Chlorine Dioxide aka Miracle Mineral Solution

Ruby Gray

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So I can't say I know what's going on. But for now I'm going with my Malthusian eschatological biases, and taking Martenson's advice. I bought some elderberry syrup, and checked my supplies of N95 antiviral face masks.
I made 3.6 litres of elderberry syrup this week! If it had Sambucol labels, that would be a year's supply at 10 ml per day, for a cost of $480. I'm not sure of its effectiveness, but it sure tastes nice.

I have a lot of faith in Chlorine Dioxide as a broad-spectrum anti-pathogenic treatment. I have used this successfully for various complaints, and so has my uncle. He took it to West Papua with him 3 years ago, and treated many locals suffering from AIDS, hepatitis, malaria and TB, with all reporting that they were well afterwards. The TB sufferer had been sent home from hospital to die as nothing more could be done for him. After a week on ClO2, he was transformed from death's door to good health. The last communication from that area confirmed that all had remained healthy.

Then my uncle used it on himself for a life-threatening foot infection that was unresponsive to months of IV antibiotics. He was told he would need his leg amputated at the knee. He checked himself out of hospital and used ClO2 for a week, by which time the bone-deep ulcer was healing up. He then married a much younger lady and has been enjoying his octogenarian life ever since.
 

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Ruby Gray

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Hi, yes it is the same thing, known by its chemical formula name. It is derided as "bleach" which of course is sodium hypochlorite NaClO, but MMS is in fact a solution of chlorine dioxide, ClO2, made by activating (usual protocol) 3 drops of 22.4% sodium chlorite, NaClO2 with 3 drops of 4% hydrochloric acid, HCl, for about 30 seconds until it turns dark yellow, then diluting with half to one glass of water. This is drunk on an empty stomach once every hour for 8 hours of the day in the basic protocol.

They used to recommend citric acid for the activator, but this does cause nausea and intestinal upsets in some people due to gut bacteria that react to it. Hydrochloric acid is our natural stomach acid so is much less troublesome. The smell of the solution made with citric acid could be progressively nauseating, but HCl solves that too.

This dose is extremely dilute. But very effective. The scaremongering, irresponsible critics make out like people are chugging down bottles of sodium hypochlorite, and not investigating the science at all.

One unexpected thing I noticed when taking ClO2 for a few days, was that a raised, keloid surgical scar from 1983, began extruding dead skin from the scar line. This continued for weeks after I stopped taking it, until that scar is now flat and almost unnoticeable. It's like a natural process was set in motion that continued until resolution even after the catalyst was no longer present.

Another thing was the relief after spilling 2 litres of boiling water over my sock foot. I sprayed it with ClO2 every half hour or so, and never experienced any swelling, redness, blisters etc. Within half a day it was healed.

It is problematic that most of the information is anecdotal. But nobody is going to spend billions doing clinical trials on something that people can make themselves, or buy at $20 - $30 for a year's supply. We who use it are basically acting as the guinea pigs, just like medical scientists of yore did with every treatment we now take for granted.

A few years ago, much stronger doses - say 15 drops 3 times a day - were recommended, which was uncomfortable for people. Now, 3 drops x 8 hours / day is much gentler, but keeps up the level in the body better than 3 bolus doses at longer intervals. Apparently all the ClO2 has been used up in 1 hour, converted to microscopic amounts of NaCl and water. But I have taken 15 drops before bed, and can guarantee that it is the most wonderful remedy for insomnia. 5 minutes later I am drifting off for 8 hours uninterrupted sleep, while the ClO2 does whatever it does unnoticed.

One excellent use for this was described by a practitioner in New Zealand, in the dairy industry, where a particular form of mastitis is threatening hundreds of thousands of cows. The government solution is to slaughter all cows with this form of mastitis. But this guy developed a specific solution of ClO2 for injecting directly into the teats, one time only, which cured every cow within a day. Anyone who has had to treat any kind of bovine mastitis, whose livelihood depends on this, would recognise that here is the ultimate solution, with no milk withholding period, no residues, no chance of the bacteria becoming immune, farmer administered, at a very low cost with 100% effectiveness.

This phenomenal cure was discussed on a YouTube program which may now have been purged. I did save scores of these videos made by Mark Grenon, and hopefully they are not on the USB stIck that malfunctioned. If so, then I will have lots of helpful video info to share if requested.

