4/13 podcast: Special Guest Loren Hough -- Georgia Guidestones

lorenhough

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The town pictured in the plaque at McDonalds is Elberton, and it's in a similar style as this drawing of Main Street. Some of the buildings are the same, some different: the plaque has two monuments that are both located at a park on the corner of Oliver & Park, across the street from the County Magistrate Court. The plaque shows the local Baptist & Methodist church buildings, which are located two blocks away. The McD is another quarter mile down the road.
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I was the only one left in the tomb then. I sort of liked it, in a way. It was so nice and peaceful. Then, all of a sudden, you’d never guess what I saw on the wall. Another “Fuck you.” It was written with a red crayon or something, right under the glass part of the wall, under the stones, in the holy of holies. Salinger's The Catcher in the Rye.

In an episode of The Simpsons, Mr Burns hallucinates and sees talking flies saying: "Freemasons rule the world."
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Anyway, I’m sort of glad they’ve got the atomic bomb invented; If there’s ever another war, I’m going to sit right the hell on top of it. I’ll volunteer for it, I swear to God I will. See the shooting hat?,” “I shoot people in this hat.”
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on the graffiti on stones; LOL, an acronym for laughing out loud or laugh out loud, is a common element of Internet slang. It was used historically on Usenet but is now widespread in other ...

there are x on the graffiti the bull on his shirt means the X roma army
X camped on the Mount of Olives. [Caesar walk naked [with out his armor] in the olives where and when Jesus is kissed]

. According to Josephus (vol. III of his history of Judaean war) Larcius Lepidus was the commanding officer of the X Legion. The siege of Jerusalem lasted five months and the besieged population experienced all the terrible rigors of starvation. Finally, the legions succeeded in taking the city, which was then subjected to destruction.<"
 
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lorenhough

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I was the only one left in the tomb then. I sort of liked it, in a way. It was so nice and peaceful. Then, all of a sudden, you’d never guess what I saw on the wall. Another “Fuck you.” It was written with a red crayon or something, right under the glass part of the wall, under the stones, in the holy of holies. Salinger's The Catcher in the Rye.

In an episode of The Simpsons, Mr Burns hallucinates and sees talking flies saying: "Freemasons rule the world."
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Anyway, I’m sort of glad they’ve got the atomic bomb invented; If there’s ever another war, I’m going to sit right the hell on top of it. I’ll volunteer for it, I swear to God I will. See the shooting hat?,” “I shoot people in this hat.”
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on the graffiti on stones abouve; LOL, an acronym for laughing out loud or laugh out loud, is a common element of Internet slang. It was used historically on Usenet but is now widespread in other ...

X camped on the Mount of Olives. [Caesar walk naked in the olives where and when Jesus is kissed]

. According to Josephus (vol. III of his history of Judaean war) Larcius Lepidus was the commanding officer of the X Legion. The siege of Jerusalem lasted five months and the besieged population experienced all the terrible rigors of starvation. Finally, the legions succeeded in taking the city, which was then subjected to destruction.<"
2014 this comes out then the 2014 cube appears see this; imf
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Jerry Russell

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Is it possible that the oligarchs intended for 2014 to be the year they carried out their plans -- but the whole thing fizzled out? Removing the 2014 cube and smashing it symbolizes that they've changed their minds? "Jupiter Ascending" seemed to indicate the same: that the clock has been wound back, and there is not going to be any "harvest" or genocide or "culling" of the human population?
 

lorenhough

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Is it possible that the oligarchs intended for 2014 to be the year they carried out their plans -- but the whole thing fizzled out? Removing the 2014 cube and smashing it symbolizes that they've changed their minds? "Jupiter Ascending" seemed to indicate the same: that the clock has been wound back, and there is not going to be any "harvest" or genocide or "culling" of the human population?
that be wonderful; and if not; I would ask them please to rethink it over as they don't have to follow the 100 year plan. etc. hard to put the jenny back in the bottle like pu gmo bp ready round up; but that's what we need to do.

they don't follow the stars they do what they 'want' on a calendar we are just now learning

'intended' for 2014 to be the year for what? we don't know; if they got all they wanted and more; in 2014 we can guess as a start to find out;
 
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Jerry Russell

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Yes, wishful thinking on my part; or at best, a sign that some oligarchs are more friendly & optimistic than others...
 

lorenhough

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)

Great Famine (Ireland)

was there to many people in Ireland? and what did they do about it ?
what's our future? 50 million usa; world population 500 million; how soon & how?
when do you get to vote for what they say at the un?

Genocide question?

West Clare was one of the worst areas for evictions, where landlords turned thousands of families out and demolished their derisory cabins. Captain Kennedy in April 1848 estimated that 1,000 houses, with an average of six people to each, had been levelled since November.[93] The Mahon family of Strokestown House evicted 3,000 people in 1847, and were still able to dine on lobster soup.[94]

After Clare, the worst area for evictions was County Mayo, accounting for 10% of all evictions between 1849 and 1854. The Earl of Lucan, who owned over 60,000 acres (240 km2) was among the worst evicting landlords.

