666, 888 and the Solar Logos

Richard Stanley

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As a prelude to my coming article on the (multiple) End Times, in progress, I'm posting here more on some common ground between Greek and Judaic esoterica, in this case having to do with such as the real meaning of the infamous number, 666, from Chapter 13 of the Book of Revelation.

Most are commonly aware that it is linked to "The Beast" and his "Mark", apparently like a tattoo that will allow any man to buy and sell in the marketplace; apparently women belonging in the kitchen and such.

The Mark of the Beast

16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. KJV​

Note the phrase that I have highlighted in red, to "count the number of the beast". This begs two questions: the first being why does one have to count the number, especially when the author immediately proceeds to inform us what that number is? Secondly, who, or what, is "the beast"? Not so incidentally, remember that one of the target occupants in the Twin Towers on 9/11 was named: The Beast, an IT company. What happened to the AntiChrist? Wait, if there is an AntiChrist, who and what really is the Christ ... some humble godman named Jesus (or Titus Flavius, ... and/or)?

Many (less than most) are aware that this 666 number is somehow a referent from a branch of the Greek esoteric mathematical system, that branch being known as Gematria. But this is about as far as most people have gone in their understanding, other than confusingly having likely seen a variety of terms and names tied to the number. After all, there indeed can be a fairly large number of words and names that can add up to any particular number. As for '666', persons such as Nero have been linked to it, and here I am not saying that is incorrect. What I am saying is that there is something much deeper -- that also has implications to our understanding of Nero (and Papa Nero as well).

In reality, the way the Greeks (and the Jews) used their gematria was that, if anything, the numbers themselves were the source of the names, and not the other way around. For instance, the authors of the NT used the name IESOUS for Jesus (or Yeshua) in the first Greek texts, because IESOUS adds up to the number 888, whereas Jesus or Yeshua are meaningless. This is so because numbers were seen as the sacred building blocks that transcendentally provided structure to the material universe as we know it.

This made them have sacred or divine powers, and even the respective names of the 'pagan' gods were ultimately derived from numbers. That is, this is what you understood if you were an intellectual initiate into the system of divine knowledge. It is at such a relatively low level as this (and usually lower), that leads the contemporary individual, especially rationalists, to summarily dismiss this system of understanding as just plain wacky and not worthy of their consideration. Even as to allowing themselves to understand, clearly, what were the important underlying conceptions that Christianity was built upon -- as opposed to the several layers of superficial obfuscation, imperial vanity included.

Understanding the deepest layer(s) will allow one more easily to judge that the transition to Christianity was not accidental and fortuitous serendipity as some are suggesting. This, in the repurposing of the Flavian's dark comedy (gospels) and (Josephan) historical account of their incomplete pacification of the Jews. If this were merely the case, there would have been no need for Philo of Alexandria's efforts (and his nephew's Jewish generalship in the Flavian cause) and the ultimate inclusion of so many Pythagorean and Platonic elements in the NT (See Fideler's Jesus Christ, Sun of God). Not only is this gematrical numerology employed (integrated inherently with sacred geometry), but as they saw it, they were dealing with the latest cutting edge science of the day as applied to all existence, including the cosmology of the Heavens. This includes knowledge of the zodiacal precession of the equinox. The symbol of the fish was much more to the intellectuals than reading their daily horoscope in the daily Tribune.

As the title of Fideler's book implies, at the end of the day, IESOUS CHRISTOS, if not really 'Jesus' or 'Yeshua' are solar terms that belie the hysterical claims of the Church apologists, then and now, that Christianity is really something uniquely different than what came before it. In reality the only substantive difference is that it is just a massive distillation of what came before it, especially in esoteric theology. All such prior religions operated with a sophisticated esoteric core that only the educated initiates understood, leaving the surface gloss of gross superstition for the common person. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." "A rose by any other name is still a Rome."

As I have discussed in another thread, Christ was seen as the latest incarnated manifestation of all his solar precedents, such as Dionysus, Apollo, Helios, Mithra, and etc.. and yes, as I see it, even the Aten, ... perhaps especially the Aten.

Here, let's see what Fideler says on page 164:

Jesus Christ: The solar Logos

"IN THE BEGINNING was the Logos" reports the Gospel of John and, in the words of the Logos itself, "I am the Light of the World." Naturally, everyone who comes into the world is outwardly illuminated by the physical sun, but only those who turn their attention back to the world of first principles are inwardly enlightened by the Spiritual Sun of the Logos.

The early Christians maintained that Iesous was "a name above all names." Origen, the early church father, even went so far as to boast about how the name of Jesus possessed more magical efficacy than those of the pagan divinities.

