"Belief in the holocaust is enormously more important than the christian religion"

smith

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Jerry, it might be because there was a holocaust, and holocaust denial should be dismissed. The gas chamber story is part of the holocaust narrative but is not the same thing, obviously.
Vrbra, to my recollection, never said that he saw gas chambers in operation at Auschwitz.
 

Jerry Russell

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Jerry, it might be because there was a holocaust, and holocaust denial should be dismissed. The gas chamber story is part of the holocaust narrative but is not the same thing, obviously.
This brings me back to my first point: if we're all in agreement that there was a holocaust, and that much of the holocaust narrative is true, then why do revisionists focus so much attention on Auschwitz gas chambers? Also, I think Richard and Tyrone's comments about the broader context are equally valid regardless of the technology used for ethnic cleansing of the Jews from Europe.

Vrbra, to my recollection, never said that he saw gas chambers in operation at Auschwitz.
Here is one place where he talks about seeing the gas chambers in operation. From your link, p. 2:

Q. MR GRIFFITHS: Q. So Dr Vrba, Exhibit 16 I am showing now on the screen, can you tell us what you saw?

A. I came from the night shift where several transports during the night arrived, but I was exchanged on the night shift approximately at five o'clock in the morning and broke into my barracks for sleep. Instead of sleeping, I get out from the barrack and walk over to Block 27 to the mortuary to talk to my friend, Wetzler. This mortuary had a window on this side.

Q. Indicating on the side closest to the crematoria?

A. On the side closest to the crematoria. So that when I, before the window, in front of the window was a table, and on the table coffee was served, or tea. The dead were around this table. There was such a corner with paper and coffee and a window. While I was drinking my coffee I could see that the people from the night which I had seen arrive, most of them were not seen but there were several hundred, first on this yard which was enclosed with electric fences, and with tower guards, and they went into this building which is known to us as

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Krematorium No. II. This Krematorium No. II had, apart from buildings, long bunkers which were approximately the height of two such tables. Say the bunker was about this height, above a head of a human being.

Q. All right. You are indicating about six and a half, seven feet?

A. I would think so. In other words, a man who would climb on it would have to lift his hands and sort of make an exercise in order to swing himself on top of the bunker. This bunker had air lifts, openings for airing, approximately three or four, along, which were covered by wooden or some lid which was easily removable.

THE COURT: Covered by ---

THE WITNESS: Lids. From the distance I couldn't see if it was a wooden or a metallic lid. Then I saw Sanitäts Dienst Gefreiter, which is ---

Q. And you called it ....

A. The sanitation service corporal. And he came having about four or five of those Zyklon tubes which I knew very well from loading into the Red Cross van. And he came to the bunker and he put them down, and then he started to put those lids, those tins on top of the bunker until he had them all on. And then he climbed on the bunker by holding on his hands and in a sporty way swinging himself over, which attracted my attention because it was not usually the demeanour of S.S. men to make sport. He then, on top of this bunker, took out a gas mask which he had hang over and put on the gas mask, and with something which, from a distance of about fifty yards, opened the lid of the Zyklon-B tubes, which was well-known to me from distance, and then he went to

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one of the vents in a leisurely step, opened the vent and shoved in the content of the tin in the vent in a leisurely way, and when he was finished he a couple of times has hit the ---

Q. Indicating tapped the tin.

A. Tapped on that opening. Then he closed the opening, opens the tin, again in a rather leisurely way, having the gas mask on, and went to the next vent where the procedure was repeated until he dropped into each vent one or two of those tins -- sometimes one, sometimes two. And when he cleared it he took the empty vents to the edge of the bunker, climbed down from the bunker, took the empty tins again down from the bunker, put down his gas mask, put the gas mask back into his holder, and with the tins under the hands walked away, disappearing inside the crematorium.

Q. Did you see any people come out of the crematorium, any of the hundreds that you saw go in?

A. I beg your pardon?

Q. Did you see any of the hundreds of people you saw go into the crematorium go out?

MR CHRISTIE: So far he didn't say he saw hundreds go in.

THE WITNESS: No. I saw the crematoria, and within the vicinity of the crematoria from January 1943 until April 7, 1944, as the time went, this was the first crematorium and this is where I was witnessing the gassings of the first in the crematorium. Soon after the crematorium, three were opened. They are called II and III, because Krematorium I was a smaller arrangement, which was in Auschwitz I ....​
 

smith

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No Jerry, he doesn't say he saw homicidal gas chambers in operation, he talks about seeing a sanitation service corporal with zyklon tubes from a distance, the bit where he says "this is where I was witnessing the gassings", is conjecture on his part.
 
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Jerry Russell

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Hi Smith,

Elsewhere he talks about how the people were lined up in groups so that he could count the number of people going in, and he says he saw 1.675 million of them going in, and no one coming out alive.

Now, I would certainly be dubious about that exact number. If you were to drill down, I'm sure there was some estimating of the number going on. Maybe he did some multiplications in his head that weren't right. I got bored reading the transcript, but I should hope that the cross-examining attorney did focus some questioning on that number, and try to get a better idea where Vrba came up with it. I understand that Vrba's estimate of the number of French jews arriving by train has been disputed on some objective basis.

