Alternative Genealogy

Seeker

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I saw a couple of genealogy stories that I'm going to post here, although (seemingly) not directly related to the genealogies that have been discussed so far in this thread.
Thank You So Much for your contributions, Jerry, you and anyone else whom is interested is more that welcome to post your own "genealogies" here. As you may have noticed, I love trying to figure "that stuff" out.
 
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#1. Donald Trump, who frequently praises his own great genes and fantastic bloodlines, also told Bill Ford that he and his great-grandfather had "good bloodlines, good bloodlines -- if you believe in that stuff, you got good blood." Is it true? Where do the Ford bloodlines lead?
Henry Ford's father William and grandfather John, with their family, emigrated first to Canada, and then to the US, at the height of the Great Famine of Ireland in 1847. However, they were not originally Irish, their Ford ancestors were from Somerset, England, but left there when Queen Elizabeth I granted some 600,000 acres of confiscated Irish land to English gentlemen: https://web.archive.org/web/20171119153940/http://www.ford.ie/AboutFord/CompanyInformation/HistoryOfFord/

Henry Ford also built the first mosque established in the United States:
https://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2016/08/10/henry-ford-the-model-t-and-the-birth-of-the-middle-class/

Another great-grandfather of Bill Ford was Harvey S. Firestone, founder of the Firestone Tire and Rubber Company. He was a member of "the Four Vagabonds", along with Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, and naturalist John Burroughs. These first three men were generally considered to be the three leaders in American industry at the time. "Firestone" was the English translation of the family's German name "Feuerstein".
https://www.thehenryford.org/collections-and-research/digital-resources/popular-topics/the-vagabonds/
 
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From his "Alexander the Great: Beyond the Divide", Charles N. Pope provides an explanation which may help one to figure out why it it so hard to keep track of, and correlate, the genealogies and identities of the Elite family: "In the Gospels, Jesus is furnished with two blatantly contradictory genealogies (Matt 1:1-16; Luke 3:23-38) that claim descent from David, Abraham and ultimately from “Adam son of God.” This content parodied the claim by Alexander that he had descended from “Heracles son of Zeus” and that his mother Olympias had descended from Achilles. Ironically, Jesus was in fact a direct descendant of Alexander, Alexander a direct descendant of David (Thutmose III), and David a descendant of even more ancient “god-kings,” however not in accordance with any of the published genealogies. Nevertheless, a royal person could claim any former king or queen as their distant ancestor, and any arbitrary line of descent from that ancestor. The ruling house represented a continuous (“scarlet thread”) of natural descent from time immemorial. The actual lineage of Alexander came through the Persian royal house, and from there back to the Egyptian pharaohs. He could of course not have literally been a descendant of Heracles, as Heracles had no surviving sons to succeed him. But, that was beside the point. Heracles had been part of the royal family. In fact, Egyptologists refer to Horus the Younger, the Egyptian Heracles, as the first royal person in recorded history."
 

Seeker

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To establish some synchronicity here, one way or another, Pope, Ellis, and Piso have "Jesus" connected to Julius Caesar, and perhaps it does not matter exactly how, as Pope states that "a royal person could claim any former king or queen as their distant ancestor, and any arbitrary line of descent from that ancestor. The ruling house represented a continuous (“scarlet thread”) of natural descent from time immemorial". Pope also claims that Julius Caesar was a male line descendant of Alexander the Great, who had the Elite family lineage mentioned in the previous Posts #105 and #106.
 

Jerry Russell

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The ruling house represented a continuous (“scarlet thread”) of natural descent from time immemorial.
What about the possibility that an ambitious interloper could somehow achieve great power, and then falsely claim royal ancestry? Or, better still, divine sanction, such as Sargon or Moses?
 

Richard Stanley

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You think Sargon, 'Moses', or 'Jesus' had humble origins per the public narratives? Or is that what we're supposed to believe?

Now you have the burden, Jerry, of explaining how the transmission of extensive, precision technical data regarding the pyramids, even with mainstream dating, was given to such as 'Shake-speare', a humble man who could barely sign his name, if that. Or, that the secret coven of 'Jews' would pass it to 'him' via 'their' Freemasonry.

Maybe the more parsimonious answer is that such knowledge was passed down through the generations via uber-elite (royal and noble) families via such as their successive inner church structures (e.g. Mithraism, Templars, Freemasons).
 

Seeker

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I had sent that first Eyre article to Charles N. Pope, and he had not heard of them at all. His reply may have some relevance to the ongoing discussion here:

"I've heard of the novel Jane Eyre, but didn't know anything about the Eyre Dynasty. I did buy a book recently that might be related, but haven't gotten around to reading it yet:

https://www.amazon.com/Husband-Hunters-American-Heiresses-Aristocracy/dp/1250164591

It does seem fairly obvious that European capital was being leveraged to create the great "robber barons" of America. It would have been possible to adopt American names during the 19th Century and hide connections to the Old World royal network. For example, I am very suspicious of the humble Scottish roots of Carnegie."
 