**He was quoted as saying 'he would not breed paupers to pay priests'.

Having turned out in the parish of Ballinrobe over 2,000 tenants alone, the cleared land he then used as grazing farms.[95] In 1848, the Marquis of Sligo owed £1,650 to Westport Union; he was also an evicting landlord, though he claimed to be selective, saying he was only getting rid of the idle and dishonest. Altogether, he cleared about 25% of his tenants.[96]

According to Litton, evictions might have taken place earlier but for fear of the secret societies. However they were now greatly weakened by the Famine. Revenge still occasionally took place, with seven landlords being shot, six fatally, during the autumn and winter of 1847. Ten other occupiers of land, though without tenants, were also murdered, she says.[97]


Ireland's Holocaust mural on the Ballymurphy Road, Belfast. "An Gorta Mór, Britain's genocide by starvation, Ireland's holocaust 1845–1849."

In 1996, Francis A. Boyle, a law professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, wrote a report commissioned by the New York-based Irish Famine/Genocide Committee, which concluded that the British government deliberately pursued a race and ethnicity-based policy aimed at destroying the group commonly known as the Irish people and that the policy of mass starvation amounted to genocide per the Hague convention of 1948.[fn 7] On the strength of Boyle's report, the US state of New Jersey included the famine in the "Holocaust and Genocide Curriculum" at the secondary tier.[fn 8] The subsequent row influenced the effort by New York to create a human rights curriculum in which lessons learned from the Irish potato famine remain relevant to famine in the modern world.[ In 1843, the British Government considered that the land question in Ireland was the root cause of disaffection in the country. They set up a Royal Commission, chaired by the Earl of Devon, to enquire into the laws regarding the occupation of land. Daniel O'Connell described this commission as "perfectly one-sided", being made up of landlords and no tenants.[15] Devon reported in February 1845 that "It would be impossible adequately to describe the privations which they [the Irish labourer and his family] habitually and silently endure ... in many districts their only food is the potato, their only beverage water ... their cabins are seldom a protection against the weather ... a bed or a blanket is a rare luxury ... and nearly in all their pig and a manure heap constitute their only property."[16] The Commissioners concluded that they could not "forbear expressing our strong sense of the patient endurance which the labouring classes have exhibited under sufferings greater, we believe, than the people of any other country in Europe have to sustain."[16

The Celtic grazing lands of... Ireland had been used to pasture cows for centuries. The British colonised... the Irish, transforming much of their countryside into an extended grazing land to raise cattle for a hungry consumer market at home... The British taste for beef had a devastating impact on the impoverished and disenfranchised people of... Ireland... pushed off the best pasture land and forced to farm smaller plots of marginal land, the Irish turned to the potato, a crop that could be grown abundantly in less favorable soil. Eventually, cows took over much of Ireland, leaving the native population virtually dependent on the potato for survival.[25]

Potato production during the Great Famine.[26] Note: years 1844, 1845, 1846, and 1848 are extrapolated.
The potato was also used extensively as a fodder crop for livestock immediately prior to the famine. Approximately 33% of production, amounting to 5,000,000 short tons (4,500,000 t), was normally used in this way.[27]

Irish food exports during Famine

Records show Irish lands exported food even during the worst years of the Famine. When Ireland had experienced a famine in 1782–83, ports were closed to keep Irish-grown food in Ireland to feed the Irish. Local food prices promptly dropped. Merchants lobbied against the export ban, but government in the 1780s overrode their protests.[76] No such export ban happened in the 1840s.[77]
 
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lorenhough

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Throughout the entire period of the Famine, Ireland was exporting enormous quantities of food. In Ireland before and after the famine, Cormac O'Grada points out, "Although the potato crop failed, the country was still producing and eIn History Ireland magazine (1997, issue 5, pp. 32–36), Christine Kinealy, a Great Hunger scholar, lecturer, and Drew University professor, relates her findings: Almost 4,000 vessels carried food from Ireland to the ports of Bristol, Glasgow, Liverpool and London during 1847, when 400,000 Irish men, women and children died of starvation and related diseases. She also writes that Irish exports of calves, livestock (except pigs), bacon and ham actually increased during the Famine. This food was shipped under British military guard from the most famine-stricken parts of Ireland; Ballina, Ballyshannon, Bantry, Dingle, Killala, Kilrush, Limerick, Sligo, Tralee and Westport. A wide variety of commodities left Ireland during 1847, including peas, beans, onions, rabbits, salmon, oysters, herring, lard, honey, tongues, animal skins, rags, shoes, soap, glue and seed.

The most shocking export figures concern butter. Butter was shipped in firkins, each one holding 9 imperial gallons; 41 litres. In the first nine months of 1847, 56,557 firkins (509,010 imperial gallons; 2,314,000 litres) were exported from Ireland to Bristol, and 34,852 firkins (313,670 imperial gallons; 1,426,000 litres) were shipped to Liverpool, which correlates with 822,681 imperial gallons (3,739,980 litres) of butter exported to England from Ireland during nine months of the worst year of the Famine.[79]

The problem in Ireland was not lack of food, which was plentiful, but the price of it, which was beyond the reach of the poor.[80]xporting more than enough grain crops to feed the population. But that was a 'money crop' and not a 'food crop' and could not be interfered with."[78]

Emigrants Leave Ireland, engraving by Henry Doyle (1827–1893), from Mary Frances Cusack's Illustrated History of Ireland, 1868.

