Aug. 10 Podcast, "Rulers of Evil" by Tupper Saussy

Tyrone McCloskey

Active Member
Fantastic podcast- Really filled in some blanks for me- I've been after the Roman curch forever given how much hypocrisy has been demonstrated to me point blank since I was a third grader- I'm linking wherever I can- Downloadability of the casts for outsiders is paramount-

Jerry Russell

Staff member
Thanks Tyrone, glad it was helpful for you. The download problem should be fixed, let me know if there are any further issues.
The more conspiracy theories I read the more I agree with comments made by academics who I abhor when they call all post-modern thinking names which they should be ashamed to say in public.

The Roman Catholic Church is important but no more important than the Mafia who they teamed up with to bankrupt Italy in the Gelli affair. I was offered his story and turned down writing it, because I know P2 was an FOGC development and I heard from the Mafia historian who asked me to write it, that Gelli or Calvi (which ever one survived) did not think they were influenced by any top secret (even to the Masons) group involved with demons and their worship.

In fact if you include people like Trump and Wynn or other Mafia children with a lot of money therefrom it is entirely possible to say the Mafia are more important than this once dominant Churchian horde who John Paul II said were responsible for "two millennia of heinous acts". John Paul II was a Jesuit and a friend of a friend of mine who had to leave Poland after his role with Solidarity.

I have not read Tupper's book but I believe Jim Marrs and people on his website not only read it but quoted it to me and in the case of Jim, I think I read him quoting Tupper.

But Jim said I was the expert on ancient secret societies, and his interests were understandably in selling books. I had difficulty when he showed up in Alien Intervention circles.

Let me pose a couple of questions for those who have read his work.

Does he say Thomists follow an alchemist and they are the largest philosophy in Catholicism?

Does he cover the work of Malachi Martin who was advisor to three 20th C. Popes?

Does he explain the many De Medicis Popes and who they are and why the Borgias married them?

Does he mention the De Medicis family name on the Corpus Hermeticum which they paid to have translated - and why did they do that?

Does he cover the possibility that inside agents of this Church worked against the stated goals? Does he identify various of these double and triple agents?

Does he show how the Westphalian Treaty codified a new Divine Right of Kings into Sovereign Rights?

And as the Al Pacino character in Godfather III found out - the Vatican bankers ran the day and assassinated the Pope.
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Jerry Russell

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The Roman Catholic Church is important but no more important than the Mafia who they teamed up with to bankrupt Italy in the Gelli affair.
That seems pretty unlikely to me, Robert. The Catholic Church currently has 1.25 billion members, and The Economist estimates their annual income at $170 billion.

Whereas like any secret criminal society, the Mafia (that is, the Sicilian Mafia aka the Cosa Nostra and its affiliates) has a relatively tiny, secret membership whose power and reach is difficult to estimate, but Wiki thinks their annual revenue is about 6.5 billion euro in Italy.

So based on these figures, one would need to guess that the Catholic Church has far greater influence than the Mafia; as well as being a far more respectable and highly esteemed organization.

Moreover, there have been long-standing accusations that the Roman Catholic Church and the Mafia are deeply linked; as the Catholic Church, of course, will not openly acknowledge. See, for example:

Now, in response to your questions about Saussy:

1. He does not discuss Thomas Aquinas, nor does he mention alchemy.

2. He does not discuss Malachi Martin.

3. He has a chapter entitled 'Medici Learning' in which he discusses Clement VII, but does not mention the Borgias.

4. He does not mention the Corpus Hermeticum or other hermetical works.

5. He does not discuss double and triple agents, nor does he identify any.

6. He does not mention the Westphalian Treaty.

7. He does mention the Rothschilds and their role as Vatican bankers, but does not mention that any Vatican bankers were responsible for assassinating any Popes.

I'm not sure what you're driving at with your questions. Saussy's book is focused and coherent, and generally tries to support its claims with detailed research; accordingly, it is hardly a fault that he doesn't cover every imaginable topic.
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