While I don't doubt that many people would be satisfied with this definition of "what we are talking about", but it seems to me that Fetzer's formulation puts way too much emphasis on the absolute number killed, and the means used to kill them.Just so we know what we are talking about: In its broadest outlines, “the Holocaust” can be defined by means of its three primary elements, which I shall designate here as hypotheses (h1), (h2) and (h3):
(h1) that Hitler was attempting to exterminate the Jews and succeeded by putting around 6,000,000 to death;
(h2) that many of those deaths were brought about by the use of a form of cyanide gas in chambers for that purpose; and,
(h3) that the chemical agent that brought about those deaths was Zykon B, to which the victims were subjected.
The science of the Holocaust does not leave any room for doubt about (h2) and (h3), since laws of biochemistry and of materials science— laws which cannot be violated and cannot be changed— entail that the bodies of those who are put to death using cyanide turn pink, while the walls of chambers used for that purpose would turn blue. But none of the bodies from those camps has been reported to have been pink; and examination of the “gas chambers” has determined that none of them turned blue. Which means that (h2) and (h3) are not simply false but have been scientifically refuted.
Very interesting, an Arab's view that Christianity has been replaced. Not sure I agree, but understand his point. Source note 273 is:“But why Holocaustism has replaced Christianity? I suppose it’s because Christianity has been in slow decline for several centuries. By 19th century, neither the thinking nor the ruling classes really believed in God any more – as A. N. Wilson wrote in the book ‘God’s Funeral: The Decline of Faith in Western Civilization’. The reaction against Christianity in post-Christian Europe reached the point that by the post-World War II period, a residual Christian guilty complex met Jewish-Holocaust power in the media[[ 272]] – and the result was Holocaustism replacing Christianity as the core sacred narrative of the West.” —Rehmat[ 273]
What "oligarchy policy of targeting whites for extinction"? What about the Congo genocide ~1885, Cambodian genocide ~1975, Red Terror of Ethiopia 1977, Nigerian civil war, Rwandan genocide? What about the American Indians? American slave trade? I don't see a pattern that there's any specific race being targeted.Saying that I think because of oligarchy policy of targeting whites for extinction it's fair play to take the piss out of this racist story.
Are you being sarcastic here, Smith? Please tell me you forgot the smiley....Christianity is boring because it is deracicinated, everyone wants to get tribal and hate someone, best if it returns to its religious Pagan roots.
To me, the word 'genocide' implies mass murder or death. Whereas 'race replacement' by immigration can be a peaceful and voluntary process. In order to actually 'replace' a pre-existing race by this means, the pre-existing folks need to intermarry and interbreed with the newcomers in large numbers. Of course the process of mixing has been going on in an accelerating fashion ever since the invention of the wheel, with the result that Hitler's concept of a "pure" race has no reality in the modern world.I view the race replacement by mass immigration into white homelands as planned genocide. One because there is planned mass immigration into white homelands and two because it is replacing whites with non-whites. Unlike the Congo one and the others you mentioned, this one is permanent.
On the contrary, I think that the gas chamber story is a side issue to the fact that so many people, including Jews, were killed during WWII. As to Hitler's hatred of the Jews, which extended to recommending use of poison gas against them, here's another source of the quote for you. Seems to be a different translation.The Hitler thing is I think a side issue to the gas chamber story. That quote about Hitler mentioning poison gas is I think a lie. The fact that there is no evidence of homicidal gas chambers having been used suggests that "no Hitler plan" probably means there was no Hitler plan.
I think we're making progress here -- we both agree that the quote exists, and now we're looking at what Hitler said.Is this the passage you were referring to (If so need I point out that he's talking hypothetically about being killed by gas in the past, not intending to use it in the future)?
I know that there are arguments & at least some evidence both pro and con regarding this issue, and I don't have a strong opinion. Maybe in a cooperative spirit, we could look into it.Do you think there is enough evidence to support homicidal gassings?
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=671&q=antony+c.+sutton+wall+street+and+the+rise+of+hitler&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDgzUHsxCnfq6-gWlGTkquEq9-ur6hYZJ5YWFVoWm5llR2spV-Un5-tn5iaUlGfpEViF2skJ-XU9nBxJl96GtHuuk3xh8JfYwfHp4SrK5rEwIARD8pdFgAAAA&npsic=-1071&sa=X&ved=0CC8Q-BZqFQoTCJ227ufk-ccCFaGtpgodWAIEzg&lei=RnP4VZ37MqHbmgXYhJDwDThanks for the reply Jerry. My opinion is that the gas chamber story is a racist lie, I have never known anyone come up with any evidence that supports the story of the gas chamber killings, Rassinier tried but couldn't and no one else has been able to since. So, as with Christianity, belief is a matter of faith and fear. The story will last as long as it's a useful tool of the ruling class to control the masses. The thing about looking into it is that unless evidence that supports the story is forthcoming, there is nothing to look into.
Smith, surely you're aware that there is a vast amount of written material that supports the gas chamber story. All this material is disputed by the revisionists, but nevertheless it exists. For supporters of the gas chamber theory, the problem is to amass enough information to be credible; while revisionists are facing a seemingly impossible problem of proving a negative.I have never known anyone come up with any evidence that supports the story of the gas chamber killings, Rassinier tried but couldn't and no one else has been able to since.