Vrba also talks about the vast number of dead bodies he sees in the mortuary, coming out of the gas chambers. He talks about how they pulled the gold from the teeth before sending them back for cremation.

If you want to claim that he's lying, fine. I can't dispute that it's possible. But his testimony overall doesn't seem consistent with the idea that his conjecture was simply mistaken, and that the Jews were going in to the chambers for de-lousing, and coming out in good health.
 

lorenhough

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The Russians the English and the American bomb europe back to the Stone Age Then let Europe starve to death. Who killed who? Then the victors write the history. Then blame it on the victims. The people of Europe were site up for the big fall.

Here is a interview with author; -dr-nick-kollerstrom-the, when where what who why how
time to look at new information;
As if you know nothing to learn about what people are saying then make a decision!

The holocaust of people is evil is it going on today? Genetically modified food pesticides vaccine loss of bees herbicides Chemtrail plastic touching your food and drink, The rich can eat organically, making it illegal to use wood burning stove let you freeze like in England because CO2 is so bad for you . If you live within 50 miles of a nuclear power plants you are living in a cancer cluster and waiting for all help to break out like Fukushima. The death of the ocean it is not because of too many people it's because of a few people who've done terrible things continue to do them today the same ones that believe there's too many people seem to be doing something about it the same ones who control history same ones who control the media same one who control our schools, genocide is their answer to the problems of the world. Listen to this and decide for yourself! LH

http://www.gnosticmedia.com/rb…..t-7132015/
 
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Jerry Russell

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Loren posted a link to a video called “Hellstorm”, and I have removed the link from his post. (The rest of his post has been moved to the thread on the Elon Musk podcast, since it was off-topic to this discussion, and on-topic there.)

The Hellstorm video had been posted once before at this site, and I took down the link because I determined that the film is very disturbingly flawed, and not something that I would want to endorse from this site.

Not that I felt it was completely without merit. Its strong point was in portraying the horrors of war, which should never be forgotten by anyone; and the horrors experienced by the German people in WWII in particular, which are generally forgotten by Americans & suppressed in mainline history books, under the theory that “they deserved it”. I don’t question that the Germans were pretty much like any other population of civilians: propagandized, bewildered & powerless, and not deserving the fate that befell them.

There was also some political analysis in the film. However, the narrator mentions that they do not attempt a balanced view (which might include a discussion of the bombings of British cities in the Battle of Britain, the early atrocities against Eastern European Jews, and the great loss of life in the Soviet Union), arguing that those perspectives are readily available from other sources -- presumably meaning the various films produced by Hollywood regarding WWII.

The film is based on a book by the same name. The author, Thomas Goodrich, has written several other books including “Scalp Dance: Indian Warfare on the High Plains, 1865-1879”. In this book, he describes the victory of the European settlers over American natives as “one of the most romantic dramas the world had ever known”. The editorial blurb, from Library Journal, states: "Goodrich has produced a smooth, flowing story, but the viewpoint is that of the settler and soldier on the frontier. The voice of the Indian explaining why he went to war is not heard.”

The producer, Kyle Hunt, does a weekly radio interview show at "renegade broadcasting", and is also noted as the organizer of the 2014 White Men’s March. Links to his website for that event have been redirected to "white genocide project dot com", which defines “white genocide” as "Legally chasing down and forcing White areas to accept ‘diversity’.” They further claim that “diversity” is a codeword for “white genocide”, that is, “‘Diverse’ simply means a place without any White people in it.” In other words, they are segregationists, and they are concerned that immigration will lead to the termination of the white race.

Whatever Hitler’s actual ethnicity might be, or whatever he privately thought, or whatever ghost author wrote his books -- his public persona (on display in Mein Kampf) was as an Aryan supremacist. He whipped up ethnic hatred not only against Jews but also against blacks, slavs and the French.

Hunt and Goodrich claim that they are not "white supremacists", but rather "white rights activists". Considering the lack of critical nuance about Hitler in Hellstorm, I’m concerned that people will get confused about the difference, or perhaps even think that we've gone that way ourselves here. Furthermore, the film is very polarizing, and that outweighs any benefits it might have.

If I were to make a film (or write an article) about WWII, it would be very different from Hellstorm. I would talk about genocidal fatalities (as much as 10% or more) in Russia, Poland, China, Japan, and Germany. I don’t believe the estimates of 6 million Jewish fatalities out of 9 million total prewar Jewish population, but I do believe that the Jews were nearly all driven out of Germany and Eastern Europe, and casualties were at least 1 million (10%) and very likely more. Fatalities in the UK, USA and France were lower as a percentage, but still horrendous. I wouldn’t focus on the suffering of just one nationality.
Then I would look at the political fiasco that led to the tragedy, and show that the responsibility was widespread among elites in the various nations, and driven by industrial & banking profits as well as racist bigotry. Hitler’s role should not be denied or minimized, but should be put in perspective.
 
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Jerry Russell

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Anybody who wants to see the 'Hellstorm' movie can google it and go watch it. I just don't want to increase their page rank by indexing it from here. It's a small gesture, but we do what we can.
 
