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Richard Stanley

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Yes, there is 'some' similarity. In that I allow the complicity of elites, of which some can be classified as 'Jews'. However, as we've discussed long before (in the old days with John Kaminski), it is a problem of whether the dog is wagging the tail or the tail is wagging the dog. Big difference Jer.

The definitive signature of a Traditionalist Catholic and cryptoTraditionalist Catholics, like C, is the strident agitprop that they have been infiltrated by the synagogue of Satan. This 'only' works against ignorant rubes, of which sadly the majority of the populace unfortunately is. This same general ignorance is what allowed WASP America to be so easily cuckholded by C's duplicitous ilk. Ironic since it was the Jesuits and other Catholics like Lords Bute and Baltimore who contrived with the Freemasons in creating the USA in the first place. George III was their Donald Trump.

If you read our OT analysis, the Word of God states plainly that the tribe of Judah (presumably writ small?) is subservient to the (Egyptian royal tribe) of Ephraim. It stated that the red headed tribe of Esau would regain their primacy (they did in 70 CE with the help of Judah), and John XXIII stated that he was the Jews' Joseph, reuniting the biblical "two sticks" prophecy (each tribe surrounding the tabernacle of Moses and Aaron was represented by an inscribed stick, as per Egyptian practice).

9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. (Revelation 2 KJV)​

This John of Patmos sure seems to like the REAL Jews wouldn't you say?
 

Richard Stanley

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David Icke supposedly wouldn't know about the Reptilians if someone in the British royal household hadn't clued him in. What does that tell you?

As I've related elsewhere, the first known anecdote about the Reptilians is a funny story about one of the Anjou nobility stating that he spied on his wife changing clothes, through a keyhole. He saw her reptilian form then, and strangely she was never seen again. Did he murder her, or did the outed reptile scurry into a burrow? You decide, as usual.
 

Jerry Russell

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as we've discussed long before (in the old days with John Kaminski), it is a problem of whether the dog is wagging the tail or the tail is wagging the dog.
As you might remember from the old days with John Kaminski, he was never convinced either.

Getting back to my questions: "If there is really a single cabal that runs the New World Order, isn't it odd that we can't identify who are the central individuals in this conspiracy?"

Would you be willing to make some more explicit comments about who, in your view, are the most powerful actors today? Is the Pope a major player? Buffet, Soros, Gates? Who has inherited the blessing of Ephraim, exactly? I'm not even sure I understand why you would equate Ephraim with Egyptian royalty.

In criticism of Collectivist's view that the Jesuits are crypto-Jews who have taken control of the Catholic Church, that the Donmeh are in control of Turkey, etc., I'd just like to point out the real challenges facing any crypto-society. Namely, by definition, these cryptos are prevented from openly proselytizing for their views, or from recruiting from the broader society. They can only hope to maintain their numbers by inbreeding, and they can only exercise their influence by duplicitous means. Meanwhile, at every generation, their numbers are depleted by the natural process of youthful rebellion, as crypto-teenagers adopt the culturally dominant views. Or, more likely, young cryptos generate some creative syncretism or synthesis of their own.

So, to what extent should Ignatius Loyola be viewed as a loyal card-carrying Crypto Jew of the Synagogue of Satan? How do we know he wasn't exactly what he appeared to be -- namely, the inventor of a creative synthesis of Christianity with Jewish mysticism? And regardless of what he was (really), wasn't his impact on history based on the words he wrote, and the devotion he inspired? And, why did the Pope commission Loyola's order to do the work of the Counter-Reformation? Wasn't this because he thought Loyola would benefit the Catholic cause? If this was an "infiltration", is it reasonable to think of the Pope as a stupid, innocent dupe?

And should we call Collectivist a crypto-Catholic? Isn't he more like a neo-Catholic?
 

Richard Stanley

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As you might remember from the old days with John Kaminski, he was never convinced either.
John only pretended to not be convinced. He would repeatedly return to the traditional Catholic mantra.

Getting back to my questions: "If there is really a single cabal that runs the New World Order, isn't it odd that we can't identify who are the central individuals in this conspiracy?"

