Barrie Trower Lethality of Microwave Technology CELL PHONE & TOWERS, WIFI ETC.

lorenhough

Well-Known Member
Interview with Barrie Trower November 13, 2010.

Barrie Trower is a former Royal Navy microwave weapons expert and former cold-war captured spy debriefer for the UK Intelligence Services. Mr Trower is a conscionable whistle-blower who lectures around the world on hidden dangers from microwave weapons and every-day microwave technologies such as mobile-phones and WiFi. Mr Trower has also repeatedly assisted the UK Police Fedration in their struggle to protect police officers from Tetra/Air-Band radio-communications systems that are harmful to health.

Cell phones, smart meters, wifi, cell phone towers, wimax, cordless home phones.

 
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lorenhough

Well-Known Member
Interview with Barrie Trower November 13, 2010.

Barrie Trower is a former Royal Navy microwave weapons expert and former cold-war captured spy debriefer for the UK Intelligence Services. Mr Trower is a conscionable whistle-blower who lectures around the world on hidden dangers from microwave weapons and every-day microwave technologies such as mobile-phones and WiFi. Mr Trower has also repeatedly assisted the UK Police Fedration in their struggle to protect police officers from Tetra/Air-Band radio-communications systems that are harmful to health.

Cell phones, smart meters, wifi, cell phone towers, wimax, cordless home phones.

Uncovers How Electromagnetic Fields Amplify Pain in Amputees
Feb. 3, 2016


Dr. Mario Romero-Ortega
For years, retired Maj. David Underwood has noticed that whenever he drove under power lines and around other electromagnetic fields, he would feel a buzz in what remained of his arm. When traveling by car through Texas’ open spaces, the buzz often became more powerful.

“When roaming on a cellphone in the car kicked in, the pain almost felt like having my arm blown off again,” said Underwood, an Iraq War veteran who was injured by an improvised explosive device (IED). His injuries have resulted in 35 surgeries and the amputation of his left arm. Shrapnel from the IED also tore part of his leg and left him with more than 100 smaller wounds. “I didn’t notice the power lines, cellphones on roam or other electromagnetic fields until I first felt them in my arm.”

Until a recent study led by researchers at The University of Texas at Dallas was published online last month in PLOS ONE, there was no scientific evidence to back up the anecdotal stories of people, such as Underwood, who reported aberrant sensations and neuropathic pain around cellphone towers and other technology that produce radio-frequency electromagnetic fields.

“Our study provides evidence, for the first time, that subjects exposed to cellphone towers at low, regular levels can actually perceive pain,” said Dr. Mario Romero-Ortega, senior author of the study and an associate professor of bioengineering in the University’s Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and Computer Science. “Our study also points to a specific nerve pathway that may contribute to our main finding.”

Most of the research into the possible effects of cellphone towers on humans has been conducted on individuals with no diagnosed, pre-existing conditions. This is one of the first studies to look at the effects of electromagnetic fields (EMFs) in a nerve-injury model, said Romero-Ortega, who researches nerve regeneration and builds neural interfaces — technology that connects bionic or robotic devices to the peripheral nerve. There are nearly 2 million amputees in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and many suffer from chronic pain.


Retired Maj. David Underwood
After interacting with Underwood, Romero-Ortega decided to study the phenomena that Underwood described.

The team hypothesized that the formation of neuromas — inflamed peripheral nerve bundles that often form due to injury — created an environment that may be sensitive to EMF-tissue interactions. To test this, the team randomly assigned 20 rats into two groups — one receiving a nerve injury that simulated amputation, and the other group receiving a sham treatment. Researchers then exposed the subjects to a radiofrequency electromagnetic antenna for 10 minutes, once per week for eight weeks. The antenna delivered a power density equal to that measured at 39 meters from a local cellphone tower — a power density that a person might encounter outside of occupational settings.

Researchers found that by the fourth week, 88 percent of subjects in the nerve-injured group demonstrated a behavioral pain response, while only one subject in the sham group exhibited pain at a single time point, and that was during the first week. After growth of neuroma and resection — the typical treatment in humans with neuromas who are experiencing pain — the pain responses persisted.

The rest here!
http://www.utdallas.edu/news/2016/2/3-31891_Study-Uncovers-How-Electromagnetic-Fields-Amplify-_story-wide.html?WT.mc_id=NewsHomePageCenterColumn
 

Jerry Russell

Administrator
Staff member
Hi Loren,

Sorry about the delay in looking at this. I agree that microwaves, as well as radiation from low frequency power lines, can have dangerous health effects. Unlike ionizing radiation, I think there may be such a thing as a "safe dose", that is, a level of electromagnetic field that is so low that it leaves no residue and causes no increase in disease. But I don't know of any studies that prove this, and the safest approach would be to assume that any dose causes some risk.

I've read that there are studies indicating that years of intense cell-phone use with the transmitter held close to the head, can cause tumors and cancer. I have no reason to doubt this. I try to minimize hand-held cell phone use, and go hands-free or use a land line whenever possible. I do have wi-fi in my house, and I think it's probably safe -- but I wouldn't call you paranoid if you chose to use ethernet cable and low-voltage twisted pair wiring in your home exclusively.

I wouldn't want to live within a few blocks of a cell phone tower, or a high-voltage transmission line.

The video above wants to estimate the power of a microwave communications tower by looking at the size of the cables. I don't think this is necessarily a valid way of estimating the power output -- they might be using a lot of cable because of the complexity of the signals, or to minimize RF losses and interference. In general, as the video mentions, cell phone towers are limited to 400 watts because they're supposed to operate over cellular distances. That is, the innovation of "cell phones" as compared to earlier walkie-talkies, is that they are designed to communicate over short distances to the nearest cell phone tower.

If someone wanted to build a microwave death ray, I'm sure it could be done.
 

lorenhough

Well-Known Member
Hi Loren,

Sorry about the delay in looking at this. I agree that microwaves, as well as radiation from low frequency power lines, can have dangerous health effects. Unlike ionizing radiation, I think there may be such a thing as a "safe dose", that is, a level of electromagnetic field that is so low that it leaves no residue and causes no increase in disease. But I don't know of any studies that prove this, and the safest approach would be to assume that any dose causes some risk.

I've read that there are studies indicating that years of intense cell-phone use with the transmitter held close to the head, can cause tumors and cancer. I have no reason to doubt this. I try to minimize hand-held cell phone use, and go hands-free or use a land line whenever possible. I do have wi-fi in my house, and I think it's probably safe -- but I wouldn't call you paranoid if you chose to use ethernet cable and low-voltage twisted pair wiring in your home exclusively.

I wouldn't want to live within a few blocks of a cell phone tower, or a high-voltage transmission line.

The video above wants to estimate the power of a microwave communications tower by looking at the size of the cables. I don't think this is necessarily a valid way of estimating the power output -- they might be using a lot of cable because of the complexity of the signals, or to minimize RF losses and interference. In general, as the video mentions, cell phone towers are limited to 400 watts because they're supposed to operate over cellular distances. That is, the innovation of "cell phones" as compared to earlier walkie-talkies, is that they are designed to communicate over short distances to the nearest cell phone tower.