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Jerry Russell

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So I finished reading Nick Kollerstrom's book "Breaking the Spell", and found that I wasn't convinced that there was no genocide against the Jews in WWII.

Kollerstrom doesn't even mention Krystallnacht, Babi Yar, or other atrocities by the Einsatzgruppen. These are some of the best-documented atrocities against the Jews during the war. A discussion of Babi Yar, and revisionist attempts to refute the evidence, is at the following very interesting link:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/04/thats-why-it-is-denial-not-revisionism_07.html

The gas vans get very short shrift in 'BTS', although again there seems to be plenty of credible documentation that they were a reality. Kollerstrom repeats the argument that diesel exhaust couldn't have been used as a poison gas, because the CO concentration is too low to be fatal -- but that argument doesn't seem at all definitive to me. There are probably ways that diesel engines could be tuned to produce more CO than usual, or other sources of the gas could easily have been obtained. Or, as discussed at 'holocaust controversies', the idea that these engines were diesel may have been mistaken, and they were actually petrol engines. See:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/06/why-diesel-issue-is-irrelevant.html

Some interesting further evidence about the gas vans is here:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/10/how-convergence-of-evidence-works-gas.html

The majority of Kollerstrom's work is dedicated to the allegations of gas chambers at Auschwitz. As an admirer of Fred Leuchter and Germar Rudolf, Kollerstrom argues that the crematories at Auschwitz could not possibly have been used for Zyklon B poisonings, because the amount of residual cyanide in the walls of the structures is too low.

Conventional historians of the Holocaust have had plenty of time to try to refute that argument. They say that the concentrations of cyanide required to be lethal to humans are much lower than required for insecticide use, and were not high enough to trigger formation of iron compounds ('Prussian Blue'), as occurred in the insecticide chambers where Zyklon was also used. With no iron oxides to hold the cyanide stable, there's no reason to expect large amounts. Nevertheless, they say, cyanide can readily be detected in the ruins of the crematories if you know how to look for it. See this report prepared for the Irving vs. Lipstadt trial by Robert Green:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/rudolf/affweb.pdf

Kollerstrom dismisses this line of argument in just a few quick paragraphs, complaining that it's "nutty" because concentration gradients are not accounted for. Considering the thoroughness of Green's report, this dismissal seems completely inadequate.

Another focal point of Kollerstrom's discussion is the intercepted and decrypted "Enigma" messages from German labor camps, which were released in the 1990's. Again, conventional historians are well aware of these documents, and are comfortable with them. They believe that the labor camp aspects of Auschwitz were operated separately from the gas chambers. Prisoners who were to be gassed never were registered or counted by the labor camps, and thus they wouldn't be mentioned in the encrypted messages.

Here's an article by Jurgen Graf that mentions evidence that up to 800,000 Jews were shipped to Auschwitz without being registered. He seems to accept this as a fact. Graf claims that they were all shipped from Auschwitz to "the east", but has little if any proof of this. They might just as well have been gassed.

http://www.historiography-project.com/misc/graf_jewishlosses.php
 
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lorenhough

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Looking at the big picture; the big boys made Jews look like a race when it was only a religion that the big boys made up; the big boys gave us what they wanted, ww1 and ww2 gave us the united nations for a one world government and a united EU and Israel; reduced the population, and gave Russia eastern Europe or should we say hell on earth. do we know if any of the big boy work camps were fire bombed? we know they fire bombed japan and Germany to hell; were people safer in a camp then a city in flames? or ending up in Russia? my understanding that the guys in usa service who first interned the camps were part of the big boy propaganda programe showing some starved bodies and some lamp skins? we may never know what happened but I still find it odd people would go to jail in parts of the EU for suggesting that we don't know the truth about the camps. we do know Germany was starved for 2 years after the war, we do know Germany & japan was fired bombed more then England usa or Russia France or Italy; I have talked to people who were there and said the barns filled up in Germany with pianos to trade for food after the war for 2 years, how could that be?. and the Germany rocket team came here to helps us go to the moon! or rockets for nukes some would say; why gas people when you could work them or when they would die in flames in a city why go to the trouble of shipping to work camps? how do people go to die with out a fight? could they really keep something like that from people finding out? no t like the nuke program in usa, people were not dying. why would the big boys tell us the truth about what happened or about anything but we do know they Lie for there own good; personally i have no idea if people were gassed as you seem to know or suggest. i am sorry i don't see your point about white people not being targeted you made once; along with all the other people of the earth if you look at ww1 gmo food, Fluoride in the water which is mostly In the usa, the usa had more nuke test above ground then any other country and where are the nuke power plants are etc. etc. the holocaust is still In play thanks for the book report jerry
 
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Jerry Russell

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Just to be clear: regarding gas chambers at Auschwitz, I still don't feel confident that I know what happened. The eyewitness evidence that I've seen is lacking consistency & credibility, and forensic evidence is inconclusive. The 800,000 Jews mentioned in Graf's paper could have arrived in Auschwitz and been gassed, or they could have been put back on the trains and shipped somewhere else, and the demographic figures simply aren't precise enough to tell the difference.