Would you be willing to make some more explicit comments about who, in your view, are the most powerful actors today? Is the Pope a major player? Buffet, Soros, Gates? Who has inherited the blessing of Ephraim, exactly? I'm not even sure I understand why you would equate Ephraim with Egyptian royalty.
Yes, I would Jerry. I remember this guy .... uhm .... his name was Jerry, who came up with this concept of "Submergence"' -- of a pre-existing ruling elite. The rationale for such a concept was that after so much time a particular ruling elite would need to disguise its influence as the respective underlying society transforms, by default necessity and circumstances beyond the elites control. Thus, for instance, the Normans in Britain allowed the notion to spread that they no longer held sway, but an examination of Norman names in Britain seems to demonstrate the reverse.

The Euro-nobility was long noted for the frequent claim of descent from Christ, in various formulations. With Mr. Atwill's strong assertion that Titus Flavius is really that grafted Christ, then we have some possible notion of how the Euro-royals could make such claims. This given that it was well known that the Caesareans liked to make alliance marriages with the various European tribes as they conquered them. This was how Europe became Romanized ... and Christianized in such relatively rapid order. And just as Jesus (Titus) Christ was noted as the King of Kings, the papacy has ever advertised itself as the oldest as premier crown of Europe (and by extension the whole world).

And please keep in mind the focus of the Euro-royals on maintaining intermarriage amongst themselves as one happily contentious, interbred family. Diana Spencer was no blood bumpkin BTW.

I suggest that with the downfall of the Orange Beast, and his successor, that global humanity will be very happy to accept a new savior supposedly from this 'ancient' lineage. I mean, just look at how those egalitarians have fucked things up (with their help).

This, as I have repeatedly stated, is the true goal of a revanchist, ultramontane, Traditional Catholic and cryptoCath like C.

He wants us to watch all his Catholic agitprop, but I guarantee you that he will not watch anything like Michael Moore's docu Where to Invade Next, merely because Moore is a 'snowflake. That Moore's dozen or so aspects covered have been successfully placed into operation in their respective countries is beside the point to C. They don't conform to his reactionary dogma, end of story. The sardonic truth is that each of these concepts was invented in America, a country founded by 'liberal's, and cuckverted into a nation of drooling, paranoid, dog whistle, 'Conserva-goobers'. This is the problem with do-gooding, politically correct, feckless sheep (right or left). And the sheepdogs that herd them.
 

Jerry Russell

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I remember this guy .... uhm .... his name was Jerry, who came up with this concept of "Submergence"'
I thought the guy's name was Rick... anyway if I came up with that description, I was only giving a name to the concept.

global humanity will be very happy to accept a new savior supposedly from this 'ancient' lineage.
I didn't see any cabal members specifically named above, other than Titus Flavius, and Diana. But I take it you're saying that for the true members of the elite cabal, we should look to the pure line of inter-married European royalty. Which would include the Hofjuden class as well, I assume.

So how do we get down to specifics here? Burke's Peerage? Springmeier's "Bloodlines of the Illuminati"? Does Icke keep a list of confirmed or suspected reptiles?

it was well known that the Caesareans liked to make alliance marriages with the various European tribes as they conquered them.
Wouldn't you expect that this sort of opportunistic intermarriage is a constant process? And, over many generations, doesn't it lead to a hopeless mess when it comes to figuring out who's in and who's out?
 

Richard Stanley

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I thought the guy's name was Rick... anyway if I came up with that description, I was only giving a name to the concept.
But you don't believe in it?

I didn't see any cabal members specifically named above, other than Titus Flavius, and Diana. But I take it you're saying that for the true members of the elite cabal, we should look to the pure line of inter-married European royalty. Which would include the Hofjuden class as well, I assume.
They are the only two members of the cabal.

Wouldn't you expect that this sort of opportunistic intermarriage is a constant process?
Yes
And, over many generations, doesn't it lead to a hopeless mess when it comes to figuring out who's in and who's out?
No
 

Jerry Russell

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But you don't believe in it?
Yes, but not as a completely sufficient model. When one elite group submerges, another remains in power. Then later on, the submerged group needs to struggle, drawing on saved resources and old connections, to make a partial recovery. A dynamic and complex process. Rinse and repeat frequently, to end up with a chaotic system with no center.

They are the only two members of the cabal.
You mean Titus and Diana? Or, the intermarried Euro-royals and Hofjuden fellow travelers? I assume you mean the latter.

A hopeless mess? ->
Then we have a testable hypothesis here. You say that this is a closed, defined population. We should be able to do genealogy charts. Even a single sample of royal DNA should be sufficient to confirm the extent of inbreeding.
 