If someone wanted to build a microwave death ray, I'm sure it could be done.
Thanks jerry
 

snoop4truth

New Member
Interview with Barrie Trower November 13, 2010.

Barrie Trower is a former Royal Navy microwave weapons expert and former cold-war captured spy debriefer for the UK Intelligence Services. Mr Trower is a conscionable whistle-blower who lectures around the world on hidden dangers from microwave weapons and every-day microwave technologies such as mobile-phones and WiFi. Mr Trower has also repeatedly assisted the UK Police Fedration in their struggle to protect police officers from Tetra/Air-Band radio-communications systems that are harmful to health.

Cell phones, smart meters, wifi, cell phone towers, wimax, cordless home phones.

Dear Lorenhough,

Barrie Trower may be completely legitimate. But, he is associated with a woman who is a well-known serial hoaxer.

DEBORAH TAVARES & THE PG&E FAKE EMAIL HOAX (THE CALIFORNIA FIRES HOAX)

More Deborah Tavares' hoaxes. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105568-The-Hoaxes-of-Deborah-Tavares&p=1277666#post1277666

THE HOAX: In the PG&E FAKE Email Hoax, Deborah Tavares claims to have
obtained emails which effectively prove that PG&E caused the recent
fires in California by beaming energy beams from satellites in space
at California. But, her claims about these emails are lies. They are
FORGERIES.

VIDEO PROOF OF THE HOAX (Jeff Rense is not involved in the hoax)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJJFZKADuk (at 11:10-20:00)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3fb--FC_oQ (at 1:05-3:40)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7As3d9NgDyk (at 27:20-30:10)

Pacific Gas & Electric ("PG&E") is a California electrical utility
company. Over the next few years, PG&E is required by law to generate
an increasingly higher and higher percentage of its electrical power
without producing any carbon emissions. So, PG&E has increasingly
resorted to wind, solar and thermal technology to generate electrical
power.

But, PG&E's conventional, ground-based, solar panels can only collect
energy from the Sun during the middle of daylight hours in good
weather. So, in 2009, PG&E announced that in the future, solar panels
on satellites in space might be used to generate energy from the Sun
24 hours a day. These satellites might then beam the power to Earth in
the form of laser beams or radio frequency beams. The power might then
be received at receptor stations on Earth and then converted to
electricity for use by its customers.

WHAT PG&E ANNOUNCED IN 2009:
https://www.pge.com/en_US/small-medi...se_link-energy

Solaren is a private California company which has patented the
technology described above. In 2009, PG&E entered into a contract with
Solaren to buy finished electricity from Solaren if Solaren is ever
successful in generating electrical power using this technology. Under
the contract, Solaren would own, operate and control all its
satellites, rectennas and all the receiver stations. Originally,
Solaren promised to provide PG&E with finished electricity by 2016.
But, it ran into financial problems and still has not provided any
electricity, even at this late date. The California Public Utilities
Commission ("CPUC") approved the contract on the condition that no
money from PG&E customers ever be used to develop this technology.

THE CONTRACT:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/34239347/n.../#.XHRAB1KFPIU (at paragraphs 1-5)
https://www.afcea.org/content/space-...closer-reality(at paragraphs 8, 9 & 10)
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-light-of-day/(at the final two
paragraphs)
https://www.businessinsider.com/spac...r-earth-2014-7(at the final two
paragraphs)

Deborah Tavares lives in Sebastopol and has publically opposed PG&E
because of its "smart meters". So, when the recent forest fires burned
northern California, Deborah Tavares wanted to blame PG&E and the
technology described above for starting those fires. But, there was a
problem. The scientific and economic literature indicated that this
technology did not yet exist.

CURRENT SCIENTIFIC & ECONOMIC LITERATURE ON THIS TECHNOLOGY:
This technology will not be in use until the end of the decade. See
the last 3 paragraphs and the final sentence here.
https://www.businessinsider.com/spac...r-earth-2014-7
This technology did not exist in 2017. Beginning at the bottom of page 16 here.
https://space.nss.org/media/NSS-JOUR...olar-Power.pdf
This technology is not in use in 2019. See the last paragraph.
https://www.electricityforum.com/new...ospaceforpower.
This technology did not exist in 2018. See the FIRST and LAST
paragraph here. http://earthsky.org/earth/space-base...ser-to-reality
This technology will not be in use until at least 2019. See page 62
http://fiso.spiritastro.net/telecon/...e_12-14-16.pdf
This technology did not exist in 2018. See the final paragraph.
http://www.alternative-energy-news.i...ls-into-orbit/

SO, TO REBUT ALL THOSE FACTS, Deborah Tavares FORGED a series of FAKE
emails (purportedly between the CPUC and PG&E) indicating that this
beam technology already existed, that it was already in use and that
it could be used to kill us all.

THE FORGERIES:
1. PUBLISHED EMAIL FORGERIES:
http://stopthecrime.net/wp/2018/08/2...rn-california/

Afterwards, Deborah Tavares created more FORGED emails reflecting
imaginary responses from imaginary experts to which Deborah Tavares
allegedly forwarded her FORGED emails above. Not surprisingly, these
imaginary experts agreed with Deborah Tavares that this beam
technology already existed, that it has long been in use and that it
could be used to kill us all.

2. TWO UNPUBLISHED, BUT PUBLICLY QUOTED, FORGERIES AT ABOUT 20%
THROUGH THE TEXT HERE: http://smartmetersmurder.com/

3. THE FINAL TWO UNPUBLISHED, BUT PUBLICLY QUOTED, FORGERIES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJJFZKADuk (at 17:25-18:40)

Thus, Deborah Tavares herself actually created the very FORGERIES
which she fraudulently claims CONSTITUTE "PROOF" that PG&E used this
future beam technology to start the recent fires in California to kill
us all in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind.

THE REASONS WHY WE KNOW THESE PUBLISHED EMAILS ARE FORGERIES:

1. Tavares did not know what "space weather" actually was (something a
REAL PG&E executive would know). "Solar flares" on the surface of the
Sun erupt about every 11 years or so. These solar flares extend
millions of miles into space and emit extremely high amounts of
radiation into space. This radiation is called "space weather" (like a
"rain" or "storm" OF RADIATION in space). (It is the Earth's
atmosphere which protects all life on Earth from this radiation.). The
radiation emitted during such "space weather" is so powerful that it
can damage or destroy electrical power transformers here on Earth if
they are linked to earth-based solar panels. Such damage can result in
power outages. That is why "space weather" would be of concern to
PG&E. During "damaging space weather", PG&E has to protect its
transformers linked to earth-based solar panels because some such
transformers provide electrical power to nuclear power plants and to
hospitals which cannot afford power outages for obvious reasons.