I've been playing "exterminationist's advocate" with Smith, because he claims that there's no evidence of gas chambers either at Auschwitz or elsewhere, and he's simply wrong about that. You can debate whether the evidence is sufficient to be convincing, but you can't deny that there's evidence to be reviewed.

As to my agnostic position, I posted it to the Internet in 2003. I eventually decided to pull down my article from the website, in respect of those in the 911 truth movement who wanted to avoid the topic. But here it is at the 'Wayback Machine':

https://web.archive.org/web/20050307151955/http://www.911-strike.com/holocaust-dialectic.htm

This was all it took to get me denounced as a "holocaust denier" and my website taken off of the Deception Dollar.

http://www.oilempire.us/holocaust-denial.html
 
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lorenhough

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If I may give my two Pfennigs worth on what I call The Hitler Project:

The first premise is that Hitler/Schicklgruber was a character designed to be inhabited by more than one person- For example, Podium-Speak Hitler was an trained actor, gesticulating and bellowing for the newsreels and specially selected audience members, and to scare the bejeebus out of the French and British (And to inspire a great many Americans/Bundists- Hitler got very good press in the US right up until the war)

The consultantee to the General Staff was someone else, probably the original corporal named Schicklgruber who was originally an errand boy for Ludendorff- This guy was likely the greeter of foreign dignitaries as well- The German General Staff ran the war, not this WWI tea boy making coffee and changing linen behind the lines for the brass-

The man with the hat bill down over his eyes reviewing waves and waves of goose steppers for the newsreels was someone else again, the double that could be exposed in public- The cow lick and toothbrush moustache was the branding that linked them all together in the minds of the not-too-close hysterical mobs of admirers-

Why an actor(s)? Premise number two: Real power is never, ever seen- Politicians/tyrants are actors reading other people’s lines- No one with original ideas is ever allowed to take matters into their own hands in a public forum-

Mein Kampf was written by Bernhard Stempfle, a Hieronymite priest and journalist and foaming anti-Semite- If you want to find the source of all the Jew-bashing in Mein Kampf, it’s from this guy- Ian Kershaw, in his book Hitler and the Final Solution, reports that Hitler would let loose with all manner of anti-Jewish invective where Jews were few and votes came from the ignorant gentile rabble where a Jew was as good a scapegoat as any for their empty wallets- When in areas with heavy Jewish influence, including commercial and political clout, Hitler railed against “foreigners and aliens”, leaving out the J-word- So much for conviction-

The name Hitler is an intelligence alias- His biography in MK is sparse because it was created by those like Stempfle who were putting the character together- The embellishments like the stern father, possibly being a descent from a Rothschild, having a beloved mother who dies of cancer are all likely fiction- It's a rags to riches romance designed to inspire the little guy to back this meritorious champion the working stiff can admire and fantasize about- (Lunkheads like Silvio Berlusconi, for example, have a far wider base of simpletons than the intelligentsia can ever outnumber or out shout because most people want power and the perks that go with it, not ethics)

The beer hall putsch was a false flag- It was designed to introduce “Hitler” as a major player in the anti-communist ranks- The “putsch” was ladled with religious connotations- It assembled before midnight on Nov. 8th, 1923 and concluded with the blood spilling at around three AM, following a timetable like the Passion of Christ- (That following morning would be in the European reckoning stated as 9/11/1923) (Winking emoticon)

The “trial” of Hitler was his first major platform and he was given a long leash by the approving judges in giving his testimony- The western press of the oligarchs heavily covered the trial and the supporting observers in the court room were allowed to cheer and holler for their guy-

He was given a surprisingly light sentence for treason, sat incarcerated with Hess for 9 (nine) months in his luxury cell in a minimum security prison to voice his thoughts and during this time we are told that Hitler’s holy manifesto was born-

Demi-gods not only need holy writ, they require a special revelation and that was written into Hitler’s back story as the gassing and recovery at Pasewalk- There on his hospital cot, blinded and in a brutal fever, it is reported by every historian with an academically anointed shingle allowing them to preach orthodox history that Hitler had his Vision with a capital “V”-

This vision stuff resonated with the esoterically minded social sets in Germany at the time- The popularity of occult practices and beliefs in the wake of WWI was an outgrowth of a strata of German culture that emanated from the murky primeval forests that had haunted German imagination since before the age of Woutan- It is said that Von Moltke the Younger had a three day vision/coma just prior to the disastrous enactment of the Schlieffen plan and the stale mate of WWI- Presumably one would have their stature greatly enhanced by such a Road to Damascus moment when rubbing elbows with the elite, whom which Hitler eventually found himself amongst- (The Obama Project, for example, doesn’t have such a moment as he’s of the wrong time and culture for such a thing to be useful to enhance his mystique)

So too, the image was enhanced by his winning two iron cross medals for his alleged work as a messenger during WWI- Neither award scroll is very specific about why he earned these medals, something real German soldiers so decorated were specifically sighted for time, date and action-