ClO2 therapy is definitely effective against a huge range of pathogens and parasites. Used in the recommended dilution, it is safe. Definitely worth having on hand for experimentation. If I knew I was going to be in contact with coronavirus, I would be taking ClO2 daily. I caught swine flu a few years back when doing radiography during that episode. I believe that if I had ClO2 back then, I would not have suffered the flu, which of course, is untreatable by standard medicines.

"They" say that ClO2 cannot cure coronavirus, but how do they know?? What we do know is that there is NOTHING else that can cure it, and that a percentage of people who contract this virus -probably far greater than the touted "2.1%" - are going to die, no matter what. Apparently nobody has tried giving ClO2 to coronavirus patients, but I would. The ClO2 will not kill them, but it does kill viruses.
 
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Jerry Russell

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I have a lot of faith in Chlorine Dioxide as a broad-spectrum anti-pathogenic treatment.
Polarizing issues "R us" here at PF, yet I can hardly think of a chemical product that inspires such an extreme divergence of opinion as Chlorine Dioxide, aka Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS). While advocates such as Jim Humble, Andreas Kalcker, and the Genesis II Church describe it as a virtually miraculous cure for almost any infectious disease (including covid-19), the FDA views it as a life-threatening fraud.

Beth Mole, at Ars Technica, colorfully expresses the FDA position:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/08/the-fda-warns-not-to-drink-bleach-in-case-you-needed-that-reminder/

People are still drinking bleach—and vomiting and pooping their guts out
The “Church of Bleach” is still strong, despite years of warnings.
The US Food and Drug Administration this week released an important health warning that everyone should heed: drinking bleach is dangerous—potentially life-threatening—and you should not do it.
...When users prepare the solution as instructed, it turns into the potent bleaching agent chlorine dioxide, which is an industrial cleaner. It’s toxic to drink and can cause severe diarrhea, vomiting, life-threatening low blood pressure, acute liver failure, and damage to the digestive tract and kidneys. [....]
According to a June investigation by NBC News, poison control centers across the country have seen 16,500 cases involving chlorine dioxide since 2014. At least 50 of those cases were deemed life-threatening. Eight people died.
The NBC News investigation mentioned above, is rather amusing. While they do briefly mention the 50 life threatening cases and 8 deaths involving MMS since 2014, the story is mainly about a mother, Laurel Austin, who is giving MMS to her adult autistic children, Joshua and Jeremy Austin. The woman's ex-husband, Bradley Austin, is outraged, and has been trying to put a stop to it. But the police wouldn't intervene:

According to the investigation notes, after speaking to Bradley Austin, the officers went to Laurel Austin’s home. She told the officers that she was following Rivera’s chlorine dioxide protocol and said she’d seen improvement in her sons’ behavior since she began giving them the solution. The police observed both Joshua and Jeremy and determined they seemed to be happy and in good health and neither appeared to be in pain.
Although the NBC News reporter (Brandy Zadrozny) is incredulous, the bottom line is that the patients are doing fine. Unfortunately, we have nothing but Laurel's impressions to rely on when it comes to determining therapeutic effectiveness.

The FDA's characterization of the CD preparation as "dangerous and potentially life-threatening" needs to be considered in light of Paracelsus's maxum that "the dose makes the poison". Most if not all drugs become toxic at some dose, characterized as the median lethal dose (LD50) at which half of all the patients die. Hopefully, the therapeutically effective dose is well below the LD50 lethal dose. The ratio of the LD50 to the effective dose for 50% of patients (ED50) is called the Therapeutic Index.

I was surprised to learn that the Therapeutic Index for Tylenol is about 3. That is, the recommended effective dose is 3 grams a day (six extra strength tablets) and the lethal dose LD50 is 10 grams. Even 6 grams a day is enough to cause serious risk. According to an article at HuffPo, Tylenol overdose results in about 150 fatalities a year in the US, as well as 78,000 emergency room visits and 33,000 hospitalizations. Tylenol is also the leading cause of acute liver failure, according to the article.

The concept of Therapeutic Index for Chlorine Dioxide is arguably sketchy, in that there's nothing but anecdotal evidence that it's effective as a cure for anything at any dosage. But as Ruby Gray explained, there is a "standard protocol" which the practitioners recommend, so we can compare that protocol to the lethal dose of Chlorine Dioxide.

Wikipedia gives the LD50 for CD as 292 mg/kg in rats. Extrapolating to a typical 90kg adult male human, we get an LD50 of 26 grams. The standard formulation of the "Miracle Mineral Solution" is a mix of sodium chlorite with HCl, which retains some of the chlorite as well as the CD reaction product. The LD50 of sodium chlorite is similar to CD at 350 mg/kg.