DEBORAH TAVARES' MISTAKE:
But, Deborah Tavares did not know any of this. She mistakenly believed
that "space weather" was WEATHER HERE ON EARTH (like drought and fire)
that was artificially created and controlled by lasers, radio
frequencies or microwaves beamed at the Earth from satellites IN SPACE
(a stupid mistake that a REAL PG&E executive WOULD NOT MAKE).

HOW THIS MISTAKE SHOWS UP IN THE FORGERIES:

In FORGING the phrase "...then have its lawyers BLAME ITS CUSTOMERS,
AKA EARTHLINGS, FOR ANY ADVERSE CONSEQUENSES RESULTING [FROM DAMAGING
SPACE WEATHER]" in the 9:50 email above, Deborah Tavares was referring
to the adverse consequences of FIRES WHICH PG&E CAN BLAME ON ITS
CUSTOMERS (not realizing that "damaging space weather" is actually
radiation in outer space caused by solar flares on the surface of the
Sun every 11 years). Unknown to Deborah Tavares, the consequences
resulting from "damaging space weather" is actually power outages, NOT
FIRES! AND, PG&E CANNOT POSSIBLY BLAME ITS CUSTOMERS FOR ITS OWN POWER
OUTAGES CAUSED BY RADIATION FROM SOLAR FLARES ON THE SURFACE OF THE
SUN EVERY 11 YEARS. So, in creating this FORGERY, Deborah Tavares did
not know that PG&E customers can NEVER be "blamed" for the
"consequences" of "damaging space weather", WHICH IS ONLY POWER
OUTAGES (something a REAL PG&E executive would know). This mistake
proves that this email is a FORGERY.

2. Likewise, Deborah Tavares did not know the terms of PG&E's contract
with Solaren (something a REAL PG&E executive would know). So, Deborah
Tavares did not know that PG&E would never own, operate, manage or
control any such satellites, rectennas, receiving stations or have any
say in how, when or where energy from satellites in space would be
directed. Instead, Solaren would be solely responsible for all of
that. Under the contract, all PG&E would ever do would be to buy
finished electricity from Solaren if Solaren was ever successful in
generating electricity using this technology. Under the contract, PG&E
is simply a future customer of Solaren. Nothing more. But, Deborah
Tavares did not know this.

HOW THIS MISTAKE SHOWS UP IN THE FORGERIES:

So, in FORGING the sentence, "WE [referring to PG&E] have changed OUR
receptor site from the Mojave desert (sic) to Sebastopol" in the 10:03
email above, Deborah Tavares sought to create the illusion that she
was so important to PG&E that it actually "targeted" her with radio
frequency waves beamed from satellites in space in retaliation for her
opposition to PG&E "smart meters". See PROOF here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJJFZKADuk (at 18:40-19:20). Are you
kidding me?! What a narcissist!

Regardless, Deborah Tavares did not know that PG&E had no ability to
aim Solaren's energy beams or to move Solaren's receptor station from
one place to another (something a REAL PG&E executive would know).
This mistake proves that this email is a FORGERY.

Further, Deborah Tavares did not know that Solaren's actual receptor
site is in Fresno, hundreds of miles away from the Mojave Desert
(something a REAL PG&E executive would know).

PROOF THAT FRESNO (NOT SEBASTOPOL) IS THE REAL RECEPTOR SITE:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/34239347/n.../#.XHRAB1KFPIU (at the 3rd paragraph)
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-light-of-day/ (at end of 2nd paragraph)
https://www.electricityforum.com/new...ospaceforpower (at the 16th paragraph)

Moreover, Deborah Tavares did not know that such receiver rectennas
are up to six miles in diameter (which would make it obvious to every
person living in Sebastopol if it had actually had been relocated
there as Deborah Tavares fraudulently claims).

Finally, a REAL PG&E executive would not refer to Solaren's receptor
site as "OUR" receptor site, would know that Solaren's receptor
station was in Fresno (not in the Mojave Desert) and would know that
PG&E had no power or ability to change Solaren's receptor site. The
foregoing mistakes prove that this email is a forgery.

3. Use your own common sense. As to the 10:03 email, how likely is it
that a PG&E executive would open an email to the CPUC with a
"reminder" of the ACTUAL INTERNAL MECHANICS of exactly how Solaren's
technology worked? The CPUC had just approved of PG&E's use of
Solaren's technology provided that PG&E never invested any of its
customer's money to finance the project. The CPUC did not need a
"reminder" of the ACTUAL INTERNAL MECHANICS of Solaren's technology in
which PG&E played no part and could claim no credit. This "reminder"
serves NO PURPOSE.

4. Use your own common sense. How likely is it that the CPUC would
refer to PG&E's customers as "EARTHLINGS" in connection with an email
about a "COVER UP" of "damaging space weather" which can cause nothing
but power outages?

5. Use your own common sense. How likely is it that the CPUC would
tell PG&E to have its lawyers BLAME ITS CUSTOMERS "AKA EARTHLINGS" FOR
THE CONSEQUENCES OF "DAMAGING SPACE WEATHER", WHICH IS ONLY POWER
OUTAGES CAUSED BY RADIATION FROM SOLAR FLARES WHICH CANNOT POSSIBLY BE
BLAMED ON PG&E CUSTOMERS. This mistake proves that this email is a
FORGERY.

THE REASONS WHY WE KNOW THE UNPUBLISHED, BUT PUBLICLY QUOTED, EMAILS
ARE FORGERIES:

1. The sentence, "You as a California resident have every right to
know what your "public utilities" are doing with their (sic) "RATE
DOLLARS", was not written by an expert, as Deborah Tavares
fraudulently claims. Unknown to Deborah Tavares, no "rate dollars"
from any PG&E customer has or will ever be used to finance the
research and development of Solaren's technology (which will be
financed, owned and operated solely by Solaren). Under the contract,
PG&E would merely be a future customer of Solaren and buy finished
electricity from Solaren if Solaren is ever successful in generating
electricity using this technology. Again, no PG&E customer money will
ever be used to develop Solaren's technology. But, Deborah Tavares did
not know this when writing this FORGERY. That mistake proves that this
email is a FORGERY.

2. The term, "EARTH, INC." in "comment ONE:" a "signature" term
ACTUALLY CREATED, COINED and REPEATEDLY USED BY Deborah Tavares.
https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...iz.42h9ExblMs8

3. The phrase, "very disturbing" in "comment TWO:" is a "signature"
Deborah Tavares phrase.
https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...71.ld2pLLtGq-c

4. The term, "FOIA", in "comment TWO:" is a "signature" Deborah
Tavares term. https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...71.MsKCoGqM1QE

5. The term, "iceberg", in "comment TWO:" is a "signature" Deborah
Tavares term. https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...71.brv_lDgjd1o

6. The term, "footprints", in "comment TWO:" is a "signature" Deborah
Tavares term. https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...71.6jJyS4QOIyw

7. The term, "assessment", in "comment TWO:" is a "signature" Deborah
Tavares term. https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...iz.VQSLXAWgla8

8. BOTH "comment ONE:" and "comment TWO:" contain hyphenated terms ("
- "), a writing custom rare in today's world, suggesting that BOTH
comment ONE and comment TWO were written by the same person, which of
course, they were.

