Are such Pisotic revelations essentially 'limited hangouts'?

Discussion in 'Jane the Virgin' started by Richard Stanley, Jan 2, 2016.

  1. Richard Stanley

    Richard Stanley Administrator

    Due to the seemingly uniform ambiguity of these linkages can they thus serve as some form of limited hangout that perhaps stokes both the vanity of the true masters and those 'servants' who are releasing such inner knowledge? And at the end of the day we have no idea who either of these two, Reuchlin or Roman Piso are.

    Such as the massive use of sexual innuendo, e.g. "the raising of trumpets" and such, seems pretty obvious on a perverse comedic level, and perhaps in line with a psychotic drive to maintain control through any means possible. To achieve the first more 'innocent' level of the most common innuendo Piso discusses we must be reminded of the still current refrain about "Beans, beans, the magical fruit, ..." to easily arrive at the actual instrument being alluded to. To get to the next level, one only need understand the prevalence of so-called Greek sexual 'culture' at the time.

    As for Reuchlin's use of numerology, I have not taken the time to verify these numbers to see if they make any sense, however, even if they do, the use they have been put to is nowhere up to what David Fideler definitively revealed in Sun of God for 'sacred' Pythagorean numerology embedded within the NT, which is multilayered geometrical constructions relating to the Sun.

    So then, this presents an interesting and likely reconcilable enigma if both rather sophisticated and 'sacred' (to somebody at least) cult knowledge is embedded along with rather sophomoric and psychopathic humor is there as well. We know that the god of the OT has a dual nature, because he explicitly states so.

    One also gets into the 'Chrest' issue. I believe that several, if not most of the frequently claimed extra-biblical mentions of Christ are really referring to 'Chrest'. In the case of the Nero incident, I believe it was stated that someone named 'Chrest' was inciting the 'Chrestians' and thus Nero turned them into human candles. This individual named Chrest would be an anachronism to the claims of the normative gospels. And here we get the the claims of Bartram about such as the Flavians, Josephus, and Poppaea being part of a secret cult, of the Chrestians, of which there are many 'Chrest' inscriptions found throughout the Mediterranean, as discussed by Bartram.

    Given that contemporaneous mystery cults, and such as masonry, operate on different levels of understanding, might any such crude humor serve to help mask the inner layers?
  2. Jerry Russell

    Jerry Russell Administrator Staff Member

    I wonder if this distinction between "Chrest" and "Christ" is part of the developmental scenario. That is, the name of "Chrest" might have been associated with a fictional character who was the centerpiece of "Chrestian" worship during the pre-war period, as described in lost gospels such as "ur-Mark" or "Q" or "Hebrew Matthew", and whose death and resurrection was based on Caesar's funeral. When the canonical gospels appeared, the central fictional character was revised & updated to conform with the Flavian viewpoint. In case anybody noticed and complained about the difference, it could be plausibly denied on the basis that Chrest and Christ were different characters.

    Or a simpler explanation: could the variation be a result of translations back and forth between Aramaic, Greek and Latin versions of the story, leading to confusion over spelling?
  3. Richard Stanley

    Richard Stanley Administrator

    Yes, I think that if Bartram is correct, that Chrest, being significant within the solar numerology according to Fideler, was then easily transitioned to Christ, which has no such significance. Thus, the possibility of an inner church and an outer one. The transition, according to Bartram occurs by simply erasing part of the 'e' and making it become an 'i'. Bartram shows just such an erasure in the Codex Sinaiticus.
  4. My incomplete reading of Bartram suggests that Chrest is not a person, fictional or otherwise, but descriptive, added to the nomina sacra, such as IS (Isis?) or XP- That is: IS Chrest, as in the “Isis, the Great and the Good ”, or thereabouts (something sort of like the Muslim add-on: “Blessed be His name/ Peace be upon Him”) If memory serves, Bartram, John also cited the term as having been in use at least a century or more earlier than the common era- (Bar (Aramaic)= Son of/ the middle T = a cross/ Ram= Ancestor of David/ Shofar, the ram’s horn- John= Yehohanan (יְהוֹחָנָן), "Yahweh is Gracious”….I digress…)

    He also appears to suggest that the name/title “Christ” does not appear in print in any reliable NT context until the 9th century or so- Therefore, it would appear that translation errors would not be the issue- It might also suggest, in my view, that by the time of Charlemagne, the original intent of the Flavians in using this psychological weaponry had long since been abandoned and the original armature, typology and all, was used to outfit a new, improved (and "historical") version of canonical texts in establishing and maintaining the new wholly Roman Empire (sans Romans)- …the digging continues…
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2016
  5. Jerry Russell

    Jerry Russell Administrator Staff Member

    According to that Heinsohn paper that Giles found, the 9th century followed immediately on the heels of the 3rd century, and Guyla Toth says Charlemagne and Constantine were one and the same...
  6. Richard Stanley

    Richard Stanley Administrator

    Hi Tyrone,

    Yes, that is my understanding as well. As such, I need to check those statements regarding the Nero incident as to what exactly was said, e.g. "followers of Chrest". As I just wrote it, it would be ambiguous as to whether Chrest was referring to an individual or a disembodied sacred name.
  7. Hello, Jerry Russell- Is that Gunnar Heinsohn you are referring to? And is the paper Giles found posted on the forum? I've read Heinsohn before, what there is in english. He has a theory that a population of males under thirty that comprised more than 30% of said population meant that population was inevitably going to war, if memory serves- I wonder if that has any validity- There's a birth rate component tied to that as well- Below replacement birthrates meant a peaceful population- Given that (yes, this is quite a digression) German birth rates are low, the infusion of able bodied young male Syrian "refugees" might be tied to that idea- Heinsohn might have an interesting take on that-
    Richard- My favorite Nero:
  8. Jerry Russell

    Jerry Russell Administrator Staff Member

  9. lorenhough

    lorenhough Well-Known Member

    How are you Tyrone
    So what cool stuff have you been learning etc.
    I love your stuff
    Have learned a lot From you !
    Would love to read more of your stuff please

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