While the famine was responsible for a significant increase in emigration from Ireland, of anywhere from 45% to nearly 85% depending on the year and the county, it was not the sole cause. Nor was it even the era when mass emigration from Ireland commenced. That can be traced to the middle of the 18th century, when some 250,000 people left Ireland over a period of 50 years to settle in the New World. From the defeat of Napoleon to the beginning of the famine, a period of 30 years, "at least 1,000,000 and possibly 1,500,000 emigrated".[101] However, during the worst of the famine, emigration reached somewhere around 250,000 in one year alone, with far more emigrants leaving from western Ireland than any other part.
A graph of the populations of Ireland [left axis] and Europe [right axis] indexed against date;

According to Peter Gray, in his book The Irish Famine, the government spent £7,000,000 for relief in Ireland between 1845 and 1850, "representing less than half of one percent of the British gross national product over five years. Contemporaries noted the sharp contrast with the 20 million pounds compensation given to West Indian slave-owners in the 1830s."[109]

Several writers single out the decision of the government to permit the continued export of food from Ireland as suggestive of the policy-makers' attitudes. Leon Uris suggested that "there was ample food within Ireland", while all the Irish-bred cattle were being shipped off to England.[147] The following exchange appeared in Act IV of George Bernard Shaw's play Man and Superman:

MALONE. He will get over it all right enough. Men thrive better on disappointments in love than on disappointments in money. I daresay you think that sordid; but I know what I'm talking about. My father died of starvation in Ireland in the black 47, Maybe you've heard of it.
VIOLET. The Famine?
MALONE. [with smouldering passion] No, the starvation. When a country is full of food, and exporting it, there can be no famine. My father was starved dead; and I was starved out to America in my mother's arms. English rule drove me and mine out of Ireland. Well, you can keep Ireland. I and my like are coming back to buy England; and we'll buy the best of it. I want no middle class properties and no middle class women for Hector. That's straightforward isn't it, like yourself?

Dennis Clark, an Irish-American historian and critic of empire, claimed that the famine was "the culmination of generations of neglect, misrule and repression. It was an epic of English colonial cruelty and inadequacy. For the landless cabin dwellers it meant emigration or extinction..."
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lorenhough

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In the 1970's they saw that the answer to proper population reduction, their master plan, lay in the idea of providing cheap oil to the world's population. Using the Green Revolution and globalization as their selling points they would get the entire world addicted to petroleum. After addicting the world to the oil, they would take it away, leaving everything to fall into chaos.

One of the things that they realized right away was that they had to get the cheap oil into every corner of the Earth for a thirty year period. They had to supply nearly the entire world with cheap oil for at least one generation for The Plan to work. If The Plan was to be successful it was necessary to have the entire population of the Earth totally dependent on oil for at least a thirty year period. The older generation, the one that still knew how to till the soil using the ancient methods, had to die away. People had to forget how to grow their own food without oil.

This is why the Rockefeller's and the Trilateralists (who came together in the early 1970's) financed the Green Revolution which taught people all over the world to abandon their old farming practices and trade them in for a farming method based one hundred percent on oil.

We have been cut off from the knowledge that our ancestors, only one or two generations ago, had from day one. We simply have forgotten how to feed ourselves. [ my grandfather brothers son was in japan with his family teaching farmer usa farming for 30 years. LH]

Without cheap oil there will be no cheap food.

The idea for the Plan isn't all that new. It was born long ago with the writings of Thomas Malthus. His ideas were taken up eagerly by the British aristocratic class.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthus.

Malthus worked for the East India Trading Company in the early 1800's and he had traveled the world. One of his hobbies was examining populations and understanding population growth. Malthus had done the figures and things just didn't add up. Eventually, according to his figures, there would be too many people. This fact would trigger massive famines that would wipe out most of the Earth's population.

This wasn't prophecy, it was science.

Everyone over the age of 50 remembers the best selling book The Population Bomb by Paul Elrich. Elrich was a follower of Malthus and he managed to scare the hell out of the entire Baby Boomer generation.

Due mostly to Elrich's influence many of the people, who came of age in the 1970's, voluntarily agreed to cut their numbers by having less, or in many cases, no children.

In that book from the 1970's Elrich predicted that overpopulation would bring on a famine that would destroy most of the world's populations. This famine would start, he said, sometimes in the late 1970's, and by the late 1980's, there would be hardly anyone left.

Just a few years later, in 1980, after Paul Elrich's book The Population Bomb was published a strange monument was built in the small town of Elberton, Georgia called the George Guidestones, which seemed to address some of the same issues that Elrich was dealing with in his book. The Georgia Guidestones are truly a bizarre and haunting construct.

As in the Ten Bill of Rights to the US Constitution and the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament, the first Right, or Commandment, is the most important of the ten. That is why it is first.