PG&E may actually be using laser or radio frequencies beamed from
satellites in space to kill us all in furtherance of the planned
extinction of mankind. But, THESE PARTICULAR FORGED EMAILS THEMSELVES
(upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular
claim) provide no support for that proposition, because they are
FORGERIES!

ABOUT SNOOP4TRUTH:
Snoop4truth is a legal expert and whistle blower who exposes online
hoaxes. Snoop4truth did not reveal this information to harm Deborah
Tavares. Instead, Snoop4truth revealed this information solely to
reduce the CATASTROPHIC DAMAGE that such intentional fraud inflicts
upon the American people every single day. Had it not been for Deborah
Tavares' role in the "Judge DALE Hoax", Snoop4truth would not have
revealed this information here.

The message to all charlatans and hoaxers? Just tell the truth. The
truth does not fear investigation. Only lies fear investigation. The
truth can be supported by using the truth. Only lies must be supported
by using hoaxes (other lies). There is no such thing as a "good
reason" to intentionally defraud the American people, not even to make
a popular (and sensational) conspiracy theory appear to be true.
 

Emma Robertson

Active Member
THE HOAX: In the PG&E FAKE Email Hoax, Deborah Tavares claims to have
obtained emails which effectively prove that PG&E caused the recent
fires in California by beaming energy beams from satellites in space
at California. But, her claims about these emails are lies. They are
FORGERIES.
Of course they are forgeries. Why invest millions in a technology to set up fires when some simple matches can do the job?
Sometimes we fail to see the obvious...

When I was six my older sister convinced me to stay a little longer with her in our parent's car parked in our garage by telling me that if I opened the door the car would blow up. I believed her. Had I been a little older, or not so fearful of explosions I would have not believed her...

That's exactly the same childish strategy used here and in many other cases concerning modern technology.

Pacific Gas & Electric ("PG&E") is a California electrical utility
company. Over the next few years, PG&E is required by law to generate
an increasingly higher and higher percentage of its electrical power
without producing any carbon emissions
. So, PG&E has increasingly
resorted to wind, solar and thermal technology to generate electrical
power.

But, PG&E's conventional, ground-based, solar panels can only collect
energy from the Sun during the middle of daylight hours in good
weather. So, in 2009, PG&E announced that in the future, solar panels
on satellites in space might be used to generate energy from the Sun
24 hours a day.
These satellites might then beam the power to Earth in
the form of laser beams or radio frequency beams. The power might then
be received at receptor stations on Earth and then converted to
electricity for use by its customers.
So here you have the answer why the forgery against PG&E has been set up:

https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/how-is-our-world-going-to-be-re-shaped-and-why-the-industrial-revolution.2521/
https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/how-is-our-world-going-to-be-re-shaped-and-why-the-industrial-revolution.2521/page-3#post-12588

About the fake campaign against nuclear energy: https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/how-is-our-world-going-to-be-re-shaped-and-why-the-industrial-revolution.2521/page-2#post-12331

The elite's plan for the future is to re-size the world population to a much smaller number, to fit the elite's needs, and to make sure that the population doesn't grow up again they are working particularly on limiting, by means of all kinds of falsehoods, the amount of energy that we will be able to produce.

First, they force PG&E to convert to clean energy, because that will make sure that the amout of total energy produced will be smaller.
But when PG&E finds a way to produce equally large amounts of clean energy by using satellite panels, they resort to the forgery.

We will never use energy produced by satellite solar panels on a large scale. If Solaren will ever make it to produce it, expect the world chaos to be unleashed that moment, which will have us revert back to a Middle Age technology, as I presented in my thread.
 
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snoop4truth

New Member
Of course they are forgeries. Why invest millions in a technology to set up fires when some simple matches can do the job?
Sometimes we fail to see the obvious...

When I was six my older sister convinced me to stay a little longer with her in our parent's car parked in our garage by telling me that if I opened the door the car would blow up. I believed her. Had I been a little older, or not so fearful of explosions I would have not believed her...

That's exactly the same childish strategy used here and in many other cases concerning modern technology.



So here you have the answer why the forgery against PG&E has been set up:

https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/how-is-our-world-going-to-be-re-shaped-and-why-the-industrial-revolution.2521/
https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/how-is-our-world-going-to-be-re-shaped-and-why-the-industrial-revolution.2521/page-3#post-12588

About the fake campaign against nuclear energy: https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/how-is-our-world-going-to-be-re-shaped-and-why-the-industrial-revolution.2521/page-2#post-12331

The elite's plan for the future is to re-size the world population to a much smaller number, to fit the elite's needs, and to make sure that the population doesn't grow up again they are working particularly on limiting, by means of all kinds of falsehoods, the amount of energy that we will be able to produce.

First, they force PG&E to convert to clean energy, because that will make sure that the amout of total energy produced will be smaller.
But when PG&E finds a way to produce equally large amounts of clean energy by using satellite panels, they resort to the forgery.

We will never use energy produced by satellite solar panels on a large scale. If Solaren will ever make it to produce it, expect the world chaos to be unleashed that moment, which will have us revert back to a Middle Age technology, as I presented in my thread.
Hello Emma Robinson,

Thanks so much for taking the interest to respond in such detail. Excellent points (especially the first one).

For more on the hoaxes I expose, click on the links below.

For the hoaxes of DEBORAH TAVARES, click here.
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?130336-The-hoaxes-of-deborah-tavares-(conspiracy-weaponized-weather-fires-depopulation).

For the hoaxes of CARL MILLER, click here.
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?131638-Carl-Miller-Richard-Champion&p=229161#post229161

For the hoaxes of FAKE "former deputy sheriff", EDDIE CRAIG, click here.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99564-Eddie-Craig-the-former-deputy-sheriff-hoax

For the hoaxes of ROD CLASS, click here.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99447-Rod-Class-his-many-hoaxes

All My Best,

Snoop
 

Emma Robertson

Active Member
I read there:

"AGENDA 21 IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT IN THE UNITED STATES!
Agenda 21 was only a SUGGESTION that member nations were permitted, BUT NOT REQUIRED TO ADOPT for themselves. While president Bush symbolically "signed" the Agenda 21 document, THE UNITED STATES SENATE REJECTED AGENDA 21, and under the United States Constitution, Senate approval is required for the United States to enter into a TREATY or to make federal law. (See the 2nd paragraph here. https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/article-ii-section-2 ). So, Agenda 21 IS NOT A TREATY , IS NOT THE LAW and CANNOT BE (AND IS NOT) ENFORCED anywhere in the United States. So, Agenda 21 is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT in the United States. The 5th paragraph here sums it up perfectly. https://www.splcenter.org/20140331/a...spiracy-theory . But, Deborah Tavares FRAUDULENTLY CONCEALS that CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FACT from her followers."

In Wikipedia I read:

"The United States is a signatory country to Agenda 21, but because Agenda 21 is a legally non-binding statement of intent and not a treaty, the United States Senate did not hold a formal debate or vote on it. It is therefore not considered to be law under Article Six of the United States Constitution."