Richard Stanley

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Yes, but not as a completely sufficient model. When one elite group submerges, another remains in power.
How do you know that? Maybe they are SIMO's, aka Submerged in minds only.

You mean Titus and Diana? Or, the intermarried Euro-royals and Hofjuden fellow travelers? I assume you mean the latter.
No, I mean Titus and Diana are the only members. Everyone else is submerged.

Then we have a testable hypothesis here. You say that this is a closed, defined population. We should be able to do genealogy charts. Even a single sample of royal DNA should be sufficient to confirm the extent of inbreeding.
Generally yes. One needs to consider the various historical flows, and branches. Such as the aristocratic ebbs and flows out of Rome, to Venice, Sabaudia, and beyond.

One can easily see that there clear visual differences between the interbred Euro-nobility families and their serfs. Usually the illegitimate offspring between the two ended up in the gentry class.
 

Richard Stanley

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To counter the Reverse Group Think and bald ultramontane Catholic agitprop by this thread originator, I provide the following brief movie review excerpt about Michael Moore's documentary. I picked it because it has a brief listing of the approaches to various societal problems, of which the approaches were all invented in America.

As a reformed radical libertarian (and even a Libertarian group thinker once), I eventually had to confront the reality that America's once thriving middle class, that I grew up into, was indeed the creation such as FDR's New Deal. I can already hear Collectivist's (C's) sphincter tightening into a painful cramp. Besides the mere mention of Moore's name, the last excerpted sentence will be enough for C and his ilk to turn his closed mind. Unfortunately, for C, most of these approaches don't, or shouldn't impact a country's aggregate spending, and/or they would by offset by the benefits they produce.

In California, the prison population is greater than the entire population of some other American states. And most of these prisoners are from drug related offenses. Here, Portugal decided to take the proper libertarian approach and legalize ALL drugs. The results have been dramaticly positive, but from the perspective of the relatively new American prison corporations this is a disaster. These prisons are nice for neoRomantics like C because they are essentially slave barracks and slave factories rolled into one profitable enterprise. Who needs China anymore for cheap labor? C's hero, Agent Orange Leaks, will be expanding these job producing facilities.

C let's have a discussion about this stuff AND about systematic pedophile Catholic priests.

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Where to Invade Next is Moore squeezing a whole movie/travelogue out of this approach – going from country to country looking for places where they do things better.

These include Italy, France, Finland, Iceland, Portugal, Germany, Norway, Slovenia, Tunisia and even Iran (which ostensibly leads the world in stem cell research).

Between when I first saw this film at the Toronto International Film Festival and now, it occurs to me that it has morphed into a Bernie Sanders campaign film.

Slovenia is the country with free tuition that Moore settles in – though he could have gone with Germany, which he singles out as a country that faces its nasty past much better than America does.

Germany is also apparently a pretty good place to work in a high-tech factory, as is Italy with its two-hour lunches and 30 days of vacation annually.

In Portugal, drugs are legal and rehab is free. In Norway, prison terms are capped at 21 years, parole is liberal and recidivism is low. In France, kids have very balanced, very French school lunches with water (and make faces when they taste Coke for the first time). For a guy who’s always trying to be funny, the kids’ first taste of Coke is actually the only outright hilarious moment.

And of course, in Iceland, after the financial meltdown in 2008, they threw a whole bunch of bankers in jail.

It’s all very upbeat, with the somewhat sad epitaph of Moore “discovering” that many of the public benefits and approaches these countries adopted were actually invented in America in more liberal times (if you saw Capitalism: A Love Story, you know Moore is a devotee of the Second New Deal that FDR never lived to implement).

Like any polemic, Where to Invade Next is selective. The dire financial straits of many of these countries is not mentioned, for example. ...

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/02/25/where-to-invade-next-review-michael-moores-global-tour-entertaining

 

Richard Stanley

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One of the approaches covered in Moore's docu (above) is the remarkable success of Finland in adopting some American ideas (rejected by reactionary thinking in America).

It really gets to the issues of that most all children love to learn, just not in the factory type approach that the Prussians saddled us with long ago. Their approach inherently overcomes the elitism that both American elites and the hillbillies agree upon. Namely that the American hillbillies like that the elites have incredible advantages, even though they hate the elites (except, of course, when the pander to them with big lies). This is because their God told them that this is the way it should be.

