Are secret society members also religious extremists?

Erc

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Jerry states: “The Angelfire links have absolutely nothing to do with a Visigothic perspective.“ ah, yes the author is of Visigothic descent ... https://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/32991

Secondly, it is not a rant of an orthodox, nor catholic, nor protestant christian but of an Egyptian (Arianism is a nontrinitarian Christological doctrine) Christian.

I posted it because of the “secret societies“ involvement in America’s so called “Civil War” and behavior of a very revered Virginia general (ps, this general did not receive his star until after 4/9/1865). under the section having to do with a War of Government Bonds during the reign of NAPOLEON III 1857 to 1898.
 
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Jerry Russell

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Hello ERC,

Thanks for the intriguing hints. Who is the author and how has their descent from the Visigoths been traced? At least according to the Official Story, The Visigoths were a Germanic tribe that settled in Hispania in the 5th century AD, converted from Arianism to Nicene Christianity in the 6th century, and were conquered by an invading army of Arabs and Berbers in the 8th century. Those who weren't killed were assimilated at that time, notwithstanding holdouts such as Pelagius, discussed in your enacademic link.

And how does a Visigoth become an Egyptian Christian? Do you mean he or she is an adherent of the Coptic Orthodox Church, which is far and away the largest Christian sect in Egypt? Again, consulting the Oracle of the Official Story, I find that the Coptic Church is not Arian but "Miaphysite", a trinitarian Christology. The text still strikes me as expressing a Fundamentalist Christian perspective, albeit unorthodox from a Roman Catholic or Western Protestant point of view.

Here are the paragraphs about the American Civil War at the 2nd Angelfire link:

Americans could have avoided the uncivil war of 1861 and could have accomplished the emancipation of black conscripts by other peaceful means. The unexpected braking of the Democrat Party Convention in Charleston in 1860 prevented them to avoid this duel. Charleston was the world’s center of tobacco trade. Ft Sumter was there and was the place where the Civil War began. The presumptuous August Belmont, supposedly son of Rothschild out of wedlock, marry the elegant Christian Caroline Slidell. In his short stay in America, he became the president of the Democrat Party. He and his relative-in-law Slidell of Louisiana sabotaged the convention so the theater of war could follow its course. Slidell also sponsored the theater of war of President Polk and Mexico in 1847. The Democrat Party in America has always identified with the Royalists of Britain and the Jew bankers of London. The Republicans are nationalist interests, which also include Jew capitals that do not side with London.
The Confederates blindly followed their president Jefferson Davis who married the daughter of Zachary Taylor and served under Davies’ orders. Taylor was a master of treason deceit and theaters of war, as he showed in the theater of war against Santana in Mexico. General Robert E Lee was the commander of the confederate troops and a traitor, he guided his own troops to situations where the Union soldiers could cut them into pieces and massacre them. Lee sided with the British troops in the war of 1812 between America and Britain. Lee was the son of Henry Lee a business associate of Robert Morris. Henry Lee known as “Harry Light Horse” used to brag about being a descendant of the kings of England and King Peter the Cruel of Spain. Lee was a good friend of President Lincoln and at first presented himself to join the Union Army. Lincoln told him he was needed leading the Confederates to gladiator battles well pre planned. It was not an accident when his orders fell in the hands of Union soldiers wrapped around cigars right before the Battle of Antietam. The first large battle with railroads was Gettysburg, in 1863, in the atrocious American Civil War of 1861. American troops in the trenches of that war were the first to use the repetition rifles made with Pratt and Whitney machine tools.
Nathan Rothschild had substituted Baring as the banker of America in 1834. The boastful Lionel Rothschild in the American Civil War financed with practically unlimited resources the Union side with his agents Belmont and JP Morgan and he financed the Confederate side with his agent Erlanger.
Less than ten people were millionaires in America before the American Civil War in 1861. Seligman was one of these. More than 300 people were millionaires after this theater of war; most of them were associates of Seligman.

How does the author know that Robert E Lee was a traitor?
 

Erc

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Jerry ask's: And how does a Visigoth become an Egyptian Christian? : ...

" The Egyptian King Tutankhamen had the R haplogroup marker. The Egyptians invented monotheism and thought God was the second soul in their king or first-born of all humankind...

They believed there were two souls to each person the Ka and the Ba, which do not communicate verbally with each other. One material soul was in test the other soul in “Heaven”. Heavens reincarnates a soul in another person when it deserves glory. That is the soul’s heaven. The Ka of Caesarion was the soul of Christ. Christ always reincarnated in the first born of humankind who was the King of Egypt. This way Christ gave everyone the chance to know where He is and what He is doing. At least to those logical enough that knows the history and the genealogy of humankind. That is why Egyptians and French monarchists treated their monarchy with solemnity.

HRH "Jesus" lived in Egypt, until he was 12 years of age because Arquelaos who governed after Herod until 6 AD was no different from the first. Remember in Egypt he was not with his father Caesarion. After Mary’s delivery in the birth room of the Temple of Luxor, they returned to the Oasis and months later, they stole the baby from Caesarion and took him to Alexandria." ~http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/cubaqui/ParagonB.html
https://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/10489718
important hint: #Louis, Dauphin of France
 
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Erc

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Jerry ask's "How does the author know that Robert E Lee was a traitor?" ... come on now, you know the answer... member of a "secret society"
 

Jerry Russell

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Hello ERC,

More breadcrumbs, eh?

The Ka of Caesarion was the soul of Christ.
Not Coptic Orthodox! What obscure branch of the Egyptian church believes this? Or did our author make it up?

We have recently discussed the possibility that Louis Dauphin went to America and led a 2nd life as George Washington. Although I wasn't buying it.