Both the Bill of Rights and the Ten Commandments are similar in that the last nine are there largely to enforce the first law or Right. In the US Constitution the primary freedom is the right to press, speech and religion. The other Rights are there to support that very important first Right.

With the Georgia Guidestones the same rule applies. The last nine Commandments appear to only go into effect after Commandment Number One is completed. If one were following the logic implied, then the world ruled by reason, which the last nine commandments appear to be describing, can only occur when eleven out of twelve people currently alive on the planet die away.


the old professor from Berkeley ca wes's old friend in the barn in ks land int. world bank said; in the 1990's

the best plan is for the number of people on the earth is ?

500 million in the world people just like the gg stones but more details!

50milion in north America

50 million in EU

50 million Russia

50 million Africa

50 million china

50 million India

50 million in south America

etc.

did you here that joe? that what he said; my friends
I was all for it till I found out the were in a hurry and doing thing they shouldn't to get to the 5oo m not just asking for volunteers.

Loren
 
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lorenhough

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those that have ears to hear lend me a ear;
Interview with Chris Harris, former licensed Senior Reactor Operator & engineer, Apr 23, 2015, starting at 15:15 in (emphasis added):

  • Question: “Do you agree that this is, essentially — if it runs the next 20 years without anything happening — basically an extinction event for a good part of the human race and higher life forms?”
Nuclear Engineer: I agree Fukushima can be ‘extinction event’ for the north pacific ocean; It’s a myth that disaster is being contained — Nuclear Expert: Radioactive material has “contaminated much of Pacific Coast of North America… Negative impacts of the accident have spread throughout world” (VIDEO)
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Great info Loren. We are facing a group that has a genocide in mind - the F U in Catcher in the Rye - and control over the goverments and media.

We need DNA testing of the oligarchs and their media stooges ASAP because only this will alert the public what is happening.
 

Jerry Russell

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Loren & Joe,

I don't want to underestimate the importance of Fukushima. It's bad news for Japan and bad news for the ocean. And if this isn't enough bad news, just wait until the other 2,500 nuclear plants in the Northern Hemisphere all melt down, one after another.

But I listened to the Harris interview and I didn't hear Harris agree that Fukushima was the 'Extinction Event'. Deagle said that as the interviewer, but Harris didn't exactly go there: he wanted to talk technology, not biological effects.

The posts from EN News are all old except #5, and that one is pretty typical of ENE News. Very dramatic headline, but the "Professor" they are quoting actually considers that the radiological risk is very minimal. Follow the link, read what it says, and see for yourself. Seven becquerels per cubic meter of ocean water is a minuscule amount of radiation, at the very bottom limit of detectability. A while ago, Loren posted some information about radiation detected in kelp that was a bit higher, but not so high as to account for sudden death of fish populations.

We need an explanation for what is killing off the Pacific Ocean -- and it might be radiation, but I just don't see the evidence. I still think the problem is more likely to be one of several other stresses that I've discussed here.

I can't claim to know all the answers, but I refuse to be bamboozled into believing something where the evidence doesn't support it.

We need DNA testing of the oligarchs and their media stooges ASAP because only this will alert the public what is happening.

I'm all for DNA data, Joe. But:

(1) If the DNA shows that the oligarchs are a random sampling of the planet's population, nothing at all special about them: would that somehow make it OK what they're doing?? I don't think so. The problem is with their behavior!! DNA might help to explain the reasons why. Or, it might not.

(2) If we had this information, how would we then alert the public? The oligarchs would still control the mass media.
 

lorenhough

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Loren & Joe,

I don't want to underestimate the importance of Fukushima. It's bad news for Japan and bad news for the ocean. And if this isn't enough bad news, just wait until the other 2,500 nuclear plants in the Northern Hemisphere all melt down, one after another.
I can't claim to know all the answers, but I refuse to be .bamboozled. into believing something where the evidence doesn't support it.


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bamboozle
fool or cheat (someone):
"Tom Sawyer bamboozled the neighborhood boys into doing it for him"
synonyms

who is fooling who

if I am wrong what will happen ?

if you are wrong what does that mean?

you say they have found some radiation form fukshima! but is small ? I say its here & pu is nothing like you have ever seen. so eat your fish no radiation will not build up in u its all ok cant see it cant smell it and they would tell ya if it not ok right? . I say don't eat the fish and seed weed etc; from the north pacific ; good luck

you say know one knows what's killing the life on the land birds etc. and sea starfish etc. but you know we don't know that's it fukshima? so your saying you don't know right so you don't know and you eat the fish? knowing it might have some pu? u said its here

you are right Many of 100 United States nuclear power plants, are sitting on earthquake zones, hurricane zones, flood zones, tornado zones, And open to terrorism: sitting ducks

This is a very excellent documentary. Be sure and take notes. Here you will find that 9 million children have died from the Russian accident.
That United States has 4 to 5 times more spent fuel pool rods at each reactor then at Fukushima!
One dime of spent fuel would contaminate the entire Goldengate Park.
If a earthquake at the reservoir at Hanford Washington happened, would create a fuel pool fire that would make Japan look small.
8 hours after the earthquake hit Fukushima, unit 1 started to melt down, and much more.