In the same way that the names of Apollo, Hermes, Abraxas, and Mithras were designed to represent aspects of the Universal Logos, the values of both IESOUS (888) and CHRISTOS (1480) are obtained from 74, the most characteristic number from the magic square of the Sun. It is unlikely that this is a coincidence, for, as Dr. Eisler has pointed out, the name Iesous is "an artificial and irregular Greek transliteration" of the Aramaic name Joshua [Yeshua , aka Jesus -rs], designed to bring out the number 888. One can see an unmistakable parallel between the names Iesous and Christos, and the names of the Hebrew planetary Spirits and Intelligences which were likewise derived from the magic squares of the planets.

And the Spiritual Sun of what was then a new age, Jesus represents the idea of the Solar Logos incarnate, the Logos as Illuminator, Healer, Mediator, and Gnostic Revealer. This symbolism was intentially reflected in the numerical frequency of his celestial name, which reveals the spiritual "word" of the Piscean Aeon.​

Elsewhere, Fideler discusses the Magic Square of the Sun, and this link demonstrates even more of the magic square's ability to derive more, including demonstrating the X, or 'Chi', of early Christianity, laid out across the Sun's square. Here the value of the numbers in the square equals 666. Fideler discusses that 666 represents the Physical Sun, while 888 (IESOUS) represents the Spiritual Sun or Solar Logos. In my estimation, this is just restated Atenism, with the "Sun behind the Sun".

2And [Jesus] was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. (Matthew 17 KJV)​

With the above verses, not long ago, I discussed Fabre d'Olivet's completely separate analysis (in review of the Sabbah brother's work) that Mose's burning seneh bush was an esoteric reference to the Sun, albeit that this was derived from a Judaic geometrical system tied to their lettering system.

So then, what is this business about allowing a man to buy and sell? In the supposed time of Christ Jesus, many people would carry magic amulets. In this case, a common one was that of one depicting the Magic Square of the Sun, or 666.

Hence, could the number also represent someone such as Nero, according to some beloved by all except the Roman senators, and maybe some of Bartram's 'Chrestians'? Absolutely in my view. There are some today who suspect that Nero had to have his reputation take a posthumous propaganda hit, and I suspect that this may be the case with the NT.

In any case, as with the Sun that provides both feast and famine, an emperor like Nero could play the same role on Earth. And hence the verses of Isaiah 45:6-7:

6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.​

Richard Stanley

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I forgot to add that the sacred city of Syene (today's Aswan) has a gematria number of 666.

This is a city in Egypt that sits on the Tropic of Cancer, thus on the day of the summer solstice the Sun casts no shadow in the city, except under standing and running dogs that is. Because of this fact the mathematician Eratosthenes was able to calculate the circumference of the spherical (not flat) Earth, because the distance from Syene to Alexandria was known and could be used along with the shadow angle cast in Alexandria on the summer solstice.

Fideler mentions that the hieroglyph for Syene is the 'khekh', which is a depiction of an Egyptian plumb bob hung from a tripod. This is probably because the city was viewed, long before Eratosthenes's time, as a harmonic nodal point where the laws of heaven are reflected on Earth. For those familiar with Freemasonic lore, this Egyptian device is known as a "Lewis". The plumb bob itself is drawn with the Egyptian glyph for a human heart, which if swung like a pendulum, "divides the flow of time with a constant pulse."

Thus an addition bolster that 666 refers to the Sun.

Fideler adds (from page 252):

The ninth book of Heliodorus' Ethiopian Romance is set in Syene at the time of the summer solstice, the time of the Neiloa, the festival of the Nile. After one character in the novel is shown the sundials which cast no shadow and this phenomenon is discussed, Heliodorus immediately states how the Nile "is actually the year incarnate" and points out that this is reflected in the number of Neilos, which amounts to 365. What Heliodorus fails to explicitly reveal, however, is the fact that the name Syene itself amounts to 666, the total value of all the numbers comprising the magic square of the sun.​

This last sentence is ironic, because despite Fideler's extensive references throughout his book, he does not provide a reference to the Magic Square of the Sun. Fortunately there is plenty available on the Internet. And with the mention of the Nile above, I may have gained an additional rather remarkable detail regarding 9/11/2001, but need to verify first.

Richard Stanley

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The following are Magic Square of the Sun amulet's as I described in the first post on the thread, albeit that I'm guessing they are relatively late in date, because of Arabic numerals employed. The first is one with Judaic symbology and names, with the odd addition of SOL for the sun. The second has Latin wording.

