Aug 26: Gary Johnson, Libertarian for President

Jerry Russell

Staff member
In this video, Johnson explains that 'illegal immigrant' is an incendiary term among Hispanic voters, and that Trump's plan to evict 11 million Hispanics is a human rights abomination. He says some immigration has been "technically" illegal. And I think that's right on: when a so-called law is openly flouted for many years, it has been nullified, and enforcement after the fact is an outrage.

Right On Gary! But sad to say, judging from the reaction, this is costing him some votes.


Flavi Anna

New Member
I share Joe's reluctance to jump onboard the "Libertarian"/Johnson train. What true libertarian and presidential candidate would consider mandating vaccination for all, as Johnson did, before reportedly changing his stance? It appears he has a pattern of sloppy or deficient research on issues any candidate should be sharp on.

Would a true libertarian pick an establishment running mate, like Weld?
Truthstream Media on the Johnson ticket as spoiler:

Our elections are a sham and our candidates are puppets. They need to put on a show sufficient to convince average American TV viewers that their votes matter and that citizens have buy-in to crappy government policies that only benefit the oligarchs at citizens' expense. You'd think that more people would recognize the pattern by now, after so many election cycles of torch-passing between the two phony parties with no real difference in policy. Maybe more people have awakened than we're aware of, since our main connection to each other is through controlled sources...?

Larry Nichols, former Clinton insider and now foe, said that the third party trick is the clincher for Hillary. If I remember correctly, he called it the "40-40-20 rule." If they can convince the public that the third party candidate gets enough votes to cover the spread between the two major candidates, they can justify her winning.

How ironic that we Americans growing up during the original Cold War were steeped in fear of the Soviet Union's totalitarian system, only to find ourselves now wondering if Russians have more freedom than we do. I wish there were someone well-versed in Russian culture we could learn from to determine if they too have been exposed to such a Matrix-like façade of psychological deceit and debasement...

Does anyone wonder as I do if Putin and the Chinese leaders are in on the sham?

Jerry Russell

Staff member
The TruthMedia video seems to think that Hillary winning would be a far more fearful outcome than Trump winning. Anybody who thinks Trump is really a lot better than Hillary, should probably vote for Trump. I agree with Webster Tarpley, that Trump would be a bigger problem.

But for whatever it's worth, the polls right now are showing Johnson drawing equally from Hillary and Trump supporters. Johnson's position on multiculturalism and diversity is much closer to Hillary than Trump. Johnson is not any panacea, but I still think he has a basic level of mental health and competence that's totally lacking in the two big-party candidates this year.

Flavi Anna

New Member
I share your distrust of Trump. He apparently is a flip-flopper and was chummy with the Clintons until some point. I'm curious to find out what and when was the turning point for him regarding his negativity toward Hillary and Bill. I wouldn't be surprised to learn it was not long before his candidacy.

He's captured disenfranchised voters' affection by telling them what they want to hear, as Obama did, as Bush did, as Clinton did...

What I liked hearing from him was lipservice questioning the official 9/11 conspiracy theory, promotion of better relations with Putin/Russia, border protection, and a hat tip to those against mandatory vaccination. Some of his rhetoric is as scary as Hillary's. His selection of Giuliani for Homeland Security Chief, among his other associations, is the red flag that he will continue in the obfuscation of justice and promotion of the National Security/Police State, as all administrations of late have done.

Wouldn't it be a funny twist if Hillary were the ringer for Trump? Any way, we're screwed.

Tough times ahead.

Richard Stanley

Well-Known Member
It's all Kabuki theater IMHO, including the triangulation with Putin over things like server hacking and such.

Watched an interesting interview of Johnson on NPR. He was saying that he has the majority of independents, and that while it is the independents that are the largest swing voters he is being denied a seat at the debates.

Speaking of which, a friend sent the following to me this morning, about throwing spaghetti at the wall. The interviewee is a former Trump ghostwriter:

He’s worried about a habit he noticed during Ms. Clinton’s performance at a national security forum hosted by NBC News a week ago:

“What I would hope is that she doesn’t go the same route she did with Matt Lauer when he started coming at her relentlessly, which was to revert to her knowledge, to revert to her ability to produce a hundred facts in a short period of time,” he says. “Because this debate is going to turn not a bit on the issues. It’s going to turn on emotion, it’s going to turn on which candidate makes all of us feel safer and which candidate makes us feel less safe. And the one who wins that contest wins the debate — and probably wins the election.”

Mr. Schwartz is helping Mrs. Clinton as part of his long (and possibly futile) effort to make up for the guilt he feels about setting Mr. Trump on a path to fame by ghostwriting his book. “I don’t think I can ever even the score; I don’t think I can ever set it totally straight,” he says. All he can do now, he says, is “say the truth that I know in the service of trying to help save the country and the world from a guy who is exceptionally dangerous.”

In the episode, we explore the profoundly contrasting style of preparation and showmanship that Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton bring to the debate with my colleagues, Frank Bruni, an opinion columnist, and Amy Chozick, a reporter who has covered Mrs. Clinton for the last two years.

“I think of Trump as a toddler sitting in a high chair,” Mr. Bruni says. “And his advisers are saying ‘Donald, you must get through the meal without throwing your spaghetti on the wall.’ So the question is, will they successfully persuade him not to throw his spaghetti on the wall before the debate ends?”