The recommended daily dose of "MMS" is 3 drops of the sodium chlorite 22.4% solution, eight times a day. According to my math, that works out to 312 mg of sodium chlorite, so the Therapeutic Ratio is about 83.

Wikipedia says that a dose of 10 grams of sodium chlorite can be lethal, and even a single gram could be life-threatening to some individuals. Even using the latter figure, we have a safety factor of three. Less if we're considering a 45kg adult woman, or a child.

Kids, please check my math before you try this at home!! And furthermore, anybody who drinks bleach based on what they read on some blog on the Internet, is on their own. And I'm going through this exercise for evaluation purposes, and not meaning to make any recommendation.

If you ask my opinion, the risk benefit ratio is dubious. There's not as much safety margin as I'd ideally like, even assuming I've done the figures correctly.

But if it's true that MMS has a Therapeutic Index of 83, compared to Tylenol's ratio of 3: it seems to me that the FDA ought to spend more of their time railing against Tylenol, rather than putting MMS purveyors in prison.

And, my view of the risk benefit ratio would change if I contracted covid-19 and I couldn't get chloroquine!!

In the video below, Andreas Kalcker recommends mixing the sodium chlorite & the activating acid in a shot glass, and then allowing the chlorine dioxide to outgas from the solution. He then recaptures the gas into a new water solution, thus producing pure chlorine dioxide solution with no remaining chlorite.

Since most of the anecdotal testimonials involve the original MMS, there's no way to be sure whether the therapeutic effects (if any) are because of the chlorite, the CD, or both. But if one assumes the active ingredient is the chlorine dioxide, then the purified product is probably less toxic since it contains much less chlorine by weight.

[Edit 4/18/20: The video on making CDS keeps getting deleted! First YouTube censored it, then Vimeo. Now it's been posted to yet another hosting site, where the url is https://lbry.tv/@Kalcker:7/Cómo-hacer-CDS--ENG:5 . Videos at lbry.tv aren't supported for embedded view here.]

[Edit 5/1/20: the link at lbry.tv is broken now. It appears to be a technical glitch, rather than deliberate censorship. But meanwhile, here's another url that's working as of today:

https://elopage.com/s/naturalbiophysics/basic-course-clo2/preview?lesson_id=241038 ]
 
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Jerry Russell

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So I'm feeling encouraged with my hypothesis that the chlorine atom is responsible for the antiviral property, and that it might be similar in chloroquine and chlorine dioxide.
if one assumes the active ingredient is the chlorine dioxide, then the purified product is probably less toxic since it contains much less chlorine by weight.
After reviewing some basic chemistry, I'm going to scratch out these two wild speculations, and hope that nobody notices what a doofus I've been.

Chlorine dioxide is a highly volatile, unstable compound that's ready to react with anything to get rid of its poorly bonded oxygen atoms. Whereas the chlorine atom in chloroquine is in a reasonably stable covalent bond with the quinine molecule. Effects in vivo can be expected to be completely different.

In the "miracle solution", most of the sodium chlorite would dissociate into a Na+ ion and a ClO2- molecule. With the extra electron, the chlorite ion is slightly less reactive than an uncharged ClO2 molecule, since it's reduced by one step by taking on the electron from the sodium ion. So I would now expect the sodium chlorite to be a little less toxic than the CD solution, if indeed there's any difference.

And, I would expect the toxicity of ClO2 to be very similar at least equal to standard bleach (sodium hypochlorite, NaClO) because both of them are powerful disinfectants that work by violently oxidizing any living thing that comes in their path. Oxidation is a process that we know as "burning" or "combustion" when it happens on a large scale.

It's no wonder that doctors are skeptical about anecdotal reports that any of these bleach products are able to accomplish anything, except maybe kill the patient if there's an overdose.

BUT... is it possible that somehow the body's process of eliminating toxic CD from the body, could incidentally have some antimicrobial effect? From my naive point of view, biochemistry is enough of a mystery that I don't see how to rule anything out, except by testing.
 
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Jerry Russell

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What's the concentration here Jerry?
The video recommends a water treatment of 2 drops of 6% sodium hypochlorite solution (ordinary household bleach), per liter of water.

The bleach bottle from the supermarket at 6% concentration, corresponds to 60 grams per liter of NaClO.

1 drop = .065 ml. So, two drops contains (6.5x10-6) x 2 x 60 grams of the hypochlorite, or 7.8 milligrams.