At the end The documentary talks about solar power! How the future could be a bright if we got rid of all nuclear power plants, buried the waste and connected to the sun! This is a must see. LH

http://youtu.be/JrZZNzC3f8g

"Buckyballs" Uranyl peroxide enhanced nuclear fuel corrosion in seawater: Weaponizes nano radioactive hot particles so they more readily float in the air and Ocean and travel farther.

Gov’t Investigator: Acute hemorrhaging found in dead owls along west coast — Mortality event began 8 months after Fukushima explosions — “In very poor condition… badly emaciated”

“Truly Frightening”: Doctors being threatened for linking illnesses to Fukushima — Strange tumors, kids dying, pets dying — Much higher incidences of whole range of health problems

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/04/RIR-150422.php
Patrick Wood - Hour 1 - Technocracy Rising April 22, 2015 Patrick Wood is an author and lecturer who has studied elite globalization policies since the late 1970's, when he partnered with the late Antony C. Sutton to coauthor Trilaterals Over Washington. Patrick is with us to introduce his latest book, Technocracy Rising: The Trojan Horse of Global Transformation
 
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Hi Loren,

I agree with the story you linked indicating increased birth defects, strange tumors & other health problems in Japan. I would think that's completely expected for neighbors to the disaster in Japan. And I also wouldn't deny that some plumes of radioactivity made it to America and are causing some localized problems here too. What I'm questioning, is whether it's really true that the entire Pacific Ocean has been poisoned to the point where everything is dying.

Do you know anything about this person "connectingthedots"? He seems to have made a youtube career out of debunking Dana Durnford, radchick, msMilky, etc. He says he lives in Vancouver BC, not so far from Durnford's home base, and he doesn't see nearly the radical changes in the Pacific that Durnford sees. His playlist is here:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZubMnqJoIJX6pDTGr8eanMBKEWsr5LpB

Who's right in this pissing contest between Durnford & ctd? I'd have to guess that the truth is somewhere in the middle -- big problems in the ocean, but not 99.9% death.

So what's causing the problem, if not Fukushima? Here's another theory for your consideration: Ocean Acidification

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification

Or, from Chris Martenson's "Peak Prosperity" website (hidden behind paywall, excerpted per fair use):

http://www.peakprosperity.com/insider/92351/ocean-acidification-ecological-nightmare

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The oceans are facing numerous difficulties including pollution (especially from farm run off), over-fishing, and dragnet methods that ruin innumerable other things besides the targeted catch -- but all of that pales in comparison to the problem of ocean acidification.

The process is easy enough to understand. Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere can dissolve into ocean water. The more CO2 in the air, the more that ends up dissolved in the seas. As CO2 in the ocean water rises so too does the formation of carbonic acid -- linearly and proportionally -- and that acidifies the ocean.

CO2 --> carbonic acid --> Ocean acidification.

The problem with acidifying oceans is that the small creatures on the bottom of the food chain, as well as corals and the more familiar oysters and clams, typically build a house of calcium carbonate to shelter them. As the ocean acidifies, they cannot build their homes. They have a harder time generating energy via metabolic processes, and they become stressed and die off in greater than normal numbers.

[...]

As the bottom of the food chain gets wiped out, either due to acidification or over-fishing, we see larger species begin to get wiped out, too.

A prime example: the loss of sardines in the Pacific is a major fisheries management fiasco. It's wiping out everything higher on up the food chain including pelican counts, sea lions, salmon, dolphin, and all manner of sea birds and larger marine life.​
 

lorenhough

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Great info Loren. We are facing a group that has a genocide in mind - the F U in Catcher in the Rye - and control over the goverments and media.

We need DNA testing of the oligarchs and their media stooges ASAP because only this will alert the public what is happening.
thanks Joe
so here is the rest of the story;
the old professor from Berkeley ca wes's old friend in the barn in ks land int. world bank said; in the 1990's

he said; the best plan is for the number of people on the earth is;

500 million in the world people just like the gg stones but more details! 50 mil usa
etc.
*so the old man the professor said; there are to many people and the problems will start to show etc etc. like a train to heavy on the rail road tack hurting the track

so I asked from the back of the barn when will there be to many people and how will we know ?

*he said when the price of beef goes up will be the start and that in 50 years from now the world will have to many people by his definition the breaking point on the earth . if unchecked. not enough food etc. and to many people then would hurt the earth to feed the people like the train on the track.

50 years joe they want to check it; foot on the brake; a 1984 foot; lighten the train for the brave new world;

I agree with you. dna testing and etc. &
what ever how ever one person at a time or a 1000 keep informing us as I have learned so much from you like learning how to fish. and that was not in school!
how important is learning? like learning to fly you want to learn what it takes to stay alive as I did at 17 on the old poe air base near my home; the same where one man one plane one world toke off and landed. I touched that plane and you have touched the world with your books and insights that will last a 1000 years; helping all to be on the right track
 
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lorenhough

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Hi Loren,

I agree with the story you linked indicating increased birth defects, strange tumors & other health problems in Japan. I would think that's completely expected for neighbors to the disaster in Japan. And I also wouldn't deny that some plumes of radioactivity made it to America and are causing some localized problems here too. What I'm questioning, is whether it's really true that the entire Pacific Ocean has been poisoned to the point where everything is dying.