Jerry Russell

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You think Sargon, 'Moses', or 'Jesus' had humble origins per the public narratives? Or is that what we're supposed to believe?
My point is that it's impossible to be certain at this great distance in time. We can't even answer these questions definitively for our modern day elite, except if they choose to give DNA samples.
 

Seeker

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It would have been possible to adopt American names during the 19th Century and hide connections to the Old World royal network
Actually, the Eyres were adopting aliases by the 18th century, while they were still in England, and check out how much the daughter of this Eyre become "Archer" in order to inherit (his brother did the same trick, becoming a "Gell" in order to inherit their uncle's lead mining fortune and estate) was worth in 2019 currency, and this is only one member of that family! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Archer_(British_politician)
I had thought that the first article I found about this Eyre family a few days ago was "overblown", but perhaps the author of it was understating the case for this family. The particular branch of the American Eyre family named in that same article was supposed to have lost their fortune during the 1929 stock market crash, and subsequent Great Depression, but other branches under different names continued to thrive, here is another family descended from immigrant George Eyre: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanton_Griffis
 
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Seeker

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The particular branch of the American Eyre family named in that same article was supposed to have lost their fortune during the 1929 stock market crash, and subsequent Great Depression, but other branches under different names continued to thrive, here is another family descended from immigrant George Eyre: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanton_Griffis
Here is whom the granddaughter of Stanton Griffis, referred to above, married in 1971, doesn't look like all of the descendants of the immigrant George Eyre were going broke to me! https://www.nytimes.com/1971/05/23/archives/miss-elizabeth-hethea-griffis-bride.html
 

Richard Stanley

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From your link:

Any notions of party unity were, alas, dampened in part by the presence of the bride's family. Her grandfather, Stanton Griffis, who was host of the bridal luncheon at the River Club, held appointive positions under President Franklin D. Roosevelt and served as Ambassador to Spain, Argentina, Egypt and Poland under President Truman; and is, according to the bride's father, “the only Democrat” in the firm of Hornblower & Weeks ‐ Hemphill, Noyes, where he is now a limited partner.
 

Seeker

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Her grandfather, Stanton Griffis
Yes, here is his direct descent from immigrant George Eyre: George Eyre - Samuel Eyre - Hannah Eyre (m. Captain John Griffis) - Captain John Limeburner Griffis - William Elliot Griffis - Stanton Griffis.

"Stanton Griffis was ambassador to Argentina while Juan and Eva Peron were in power and wrote of his experiences in a book titled Lying In State." : From the Wikipedia biography of his father, orientalist William Elliot Griffis, who was presented with the Order of the Rising Sun.
 
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Seeker

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Actually, the Eyres were adopting aliases by the 18th century
They were doing this quite openly, was it their "role" to show "truth in plain sight", as to what the other elite families were doing covertly? What about the "legend" that they were the true heirs to the Wessex dynasty of Alfred the Great, this would put them ahead in seniority and time of even the de Vere family claim to be the true Kings of England. Then we have George Eyre "taking a tour" of America in 1727, and deciding to settle down in a New Jersey town near Philadelphia, to marry a claimant to the "mythical" Jennens estate, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Jennens, and becoming the founder of an American business and political dynasty, that is supposed to have "submerged" after the 1929 Stock Market Crash. However, a George Eyre descendant from another branch winds up holding governmental and diplomatic posts under FDR and Truman, and his granddaughter marries into a top business and opposite political party power family and connections in New York City. I must say this about them, for centuries, in England and the US, they certainly knew how to marry "up", all the while keeping a very low profile. I personally had never heard of this "American Eyre Dynasty" before last week, so they certainly know how to keep a secret and stay out of the spotlight, but once again, was that their "role", or is this all a lot of hot "Eyre"?
 

Seeker

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To bring the Eyre name up to the present, we had Sir Reginald Eyre (1924-2019), MP for Birmingham Hall Green, who served in the Heath and Thatcher governments, and was a vice-chairman of the Conservative Party. His ancestry is not mentioned in any of the biographies that I have read about him, except that his father was a transport worker and local government officer, his mother a shopkeeper, and he stated that he was the first member of his family to go to college, so I guess he is a "Horatio Alger" sort of role model. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Eyre
His daughter by his much younger second wife, actress Anne Clements, is Hermione Eyre (1980-), former child actress, journalist, and novelist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermione_Eyre, who has her own website https://www.hermioneeyre.com/, and wrote a novel about Venetia Stanley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetia_Stanley, "Viper Wine", which in the novel Venetia drinks as an elixir of youth. Hermione Eyre is married to Alex Burghart (1977-), Parliamentary Private Secretary to Prime Minister Boris Johnson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Burghart, and their daughter Sybilla (2013-) has been proposed as a future bride for Prince George!!! https://web.archive.org/web/20140330044209/http://www.tatler.com/news/articles/october-2013/who-will-marry-prince-george. Sybilla's parents are friends with Lord and Lady Frederick Windsor, and Lord Frederick is the son of Prince Michael of Kent, the first cousin of Queen Elizabeth.
Stay tuned on that one, we shall have to wait and see if the Eyres regain their English throne, after a millennium of waiting in the shadows. This could very well happen during Richard's forecasted 2066-2070 3rd Millennium!
 
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