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Erc

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Thanx for the copy of Buddhist to Xianity ... now about the coming "Abrahamic" despotic global "henotheistic" man-god monolatry/monarchy that Akhenaten previewed...
 

Erc

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John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Truth is, Jesus is a High Priest (Hebrews 6:20) pointing the way to the Father who is SPIRIT and not a MAN,

and Jesus as a son of God (John Chapter 10) the Spirit (John 4:24), and Jesus as a son of man (Matthew 16:13), Jesus clearly is NOT GOD the Most High, (John 20:17) who is your God and my God:: “Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father (who was the ONE who “resurrected” Jesus from death). Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY God (the Spirit, John 4:24) and YOUR God.’ John 20:17

And Jesus nor any other “messiah” is not King or Lord, see Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 8:7 and 2 Cor 3:17 with John 4:24 and John 20:17. For Spirit is Lord and King and Father.

With regard to Jerusalem and the Jerusalem Temple Cult of “political-religion” see Acts 7:48 and 1 Cor 3:16!
 

Claude Badley

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Greetings, Erc.

Your reference is very good, as the author highlights that Yeshu ha-Notsri could be John Baptist, Dositheus and Simon Magus or at least lead to them.

Only his last diagram is misleading, as the Sethians shown at the bottom of the diagram include the Mandaeans (Mandeans there) since this sole remaining Gnostic sect also honors Seth as a god, under the name Shitil.

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

Erc

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Yes his scholarly work is impeccable...

My comment on "messianic" globalism:

Our High Priest is not God

Whither, as forerunner, Jesus entered for us, having become High Priest after the order of Melchizedek for ever. The high priest entered the Holiest Place by himself—a representative but not a leader. Jesus has entered the true sanctuary (Hebrews 9:24) that He may give His people entrance there (John 14:2-3). With this renewed mention of the great high-priestly act (Hebrews 4:14), the writer returns to the words of Scripture on which he was about to dwell (Hebrews 5:10).
 

Erc

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“Jesus” is high priest forever (Hebrews 6:20) of God the Spirit (John 4:24, John 20:17) is not a man, nor a "jew"(a "cultural construct"), nor any other man (Numbers 23:19), and Spirit the God is certainly NOT A GLOBAL DESPOTIC COMMUNISTIC "man-god" MONARCH! (https://theethicalskeptic.com/2015/09/30/the-definition-of-god/)

For the Lord is Spirit The God (John 4:24), and wherever the Spirit the Lord is, there is freedom! 2 Cor 3:17 ;-)

"Ethics V Omnipotence.

The omnipotent deity of the old order translated as power absolute, nothing that happened in the nation was outside the will of the all powerful God. The priesthood would select from among their class an almighty leader, a leader upon whom the priesthood would ordain the same attributes as the deity.

To question the leader or the bureaucracy that would surround him was tantamount to questioning God. A leader in this system is the Man-God.

This is a system of absolute dictatorship..." https://thebridgelifeinthemix.info/history/thirteenth-tribe/
 

Erc

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“Jesus” is high priest forever (Hebrews 6:20) of God the Spirit (John 4:24, John 20:17) is not a man, nor a "jew"(a "cultural construct"), nor any other man (Numbers 23:19), and Spirit the God is certainly NOT A GLOBAL DESPOTIC COMMUNISTIC "man-god" MONARCH! (https://theethicalskeptic.com/2015/09/30/the-definition-of-god/)

For the Lord is Spirit The God (John 4:24), and wherever the Spirit the Lord is, there is freedom! 2 Cor 3:17 ;-)

"Ethics V Omnipotence.

The omnipotent deity of the old order translated as power absolute, nothing that happened in the nation was outside the will of the all powerful God. The priesthood would select from among their class an almighty leader, a leader upon whom the priesthood would ordain the same attributes as the deity.

To question the leader or the bureaucracy that would surround him was tantamount to questioning God. A leader in this system is the Man-God.