I won’t elaborate on the engineered bankruptcy of Germany by the treaty of Versailles, but with the incarceration of Nazi leadership in 1924, Germany found financial relief with the Dawes Plan, a gesture of largesse from America that rebooted the German currency and economy as a whole- The public’s taste for strong arm tactics waned with this relief and the Weimar Republic had its golden age- Hjalmar Schacht, the Nazi banker of choice, had been replaced-

Even so, the chancellor warned that Germany was dancing on a volcano and if the American economy failed, Germany would go right down with them- Well, of course it failed in 1929 and with that the blame game got into high gear- Jews specifically were on the hot seat- The panic also brought back the Nazis as a viable alternative- Hitler’s sentence was commuted to not being allowed to speak publicly for five years- That five years was up in 1928 and he was back at the podium, ranting and raving- The spooked public started voting Nazis into larger number of Reichstag seats than ever before-

Then the Young Plan came along- Another infusion of cash from America- When adopted in 1930, the effects were not readily seen and the Nazis reached their peak of political popularity in the 1930 elections- By 1932, the party was losing steam and it is at this point that I believe the invisibles decided that they would have to install Hitler as Führer right away- They began by installing him as chancellor, then burned down the Reichstag and that justified the enabling act to give this Hitler character dictatorial power- The game was afoot-

A few quick notes about Nazi economics- As with everything else about the Hitler Project, the alleged economic miracle under Hitler was also a scam- Hjalmar Schacht was recalled to keep the books, and helped create the myth of full employment by issuing an instrument known as Labor Treasury Certificates to fund public works for a start and then quickly total rearmament- These “certificates” never actually existed- They were bookkeeping legerdemain, never even minted- The fiat script for the masses was backed by the expansion and forced trade agreements with other countries willing to trade with German money- This autarky was the central engine which powered this “socialist” regime- The potential and action of the war in the east was what propped up this phantom economy- The script issued to the labor force was not designed to build individual investment- With taxes so high and no lateral movement as far as careers were concerned, this “full employment” was a bare bones subsistence wage that only continued with the rearmament effort- Make guns or starve-

In my view, the Third Reich was nothing more than a deliberately engineered war machine designed for one purpose: to fight a winner take all war with Russia and the elite ghouls who ran both sides cleaned up, displacing millions, killing millions more and, most importantly, finally severing man from his relationship with the land and forcing a total dependence on centralized authority- That is, to set up a dependence on ultimately a global governance where there is practically no way off the grid- We are almost there---
well said thanks we are on the same page LH
 

lorenhough

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well said thanks we are on the same page LH
Zionists’ Best Friends: Patriots, White Supremacists and Libertarians
Submitted by David Livingstone on Sat, 08/22/2015

Anti-Semitism

Alex Jones has recently filmed a debate between himself and former Grand Wizard of the KKK David Duke, and while Jones claims to use the logic of the “globalists” against themselves, he inadvertently reveals his own ties with the Patriot and white supremacist movements, which have been a key component in the Zionist manipulation of conspiracy culture in the US.

Theodor Herzl, the founder of Zionism, employing the ultimate chutzpah, pronounced a plan to exploit the stereotype of the wealthy Jew in order to create anti-Semitism to generate support for the cause of Zionism. According to Herzl, “The anti-Semites shall be our best friends.”[1]

Throughout the century, maintaining the impression of an enduring threat of “anti-Semitism” has been essential to the Zionists’ quest of recruiting the backing of the nations of the world in support for the genocidal and racist state of Israel. Ultimately, the Zionists have been cultivating a culture of anti-Semitism around the world, and especially in American conspiracy culture.

As demonstrated by Yoav Shamir, in True Stories: Defamation, a 2010 documentary aired by Channel 4, the Anti-Defamation League, originally founded by the Masonic and Sabbatean B’nai B’rith, tends to exaggerate or even fabricate the threat of anti-Semitism.[2] In 2005, Norman G. Finkelstein explained in Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History, that the specter of a “new anti-Semitism” has been invented by supporters of Israel to brand any serious criticisms of Israel's human rights abuses as anti-Semitism.

To Yoav Shamir, Abe Foxman, who had been the ADL’s head since 1987, explained his power and influence as exploiting the “fine line” of anti-Semitism. Jews, he explains, “are not as powerful as Jews think we are, nor as powerful as our enemies think we are. Somewheres [sic] in between. They do believe we can make a difference in Washington, and we are not going to convince them otherwise.” Foxman asks, “How do you fight this conspiratorial view of Jews without using it?” Yoav Shamir interprets Foxman’s explanation to mean, “It’s like a poker game, in which Foxman bluffs the other side into thinking the Jews have more influence and power in Washington than they really have. The downside is, that the idea of Jews being so powerful can result in envy, even hate.”[3]



Christian Right
Following upon Leo Strauss’ prescription of using Plato’s concept of “noble lies,” the Zionist neoconservatives seized on a plot to gain grassroots support in the US by aligning themselves with the Christian Right. By denouncing purported threats of “communism,” the movement serves the CIA and the Zionists’ real aim of pushing neoliberalism, the synarchist and fascist ideology of the Mont Pelerin Society, marketed to unsuspecting Americans as “Libertarianism.”