From http://thebabylonmatrix.com/index.php?title=911:Numerology

“Sigilla Solis” or “Sun Seal” This amulet has the god of the sun standing on the lion. These drawings from photographs taken in 1910, show actual amulets then in the Berlin Museum. They reveal the veneration the ancients had for the sun-god. On the front side of No.1 we see the god of the sun standing on the lion. This indicated the sun's position in the constellation of Leo during the hot days of August. The back is inscribed “Nachyel,” meaning “intelligence of the sun” and the numbers 1 to 36. These numbers are arranged in such a way that the sum of any given row, column or diagonal is 111, and therefore the sum of all six rows or all six columns is 666.

This illustration is also a solar seal, but it honors the star Basilisco, which was the diminutive form of the Greek Basileus (king), thus meaning the same as the Latin regulus. Regulus is the only first magnitude star in the constellation of Leo. The sun and the moon are again clearly seen on this amulet and on the reverse side is the same arrangement of numerals with the actual figure 666 given as the total.

Note that the word Basileus and Regulus denote rulership, as well as being tied to the Heavens, thus confirming that 666 itself can simultaneously refer to such as the Sun and a ruler like Nero.

Marcilla Smith

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Note that the word Basileus and Regulus denote rulership, as well as being tied to the Heavens, thus confirming that 666 itself can simultaneously refer to such as the Sun and a ruler like Nero.
So "666" can mean any "king"?

Also, that last post of yours, Richard, is number 66(2)6 :eek:

Richard Stanley

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So "666" can mean any "king"?
Essentially, yes. This would go towards the various so-called Sun King phenomenon.

And going towards my larger thesis, if one examines the 'landscape' around the French Sun Kings, one can also see a thinly veiled linkage back to Egypt. If memory serves me, Graham Hancock(?) detailed extensive parallels between the positioning of various Parisian monuments with that of Thebes and Luxor(?). Of course, the pre-Amarna main temples of such as Amun were aligned to the rising of the Sun.

Also, that last post of yours, Richard, is number 66(2)6 :eek:
Must be 20 times as revealing eh?

Jerry Russell

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Speaking of Bartram's Chrestians, is it possible that this scaffolding of gematria was added at a relatively late date, after the basic story line was in place?

This website, http://www.jesus8880.com, seems to go quite a few miles past Fideler in decoding gematria in the New Testament. Though it also makes me wonder if there's almost always some way to find numerical significance in any text.

Richard Stanley

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As you gnow The Bible Code used a computer to claim that all sorts of things could be found. I'm sure that one can find 1,000 unique recipes for boiling water using that technique, as well as how to care for Flipper the Dolphin .... and on to infinity.

However, as Fideler demonstrated with the subset of examples, the sacred numbers are derived from geometrical ratios found in various Forms, similar and identical to what Plato discussed. About the only thing like that which gets passed down commonly to us is the Pythagorean Theorem. If you look carefully at Fideler's book, several of these constructs are layered, and as well, they relate to the Greek's, at least, cosmology, of which the Sun was the central focus via such as Apollo et al.

The Jews were using gematria several centuries before Christian times, and they appear to have gotten it via the Greeks, but maybe via the Babylonians (where the Greeks likely got it). Maybe when Alexander stopped in at Jerusalem on the way to Egypt. It is claimed that he and the temple priests got along swell.

This reminds me of the gematria confusion I had earlier between Chrest and Christ, when the issue was really between Iesous and Jesus. The name Jesus is meaningless, and this is why the early texts spelled it Iesous. Surely all the Church fathers, that Fideler mentioned as obviously knowing the real esoteric nature would understand that the name had to be Iesous, later to be veiled by Jesus in translation. Unfortunately, my first pass through the book was too cursory and I did not grasp the full import of what he and his sources were really saying.

As Fideler says at one point (I paraphrase): 'Scholars will not acknowledge this, because they do not want to see it'. They have no eyes to see. Because they are mostly afraid for their livelihoods.

Marcilla Smith

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This is all very interesting, but if you will excuse me for boiling this down to its most essential truth, it seems to me that following from this theory, the "mark of the beast" from Revelations, then, is about coercing the Jews into using Roman money stamped with graven images

Richard Stanley

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The major focus of the four canonic gospels is the life cycle of Iesous Christos, told in slightly different fashions. We first attend to the humble birth of the new savior (yet attended by star gazing Magi), followed by his astounding the learned priests with his precocious wisdom, then his brief ministry surrounded by 12 disciples, his 'betrayal' by one of them - Judas, his being nailed to a cross, and then his resurrection and ascension to Heaven.