So you say that the United States Senate rejected Agenda 21 while Wikipedia says that the United States Senate did not hold a formal debate or vote on it.

So, what is the correct information? It's not to find discrepancies to discredit you, far from it, I just want to make sure I have the correct information, because a formal rejection from the Federal Senate would be a strong position, which would also imply no local governments and States can adopt the Agenda 21 plan? (or is there separation of powers there, the federal from the state and local?) which is not true as we see that different cities have adopted it, while certain States have rejected it.
 

Emma Robertson

Active Member
I find this statement of yours very important:

"I actually intended to convey that Deborah Tavares uses INTENTIONAL FRAUD to incite hatred and violence against innocent Americans. I intended to convey that the INTENTIONAL FRAUD of Deborah Tavares is going to get innocent Americans killed. And those, like yourself, who support, enable and provide "cover" for Deborah Tavares will actually be complicit in that result. And, when that happens, Deborah Tavares will go from the perceived messiah and savior of her followers to the anti-Christ overnight."

Could you explain how the intentional fraud of Deborah Tavares is going to get innocent Americans killed? And why when that happens Deborah Tavares will go from the perceived messiah and savior to the anti-Christ overnight?

I have my own answer to that, but I would like to hear that from you, to make sure we mean the same.

My answer is that people like Deborah (there are many more) are pushing people against the ruling institutions to provide a pretext for civil war to break loose and thus kill many people. Although I can't figure out how she can appear as the anti-Christ when this happens. Is there more that we should know?
 

Jerry Russell

Administrator
Staff member
AGENDA 21 IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT IN THE UNITED STATES!
Having diligently followed the links given above, and searched with DDG and Google, I can find no evidence that the United States Senate ever held any formal debate on Agenda 21. However, it was indeed signed by GW Bush, and it was also debated and endorsed by the US House of Representatives in its Concurrent Resolution 353 of 1992.

Although it does not have the force of law, and is not an international treaty, nevertheless Agenda 21 has been highly influential. State and local land use laws and other environmental regulations are typically implemented based on model legislation provided by the ICLEI (International Council on Local Environmental Initiatives), a UN sponsored NGO. The "Agenda 21" brand name has been deprecated, but planners are continuing to pursue similar policies. As Gary Lawrence, a Seattle city planner and US Presidential advisor, explained in 1998:

http://downtowncary.org/the-future-of-local-agenda-21-in-the-new-millenium/

In the case of the U.S., our local authorities are engaged in planning processes consistent with Local Agenda 21 but there is little interest in using the Local Agenda 21 brand. Participating in a UN advocated planning process would very likely bring out many of the conspiracy-fixated groups and individuals in our society such as the National Rifle Association, citizen militias and some members of Congress. This segment of our society who fear ‘one-world government’ and a UN invasion of the United States through which our individual freedom would be stripped away would actively work to defeat any elected official who joined ‘the conspiracy’ by undertaking Local Agenda 21. So, we call our processes something else, such as comprehensive planning, growth management or smart growth.
 

snoop4truth

New Member
Hello Emma,

Thank you for your comment.

YOUR COMMENT: In Wikipedia I read: "The United States is a signatory country to Agenda 21, but because Agenda 21 is a legally non-binding statement of intent and not a treaty, the United States Senate did not hold a formal debate or vote on it. It is therefore not considered to be law under Article Six of the United States Constitution."

So you say that the United States Senate rejected Agenda 21 while Wikipedia says that the United States Senate did not hold a formal debate or vote on it.

So, what is the correct information? It's not to find discrepancies to discredit you, far from it, I just want to make sure I have the correct information,

MY RESPONSE: That is a distinction without a difference. The Constitution requires BOTH the President's signature and the Senate's "CONSENT" for the United States to enter into a treaty or convention. ANYTHING short of The Senate's actual "CONSENT" is a rejection of the treaty or convention. So the Senate's refusing to debate and refusing to vote on a treaty or convention is an INTENTIONAL rejection of that treaty or convention (because it is still the INTENTIONAL withholding of its CONSENT to that treaty or convention). The outcome (of the Senate INTENTIONALLY refusing to debate and INTENTIONALLY refusing to vote on a treaty or convention) is IDENTICAL to what would have happened had the Senate debated and voted against the treaty or convention (because either way is the INTENTIONAL withholding of Senatorial CONSENT). But, in the case of Agenda 21, the opposition in the Senate was so overwhelming that Agenda 21 did not even receive the dignity of a debate or vote. That is an INTENTIONAL rejection of Agenda 21 WITH AN EXCLAMATION MARK! Regardless, Agenda 21 did not become the law in the United States. The mechanics of how the Senate INTENTIONALLY withheld its CONSENT to Agenda 21 is entirely irrelevant. All that matters is that because the Senate INTENTIONALLY withheld its CONSENT, Agenda 21 did not become law in the United States. That is all that matters. This is why (what would have been Agenda 21) is completely irrelevant in the United States. It was a rejected suggestion. Nothing more.

YOUR COMMENT: ...because a formal rejection from the Federal Senate would be a strong position, which would also imply no local governments and States can adopt the Agenda 21 plan? (or is there separation of powers there, the federal from the state and local?) which is not true as we see that different cities have adopted it, while certain States have rejected it.

MY RESPONSE: Your understanding is incorrect. The Constitution forbids states and local governments from entering into any treaty or convention with a foreign nation or with the United Nations. (The federal government has a monopoly on that.). So, no state or local government may enter into Agenda 21 or into any other treaty or convention. But, states and local governments are permitted (not required) to adopt their own INDEPENDENT environmentally-friendly regulations by a majority vote of the citizens of those jurisdictions for representatives who support environmentally-friendly regulations. So, the voters still have the final say. That is the way thing work in our republic.

All The Best,

Snoop
 

snoop4truth

New Member
I find this statement of yours very important:

"I actually intended to convey that Deborah Tavares uses INTENTIONAL FRAUD to incite hatred and violence against innocent Americans. I intended to convey that the INTENTIONAL FRAUD of Deborah Tavares is going to get innocent Americans killed. And those, like yourself, who support, enable and provide "cover" for Deborah Tavares will actually be complicit in that result. And, when that happens, Deborah Tavares will go from the perceived messiah and savior of her followers to the anti-Christ overnight."

Could you explain how the intentional fraud of Deborah Tavares is going to get innocent Americans killed? And why when that happens Deborah Tavares will go from the perceived messiah and savior to the anti-Christ overnight?

I have my own answer to that, but I would like to hear that from you, to make sure we mean the same.

My answer is that people like Deborah (there are many more) are pushing people against the ruling institutions to provide a pretext for civil war to break loose and thus kill many people. Although I can't figure out how she can appear as the anti-Christ when this happens. Is there more that we should know?
Hello Emma,

YOUR COMMENT: Could you explain how the intentional fraud of Deborah Tavares is going to get innocent Americans killed?