Do you know anything about this person "connectingthedots"? He seems to have made a youtube career out of debunking Dana Durnford, radchick, msMilky, etc. He says he lives in Vancouver BC, not so far from Durnford's home base, and he doesn't see nearly the radical changes in the Pacific that Durnford sees. His playlist is here:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZubMnqJoIJX6pDTGr8eanMBKEWsr5LpB

Who's right in this pissing contest between Durnford & ctd? I'd have to guess that the truth is somewhere in the middle -- big problems in the ocean, but not 99.9% death.

So what's causing the problem, if not Fukushima? Here's another theory for your consideration: Ocean Acidification

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification

Or, from Chris Martenson's "Peak Prosperity" website (hidden behind paywall, excerpted per fair use):

http://www.peakprosperity.com/insider/92351/ocean-acidification-ecological-nightmare

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The oceans are facing numerous difficulties including pollution (especially from farm run off), over-fishing, and dragnet methods that ruin innumerable other things besides the targeted catch -- but all of that pales in comparison to the problem of ocean acidification.

The process is easy enough to understand. Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere can dissolve into ocean water. The more CO2 in the air, the more that ends up dissolved in the seas. As CO2 in the ocean water rises so too does the formation of carbonic acid -- linearly and proportionally -- and that acidifies the ocean.

CO2 --> carbonic acid --> Ocean acidification.

The problem with acidifying oceans is that the small creatures on the bottom of the food chain, as well as corals and the more familiar oysters and clams, typically build a house of calcium carbonate to shelter them. As the ocean acidifies, they cannot build their homes. They have a harder time generating energy via metabolic processes, and they become stressed and die off in greater than normal numbers.

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As the bottom of the food chain gets wiped out, either due to acidification or over-fishing, we see larger species begin to get wiped out, too.

A prime example: the loss of sardines in the Pacific is a major fisheries management fiasco. It's wiping out everything higher on up the food chain including pelican counts, sea lions, salmon, dolphin, and all manner of sea birds and larger marine life.​
all you said does not explain the timing; and location

jerry what would it look like if there was enough Bucky balls in the ocean to do what I am saying just for fun how would it look if there was a mass amount in the water? what would the effects be what would you see?

and why is the acid on the west coast of usa and not in Spain ?

I M NOT saying the north pacific is dead I am saying its dying and it will take 10 years for it to get back to japan and it does not seem to be getting better for the last 4 years! only worse.

sorry you don't know much about dana and his stuff as I can see I watch his stuff for a year everyday and u look for how long? and tell me what? ok ?

usaid but all of that pales in comparison to the problem of ocean acidification.
anthropogenic CO2?
co2, the impacts being most severe for coral reefs and the Southern Ocean???? how do you explain this? I don't under stand; --why there where so few people are?

as u say The process is 'easy' enough to understand. Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere can dissolve into ocean water. The more CO2 in the air, the more that ends up dissolved in the seas. As CO2 in the ocean water rises so too does the formation of carbonic acid -- linearly and proportionally -- and that acidifies the ocean.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification

u said in your strange way Who's right in this 'pissing' contest between Durnford & ctd? u forgot mag gen burt s the 3rd. hellen C and a lot more dr. etc funny u pick just them o well dana is my friend don't know any thing about ctd. dana is my hero and he is not pissing on any one and this is not a contest this is for real ok not a game as you would make it!

its cows tooting and me and you breathing out co2 that's killing the starfish who is fooling who? is there acid in the lakes? still or was that fixed I am confused how bad is co2 and where does it go in the ocean or in the sky? and does temperature of the ocean have any thing to do with it? and does the sun? I wish it was co2 but as they say they don't know and so do you.

here some one who says he knows; lets make fun of him as he is just pissen in the wind? General Bert is a graduate of the U.S. Military Academy (West Point, class of 52) who enjoyed a distinguished 32 year career in the U.S. Army. He retired as the Commanding General of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM). Prior to this assignment he commanded the US Army Electronics Research and Development Command (ERADCOM).

Maj. Gen. Burt Stubbleine III talks about radiation in the northern hemisphere and Fukushima: Urgent Warning: Fukushima Estimate of Situation! He and his wife moved to the Southern Hemisphere.

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Who is Maj. Gen. Burt Stubblebine III? General Bert is a graduate of West Point, 32 year career in the U.S. Army. He retired as the Commanding General of the United States Army Intelligence:


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Jerry Russell

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Hi Loren,

How do you know there is no problem with ocean acidification in Spain?

Stubblebine's most dire warnings are related to what might happen if the contents of spent fuel containers at Fukushima are ruptured. I'm not sure he has much to say about the status of fish in the Pacific Ocean.

Remember when you posted this video in which Dana Durnford pukes all over Ian Goddard's opinions about radiation?

