Richard Stanley
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My (our) recent efforts here to harmonize the various Xian Origins theories have been fairly gratifying, to me at least. Some of the efforts ironically driven by the awareness of my now hopeful mortality, or PO (personal omega). Lately, with my various decrepitudes, I have been watching the various MythVision shows and various shows of Randall Carlson's, the latter reviving my decades prior interest in Catastrophism. And here Carlson's and others' efforts have made huge leaps forward in overcoming the ignorant and arrogant hubris of such as Uniformitarian Geological Science. Or ... is this all ignorant hubris?
The following link is perhaps the most concise presentation of Carlson's:
https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/getting-your-ice-age-on-and-off.2588/post-14697
As Carlson notes, the early geologists were all Catastrophists, with the later Uniformitarians desperate to distance themselves from associations with religious notions that reek of superstition and fundamentalist supernaturalism. Their desperation, at least, to appear 'modern' caused these scientists to turn blind eyes to all the evidence to the contrary right in front of their faces every day. But, could there be other reasons for such 'blindness'?
On MythVision Derek Lambert and Dr. Price have recently pondered upon the extent of malfeasance in assembling the canons, versus what level of good intentions may have been involved. If they are mostly or all mythic allegory and metaphor, then much of any perceived mal-intent may merely be in the eye of such as an atheist fundamentalist [sic]. That is, an atheist whose criticism of the canons are framed as if they are to be taken literally, as believing fundamentalists do. Here, the big problem for arriving at the Truth(s) being hidden, the real mystery, is discerning between real history, encrypted history, then onto pure wisdom, spiritual, or abstract myth, and finally uber myth that points to some particular reality, possibly stupendous and/or terrifying. Even existential in nature.
Along parts of my vision quest I have also wondered about the seeming paradox of whether or not there was any benevolent intention(s) in the various religions, especially the Abrahamic ones. Especially beyond any benevolence garnered for their stated Elects. After all, Jerry and I have taken a fairly hard line at Postflaviana on these 'crooked' shepherds throughout history.
So let's imagine if Randall Carlson is correct for the most part (he is). Suddenly we have a reason to allow that there was indeed something more to that once cutting edge precessional science back in the days of the Classical Greeks, and also encrypted into the Judaic canon as well. That science was couched in mythical garb with the zodiacal characters and stories of the gods and goddesses. While the common Egyptian or common Greek may have seen their gods as superstitious, Christian fundamentalists do yet today, the authors of those 'myths' appear to know what was really up. And if so, they saw such esoteric framing as a necessity. As such, were they worried they would unnecessarily stampede the 'cattle'? We have talked here about times when the 'cattle' get purposely stampeded (e.g. the Nazis), and its happening yet today.
And, now there is debate about the eschatological meaning of the Christian End Times. Did it ever happen, did it happen in 70 CE, did it happen with Constantine, will it happen today or tomorrow?
If it happened in 70 CE, then was it all a real human contrivance with the Romans grafting Vespasian and Titus onto the divine Root of Jesse? Bastard Wasps!!! And those bastard Locust dudes!!! WASPs you say?
Hmmm. But, what if there are multiple true ways of looking at this, and that the Roman (Hasmonean/Herodian/Edessan) Origin is true, and at the same time, the embedded mythos, amalgamated from both pagan and Judaic sources, actually reflected the stupendous and terrifying Natural Mystery we are really seeking?
And, what if today we are coddling an Elect who may be only hanging onto the threads of what was being referred to, and seeking to live down to their Elect status, whether they are aware or not of the danger the Earth, and life on it is really in. As the prior Omega and Alpha rung in the Augustan Age of the Romans, expansionary even today (through their American proxy spear), the coming Omega and Alpha seems to be born on a recurring motif of wild and immoral humans destroying their nest, hence they must be cleansed to achieve a new and fresh beginning.
But the Cosmos surrounding and including the Earth does not give a damn about mere humans, the variations in Cosmic energy upon the Earth dwarfing the by-products of these distracted beings, addicted to their various banalities, instead of pondering that they might indeed have the ability and temerity to save themselves ... this time around and on.
For with comets and asteroids, what goes around comes around.
What's it all about, Alfie?
Is it just for the moment we live?
What's it all about when you sort it out, Alfie?
Are we meant to take more than we give
Or are we meant to be kind?
And if only fools are kind, Alfie
Then I guess it is wise to be cruel
And if life belongs only to the strong, Alfie
What will you lend on an old golden rule?
As sure as I believe there's a heaven above, Alfie
I know there's something much more, ...
