Americans believe in religious tolerance and separation of church and state. They find it unseemly to attack a candidate based on his religion. However, Mormonism is not actually a religion but a subversive political party that has donned the disguise of a religion for protection.
Even if it is a religion, a Mormon should not be holding high political and ecclesiastical offices at the same time.
Mitt Romney's loyalties are first and foremost to the Mormon cult, which is also fundamentally Zionist. Romney and Netanyahu are old friends.
More: If Romney Wins, Get Set for a Big Upsurge of Polygamy in the United States Webster G. Tarpley on Truth Jihad Radio with Kevin Barrett, October 12, 2012
 

Jerry Russell

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With the Civil War of 2020 now clearly under way, it's time to start identifying the combatants. Exhibit A: the cops are running absolutely amok, all over the country. Even given the problematic nature of "police culture" this behavior seems over the top, and begs the question of whether it's been centrally planned and coordinated.

Greg Doucette, a criminal defense attorney, set out to post ten videos of police brutality on Twitter. Then he just kept going, and as of this writing he's collected three hundred & seventeen.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1266751520055459847.html
 

Seeker

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Might as well go the whole nine yards with this. If we have Pestilence, Death, Famine, War, not to mention survival of a deadly head wound (impeachment of the "head" of the country) thus far in 2020, by the end of this year, after the "election", do we have "Conquest", presuming that the nominating conventions are not cancelled?
 

Jerry Russell

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The first phase of the Civil War of 2020 seems to be winding down. Perhaps the BLM and anti-fascists' high-water mark was the creation of the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone in Seattle, as discussed in this post. CHAZ (aka CHOP, or "Organized Protest") was established on June 8th. Its ongoing survival was such a thorn in the flesh of the "patriots", that by the 15th they were openly organizing to send "troops" to Seattle on the 4th of July. The stated goal was to reclaim the Zone and return the police precinct building to the officers, by peaceful means if possible, but by whatever means necessary.

After the initial flurry of reporting on those plans, their Facebook page was disbanded and everything went quiet. What happened? Did they get shut down, or did they go underground? It's now a moot question, because the CHAZ is already disintegrating under pressure, including the Seattle mayor's statement that "it's time for people to go home". Raz Simone, the alleged warlord, told CNN:

"The protesters of CHAZ have targets on their backs, and that is an issue," Simone told CNN. "A lot of peaceful protesters are being harmed, so it's sad that's where we're at in America."
As a result, Simone said "a lot of people are going to leave -- a lot of people already left."
A Twitter account owned by the zone's "Solidarity Committee" announced: "The CHOP project is now concluded."

I was out for a drive yesterday in downtown Eugene. The site of the protests looks neat & clean, although the most badly damaged buildings are still boarded up. Most businesses have reopened, and traffic levels looked almost normal. A late springtime in America? We shall see...
 

Seeker

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The first phase of the Civil War of 2020 seems to be winding down.
Some comparisons: (1) The "first" American Civil War had a preliminary secession phase (after a Presidential election), starting with South Carolina in December of 1860, before the first actual military engagement at Fort Sumter, a few months later the next year, (2) after the invasion of Poland in September 1939, the next phase of WWII was called the "Phony War", before all hell broke loose in Western Europe a few months later the next year, and (3) we now have the first phase of a coronavirus "pandemic", with a second wave predicted to follow in a few months also into next year. As far as a late springtime in 2020 America goes, remember the Arab Spring, what more is planned to happen by Inauguration Day 2021?
 
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Jerry Russell

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What I've called the first phase of the Civil War, was actually missing the defining aspect of anything that would deserve the name. That is, any real war involves a battle of two military forces in opposition. In the streets of America recently, events took place in two phases, and the two sides never really confronted each other.

First, guerilla forces supposedly loyal to Black Lives Matter and/or Antifa attacked the physical infrastructure of the cities. According to the mainstream media narrative, these were disorganized spontaneous attackers who were enraged by the murder of George Floyd. These guerilla forces engaged in riots, burned buildings, and looted businesses. This was an attack on civil society, primarily hurting small business owners and the local staff and employees of national chains. Some of these guerillas might have been provocateurs hired by right-wing interests or the government, although in most cases it is impossible to prove anything.

The police stood by and made little if any effort to prevent the destruction, while the mass media and big businesses largely sided with the guerillas. Or rather, while they didn't actually praise acts of destruction, they expressed solidarity with the cause. That is, the injustices of the past were humbly acknowledged, and the corporations pledged to do better. Democratic politicians, especially, took the knee and wore Kente cloth, and defunding the police was at the top of the agenda.

Nonviolent protesters expressing sympathy with BLM and opposing police brutality turned out in massive numbers. At that point the militarized police emerged from their earlier slumber to attack the peaceful protestors with tear gas, rubber bullets and batons. The national guard was called out, and Trump threatened to insert regular US military forces as well. None of this massive show of force was directed against left-wing militants, because they had basically disappeared from the scene, leaving only peaceful protests.

So, the bottom line is that peaceful civil society was assaulted first by allegedly left-leaning militants, and then again by militarized government police forces. However, the left-wing militants never directly confronted the police. This was not so much a Civil War, as a War on Civilians.

However, in terms of the mainstream narrative, events were definitely portrayed as Left vs. Right, and Blue vs. Red. Democrats, liberals and progressives generally took their stand with the BLM and Antifa, while Republicans, the alt-right, and white supremacists were more or less in solidarity with Trump, the National Guard and the police. While direct military confrontation between the forces was avoided, there was plenty of hand to hand combat on display on Facebook and Twitter threads.

Here in Eugene, where I can see the effects of the events directly, it seems that the violence was on a relatively small scale. By contrast, the peaceful protests were probably the largest that have ever happened here.

It was also evident that the protests were motivated by opposition to police brutality, and demands for equal justice for blacks, hispanics and native Americans in their communities. Now, a few weeks later, it's becoming increasingly clear that nothing along those lines is really changing.
 
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Richard Stanley

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Well, the Minneapolis City Council voted 12 to 0 to disband their police, I assume to follow the Camden, NJ model? Some of them are getting death threats, 'presumably' from the 'fragile' po po terrorists.

No doubt such actions will only excite the reactionary Right.
 
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