Funding for these policies, that defined the economics of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, known as “Reaganomics,” derived primarily from Rockefeller-dominated ExxonMobil, which then funded other foundations or known CIA fronts, who in turn fund the many conservative organizations and think tanks.[4] These incluce the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Sarah Scaife Foundation and John M. Olin Foundation, who are also responsible for funding the Zionist American Enterprise Institute (AEI) and the right-wing and the Heritage Foundation.

The Heritage Foundation represents one of the many tentacles of the gigantic Tavistock octopus, which has extended from the University of Sussex to the US through the Stanford Research Institute (SRI), Esalen Institute, MIT, Hudson Institute, Brookings Institution, Aspen Institute, the Center of Strategic and International Studies at Georgetown, US Air Force Intelligence, and the RAND Corporation.[5]

The Tavistock Clinic was originally formed in 1920 by the Royal Institute for International Affairs, the sister organization of the Rockefeller-founded Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), both of which were products of the original Round Table created at the bidding of Cecil Rhodes. The Tavistock Clinic, which became the Psychiatric Division of the British Army during World War II, and contributed to the CIA’s MK-Ultra program, took its name from its benefactor Herbrand Russell, Marquees of Tavistock, 11th Duke of Bedford, a title inherited by the influential Russell family, one of the most prominent aristocratic families in Britain who came to power and the peerage with the rise of the Tudor dynasty.

for the rest of the story; http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/zionists’-best-friends-patriots-white-supremacists-and-libertarians
 

lorenhough

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Zionists’ Best Friends: Patriots, White Supremacists and Libertarians
Submitted by David Livingstone on Sat, 08/22/2015

Anti-Semitism

Alex Jones has recently filmed a debate between himself and former Grand Wizard of the KKK David Duke, and while Jones claims to use the logic of the “globalists” against themselves, he inadvertently reveals his own ties with the Patriot and white supremacist movements, which have been a key component in the Zionist manipulation of conspiracy culture in the US.

Theodor Herzl, the founder of Zionism, employing the ultimate chutzpah, pronounced a plan to exploit the stereotype of the wealthy Jew in order to create anti-Semitism to generate support for the cause of Zionism. According to Herzl, “The anti-Semites shall be our best friends.”[1]

Throughout the century, maintaining the impression of an enduring threat of “anti-Semitism” has been essential to the Zionists’ quest of recruiting the backing of the nations of the world in support for the genocidal and racist state of Israel. Ultimately, the Zionists have been cultivating a culture of anti-Semitism around the world, and especially in American conspiracy culture.

As demonstrated by Yoav Shamir, in True Stories: Defamation, a 2010 documentary aired by Channel 4, the Anti-Defamation League, originally founded by the Masonic and Sabbatean B’nai B’rith, tends to exaggerate or even fabricate the threat of anti-Semitism.[2] In 2005, Norman G. Finkelstein explained in Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History, that the specter of a “new anti-Semitism” has been invented by supporters of Israel to brand any serious criticisms of Israel's human rights abuses as anti-Semitism.

To Yoav Shamir, Abe Foxman, who had been the ADL’s head since 1987, explained his power and influence as exploiting the “fine line” of anti-Semitism. Jews, he explains, “are not as powerful as Jews think we are, nor as powerful as our enemies think we are. Somewheres [sic] in between. They do believe we can make a difference in Washington, and we are not going to convince them otherwise.” Foxman asks, “How do you fight this conspiratorial view of Jews without using it?” Yoav Shamir interprets Foxman’s explanation to mean, “It’s like a poker game, in which Foxman bluffs the other side into thinking the Jews have more influence and power in Washington than they really have. The downside is, that the idea of Jews being so powerful can result in envy, even hate.”[3]



Christian Right
Following upon Leo Strauss’ prescription of using Plato’s concept of “noble lies,” the Zionist neoconservatives seized on a plot to gain grassroots support in the US by aligning themselves with the Christian Right. By denouncing purported threats of “communism,” the movement serves the CIA and the Zionists’ real aim of pushing neoliberalism, the synarchist and fascist ideology of the Mont Pelerin Society, marketed to unsuspecting Americans as “Libertarianism.”

Funding for these policies, that defined the economics of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, known as “Reaganomics,” derived primarily from Rockefeller-dominated ExxonMobil, which then funded other foundations or known CIA fronts, who in turn fund the many conservative organizations and think tanks.[4] These incluce the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Sarah Scaife Foundation and John M. Olin Foundation, who are also responsible for funding the Zionist American Enterprise Institute (AEI) and the right-wing and the Heritage Foundation.