How does Finland accomplish this. There are no elite private schools, their are no voucher schools. All the schools are run the same and they all have the same resources, meaning they are are not funded like American public schools through the unequal property tax apportionment system. Oh heavens. But, Agent Orange Leaks wants to recreate a system of religious schools (ala the Jesuits' system) funded by secular taxpayers. The money of which will be removed from the public schools, that once built the great American middle class. If the public schools once worked, they should be fixed, and made even better, not destroying them in the course of creating more backwards thinkers.

Yes, let's get rid of Group Think cuckholded into American polity by the crypto-revanchists, like George W. Bush's 'teaching to the tests', the rhetorically phony No Child Left Behind. This is the opposite of the successful Finnish system.

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Everyone agrees the United States needs to improve its education system dramatically, but how? One of the hottest trends in education reform lately is looking at the stunning success of the West's reigning education superpower, Finland. Trouble is, when it comes to the lessons that Finnish schools have to offer, most of the discussion seems to be missing the point.

The small Nordic country of Finland used to be known -- if it was known for anything at all -- as the home of Nokia, the mobile phone giant. But lately Finland has been attracting attention on global surveys of quality of life -- Newsweek ranked it number one last year -- and Finland's national education system has been receiving particular praise, because in recent years Finnish students have been turning in some of the highest test scores in the world.

Finland's schools owe their newfound fame primarily to one study: the PISA survey, conducted every three years by the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). The survey compares 15-year-olds in different countries in reading, math, and science. Finland has ranked at or near the top in all three competencies on every survey since 2000, neck and neck with superachievers such as South Korea and Singapore. In the most recent survey in 2009 Finland slipped slightly, with students in Shanghai, China, taking the best scores, but the Finns are still near the very top. Throughout the same period, the PISA performance of the United States has been middling, at best.

Compared with the stereotype of the East Asian model -- long hours of exhaustive cramming and rote memorization -- Finland's success is especially intriguing because Finnish schools assign less homework and engage children in more creative play. All this has led to a continuous stream of foreign delegations making the pilgrimage to Finland to visit schools and talk with the nation's education experts, and constant coverage in the worldwide media marveling at the Finnish miracle. ...
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/
 

Jerry Russell

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So are we to conclude that FDR's new deal, as well as all the progressive initiatives happening in "Italy, France, Finland, Iceland, Portugal, Germany, Norway, Slovenia, Tunisia and even Iran", are all in spite of strenuous opposition by the elite European nobility? If they were sufficiently all-powerful, wouldn't they squelch all these slave rebellions in the bud?
 

Richard Stanley

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So are we to conclude that FDR's new deal, as well as all the progressive initiatives happening in "Italy, France, Finland, Iceland, Portugal, Germany, Norway, Slovenia, Tunisia and even Iran", are all in spite of strenuous opposition by the elite European nobility? If they were sufficiently all-powerful, wouldn't they squelch all these slave rebellions in the bud?
No Jerry, you naughty Devil's Advocate Straight Man.

As Lewy pointed out in his Nazi Germany and the Catholic Church, there was a heavy cost for accomplishing the hidden agenda of the war. Lewy did not go into this, but the agenda was to achieve the new state of Israel, paid for with the mystical 6 million lives. The cost to the Catholic Church, as I've explained before, was that so many Europeans witnessed the Church's (both the Catholics and the Lutherans -- who will be Catholic again soon) perfidy in collusion with the Nazis, and this drove the levels of liberal disbelief and low church attendances seen in Europe.

In contrast, this was not observed first hand by Americans. The Americans who were fighting in Europe were too busy fighting to care about what the churches did or did not. As a result America has had to suffer the dangerous apocalyptic idiocies of the Christian Right, driven by the very same Church, but the American wing this time.
 

Jerry Russell

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there was a heavy cost for accomplishing the hidden agenda of the war.
This is exactly what I'm saying. These reactionary elitist schemes are implemented at a heavy cost, namely that they inspire resistance by the people. Also, the role of figures such as FDR in bringing about progressive reforms such as the New Deal should not be under-rated, even while recognizing that FDR's role in WWII was consistent with Zionist aims.

And I'm not trying to deny that elite conspiracies can and do occur, either. I'm just saying that such conspiracies could be organized on an ad hoc basis, without requiring that the same small cabal of royals is always responsible. The appearance of a consistent plan might be caused by the centrifugal force exerted by persistent memes.
 