Dilute the two drops into a liter of water, and you get 7.8 milligrams per liter.

An athlete might easily drink three liters a day, so the daily dose could be as large as 25 milligrams.

Contrary to my earlier speculation: according to the msds, sodium hypochlorite is considerably less toxic than chlorine dioxide, with an oral LD50 of 5800 mg/kg in rats. This would extrapolate to 522 grams for a 90kg human male. So the prepper's emergency water supply has a safety factor of over 20,000.

Still, I'm not sure I would recommend this method, except in an emergency. ClO2 is preferred for water disinfection. I understand that this is because its reaction products are less toxic, and perhaps because it tends to escape from the water solution as a gas after the disinfection process.

I find myself somewhat puzzled by my own calculation. The numbers above, suggest that a human male could also drink bleach straight from the bottle, and probably wouldn't die???? Really?? DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME, PEOPLE!!
 
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Jerry Russell

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ClO2 is preferred for water disinfection.
For this reason alone, I am thinking I might procure a supply. Should I buy MMS at retail, or make my own?

A persistent critical theme is that purveyors of "Miracle Mineral Solution" are making exorbitant, unconscionable profits by purveying snake oil to gullible people with desperate medical problems. So let's have a look at that.

The top shopping result for MMS at DuckDuckGo is www.mms-supplement.com, which offers a starter kit consisting of 125 ml of the 22.4% sodium chlorite solution, and 125 ml of 4% hydrochloric acid, for $28.90. Ruby's protocol calls for 24 drops of the mixture per day, which is 1.56ml. So, the starter kit is good for 160 days. Eighteen cents a day.

Buying the constituent products at Amazon in reasonable retail quantities:

One kilogram of 80% flakes of Sodium Hypochlorite costs $45.87. (I understand that the other 20% is mostly sodium chloride, aka table salt.) Each bottle of retail MMS contains 35 grams of this product, so each kilogram makes 28 bottles.

500 ml of 2.0M Hydrochloric Acid solution costs $26.50. This contains one mole of HCL, or 36.46 grams. The starter kit bottle contains 5 grams of HCL, so each bottle from Amazon makes seven of the retail MMS bottles.

Total cost of raw materials for the startup kit: $1.63 for the NaClO2, and $3.79 for the HCL, for a total of $5.42. So, MMS retail markup is 533%. From my limited experience in business, this seems like a completely ordinary retail markup for a niche product.

Let's compare to Chloroquine: Wikipedia states that the wholesale cost of a dose is 4 cents, while the retail price in the USA for that same generic dose is $5.30. More than 10,000 percent markup!

Who is doing the price gouging here?? Is it the much maligned, legally beseiged MMS-supplement.com? Or, the US pharmaceutical industry?

If you ask my opinion, the risk benefit ratio is dubious.
I am by nature very skeptical of any medical claims that aren't backed up by rigorous scientific clinical trials showing strong, unmistakable effects.

But as Ruby Gray noted:

It is problematic that most of the information is anecdotal. But nobody is going to spend billions doing clinical trials on something that people can make themselves, or buy at $20 - $30 for a year's supply. We who use it are basically acting as the guinea pigs, just like medical scientists of yore did with every treatment we now take for granted.
Ruby's anecdotal cures seem to go well beyond any sort of placebo effect. What she's describing sounds more like a "miracle".

To anybody else reading this, Ruby is just some anonymous source on the Internet. "She" could be a Chinese robot for all you know.

I've exchanged email and seen photos, and I have the impression that she's genuine, honest, and transparent.

So my own feeling is that her anecdotal testimony is worth a lot. I'm feeling regretful about my initial skepticism.

Anybody else reading this, is invited to remain skeptical. And even I must admit that I could be completely wrong about her. Ruby could be quite the honey pot... luring yours truly into the clutches of FTC and FDA vigilantes... :cool: But probably not.
 
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One thing that's surprising to me about the study, is the proposed dosage. Ten cc of 3000ppm CDS dissolved in a liter of water, per day. That's 30 milligrams of chlorine dioxide per day, do you agree? Under the old MMS preferred protocol, I'd calculated that the dose was 312 milligrams of chlorite + ClO2. The "Therapeutic Ratio" under the clinical trial protocol is somewhere close to 800 to one.
 

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Trump now is saying that maybe "disinfectant" will be effective against Coronavirus. Lysol says he can't possibly be talking about their products. Does this mean that we now have a Presidential endorsement for Chlorine Dioxide? And if so, what do we do with it?

