Are such Pisotic revelations essentially 'limited hangouts'?

Richard Stanley

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Due to the seemingly uniform ambiguity of these linkages can they thus serve as some form of limited hangout that perhaps stokes both the vanity of the true masters and those 'servants' who are releasing such inner knowledge? And at the end of the day we have no idea who either of these two, Reuchlin or Roman Piso are.

Such as the massive use of sexual innuendo, e.g. "the raising of trumpets" and such, seems pretty obvious on a perverse comedic level, and perhaps in line with a psychotic drive to maintain control through any means possible. To achieve the first more 'innocent' level of the most common innuendo Piso discusses we must be reminded of the still current refrain about "Beans, beans, the magical fruit, ..." to easily arrive at the actual instrument being alluded to. To get to the next level, one only need understand the prevalence of so-called Greek sexual 'culture' at the time.

As for Reuchlin's use of numerology, I have not taken the time to verify these numbers to see if they make any sense, however, even if they do, the use they have been put to is nowhere up to what David Fideler definitively revealed in Sun of God for 'sacred' Pythagorean numerology embedded within the NT, which is multilayered geometrical constructions relating to the Sun.

So then, this presents an interesting and likely reconcilable enigma if both rather sophisticated and 'sacred' (to somebody at least) cult knowledge is embedded along with rather sophomoric and psychopathic humor is there as well. We know that the god of the OT has a dual nature, because he explicitly states so.

One also gets into the 'Chrest' issue. I believe that several, if not most, of the frequently claimed extra-biblical mentions of Christ are really referring to 'Chrest'. In the case of the Nero incident, I believe it was stated that someone named 'Chrest' was inciting the 'Chrestians' and thus Nero turned them into human candles. This individual named Chrest would be an anachronism to the claims of the normative gospels. And here we get the the claims of Bartram about such as the Flavians, Josephus, and Poppaea being part of a secret cult, of the Chrestians, of which there are many 'Chrest' inscriptions found throughout the Mediterranean, as discussed by Bartram.

Given that contemporaneous mystery cults, and such as masonry, operate on different levels of understanding, might any such crude humor serve to help mask the inner layers?
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I wonder if this distinction between "Chrest" and "Christ" is part of the developmental scenario. That is, the name of "Chrest" might have been associated with a fictional character who was the centerpiece of "Chrestian" worship during the pre-war period, as described in lost gospels such as "ur-Mark" or "Q" or "Hebrew Matthew", and whose death and resurrection was based on Caesar's funeral. When the canonical gospels appeared, the central fictional character was revised & updated to conform with the Flavian viewpoint. In case anybody noticed and complained about the difference, it could be plausibly denied on the basis that Chrest and Christ were different characters.

Or a simpler explanation: could the variation be a result of translations back and forth between Aramaic, Greek and Latin versions of the story, leading to confusion over spelling?
Yes, I think that if Bartram is correct, that Chrest, being significant within the solar numerology according to Fideler, was then easily transitioned to Christ, which has no such significance. Thus, the possibility of an inner church and an outer one. The transition, according to Bartram occurs by simply erasing part of the 'e' and making it become an 'i'. Bartram shows just such an erasure in the Codex Sinaiticus.
My incomplete reading of Bartram suggests that Chrest is not a person, fictional or otherwise, but descriptive, added to the nomina sacra, such as IS (Isis?) or XP- That is: IS Chrest, as in the “Isis, the Great and the Good ”, or thereabouts (something sort of like the Muslim add-on: “Blessed be His name/ Peace be upon Him”) If memory serves, Bartram, John also cited the term as having been in use at least a century or more earlier than the common era- (Bar (Aramaic)= Son of/ the middle T = a cross/ Ram= Ancestor of David/ Shofar, the ram’s horn- John= Yehohanan (יְהוֹחָנָן), "Yahweh is Gracious”….I digress…)

He also appears to suggest that the name/title “Christ” does not appear in print in any reliable NT context until the 9th century or so- Therefore, it would appear that translation errors would not be the issue- It might also suggest, in my view, that by the time of Charlemagne, the original intent of the Flavians in using this psychological weaponry had long since been abandoned and the original armature, typology and all, was used to outfit a new, improved (and "historical") version of canonical texts in establishing and maintaining the new wholly Roman Empire (sans Romans)- …the digging continues…
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According to that Heinsohn paper that Giles found, the 9th century followed immediately on the heels of the 3rd century, and Guyla Toth says Charlemagne and Constantine were one and the same...
My incomplete reading of Bartram suggests that Chrest is not a person, fictional or otherwise, but descriptive, added to the nomina sacra, such as IS (Isis?) or XP- That is: IS Chrest, as in the “Isis, the Great and the Good ”, or thereabouts
Hi Tyrone,

