Alternative Genealogy

Seeker

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Yes, Joseph(us?) has his Abbey at Glastonbury and Jesus is at the Fortress of Deva Victrix, and I have read of them being related in so many different ways, as uncle-nephew (or grandnephew), siblings (which could explain Barabbas as the nephew of Josephus), Joseph and Jesus as the same person, Jesus as the father of Joseph, with Joseph and Jesus as the ancestor of Arthur, Joseph also the ancestor of Lancelot and Galahad, and Jesus or Joseph the ancestor of the Swan Knights and Percival, culminating with Godfrey of Bouillon. Another source of the confusion in these relationships and lineages is that Jesus and Joseph are both supposed to have had sons named Josephes, or variants of this name. Since a main point for the hypothesis of Ralph Ellis is that Josephus was on the side of Rome and no lover of Jesus, using his propagandizing skills against him, could these confusing pedigrees be the result of Joseph and his descendants deliberately trying to obliterate any biological legacy of Jesus in Britain?
 

Richard Stanley

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I tend to doubt that, but I could be wrong (hard as that is to believe o_O).

As I mentioned before, I think we're looking at a version of controlled opposition. ... And some elite family competition(s), in the establishment of evolving (mergers and acquisitions) religious enterprise that always sees the need to maintain power through the hoarding of esoteric knowledge inside of an 'inner church' that is separate from the exoteric outer church for the masses. Thus there all manner of real and contrived drama that has to get sorted out both in and out of public view.
 

Seeker

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Thanks for reminding me of that, too much exoteric Christmas celebrating may have gone to my head! Yes, I think that you are right and I was taking Ellis too literally. You may have gone beyond his conclusions with the "real and contrived drama" between Josephus/Flavians and Jesus, who was perhaps the "controlled opposition" in this play upon the world stage. His eventual "reward" may have been to be the figurehead of the Roman Universal Church, worshiped as God just as his literal predecessor Julius Caesar was, with a secret "Holy Grail" stone of knowledge at Deva Victrix with the names of the Elite families "inscribed" upon it, such as the Severans.
 

Seeker

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Both Jesus and Josephus may have had bloodlines that intertwined with Constantius Chlorus and Helena, parents of Roman Emperor Constantine the Great, who of course made "Christianity" legal in the Roman world forevermore.
 

Seeker

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I see in the excerpts I have read online from "Mary Magdalene, Princess of Orange" (which is advertised as "Volume 5" (?) of the King Jesus Trilogy" (very bad arithmetic) that Ralph Ellis, in his version of "Holy Blood, Holy Grail", and "The Da Vinci Code", has Mary Magdalene and Jesus linked to the Merovingians, which could conceivably (again) make everyone with a descent from Charlemagne have Jesus as the ultimate Numero Uno ancestor.
 
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Seeker

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His father Pepin the Short was, that is a fact, but Pepin was supposed to have married the descendant of a Merovingian King prior to his takeover from that dynasty, and so everyone descending from Charlemagne would have this maternal Merovingian descent of his, if it is true.
 
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Seeker

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I thought Charlemagne was the anti-Merovingian?
Perhaps this was more controlled opposition and role playing, with the last Merovingian King, Childeric III, playing the role of "Jesus", and Pepin the Short as "Vespasian", plus son Charlemagne as "Titus". Several centuries after Clovis, persuaded by his unusually (at that time and place) Christian wife Clotilde, was baptized by Rome (was she his "handler"?), Pepin gets a supposedly Merovingian descended bride (another female "intervention"?) to eventually help legitimize his rule, and later has the support of Rome to usurp Childeric and become King, with Rome crowning his son Charlemagne Emperor on Christmas Day in 800. Was it time for Rome to create a new bloodline and a new dynasty because the old one (the Merovingian "do-nothing kings") had weakened? The Carolingians, in turn, married into the succeeding Capetian dynasty, and the granddaughter and niece of Capetian Kings in turn married William the Norman Bastard, who became the apocalyptic 1066 William the Conqueror, King of England.
 
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