This is a system of absolute dictatorship..." https://thebridgelifeinthemix.info/history/thirteenth-tribe/
Second witnesses from the "inerrant" "Wyrd" ;-)
1 Samuel 15:29
And also the Strength of "Israel" will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.
Hebrews 7:21
but "Jesus" became a priest with an oath by the One who said to Him: "The Lord (2 Cor 3:17) has sworn and will not change His mind: 'You are a priest forever.'" Clearly "Jesus" nor any other "anointed" is not a global King clearly as stated in 1 Samuel 8:7!
 

Seeker

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The de Vaux family of Norfolk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Vaux_family has now been given a genealogy back to the Merovingians and "Jesus", by a member of an elder line of French Barons, whose many times removed first cousin is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Foullon_de_Doué. I found the genealogy by accident, this is a part of his family pedigree site, and he is making no profit from it. Aren't aristocrats supposed to keep good records? So far he does not appear to be a charlatan like Pierre Plantard, of "Holy Blood, Holy Grail", as the de Vaux family are not his male line ancestors, while Plantard claimed he had a male line back to the Merovingians, and milked it for whatever it was worth.
 

Jerry Russell

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As explained here, it's a pretty safe bet that everyone of European descent is related to the Carolingians and the even older Merovingians. And furthermore, I agree that aristocrats have the best of intentions, and do their best to keep accurate genealogical records deep into the past. So I don't claim that the elder French baron is intentionally a charlatan. For that matter, Pierre Plantard may also have a perfectly reasonable, legitimate basis for claiming that he is a direct descendant of the Merovingians. Stretching that far back, even a purely male line of descent is perfectly plausible, statistically speaking.

Having said that: even with the best of intentions, and all the wealth of the nobility, there's plenty of room for errors to creep in. Sometimes even a baby's mother is unsure who the father is. And it only takes one less than perfectly honest duke or baron, to introduce a fabricated history that could ruin everything that came before him.

Whether we regard these claims of ancient pedigrees as entirely factual or not, what's possibly most important is that the modern Dukes and Barons believe that they're factual. And they stake their claims to nobility on that basis.
 

Seeker

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As explained here, it's a pretty safe bet that everyone of European descent is related to the Carolingians and the even older Merovingians.
I agree, no problem with that, "perfectly plausible". But exclusivity creeps in after that, as only a small percentage of that European population can PROVE that descent, generation by generation, back to aristocracy or royalty. After that comes the most premier exclusivity, the male line descent back to aristocracy or royalty. That is important to a certain elite segment of that population, for, as you said, "Whether we regard these claims of ancient pedigrees as entirely factual or not, what's possibly most important is that the modern Dukes and Barons believe that they're factual. And they stake their claims to nobility on that basis." Also, and especially, to royalty. To put it rather bluntly, with no offense intended, if it doesn't matter to you, it wasn't meant to.;)
 

Jerry Russell

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According to the principle of primogeniture, the most exclusive status would be the line of descent of firstborn males. At each generation, any father can only have (at most) one eldest son. Unlike all other forms of royal descent, there is no exponential increase in the number of eldest sons over aeons of time. Thus, primogeniture tends to keep a kingdom or dukedom whole. There is (at most) one legitimate claimant to the throne. Of course if there is no eldest son, the rule of primogeniture leads to the foundation of a new dynasty, with possibilities for attendant chaos.

In cases where rule over a major chunk of real estate has been at stake, the determination of inheritance would seem to be a matter of considerable social and historical importance. In traditional kingdoms, the divine right of the royal family was mostly unquestioned, with the possible exception of a small riff-raff of ne'er-do-wells. And there wasn't much alternative to taking the elder King and Queen's word for it, when it came to the legitimacy of a Prince's claim to the family inheritance. So the question "mattered" to just about everyone in the kingdom, as well as all the historians and court reporters. And we see a broad historical consensus about questions of royal descent, at least in many cases. It wasn't just a matter of the royal family's private record-keeping.