I was also considering posting this to the "Trumping der Fuhrer" thread, as further evidence that Trump is trolling us.


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The plot thickens by the minute. I'm scanning through my Facebook feed, and all the Democrats are having a field day at Trump's expense and making jokes about drinking Lysol. One of Trump's many fans says "Hey, it might work!" And look at what she came up with...

https://www.austinozone.com/therapies/intravenous-hydrogen-peroxide-therapy

In bio-oxidative medicine, oxygen is introduced directly into the body as hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) or as ozone (O3). Although ozone is used safely and with great benefit throughout Europe and in many other parts of the world, the medical establishment in the United States refuses to recognize it as a valid therapy and actively persecutes doctors who use it. Luckily, hydrogen peroxide is not treated in this way, even though it is an equally powerful oxidative approach. [....]
The effect of singlet oxygen in the human body is twofold. It kills, or severely inhibits the growth of, anaerobic organisms (bacteria and viruses that use carbon dioxide for fuel and leave oxygen as a by-product). This action is immediate, on contact with the anaerobic organism. Anaerobic bacteria are pathogens, the organisms which cause disease. All viruses are anaerobic.
Aerobic bacteria (those that burn oxygen for fuel and leave carbon dioxide as a by-product — as humans do) found in the human intestine are friendly bacteria, which aid in digestion. These organisms thrive in the presence of hydrogen peroxide.
The second effect of hydrogen peroxide is that it provides singlet oxygen, which, in turn, transforms biological waste products and industrial toxins into inert substances by oxidizing them. This makes them easy to handle for the kidneys and liver. It doubles the rate of enzymatic metabolism in the mitochondria within each cell, thus enabling the body to cleanse itself of toxins and still have plenty of energy to handle the business of living from moment to moment. This increase in metabolism probably accounts for some of the antibacterial, antifungal, and antiviral effects of hydrogen peroxide.
 

Richard Stanley

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The wife of CNN host Chris Cuomo used Clorox baths, among other things to treat her Covid-19 infection. The article goes on to quote various medical experts, one of which made the inane comment that the skin forms a barrier to chemicals, and could thus only irritate the skin. I guess he forgot about skin patches for medicines and hormones. The skin actually adsorbs a lot of stuff into the body.

I can't quite figure out what the metals and radiation have to do with Covid-19, or maybe something got confused. Maybe she uses Clorox more generally?

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As President Donald Trump appeared to question Thursday whether disinfectant could be used to treat coronavirus patients – to the dismay of medical professionals – Cuomo says she adds "½ cup ONLY of Clorox" to her bathwater to "combat the radiation and metals in my system and oxygenate it."
"We want to neutralize heavy metals because they slow-up the electromagnetic frequency of our cells, which is our energy field, and we need a good flow of energy," Cuomo explains.
She adds there is "no danger in doing this," comparing it to "a simple naturopathic treatment."
The official Clorox website disagrees, stressing that their bleach "is NOT recommended for personal hygiene of any kind–consumers should always avoid direct skin and eye contacts with both undiluted bleach, as well as prolonged contact with the various bleach solutions we recommend for household cleaning and laundry ... using a bleach and water solution for bathing is not approved by the EPA and should not be done.”
On Friday, the White House responded to the growing backlash towards the president's comments with a statement that blamed the "media" for "irresponsibly" quoting Trump out of context. ...
 

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The article says that Mrs. Cuomo also used "nontoxic quinine" and zinc as part of her vitamin cocktail. Quinine is more toxic than HCQ but similarly renowned for its antimalarial properties. As the orange man said: "What have you got to lose?"

I can't quite figure out what the metals and radiation have to do with Covid-19
This is a very common "alternative medicine" view, isn't it? That the immune response can be improved by getting rid of heavy toxic metal contamination, and that cell phone radiation is dangerous? Although it's news to me that anyone would recommend a Clorox bath for that purpose.

The skin actually adsorbs a lot of stuff into the body.
The article goes on to mention that clorox is used topically for eczema. Who knew.