The Heritage Foundation represents one of the many tentacles of the gigantic Tavistock octopus, which has extended from the University of Sussex to the US through the Stanford Research Institute (SRI), Esalen Institute, MIT, Hudson Institute, Brookings Institution, Aspen Institute, the Center of Strategic and International Studies at Georgetown, US Air Force Intelligence, and the RAND Corporation.[5]

The Tavistock Clinic was originally formed in 1920 by the Royal Institute for International Affairs, the sister organization of the Rockefeller-founded Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), both of which were products of the original Round Table created at the bidding of Cecil Rhodes. The Tavistock Clinic, which became the Psychiatric Division of the British Army during World War II, and contributed to the CIA’s MK-Ultra program, took its name from its benefactor Herbrand Russell, Marquees of Tavistock, 11th Duke of Bedford, a title inherited by the influential Russell family, one of the most prominent aristocratic families in Britain who came to power and the peerage with the rise of the Tudor dynasty.

for the rest of the story; http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/zionists’-best-friends-patriots-white-supremacists-and-libertarians
The repeated occurrence of Jews posing as neo-Nazis should not be taken as haphazard. Their persistence would suggest they are not acting alone. We must reasonably assume that they are in the service of some agency, perhaps the Mossad, for the purpose of maintaining the impression of an enduring anti-Semitic threat, to justify the US government’s continued support for Israel. The media attention garnered by these misfits is typically disproportionally higher than their place in the white supremacist community itself. Their antics are obviously staged and absurdly exaggerated spoofs of neo-Nazism.
http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/zionists’-best-friends-patriots-white-supremacists-and-libertarians
 
Have you seen the videos on the Reinhardt Camp inaccuracies? Now I'm no expert on WWII, the holocaust or any kind of revisionism at large, but these videos definitely made me rethink some of the programmed history I have been indoctrinated with. Lets see if these links are still up after you try to watch them since they regularly get pulled down by you tube.

I got these links from Jan Irvin a while back. I also realize this is a little off target for what was being discussed; Hitler's writings, Auschwitz, gas chamber controversies etc. I think however it speaks to what Jan has briefly exposed in the past in some of his shows, mainly that CD Jackson and other Military Intelligence types (Henry Luce I think was also implicated possibly) were possibly the first ones in the door at some of these camps and may have spun certain aspects of what was found for use against the German people, post war positioning in Europe etc. These are all suppositions by the way, I'm not saying anyone has connected CD Jackson and others in intel with direct evidence of this type of psychological warfare mischief but is interesting that there are some serious allegations about some serious inaccuracies concerning the state of those camps and what went on, and the confluence of psychological warfare and intel people descending on these same camps, and what might have spun out of that union in the form of PR for a strong post war Ally position and an strong anti-German position that only served to benefit the winners in my estimation.


I cannot locate the second video by this same narrator, maybe I can dig it up later.
 

lorenhough

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Have you seen the videos on the Reinhardt Camp inaccuracies? Now I'm no expert on WWII, the holocaust or any kind of revisionism at large, but these videos definitely made me rethink some of the programmed history I have been indoctrinated with. Lets see if these links are still up after you try to watch them since they regularly get pulled down by you tube.

I got these links from Jan Irvin a while back. I also realize this is a little off target for what was being discussed; Hitler's writings, Auschwitz, gas chamber controversies etc. I think however it speaks to what Jan has briefly exposed in the past in some of his shows, mainly that CD Jackson and other Military Intelligence types (Henry Luce I think was also implicated possibly) were possibly the first ones in the door at some of these camps and may have spun certain aspects of what was found for use against the German people, post war positioning in Europe etc. These are all suppositions by the way, I'm not saying anyone has connected CD Jackson and others in intel with direct evidence of this type of psychological warfare mischief but is interesting that there are some serious allegations about some serious inaccuracies concerning the state of those camps and what went on, and the confluence of psychological warfare and intel people descending on these same camps, and what might have spun out of that union in the form of PR for a strong post war Ally position and an strong anti-German position that only served to benefit the winners in my estimation.


I cannot locate the second video by this same narrator, maybe I can dig it up later.
good stuff Craig, thanks! I was trying to find jans stuff on that, I as remember he had found evidence about henry Luce CD Jackson being a pr guys and was the go to guys for the 1st news on the camps, I hope all will watch the video above as it is very good evidence to question if we have got the truth. but I would say to remember Jews are not a race but a religion, and the big boys hate all religions that say there is good and bad including orthodox Jews, so they can bring us the new age religion that there is no sin and we all can do as we will, so there is no problem to kill 95% of the people on the earth. in order to remake it in the way the big boys want as they see them selves as god! LH
 
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Tyrone McCloskey

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The concept of Christianity being replaced by holocaustism follows a familiar pattern, in my opinion- Religion is a corral for the imagination- By setting absolutes like an all-powerful god who can’t be opposed let alone superseded, that sets severe limits on able minded people who might be inclined to advance the human experience in a positive way- The parasites at the top who peddle these absolutes keep control of the host which, with sufficient wiggle room, may be able to evict these pests- Today, religion has waned, save for the neurotic with an insufficient vocabulary to redefine their problems in more “scientific” terms- The mystical veneer of the celestial realm has been replaced by numbers-

Science was co-opted by the Galileo farce and reduced to essentially measurement, thus setting more absolutes- Kant’s sense certainty principle bottlenecked the imagination by reducing that supposed unknowingness of subjective experience into metaphorical mathematics- The imagination and intuition and subjectivity of a sovereign individual were leashed in again-