With the presence of the Magi, and the 12 year old's unusual wisdom the alert reader is being led to the conclusion that the story is trying to impart some form of wisdom that the sleepier audience will not pay attention to, no matter how smart they otherwise are. Besides that the gospel narratives employ Flavian propaganda and vanity, and elements of historicity, what is really being portrayed is a cosmic drama. A drama based upon a knowledge that was already centuries old, at least, by the time of Christ. And this system of understanding was part of the esoteric basis of both the Greek and Judaic cosmoviews, both having older sources in common. The bizarre visions of Ezekiel allude to phenomenon related to the Precession of the Equinoxes, and the Book of Revelation even more so.

The following excerpt is part of a larger article that details just how the Book of Revelation is such a loosely veiled treatise discussing more than one Great Year, similar to the Maya and others.

Each of the 4 beasts has 4 faces upon their body. Each body represents a Great Year (approx. 24,000 years). The 4 faces represent the 4 Ages within that Great Year, which are the 4 fixed signs of the zodiac (“without turning”). They are called “fixed” because these signs do not appear to move. The idea of four prior world creations agrees with other ancient peoples who say that the world has been destroyed and recreated many times. The Aztec and Navajo say we are in the fifth world and it could be true for them. The Maya agrees with Revelations in that we are in the fourth world and headed for the fifth. As you know, in Revelations this world is destroyed and a new heaven and a new earth appear in the heavens; all astrological.

The scroll in Ezekiel, Daniel and Revelations is Revelations itself!

The theme of Revelations is a carry-through of the visions and prophesies of Ezekiel and Daniel. They share a common thread of the four beasts and each was given a prophetic scroll. Ezekiel was told to eat the scroll, which was sweet as honey in his mouth, and to go prophesy to the house of Israel. Daniel was told to seal up his scroll till the time of the end when knowledge would be increased and people ran to and fro.

In Revelations 10:10 the writer is instructed to take a “little book” and eat it. It is sweet as honey in his mouth but turns bitter in the stomach. But it is Revelations 22:10 that demonstrates that this is indeed the same scroll of Ezekiel and Daniel; “Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near”.

Ezekiel 2:9 Then I looked, and I saw a hand stretched out to me. In it was a scroll, which he unrolled before me. On both sides of it were written words of lament and mourning and woe.

Ezekiel 3:1 Then He said to me, “Son of man, eat what you find; eat this scroll, and go, speak to the house of Israel.” 2 So I opened my mouth, and He fed me this scroll. 3 He said to me, “Son of man, feed your stomach and fill your body with this scroll which I am giving you.” Then I ate it, and it was sweet as honey in my mouth. 4 Then He said to me, “Son of man, go to the house of Israel and speak with My words to them.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, o Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book (scroll,) even to the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. Daniel 12:9 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end.

Revelations 10:10 I (John) took the little book from the angel’s hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour. Then I was told, “You must prophesy again before many peoples, nations, languages and kings.” 22:10 “Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near”.

Ages move counterclockwise though the zodiac.

The following scripture shows the similarity of Ezekiel’s vision and that of Revelations.

Ezekiel 1:5 And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had the form of men, 6: but each had four faces, and each of them had four wings. 7: … they went every one straight forward, without turning as they went. 10: As for the likeness of their faces, each had the face of a man in front; the four had the face of a lion on the right side, the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and the four had the face of an eagle at the back.

In the painting provided, the first horseman stomps a king, a bishop, and a Jewish scribe underfoot as buildings representing great societies fall in ruin around them.

In the author's discussion she has Judas (and his betrayal of Iesous) being represented in the zodiac by the eagle, Aquila, or more commonly depicted these days as 'Scorpio, who turns the light out on the Sun, Iesous. Thus, in the daily cycle evening begins, and in the yearly cycle Fall begins.

In the cycle of the year, the Sun (Iesous) dies and halts for 3 days at the winter solstice before beginning life anew and beginning its ascension to the north. In the cycle of the zodical age, the painting (from 1887) above depicts the death of kingship, and as I have discussed on other threads, this current Pope is prophesied to be the last pope. The new age cycle begins anew with 'zombies' and such.

Do we also see the final columns of the Temple of Castor and Pollux falling, which I linked to the apocalyptic announcement of the transition of the ages on 9/11/2001?

Richard Stanley

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This is all very interesting, but if you will excuse me for boiling this down to its most essential truth, it seems to me that following from this theory, the "mark of the beast" from Revelations, then, is about coercing the Jews into using Roman money stamped with graven images
I guess it depends on what your focus is at the particular time.