MY RESPONSE: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -Voltaire. Deborah Tavares fraudulently attributes misconduct to Americans who are completely innocent. She is inciting hatred and violence against innocent Americans. See is going to get innocent American killed.

Take the "NASA War Document Hoax" for example. To this very day, Deborah Tavares fraudulently claims that the NASA War Document ITSELF proves that NASA is killing us all with HORRIFIC, DIABOLICAL, HIGH-TECH WEAPONS in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. (In fact, the NASA War Document actually proves that NASA is protecting us from such HORRIFIC, DIABOLICAL. HIGH-TECH WEAPONS by urging American Defense Contractors to develop COUNTER-MEASURES AGAINST THEM BEFORE THEY CAN BE DEVELOPED FOR USE AGAINST US.).

So, if due to the FEAR and HATRED that Deborah Tavares has fraudulently incited in them, a zealous group of her followers were to assassinate Dennis M. Bushnell (NASA's Chief Scientist who wrote the NASA War Document) and were to blow up NASA office buildings containing NASA workers (in the mistaken belief that they were saving mankind in the process), Deborah Tavares would go from a perceived messiah and savior of the world to an anti-Christ, terrorist, mass-murder, multi-convicted criminal and a traitor to the United States (GIVEN THAT NASA, IN CREATING THE NASA WAR DOCUMENT, WAS ACTUALLY TRYING TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM THE WEAPONS DESCRIBED IN THAT DOCUMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE!).

And, mark my words, sooner or later such a course of events is going to happen precisely because of the FEAR and HATRED that Deborah Tavares has intentionally instilled in her followers THROUGH HER ELABORATE HOAXES, like "The NASA War Document Hoax".


And mark my words, sooner or later, a similar course of events is also going to happen as a direct result of her INTENTIONAL FRAUD in connection with "The Judge DALE Hoax", the "Court Registry Investment System Hoax", the "All Governments Are Private, For-Profit Corporations Hoax" and several other of her hoaxes.

And, whether they realize it or not and whether they admit it or not, those followers of Deborah Tavares who enable, support and provide "cover" for her and her hoaxes (despite knowing she is a complete FRAUD) will be complicit in that result.

Deborah Tavares has lit a powder keg and sooner or later something TERRIBLE is going to happen! AND, IT ALL BE THE DIRECT RESULT OF A HOAX (OR HOAXES) SHE CREATED TO INCITE HATRED AND VIOLENCE AGAINST INNOCENT AMERICANS! CIVIL WARS have started for less. RIOTS IN THE STREETS have started for less. CITIES HAVE BURNED for less. For these reasons, Deborah Tavares may actually be the threat to mankind, not its messiah and savior.


YOUR COMMENT: And why when that happens Deborah Tavares will go from the perceived messiah and savior to the anti-Christ overnight?

MY RESPONSE: Because on the very day such a catastrophe occurs, intelligent people will explain to those people who were duped by Deborah Tavares that all those assassinations, explosions, riots and burning cities were all pointless BECAUSE HER CLAIMS ARE ALL LIES (ex: "NASA is currently killing us with diabolical weapons described in the NASA War Document" WHEN NASA IS ACTUALLY PROTECTING US FROM THOSE DIABOLICAL WEAPONS DESCRIBED IN THE NASA WAR DOCUMENT, "Agenda 21 is the cause of the California fires which destroyed the California forests" WHEN AGENDA 21 WAS ACTUALLY A REJECTED SUGGESTION THAT NEVER BECAME LAW AND WHICH WAS ACTUALLY INTENDED TO PREVENT THE DESTRUCTION OF THESE VERY FORESTS IN THE FIRST PLACE, "The Report From Iron Mountain proves that the United States is waging war against all of mankind" WHEN THE REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN IS ACTUALLY POLITICAL FICTION and was intended to make fun of perpetual war policies, "Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars proves that the Bilderbergs intend to kill us all with silent weapons in quiet wars" WHEN SILENT WEAPONS WAS ACTUALLY POLITCAL FICTION AND NEVER REFERRED TO THE BILDERBERGS IN THE FIRST PLACE, "All governments and government agencies are private, for-profit corporations which PROFIT from the injustice they inflict on Americans" WHEN SUCH IS PATENTLY NOT SO, "All law enforcement officers are private contractors who generate PROFITS for their private, for-profit employers" WHEN SUCH IS PATENTLY NOT SO, etc.).

All The Best,

Snoop
 

Emma Robertson

Active Member
Thank you for your clarifications Snoop. I understand your concerns.

One thing puzzles me though: if NASA personnel is at risk, among others targeted by these hoaxes, why is NASA not doing anything to stop Deborah Tavares? I made a search on Google and could not find any declaration by NASA concerning this fraud and this woman, no indictement, lawsuit against her. Yet, she has altered a NASA document and is using it to claim something utterly false about NASA. She is obviosly aware that that is not true, since she manipulated a document in order to make it appear as she wants, so it's not just the ranting of somebody worried of abuse of power by those in power.

Do you know of any legal pursuit by NASA that I could not find? I doubt that they are not aware of Deborah Tavares' accusations. Maybe they don't prosecute her because they are not worried. But if they are not worried should you be? I mean, should you be worried that Tavares' supporters attack and kill people at NASA when they are not worried by it? (I understand that you are rightly concerned about Tavares'hoaxes because you belong to one of the targeted categories, the lawyers, I am just talking about NASA here.)

Certainly when they are worried, those in power, have and use plenty of power to silence dissidents, as we have just been talking about the Julian Assange's case...https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/julian-assange-to-be-thrown-under-the-bus.2413/
 
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snoop4truth

New Member
Thank you for your clarifications Snoop. I understand your concerns.

One thing puzzles me though: if NASA personnel is at risk, among others targeted by these hoaxes, why is NASA not doing anything to stop Deborah Tavares? I made a search on Google and could not find any declaration by NASA concerning this fraud and this woman, no indictement, lawsuit against her. Yet, she has altered a NASA document and is using it to claim something utterly false about NASA. She is obviosly aware that that is not true, since she manipulated a document in order to make it appear as she wants, so it's not just the ranting of somebody worried of abuse of power by those in power.

Do you know of any legal pursuit by NASA that I could not find? I doubt that they are not aware of Deborah Tavares' accusations. Maybe they don't prosecute her because they are not worried. But if they are not worried should you be? I mean, should you be worried that Tavares' supporters attack and kill people at NASA when they are not worried by it? (I understand that you are rightly concerned about Tavares'hoaxes because you belong to one of the targeted categories, the lawyers, I am just talking about NASA here.)

Certainly when they are worried, those in power, have and use plenty of power to silence dissidents, as we have just been talking about the Julian Assange's case...https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/julian-assange-to-be-thrown-under-the-bus.2413/
Hello Emma,

Sorry for the delay in responding to your comment. I just found this. Please let me know when I have business to attend on this site by writing me at snoop4truth@gmail.com.

YOUR COMMENT: One thing puzzles me though: if NASA personnel is at risk, among others targeted by these hoaxes, why is NASA not doing anything to stop Deborah Tavares?