Richard Stanley

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This is exactly what I'm saying. These reactionary elitist schemes are implemented at a heavy cost, namely that they inspire resistance by the people.
Sorry I trapped you Jerry. My contention has always been that there is a long game, and the wee people cannot afford to play the long game anywhere near as well. The Church, being a functionary institution of the globalist enterprise, its holy book being explicitly Zionist, and its functionaries like Collectivist being covertly Zionist, can wait out such ebbs in support. After the generational memory wanes, players like John Paul II and Francis have proved very popular, in case you haven't noticed. And Rome has seized complete power on the Potomac, even better than before.

http://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?posts/7577/
 

Jerry Russell

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This 'wee people' thing is self-deprecating. It's "We The People". Who says that secularists can't play a long game, or that our memes aren't just as good as their memes?

Give Collectivist a break. He's explicitly denounced the Catholic Church and denied the divinity of Jesus. He just has this bizarre idea that the Roman church is being secretly run by Chabad Lubavitch, rather than the other way around.
 

Richard Stanley

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This 'wee people' thing is self-deprecating. It's "We The People". Who says that secularists can't play a long game, or that our memes aren't just as good as their memes?
Is 'self-deprecating' a complement or an insult? Or neither? The USA is no longer "We the People", Jerry, if ever it was IMHO. And now with that Trojan whore from the Mont Pelerin monarchists, Ayn Rand, it is even less so. With her, the wee people are pitted agin one another in yet another variation. One moment a philosophical machinist from the Carolinas is an aspiring magnate and the next, after getting his pink slip (because his wages were too high), he is a lazy leach sucking away at the vitality of the wonderful people who never sweat except at the spa. But don't worry, the Zionist / white supremicist, Mike Bannon will save us from the wrong form of Crapitalism, wont he Collectivist. The right form of Bannon Crapitalism is to shower Dear Leader, Agent Orange Leaks, with more caste [sic] gold. Of course, I am cognizant that we may have a Catholic President Pence soon, as Agent Orange Leaks may indeed have some planned obsolescence.

Your use of the secularists is inappropriate here Jerry. There are good secularists and bad ones. The proper Postflavaian distinction here is the wee people against the magnates, even though there may be some bad wee's and some good magnates from time to time.

Give Collectivist a break. He's explicitly denounced the Catholic Church and denied the divinity of Jesus. He just has this bizarre idea that the Roman church is being secretly run by Chabad Lubavitch, rather than the other way around.
I took that as a pretty tepid denunciation, if one could even categorize it as such. as he had a pretty strong defense of them lately. Any Catholic, especially a priest, can get a dispensation to denounce the Church and Jesus Christ, if done for the cause.

Have you taken this Devil's Advocate mantle to heart?
 

Jerry Russell

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Have you taken this Devil's Advocate mantle to heart?
Since when is Collectivist a stand-in for The Devil? I didn't even see any defense of the Catholics, in general. All he said is that he likes Trump's immigration policy. The rest of it is just your extrapolation.
 

Richard Stanley

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All he said is that he likes Trump's immigration policy. The rest of it is just your extrapolation.
Of course, he likes alt-President Agent Orange Leaks immigration policy.

Just like Dubya couched his early post 9/11 actions in Crusader terminology, while qualifying himself later on (saying "this is not a war on Islam"), the "targeted immigration policy" has been surrounded from the top with Muslim Ban terminology, of which the amateurish (on purpose) Bannon/Miller crafted executive order was immediately used as an extremist propaganda tool. That's what they wanted all along. The executive order was also crafted to fail in the courts so that Agent Orange Leaks could have the courts and the media to rail against in rallying his wee wee Brown Shirts.

Dubya's Mission was indeed Accomplished, just that most people didn't understand what the real Mission was.

I would change my mind on his immigration policy if we could get rid of all Catholics, which is fast becoming, once again, the catholic catch-all term for all Christians.

Jerry, please note that he had no complaint, no response, about my exposure of him as a Zionist. I exposed his hero, alt-President Agent Orange Leaks as a Zionist, and he did not rebut, because there can be no rebuttal to the clear facts. And just after this, Trump announced his rejection of the two-state solution in line with Israel's desires. Who cares about relocating the embassy then.

However, he did take notable exception to my characterization of his institutionally pedophilic co-religionists, and I take that as a backhanded admission of his true nature and mission, to cuckhold us with nonstop propagandic nonsense. If you desire I will backtrack though all his dreck and demonstrate this. But I'd rather focus on other matters.
 
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