Is it just for the moment we live?
What's it all about when you sort it out, Alfie?
Are we meant to take more than we give
Or are we meant to be kind?
And if only fools are kind, Alfie
Then I guess it is wise to be cruel
And if life belongs only to the strong, Alfie
What will you lend on an old golden rule?
As sure as I believe there's a heaven above, Alfie
I know there's something much more, ...
My (our) recent efforts here to harmonize the various Xian Origins theories have been fairly gratifying, to me at least. Some of the efforts ironically driven by the awareness of my now hopeful mortality, or PO (personal omega). Lately, with my various decrepitudes, I have been watching the various MythVision shows and various shows of Randall Carlson's, the latter reviving my decades prior interest in Catastrophism. And here Carlson's and others' efforts have made huge leaps forward in overcoming the ignorant and arrogant hubris of such as Uniformitarian Geological Science. Or ... is this all ignorant hubris?
The following link is perhaps the most concise presentation of Carlson's:
https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/getting-your-ice-age-on-and-off.2588/post-14697
As Carlson notes, the early geologists were all Catastrophists, with the later Uniformitarians desperate to distance themselves from associations with religious notions that reek of superstition and fundamentalist supernaturalism. Their desperation, at least, to appear 'modern' caused these scientists to turn blind eyes to all the evidence to the contrary right in front of their faces every day. But, could there be other reasons for such 'blindness'?
On MythVision Derek Lambert and Dr. Price have recently pondered upon the extent of malfeasance in assembling the canons, versus what level of good intentions may have been involved. If they are mostly or all mythic allegory and metaphor, then much of any perceived mal-intent may merely be in the eye of such as an atheist fundamentalist [sic]. That is, an atheist whose criticism of the canons are framed as if they are to be taken literally, as believing fundamentalists do. Here, the big problem for arriving at the Truth(s) being hidden, the real mystery, is discerning between real history, encrypted history, then onto pure wisdom, spiritual, or abstract myth, and finally uber myth that points to some particular reality, possibly stupendous and/or terrifying. Even existential in nature.
Along parts of my vision quest I have also wondered about the seeming paradox of whether or not there was any benevolent intention(s) in the various religions, especially the Abrahamic ones. Especially beyond any benevolence garnered for their stated Elects. After all, Jerry and I have taken a fairly hard line at Postflaviana on these 'crooked' shepherds throughout history.
So let's imagine if Randall Carlson is correct for the most part (he is). Suddenly we have a reason to allow that there was indeed something more to that once cutting edge precessional science back in the days of the Classical Greeks, and also encrypted into the Judaic canon as well. That science was couched in mythical garb with the zodiacal characters and stories of the gods and goddesses. While the common Egyptian or common Greek may have seen their gods as superstitious, Christian fundamentalists do yet today, the authors of those 'myths' appear to know what was really up. And if so, they saw such esoteric framing as a necessity. As such, were they worried they would unnecessarily stampede the 'cattle'? We have talked here about times when the 'cattle' get purposely stampeded (e.g. the Nazis), and its happening yet today.
And, now there is debate about the eschatological meaning of the Christian End Times. Did it ever happen, did it happen in 70 CE, did it happen with Constantine, will it happen today or tomorrow?
If it happened in 70 CE, then was it all a real human contrivance with the Romans grafting Vespasian and Titus onto the divine Root of Jesse? Bastard Wasps!!! And those bastard Locust dudes!!! WASPs you say?
Hmmm. But, what if there are multiple true ways of looking at this, and that the Roman (Hasmonean/Herodian/Edessan) Origin is true, and at the same time, the embedded mythos, amalgamated from both pagan and Judaic sources, actually reflected the stupendous and terrifying Natural Mystery we are really seeking?
And, what if today we are coddling an Elect who may be only hanging onto the threads of what was being referred to, and seeking to live down to their Elect status, whether they are aware or not of the danger the Earth, and life on it is really in. As the prior Omega and Alpha rung in the Augustan Age of the Romans, expansionary even today (through their American proxy spear), the coming Omega and Alpha seems to be born on a recurring motif of wild and immoral humans destroying their nest, hence they must be cleansed to achieve a new and fresh beginning.
But the Cosmos surrounding and including the Earth does not give a damn about mere humans, the variations in Cosmic energy upon the Earth dwarfing the by-products of these distracted beings, addicted to their various banalities, instead of pondering that they might indeed have the ability and temerity to save themselves ... this time around and on.
For with comets and asteroids, what goes around comes around.
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