And then this guy Dr. Rowen showed up somewhere on my Facebook feed. Maybe I'll ask him how Chlorine Dioxide compares to ozone, or hydrogen peroxide. My very naive guess is that they'd all have similar effects.

https://clinmedjournals.org/articles/jide/journal-of-infectious-diseases-and-epidemiology-jide-6-113.php?jid=jideRobert

A Plausible "Penny" Costing Effective Treatment for Corona Virus - Ozone Therapy
The world already has a most inexpensive, safe, and likely effective remedy for deadly viral diseases, which exploits their redox vulnerability at critical membrane cysteine/tryptophan fusion sites. Ozone therapy could be easily deployed worldwide, even in very poor countries. With few conventional treatments for viral pneumonia, this epidemic could provide impetus to study ozone therapy very ethically under the auspices of an institution's review board in treating, with ozone therapy, seriously ill patients, who might otherwise expire. Milder cases could also be treated to study the ability of ozone therapy to slow or halt clinical deterioration. Such study could bring ozone therapy to the forefront of all-around infectious disease management, providing answers to our growing problems with resistant infection. Governments should take notice.
 

Richard Stanley

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I believe that at one time, at least, that UV ozone generators were used to disinfect hospital rooms. I owned one, but can't really report if it did any good or not. There were several alt-doctors who swore by ozone therapy, but like other similar things, too much of a good thing is bad.

There are also some alt-doctors you will give H2O2 IVs and claim that it has dramatically positive benefits. Some people swallow diluted H2O2 and I have tried this with no problem, including in my nasal washes. A lot of people use the same to rinse their teeth and gargle with no problem either. Best to use food-grade rather than the stuff from the pharmacy or drug store though, as the latter has chemical stabilizers.
 

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Both ozone and chlorine dioxide are, of course, highly toxic to the lungs in gaseous form. Hydrogen Peroxide is a liquid at room temperature.

A search on Amazon turns up these four books:

Hydrogen Peroxide: Medical Miracle, by William Campbell Douglass II, MD

'Less is more' when it comes to the small molecule hydrogen peroxide - H2O2 - and the role it plays in maintaining health and fighting diseases. Discover how the miraculous healing agent works, why it's a 'natural' and 'bio-identical' substance, and it's multiple medical applications.

Hydrogen Peroxide: Miraculous Cures, by Sandra Levins

Hydrogen Peroxide is a natural substance that most people simply overlook. What you are about to find out will literally blow your mind. That a substance you can get inexpensively almost anywhere can boost your health, heal, save you money, and so much more. The truth is - Hydrogen Peroxide does so much, yet the big companies simply can not market it so unfortunately most people are unaware of just how amazing this substance in the brown bottle can be.
Hydrogen Peroxide Miracles! by Brad Tomson

Did you know hydrogen peroxide has many amazing health and healing benefits? Did you know its unique substance can be used to cure aliments, improve your skin, used throughout the house, and much more?
Hydrogen peroxide is a natural substance that people often overlook. Which is wrong. This substance has some unique powers that will blow your mind. It can do wonders for your home, health, and help you make some easy homemade remedies - and its super cheap!
The Miracle of Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy by Anthony di Fabio

Hydrogen Peroxide therapy has been known and used since before the American Civil War. It has many surprisingly good results and a multitude of good uses for many different diseases. Many Alternative Medical Doctors in America and across the world do practice this therapy. The information in this article is primarily due to Charles Farr M.D., Ph.D. and Dr. Gordon Josephs.

Did somebody say "Miracle Mineral Solution"? Where have we heard that before? Oh wait, that was some other kind of bleach.

Both ozone and H2O2 seem to be recommended primarily for intravenous use. High concentration H2O2 is very dangerous taken orally.

However, Dr. Richard Cheng, Dr. Frank Shallenberger and Dr. Thomas Levy suggest that nebulized hydrogen peroxide can be absorbed directly into the lungs, creating dramatic improvement for upper respiratory conditions. Cheng and Levy think there's nothing to lose by trying it for covid.

http://www.drwlc.com/blog/2020/03/21/hydrogen-peroxide-nebulizer-to-treat-covid-19-infection/
 

Richard Stanley

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It might be good to note that one of the means that immune cells use to destroy infectious cells is to release H2O2 onto them. Of course, this is a very targeted mechanism.
 

Richard Stanley

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Jerry, what is the difference between swimming in a typical chlorinated pool versus taking a bath with 1/2 cup of chlorine bleach in it?
 

Jerry Russell

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According to hunker.com, swimming pools are chlorinated at a rate of 3/4 cup of "liquid chlorine" per 50,000 gallons of water. Leslie's Pool supply says that their "liquid chlorine" product is about 3x stronger than standard household bleach. So, the equivalent dose of bleach would be 2.25 cups of bleach in 50,000 gallons of water. Or, half a cup for every 11,000 gallons.

A generous-sized bathtub holds about 110 gallons of water. So, the Cuomo prescription is about 100x stronger than the swimming pool. Convenient how those numbers turned out...
 
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