MY RESPONSE: I don't know. You would have to ask NASA personnel that question. My guess is that either NASA personnel do not know that Deborah Tavares has put them in the cross-hairs or NASA personnel believe they have the security to guard against those dupes who have become radicalized by Deborah Tavares' hoaxes.

YOUR COMMENT: I made a search on Google and could not find any declaration by NASA concerning this fraud and this woman, no indictment, lawsuit against her. Yet, she has altered a NASA document and is using it to claim something utterly false about NASA. She is obviously aware that that is not true, since she manipulated a document in order to make it appear as she wants, so it's not just the ranting of somebody worried of abuse of power by those in power.

MY RESPONSE: Yes. Deborah Tavares knows when she is committing intentional fraud on the American people. She knows when she is forging and altering documents. She knows when she is lying about what a document really says. She doesn't care. As long as an altered document or a vicious lie serves to incite hatred and fear against innocent Americans, she will use them in furtherance of that goal. Only the truth can stop her.

YOUR COMMENT: Do you know of any legal pursuit by NASA that I could not find? I doubt that they are not aware of Deborah Tavares' accusations. Maybe they don't prosecute her because they are not worried. But if they are not worried should you be? I mean, should you be worried that Tavares' supporters attack and kill people at NASA when they are not worried by it? (I understand that you are rightly concerned about Tavares' hoaxes because you belong to one of the targeted categories, the lawyers, I am just talking about NASA here.)

MY RESPONSE: No. I know of no action taken by NASA against Deborah Tavares or her lies. The people who work at NASA are engineers and scientists. They do not watch conspiracy theory videos and visit conspiracy theory websites in search of "facts". Even if they did, these NASA people would likely think that that no one dumb enough to believe in such absurdities would be intelligent enough to represent a real threat to NASA personnel in the way of an assassination or terrorist attack.

But, I do not share this view. Many of Deborah Tavares' followers are mentally ill. Many suffer from schizophrenia. Many of these people are intelligent, but they are delusional. So, while intelligent, they believe in absurdities. That is a dangerous combination. Nothing is more dangerous than delusional person with a cause (especially when that cause is imaginary).

And, you are correct. NASA personnel are not the only people that Tavares has placed in the cross-hairs. Tavares has targeted every civil servant, clerk, police officer, soldier, judge, lawyer, attorney, elected official, elected lawmaker, public school official, public school teacher, environmentalist, city council member, zoning board member, etc. The list of targets goes on forever. So, if people who believe in Tavares' absurdities take "retaliatory" action against these targets, they have a number of softer targets to attack who do not enjoy the security that NASA personnel enjoy. All of us should be concerned about the consequences of the lies of a pathological liar like Deborah Tavares. There are plenty of dupes who believe her.

YOUR COMMENTS: Certainly when they are worried, those in power, have and use plenty of power to silence dissidents, as we have just been talking about the Julian Assange's case...https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/julian-assange-to-be-thrown-under-the-bus.2413/

MY RESPONSE: There is a marked distinction between Julian Assange and Deborah Tavares. Julian Assange represents a threat TO GOVERNMENTS because he is leaking FACTUAL INFORMATION to protect innocent people from harm. On the other hand, Deborah represents a threat TO INNOCENT PEOPLE by manufacturing and peddling FRAUDULENT INFORMATION to incite hatred and violence against innocent people. She is no real threat to governments, because she is lying. There is no moral equivalence between the conduct of Julian Assange (who actually has a moral compass) and Deborah Tavares (who does not). And, a person like Julian Assange represents a much greater threat to government because his information is TRUE. The information manufactured and peddled by Deborah Tavares is not.

Best Regards,

Snoop
 
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Emma Robertson

Active Member
Many of Deborah Tavares' followers are mentally ill. Many suffer from schizophrenia. Many of these people are intelligent, but they are delusional. So, while intelligent, they believe in absurdities. That is a dangerous combination. Nothing is more dangerous than delusional person with a cause (especially when that cause is imaginary).
Unfortunately your concerns are well-founded. The H.A.A.R.P. facility in Alaska has been under threat and two men were planning to destroy it because of the conspiracies spread against it. It was just by chance that they were discovered.

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2016/11/01/2-men-arrested-in-georgia-planned-to-attack-alaska-aurora-research-facility-investigators-say/

Georgia men plotted attack on Alaska aurora research facility to 'release souls,' detective says


November 1, 2016

Two men arrested last week in southern Georgia were planning to attack an aurora research facility owned by the University of Alaska Fairbanks around which conspiracy theories of mind control have long swirled, investigators said.


Television station WALB in Georgia first reported Monday that investigators with the Coffee County Sheriff's Office arrested Michael Mancil, 30, and James Dryden Jr., 22, on Thursday and said "the massive amount of arsenal seized looked like something out of a movie, one where a small army was headed to war."

Michael Vickers, a detective with the sheriff's office, told Alaska Dispatch News that both men confessed "that God told them to go and blow this machine up that kept souls, so souls could be released."

"All I can tell you is they were planning on blowing up the machine," Vickers said. "Going to try to find a scientist, to steal his car and ID badge to gain access. Any scientist."


[....]

Marmian Grimes, a spokeswoman at UAF, said that while HAARP has been the target of threats before, "in the recent past there hasn't been anything quite this extreme planned." She didn't have specific details about other threats.

"We're just very glad and thankful to the law enforcement agency in Georgia for following up on that and being able to apprehend those individuals," she said. "There's lots and lots of conspiracy theories and … it's important to remember that actually this is a scientific research facility."




https://www.walb.com/story/33541811/suspected-terrorists-believe-research-facility-controls-minds-traps-souls/

Suspected terrorists believe research facility controls minds, traps souls

Investigators discovered the plot after starting to investigate Mancil for possible drug sales.

A local gun shop also alerted investigators to the fact that Mancil was trying to buy a large amount of weapons.

"He's never known to be violent. This past four to six weeks he just snapped and just changed. His whole personality changed," said Wooten.
Wooten said Mancil plotted with Dryden to destroy HAARP because they believe conspiracy theories claiming the facility manipulates the weather, controls minds and even traps the souls of people.

HAARP officials have security in place to prevent such attacks.




Such a conspirational idea might stem from a 1988 movie:


So-called "Targeted Individuals" (or TI's, for short) believe they are being deliberately harassed and having their minds manipulated by everything from microwaves to ELF, and of course HAARP is supposedly coordinating it all.

TI's claims of being the unwilling victims of evil government mind control were likely influenced by the 1988 John Carpenter sci-fi film They LiveWikipedia's W.svg. A central plot feature of the film is a powerful mind control transmitter disguised as a cable TV station. The electromagnetic radiation from this TV transmitter enslaves the population and keeps them docile and compliant. But in the exciting finale, the film's "awake" hero (and his buddy) bravely attack the station with AR-15s, shoot up people and equipment, and destroy the huge satellite dish antenna on the rooftop. It's doubtful Carpenter could have known that some people would be unable to tell fantasy from reality.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/HAARP
 
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Emma Robertson

Active Member
The people who work at NASA are engineers and scientists. They do not watch conspiracy theory videos and visit conspiracy theory websites in search of "facts".
Have you considered being the one to inform them? If they take action that will also help you and all the less protected targeted categories...
 

snoop4truth

New Member
Unfortunately your concerns are well-founded. The H.A.A.R.P. facility in Alaska has been under threat and two men were planning to destroy it because of the conspiracies spread against it. It was just by chance that they were discovered.