I found Goddard's work to be careful & thoughtful and didn't deserve this sort of treatment. So now I find out that this other guy, connectingdots, has posted dozens of videos calling Durnford a liar or worse. Connectingdots says Durnford is lying when he says the pacific ocean is dead. So is it dead or not?

I M NOT saying the north pacific is dead I am saying its dying

But here, Durnford says the pacific is already dead:


with the headline:

HORROR " Pacific Ocean Now Dead From Fukushima Radiation "

So how accurate is Durnford's headline?

Sorry, Loren, but I feel that "pissing contest" is an appropriate way to describe what's going on here.

its cows tooting and me and you breathing out co2 that's killing the starfish who is fooling who?

Cows tooting? Really? Isn't this what you would call a "straw man"?
 

lorenhough

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Hi Loren,

How do you know there is no problem with ocean acidification in Spain?

Stubblebine's most dire warnings are related to what might happen if the contents of spent fuel containers at Fukushima are ruptured. I'm not sure he has much to say about the status of fish in the Pacific Ocean.





Cows tooting? Really? Isn't this what you would call a "straw man"?

if u take dana out of context you will not understand this great man! I though I took that video down righ after put it up; thinking it would be out of context yet out all the stuff I do put up u show that. so sorry it got pigeon holed.

usaid but all of that pales in comparison to the problem of ocean acidification. and loss of reef prove it?
anthropogenic CO2?
wiki says co2, the impacts being most severe for coral reefs and the Southern Ocean?? how do you explain this? I don't under stand; --why there where so few people are? is that where the co2 is?
do u say cows don't toot bad co2 but un says so.

jerry said; Stubblebine's most dire warnings are related to what might happen if the contents of spent fuel containers at Fukushima are ruptured. I'm not sure he has much to say about the status of fish in the Pacific Ocean.
and what does mag gen burt the 3rd say now days? go south
Genocide Is Here, The Ongoing Fukushima & Chem Trail ...
www.thevinnyeastwoodshow.com/2014-archives/genocide-is-here
General Albert Stubblebine & Dr Rima Laibow

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Top US Nuclear Physicist: “Iodine-131 will be lethal after ingestion of 30 billionths of a gram” — Main worry is not a Chernobyl-type accident, rather it’s a melt-through of containment vessel — “Not possible to disprove China Syndrome”

AP: Melted fuel may have “dropped even beyond” the bottom of Fukushima plant — ‘China Syndrome’ predicted by US gov’t analysis — IAEA Expert: Pools of corium beneath reactors are up to 2 stories high.

Fukushima had “meltdown, melt-through, & melt-out within days of quake” — US Gov’t: Analysis says containment vessel fails after fuel melts through barrier — Experts: Corium may have melted out to reactor building, prepare for radiation doses over 200,000,000 microsieverts/hour
US gov’t analysis says Fukushima is more serious than ‘China Syndrome’ — Destroyed reactors suffered worst type of containment failure.

Senior Scientist: Fukushima reactors like Swiss cheese; No one knows how far melted nuclear fuel has spread — Newspaper: Highly radioactive water thought to be coming up from ground and directly into open ocean, bypassing plant’s bay; ‘Other substances’ making contamination more serious

Nuclear Expert: Fukushima fuel suspected to be in ground… “it’s going to melt right down into the ground” when heat isn’t removed, that’s why these are so dangerous — Physician: “3 of Fukushima’s reactors melted through containment… the crisis is clearly ongoing” (VIDEO)

Journal: “Fukushima has an Ongoing Melt-Out” — “Is this not the worst possible outcome?” — “Nuclear fuel mixing with groundwater and leaking into sea” — “Disaster never seen in human history and imagined only in movies” —
Caldicott: All of Japan contaminated by Fukushima — “Realistic estimate is 60,000 km², occupied by 46 million people” — “Things are grim, it gets worse by the day” — Unheard of in history, 100s of tons of melted fuel may be in earth

Japanese TV: Fukushima fuel cores have ‘molten-through’ containment vessels — Location of molten fuels is unknown — “Risk of re-criticallity” from filling vessels with water

PBS: Engineers believe Fukushima’s nuclear fuel melted right through the containment vessels, where it’s contacting ground water — Expert: The fuel “melted down into ground”
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did any radiation get to Spain? are you seeing the same things in Spain that we see for the last years on the ca west coast? bc. mex. etc. ?? as u say ca is like spain?

Is it true gov safe limits have gone up ? for radiation ? which limit r u using?
U.S. Gov’t-funded Study: West Coast and Hawaii residents are Fukushima downwinders — Effects of this radiation exposure expected to be ‘beneficial’??

April 2nd, 2014 |
Award-winning project finds seafood sold in Canada with high radiation levels — Many samples well over contamination limit — “Incredible discovery; Something unexpected may be lurking in Canadian waters” — Believes dangerous Fukushima pollution carried across ocean — “I hope people will open their eyes”

Governments Worldwide Raise Acceptable Radiation Levels ...

www.infowars.com/governments...raise-acceptable-radiation-levels...
Instead of protecting people, governments cover up by raisingsaferadiation levels – based on politics, not science. Washington’s Blog

Governments Worldwide Raise Acceptable Radiation Levels ...
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Jan 24, 2012 · ... Governments Cover Up by Raising "Safe" Radiation Levels. Skip ... Raise Acceptable Radiation Levels Based ... to put an end to government ...