There are, of course, many situations where the nature of royal descent is more ambiguous, and the consequences are less obviously important. Who cares about even the first-line male descendant of a King whose Kingdom has become a Democratic Republic, or conquered by a neighboring Kingdom? What is the importance of being a descendent of Charlemagne's seventh daughter, or one of Attilla the Hun's concubines? Hmm... if you're inclined to believe that royal persons have favorable genetics (greater strength, intelligence or beauty) or for that matter, unfavorable genetics (psychopathic tendencies), then any royal descendant might have those genetically inherited properties, to some greater or lesser extent. Growing up in any royal family is likely to provide certain "perks" such as education and access to resources, which could make the beneficiary more likely to become a high achiever and thus a contributor to the family fortune. And the personal attributes of royalty could "matter" on a social basis, again boosting the fortunes of anyone fortunate enough to be affiliated with the royal family. These benefits could persist for many generations, or indefinitely, even after the loss of the actual earthly Kingdom.

As a matter of fact, it seems that royal families kept control of the Church by sending their second sons into the priesthood, to become the Popes and Bishops.

By all appearances, now that we are into the third century since the French and American revolutions, the power of the ancient royal families is severely in decline. Upstart businessmen and politicians and media personalities appear to be very powerful, while the antics of Prince such as Charles, Andrew, William and Harry seem to be nothing more than a circus side-show.

Richard always argued that appearances were deceptive, and that the European royals are in fact far more important than they appear to be, even into the present day.

Seeker, are you inclined to agree with Richard about this? I never felt that he presented a convincing case.
 

Seeker

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Richard always argued that appearances were deceptive, and that the European royals are in fact far more important than they appear to be, even into the present day.
I believe that Queen Elizabeth has exalted status, at least as an icon, to her subjects, if nothing else. They could have gotten rid of her and her family long ago, if they had really wanted to, but the tradition and her royal aura is just too ingrained in the British people. Did you notice that even Prince Harry referred to her as his "Commander-in-Chief" to Oprah (I personally didn't think he was entirely facetious), and also that he was very careful to talk about his good relationship with her, and apparently told Oprah afterwards that the Queen and Prince Philip did not make racial remarks about his son. Besides her prestige, the Queen is also quite wealthy, though of course it is vulgar to talk about money when one is that exalted, and Prince Philip is actually worshipped as a god by some people, with their son Prince Charles next in line for that honor https://nypost.com/2021/02/27/islanders-who-call-prince-philip-a-god-plan-to-worship-charles/. Yes, her future successor Prince Charles had a "loser" image for awhile, but he just may surprise everybody when he finally succeeds to the throne (this article is obviously dated, though). https://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1678.cfm
 

Jerry Russell

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Seeker, I think we can agree that even if their power is severely in decline, the royals and nobility still have an important role to play. Your image of Charles as the Antichrist is certainly very interesting in this regard...



... as is the fact that Charles was trotted out as one of the principle creators and authorities behind the technocratic "Great Restart" agenda. And, circus side show or not, the Oprah interview showed that the masses are still fascinated with royalty. Everyone wants to know: if the Queen and Prince Philip did not make the racist remarks, then who did? Was it Charles or Camilla? The already disgraced Prince Andrew? There is simply no good answer!

But still, doesn't your link about the islanders who worship Prince Philip sort of make my point? That is, on the remote South Pacific island of Tanna, "an estimated 700 of its 29,000 inhabitants worship the royal as a god" -- in contrast to the times not so long ago when virtually everyone on the British Isles similarly believed that the King ruled by divine right? Now, in modern times, such a belief is relegated to a small tribe of illiterate indigenous peoples, confused by a cargo cult.



Oh, and let's not forget the Trumpists who refer to Orange Man as the "God Emperor". Such confusions can also exist in modern America! But thankfully, it's still a minority position even among Republicans.

So my point is not that the Royals aren't important... but how to evaluate their power in perspective, considering everything else that's going on. Is Prince Charles really setting the agenda for Davos and the Great Reset? Or are Bill Gates and other tech monopolists more in control?

Are the Euro-royals driving events that seem to recapitulate the prophecies of the Book of Revelation, the Koran and/or the Talmud? Or is it the cultural power of the memes themselves, as literally billions of believers have learned about them in church schools?
 
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