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2016/11/01/2-men-arrested-in-georgia-planned-to-attack-alaska-aurora-research-facility-investigators-say/

Georgia men plotted attack on Alaska aurora research facility to 'release souls,' detective says


November 1, 2016

Two men arrested last week in southern Georgia were planning to attack an aurora research facility owned by the University of Alaska Fairbanks around which conspiracy theories of mind control have long swirled, investigators said.


Television station WALB in Georgia first reported Monday that investigators with the Coffee County Sheriff's Office arrested Michael Mancil, 30, and James Dryden Jr., 22, on Thursday and said "the massive amount of arsenal seized looked like something out of a movie, one where a small army was headed to war."

Michael Vickers, a detective with the sheriff's office, told Alaska Dispatch News that both men confessed "that God told them to go and blow this machine up that kept souls, so souls could be released."

"All I can tell you is they were planning on blowing up the machine," Vickers said. "Going to try to find a scientist, to steal his car and ID badge to gain access. Any scientist."


[....]

Marmian Grimes, a spokeswoman at UAF, said that while HAARP has been the target of threats before, "in the recent past there hasn't been anything quite this extreme planned." She didn't have specific details about other threats.

"We're just very glad and thankful to the law enforcement agency in Georgia for following up on that and being able to apprehend those individuals," she said. "There's lots and lots of conspiracy theories and … it's important to remember that actually this is a scientific research facility."




https://www.walb.com/story/33541811/suspected-terrorists-believe-research-facility-controls-minds-traps-souls/

Suspected terrorists believe research facility controls minds, traps souls

Investigators discovered the plot after starting to investigate Mancil for possible drug sales.

A local gun shop also alerted investigators to the fact that Mancil was trying to buy a large amount of weapons.

"He's never known to be violent. This past four to six weeks he just snapped and just changed. His whole personality changed," said Wooten.
Wooten said Mancil plotted with Dryden to destroy HAARP because they believe conspiracy theories claiming the facility manipulates the weather, controls minds and even traps the souls of people.

HAARP officials have security in place to prevent such attacks.




Such a conspirational idea might stem from a 1988 movie:


So-called "Targeted Individuals" (or TI's, for short) believe they are being deliberately harassed and having their minds manipulated by everything from microwaves to ELF, and of course HAARP is supposedly coordinating it all.

TI's claims of being the unwilling victims of evil government mind control were likely influenced by the 1988 John Carpenter sci-fi film They LiveWikipedia's W.svg's W.svg. A central plot feature of the film is a powerful mind control transmitter disguised as a cable TV station. The electromagnetic radiation from this TV transmitter enslaves the population and keeps them docile and compliant. But in the exciting finale, the film's "awake" hero (and his buddy) bravely attack the station with AR-15s, shoot up people and equipment, and destroy the huge satellite dish antenna on the rooftop. It's doubtful Carpenter could have known that some people would be unable to tell fantasy from reality.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/HAARP
Hello Emma,

Thanks for the email "heads up".

YOUR COMMENT: Unfortunately your concerns are well-founded. The H.A.A.R.P. facility in Alaska has been under threat and two men were planning to destroy it because of the conspiracies spread against it. It was just by chance that they were discovered.

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2016/11/01/2-men-arrested-in-georgia-planned-to-attack-alaska-aurora-research-facility-investigators-say/

Georgia men plotted attack on Alaska aurora research facility to 'release souls,' detective says


November 1, 2016

Two men arrested last week in southern Georgia were planning to attack an aurora research facility owned by the University of Alaska Fairbanks around which conspiracy theories of mind control have long swirled, investigators said.


Television station WALB in Georgia first reported Monday that investigators with the Coffee County Sheriff's Office arrested Michael Mancil, 30, and James Dryden Jr., 22, on Thursday and said "the massive amount of arsenal seized looked like something out of a movie, one where a small army was headed to war."

Michael Vickers, a detective with the sheriff's office, told Alaska Dispatch News that both men confessed "that God told them to go and blow this machine up that kept souls, so souls could be released."

"All I can tell you is they were planning on blowing up the machine," Vickers said. "Going to try to find a scientist, to steal his car and ID badge to gain access. Any scientist."


[....]

Marmian Grimes, a spokeswoman at UAF, said that while HAARP has been the target of threats before, "in the recent past there hasn't been anything quite this extreme planned." She didn't have specific details about other threats.

"We're just very glad and thankful to the law enforcement agency in Georgia for following up on that and being able to apprehend those individuals," she said. "There's lots and lots of conspiracy theories and … it's important to remember that actually this is a scientific research facility."




https://www.walb.com/story/33541811/suspected-terrorists-believe-research-facility-controls-minds-traps-souls/

Suspected terrorists believe research facility controls minds, traps souls

Investigators discovered the plot after starting to investigate Mancil for possible drug sales.

A local gun shop also alerted investigators to the fact that Mancil was trying to buy a large amount of weapons.

"He's never known to be violent. This past four to six weeks he just snapped and just changed. His whole personality changed," said Wooten.
Wooten said Mancil plotted with Dryden to destroy HAARP because they believe conspiracy theories claiming the facility manipulates the weather, controls minds and even traps the souls of people.

HAARP officials have security in place to prevent such attacks.




Such a conspirational idea might stem from a 1988 movie:


So-called "Targeted Individuals" (or TI's, for short) believe they are being deliberately harassed and having their minds manipulated by everything from microwaves to ELF, and of course HAARP is supposedly coordinating it all.

TI's claims of being the unwilling victims of evil government mind control were likely influenced by the 1988 John Carpenter sci-fi film They LiveWikipedia's W.svg's W.svg. A central plot feature of the film is a powerful mind control transmitter disguised as a cable TV station. The electromagnetic radiation from this TV transmitter enslaves the population and keeps them docile and compliant. But in the exciting finale, the film's "awake" hero (and his buddy) bravely attack the station with AR-15s, shoot up people and equipment, and destroy the huge satellite dish antenna on the rooftop. It's doubtful Carpenter could have known that some people would be unable to tell fantasy from reality.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/HAARP

MY RESPONSE: Emma, thank you very much for this info. When I said Deborah Tavares was going to get innocent Americans killed by her hoaxes, I was not joking. I meant it. It is a miracle that such has not already occurred. Thank you so much.

All My Best,

Snoop
 

snoop4truth

New Member
Have you considered being the one to inform them? If they take action that will also help you and all the less protected targeted categories...
MY RESPONSE: My brother has worked for NASA for almost 40 years. He is top management. I'll see that he gets my info and yours.

Thanks Again,

Snoop
 
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