TEPCO admits deliberately using radiation detectors that ...

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... detectors? ... the government is going to turn off the radiation ...
Canada Busted Covering Up Spikes In Fukushima Radiation ...
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcm...13-more-us-cities-cesium-137-in-vermont-milk/


jerry just talking [very important subject] and I thank u to get me to tell the story better wishing u well.
 
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Jerry Russell

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Hi Loren,

Thanks for the good wishes.

Yes, some analysts say that huge herds of feedlot cattle do contribute to anthropogenic CO2. I wouldn't question that it's true, but on the other hand, I'd argue that combustion of coal, oil and natural gas is a far bigger source of atmospheric carbon.

The status of ocean life in the various parts of the world must be a very complex topic. I'm not convinced that there's anyone doing comprehensive surveys. Dana Durnford is out on his little boat looking around, "connectingdots" is visiting the harbor in Vancouver, various fishermen are reporting back on what their boats are finding, and somebody at Wikipedia has quoted an article by somebody else who was poking around at the coral reefs in the south seas, and thought they saw bad effects of ocean acidification.

All of this information is troubling, yet at the same time there are obviously huge commercial interests involved. "Connecting dots" complains that Dana D is asking for money to keep his raft afloat, but I'd rather see him get funding from local sources, than have him try to get money from Exxon. Koch bros, oil companies etc. give huge amounts of money to AGW (anthropogenic global warming) opponents; see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial . Are they also trying to suppress the story of ocean acidification caused by CO2 emissions? Seems possible. Are nuclear energy advocates and other globalists financing AGW advocates? Yes, of course they are: claims of "scientific consensus" are bogus.

So what is killing wildlife in the oceans? Fukushima radiation, acidification, temperature change, over-fishing, massive quantities of plastic debris? Probably all these factors are important, and maybe more problems we don't know about.
 

lorenhough

Well-Known Member
Hi Loren,

Thanks for the good wishes.

Yes, some analysts say that huge herds of feedlot cattle do contribute to anthropogenic CO2. I wouldn't question that it's true, but on the other hand, I'd argue that combustion of coal, oil and natural gas is a far bigger source of atmospheric carbon.

The status of ocean life in the various parts of the world must be a very complex topic. I'm not convinced that there's anyone doing comprehensive surveys. Dana Durnford is out on his little boat looking around, "connectingdots" is visiting the harbor in Vancouver, various fishermen are reporting back on what their boats are finding, and somebody at Wikipedia has quoted an article by somebody else who was poking around at the coral reefs in the south seas, and thought they saw bad effects of ocean acidification.

All of this information is troubling, yet at the same time there are obviously huge commercial interests involved. "Connecting dots" complains that Dana D is asking for money to keep his raft afloat, but I'd rather see him get funding from local sources, than have him try to get money from Exxon. Koch bros, oil companies etc. give huge amounts of money to AGW (anthropogenic global warming) opponents; see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial . Are they also trying to suppress the story of ocean acidification caused by CO2 emissions? Seems possible. Are nuclear energy advocates and other globalists financing AGW advocates? Yes, of course they are: claims of "scientific consensus" are bogus.

So what is killing wildlife in the oceans? Fukushima radiation, acidification, temperature change, over-fishing, massive quantities of plastic debris? Probably all these factors are important, and maybe more problems we don't know about.
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Did you know this? Do you really know enough to talk on this subject? How many spent fuel pools blew up and caught on fire and how much was in those pools?
If not why? How many nuclear waste 55 gallon drum's were dumped off the coast of California of radioactive waste. You say it's plastic co2 I say it's P u!
Japan Nuke Agency: 14 reactors at 4 sites were affected on 3/11 — Fukushima Daiichi had most serious damage — Daini, Onagawa, and Tokai also
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disposal of radioactive waste

From 1946 through 1993, thirteen countries (fourteen, if the USSR and Russia are considered separately) used ocean disposal or ocean dumping as a method to dispose of nuclear/radioactive waste. The waste materials included both liquids and solids housed in various containers, as well as reactor vessels, with and without spent or damaged nuclear fuel.[1] Since 1993, ocean disposal has been banned by international treaties. (London Convention (1972), Basel Convention, MARPOL 73/78)

However, according to the United Nations, some companies have been dumping radioactive waste and other hazardous materials into the coastal waters of Somalia, taking advantage of the fact that the country had no functioning government from the early 1990s onwards. According to one official at the United Nations, this caused health problems for locals in the coastal region and posed a significant danger to Somalia's fishing industry and local marine life.[2]

"Ocean floor disposal" (or sub-seabed disposal)—a more deliberate method of delivering radioactive waste to the ocean floor and depositing it into the seabed—was studied by the UK and Sweden, but never implemented[3]




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