"How does the author know that Robert E Lee was a traitor?" ... come on now, you know the answer... member of a "secret society"
Not so fast... From Windhorse's link, https://www.transnotitia.com/freemasonry-and-the-confederacy/

Freemasons were well-represented both in pro-abolitionist Union forces and anti-abolitionist Confederate forces. In other words, American Freemasonry had already adopted the main form of the pliers. Yet, it remains to be seen whether one of the two jaws bit harder than the other.
Which of the two jaws represented Robert E Lee's inwardly true loyalties? We need to look at other evidence, since his Freemason ties don't conclusively demonstrate whose side he was on.
 

Erc

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Jerry says: "We have recently discussed the possibility that Louis Dauphin went to America and led a 2nd life as George Washington. Although I wasn't buying it."

Agree! ...does not jive with what we believed in our ancient science nor with what we know from modern study as Quantum Epiontic Consciousness and Vertical Causation (Wolfgang Smith) ...

.... think Lex Salica (property) and on how Egyptian sovereignty passes onto the monarch (think the Vulgate Cycle also), ... who is making claim to both French and Visigothic Spanish crown's ...

yes... bread crumb's like and contra the "Quelle" psyop ...
 

Erc

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Hello ERC,

Not so fast... From Windhorse's link, https://www.transnotitia.com/freemasonry-and-the-confederacy/

Freemasons were well-represented both in pro-abolitionist Union forces and anti-abolitionist Confederate forces. In other words, American Freemasonry had already adopted the main form of the pliers. Yet, it remains to be seen whether one of the two jaws bit harder than the other.
Which of the two jaws represented Robert E Lee's inwardly true loyalties? We need to look at other evidence, since his Freemason ties don't conclusively demonstrate whose side he was on.
answer: the faction's who have the seal of Solomon, for their "Lawd of Doubles" ... https://psalmistice.com/2017/03/13/the-lawd-of-doubles/ https://sacred-texts.com/mas/sof/sof26.htm

Global Usury leads directly to global communism, ie. privatize the benefits, property and profits and socialize the risks and losses to the proles, globally .... only the oligarchy will have absolute right of ownership of ALL property (neo-feudalism) via contractually bankrupting the "females" https://psalmistice.com/2017/07/07/cheating-females-the-production-of-inequality-by-illusions-of-equality/, as exponentially increasing debt cannot be payed down (compounding interests) and transfer of allodium patents of said properties on bankruptcy into the oligarchy's hands .... fraudulently however !! ::https://psalmistice.com/2018/07/04/italian-professors-confirm-outright-false-accounting-and-double-nature-of-bank-money/

"1756
Notable Freemasons:
General Henry (Light Horse Harry) Lee born.
Served in the Revolutionary War as one of Washington's generals. He was the father of Robert E. Lee" http://www.themasonictrowel.com/new_files_to_file/chronology_of_freemasonry_1390_1989.htm
 
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Erc

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Erc

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... the rabbithole run's very deep indeed within the dialectic to global communistic monarchism, ... err duality, ... Akhenaten, Essenes, Mason's, "sheepdog's" and Flavio Barbiero's thesis ... the order of Melchizedek as the priest line of Moses as opposed to the Aaronic ?

Origin of Masonic symbols in Essenism and the Damascus Document: https://www.peshertechnique.infinitesoulutions.com/QandA/Questions3.html#Masonic

regarding Essenes and Akhenaten see Feather, Robert (2003) The Mystery of the Copper Scroll of Qumran: The Essene Record of the Treasure of Akhenaten. Simon and Schuster. ISBN 9781591438571

as Thomas Jefferson pointed out: "The story of the American [global] political order, at least to this point, is the collapse of the influence and autonomy of the local into a consolidated [global] political and financial order, what Jefferson’s people called monarchy. This order is not merely political, it includes cultural, social, religious, and political mores and habits [global] in their scope and often emanating from institutions closely aligned with the centers of [extra-national global] political and economic power." ~ https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/blog/poison-under-the-wings/
 

Seeker

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the Y chromosome is secondary and is in fact a rapidly disintegrating genetic parasite with now only 2-3% of its genetic material left.
Does that mean that any male who gets a Y-DNA test to determine his Haplogroup is wasting his money then?
 

Jerry Russell

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A Google search on Windhorse's description of the Y-chromosome turned up this interesting article about a debate featuring one of his favorite geneticists...

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10577-011-9252-1

It is agreed that the Y was once genetically identical to its partner [X -- jr] and that the present-day human sex chromosomes retain only traces of their shared ancestry. The euchromatic portion of the male-specific region of the Y is ~1/6 of the size of the X and has only ~1/12 the number of genes. The big question however is whether this degradation will continue or whether it has reached a point of equilibrium. [...]
On May 24, 2008 Manchester played host to the largest post war crowd for a boxing match in the UK (55,000). Local boy Ricky “the Hitman” Hatton defeated Mexico’s Juan Lazcano by a unanimous decision in a hard fought contest that went the distance. On August 31, 2011 Manchester again was the venue of a monumental battle that also went the distance. The gloves were off but the sparring more genteel as Jenny Graves took on Jenn Hughes in front of 300 delegates at the 18th International Chromosome Conference. Up for debate was the issue of whether the mammalian Y chromosome a symbol of masculinity in both the scientific and popular press, is doomed in evolutionary terms.
So it's agreed that the Y chromosome is a pale shadow of its former self, evolutionarily speaking. Its fate is not so certain. But in the meanwhile, the Y chromosome retains its unique value as a trace of male (patriarchal) ancestry. So, no, it's not a waste of money to look to the Y chromosome for whatever genetic information we can get. According to the article, it still contains 78 genes and approximately 23 Mb of information.
 
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