Yes, that is my understanding as well. As such, I need to check those statements regarding the Nero incident as to what exactly was said, e.g. "followers of Chrest". As I just wrote it, it would be ambiguous as to whether Chrest was referring to an individual or a disembodied sacred name.
According to that Heinsohn paper that Giles found, the 9th century followed immediately on the heels of the 3rd century, and Guyla Toth says Charlemagne and Constantine were one and the same
Hello, Jerry Russell- Is that Gunnar Heinsohn you are referring to? And is the paper Giles found posted on the forum? I've read Heinsohn before, what there is in english. He has a theory that a population of males under thirty that comprised more than 30% of said population meant that population was inevitably going to war, if memory serves- I wonder if that has any validity- There's a birth rate component tied to that as well- Below replacement birthrates meant a peaceful population- Given that (yes, this is quite a digression) German birth rates are low, the infusion of able bodied young male Syrian "refugees" might be tied to that idea- Heinsohn might have an interesting take on that-
Richard- My favorite Nero:
How are you Tyrone
So what cool stuff have you been learning etc.
I love your stuff
Have learned a lot From you !
Would love to read more of your stuff please
To comment on the first posting of Richard concerning "Chrest" inciting "Chrestians" under Nero, Suetonius states that "Chrestus" was inciting the Jews in the reign of Claudius in his "Lives of the Twelve Caesars" at Claudius 25, "Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus,[74] he (Claudius) expelled them from Rome", and Tacitus states that the fire of Rome was blamed by Nero on the "Christians", followers of "Christus", executed by "Pontius Pilatus" in his "Annals", Book 15, Chapter 44: "Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus". Interestingly enough, Tacitus make it clear that he owed his elevation to the Flavian emperors in his "Histories" 1.1. Could he have been a member of the Imperial "team" writing the Roman version of "Christus" for the masses?
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Yes, I think such as Tacitus was part of the 'writing team', just as is speculated for Shakespeare.

As you have 'exposed', I too easily (by design?) conflated just who was being incited by this 'Chrestus'. Of course, the imperial counter-intelligence minions would insist on precision in exactly who is being referred to, so as to effect the best outcome for the imperium. Since Tacitus' Annals are written for a wider, albeit yet elite, audience he is under no obligations to be so precise, in fact, probably the opposite is the case.

You like Chrestus and I like Crest much
You like Pepsodent and I like Christus
Christus, Chrestus, Pepsodent, Crestmas
Let's call the whole thing off​

In any case, there is a theory that the expulsion of the Jews from Rome by Claudius was done under this pretext, so that they could be put to better use elsewhere. The same is likely, IMO, for other expulsions and for such as the Jesuit Disestablishment.
Regardless of the theories of "Roman Piso", I find it intriguing that, historically, various Calpurnii Pisones were married to Julius Caesar at the time of his assassination, accused of poisoning Germanicus (heir of Tiberius, brother of Claudius, and father of Caligula), author of a conspiracy against Nero, and heir of the Emperor Galba. The Calpurnii claimed descent from Calpus, son of the Sabine Roman King Numa Pompilius.
One of the reasons I feel so enamored of the Postflavian concept of the False Dialectic of Western Civilization (Jews vs. Gentiles) is the ubiquitous employment of 'frenemy' power competition within the Sabine tribal structure. They can change from one governance structure to another (colonial conquistadors, cuckolding kings, republicans, emperors, popes, kings, democratic puppetmasters), one dynastic clan to the next, but the Sabine tribal corporation goes on.

The average person only sees the superficial power struggles and stops his analysis there, usually preferring then to choose sides. Cui bono?
So, broadly speaking, "Roman Piso" may be right to implicate his "family" within this Sabine power structure, with all of the name changing and position jockeying from century to century. He even carries them right up to the present day with ancient Piso genealogies for Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, but I have seen these dubious pedigrees on the Internet before, and besides, anyone who descends from Charlemagne (including myself) is a descendant of the Piso family, Josephus, "Jesus", Roman Emperors, and Popes, according to him, so we have a lot of "pretenders" living in the world today!
Oh yes, I should add that the "Pontifex Maximus" (Pope) position was created long before the Roman Catholic Church gained it from the Roman Emperors, long before even Julius Caesar obtained that title (as Tupper Saussy noted), by presumed Piso forefather the said Sabine Roman King Numa Pompilius.
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but the Sabine tribal corporation goes on.
Most definitely! Jeff Bezos, the richest person in the world, with a one man "tribal corporation" that "goes on" today if there ever was one, apparently has through his mother several English royal descents, including some from the de Vere family, and we know where that leads back to, thanks to Nicholas the deceased de Vere. The Number 2 and Number 3 wealthiest "corporation" people in the world, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, both descend from redheaded Norman William the Conqueror and the redheaded Foulques Counts of Anjou, the younger branch of the de Vere Counts of Anjou, again according to Nicholas de Vere.
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The average person only sees the superficial power struggles and stops his analysis there, usually preferring then to choose sides. Cui bono?
Yes, as Tupper tells us, the "Rulers of Evil" divide and conquer, but the "average person" has nothing to fear if he submits to the authorities and pays his taxes, as Mr. Saussy learned for himself through trial and error, and was given the protection of Anu to spread the "good news" (gospel) as a limited warning in plain sight.