The holocaust is a continuation of this process- It is sold as numbers and specific techniques of mass extermination, of engineering problems, to give it the scientific weight that makes it seem plausible in a religious free zone- Trying to fathom how so many people could be seduced into the gas chambers with relatively few soldiers, almost all severely outnumbered and at best carrying shoulder weapons and/or side arms (no massive weapons of shock and awe) while the majority of fighting men were on the front lines, is never entered into the argument- A “numbers don’t lie” kind of assumption is enforced and the human element is hardly ever examined- Only Evil with a capital E is stressed-

Some people have commented that the numbers do lie- That there would have to be X number of victims moved X number of miles in X number of hours for over X number years to get anywhere near 6 million and those numbers are utterly impossible- Perhaps, but displacing a great many people with only faulty water and food supply lines in place to service them will kill very fast- For me, that’s the “holocaust”- The forced migration of millions of people was sure to kill a great many of them and that should not be forgiven, all the way to the top of Wall Street and the City of London who originally built the industrial infrastructure that made the war in the east, which was planned for, possible- The Jewish fetish is obviously a shill for the creation of Israel, which is why that lobby won’t let it go (and the world’s biggest ghetto being surrounded by well-funded radical Islamists keeps the gentile guilt trip at a boil)- But millions more also died from the same forces, regardless of the particulars of the “death camps”- One might consider the official version a diversion-
 

lorenhough

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good stuff Craig, thanks! I was trying to find jans stuff on that, I as remember he had found evidence about henry Luce CD Jackson being a pr guys and was the go to guys for the 1st news on the camps, I hope all will watch the video above as it is very good evidence to question if we have got the truth. but I would say to remember Jews are not a race but a religion, and the big boys hate all religions that say there is good and bad including orthodox Jews, so they can bring us the new age religion that there is no sin and we all can do as we will, so there is no problem to kill 95% of the people on the earth. in order to remake it in the way the big boys want as they see them selves as god! LH
1:50 min in the above video mr pr cd Jackson buys the film of jfk being shot, for life mag.
 

lorenhough

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The forced migration of millions of people was sure to kill a great many of them and that should not be forgiven, all the way to the top of Wall Street and the City of London who originally built the industrial infrastructure that made the war in the east, which was planned for, possible- The Jewish fetish is obviously a shill for the creation of Israel, which is why that lobby won’t let it go (and the world’s biggest ghetto being surrounded by well-funded radical Islamists keeps the gentile guilt trip at a boil)- But millions more also died from the same forces, regardless of the particulars of the “death camps”- One might consider the official version a diversion-
Well said Tyrone, I would add the city of London and wall st. Rome and the united nations my be the locations of power FOR NOW but the people behind those centers are not necessary from those centers, the secret hands that make the rules live were ever they want. and I would guess in the southern hemisphere.
with no chem trails and radiation around and clean food and water like a island etc etc there is a 10 star resort here in Fiji on a small private island that i was told had organic gardens, were chase boats will not let you get close with a runway for jets. I have seen billionaire Yachats [not sail] here that were as big as ocean liners 2 with each other. in the bay here in Fiji, I was told they were from Russia.

to any one who reads this The 3rd world war on Islam is now on, bring us ever closer to a one world government, with one world currency cards. one language and one religion with 500,000,000 people, this is the century of change. in 100 years from now I think they will have what they want, if the people of the world set by and don't do anything to stop it. if we can stop them with our hands do so if we can with or voice do so if we cant then never stop thinking on how to stop them OUR NATURE IS TO BE FREE AND WILD AND THEY CANT CONTROL THE WORLD FOR EVER; LH
 
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Jerry Russell

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there is a 10 star resort here in Fiji on a small private island that i was told had organic gardens, were chase boats will not let you get close with a runway for jets. I have seen billionaire Yachats [not sail] here that were as big as ocean liners 2 with each other. in the bay here in Fiji, I was told they were from Russia.
Very interesting first-hand report, Loren! Thanks.
 
good stuff Craig, thanks! I was trying to find jans stuff on that, I as remember he had found evidence about henry Luce CD Jackson being a pr guys and was the go to guys for the 1st news on the camps, I hope all will watch the video above as it is very good evidence to question if we have got the truth. but I would say to remember Jews are not a race but a religion, and the big boys hate all religions that say there is good and bad including orthodox Jews, so they can bring us the new age religion that there is no sin and we all can do as we will, so there is no problem to kill 95% of the people on the earth. in order to remake it in the way the big boys want as they see them selves as god! LH
What's interesting about this guys films (Dean Irenbodd is his name I think per the title of this video link, though I have seen this re-posted under different titles, and I thought Jan referred to him as Mike Smith, so I really don't even know what this guys name is) is he uses primary sources for the most part, and basic logic to prove his arguments. At the very least I see the post war clean up as an attempt by US/UK Intel and it's Zionist supporters to put some PR spin on the camp situation, so as to help it work to their advantages (pilfering Germany, guilt, making a religion out of a horrible tragedy etc.). I'm not sure it helps prove the "holohoax" arguments at all, but it would indicate some malfeasance with the powers that be who were there after they won, to take advantage of the war and associated tragedies (or to re-contextualize some aspects of them) to profit politically, culturally, monetarily etc.
 
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